No evidence commanders lied over 9/11: report

[Omaha Steve]

No evidence commanders lied over 9/11: report
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Aug 5, 7:31 AM (ET)




NEW YORK (Reuters) - There is no evidence that senior Pentagon commanders intentionally provided false testimony to about the military's actions on the morning of the September 11 attacks, according to a report by the Defense Department's watchdog agency cited in the New York Times on Saturday.

The Pentagon's office of inspector general said the Defense Department's initial inaccurate accounts could be attributed largely to poor record-keeping, the newspaper said in an article on its Web site, citing the newly released report.

In a report dated May 27, 2005, but not released until Friday, the inspector general's office found that "the inaccuracies, in part, resulted because of inadequate forensic capabilities," including poor log-keeping at military air traffic control centers, the newspaper said.

The report was initially classified secret but was released under a freedom-of-information request by the Times. What amounted to several pages' worth were blacked out on national security grounds, the newspaper said.


Gen. Ralph Eberhart, Commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is shown gesturing during the final day of hearings of the 9/11 Commission, in Washington, in this June 17, 2004 file photo. There is no evidence that senior Pentagon commanders intentionally provided false testimony to about the military's actions on the morning of the September 11 attacks, according to a report by the Defense Department's watchdog agency cited in the New York Times on Saturday. REUTERS/Shaun Heasley

[Olney Blue]

1. No trust in our government anymore.

Why should we even have to wonder about this?

[JuniperLea]

2. no evidence they intentionally provided false testimony

Ok, so either it was accidental, or they parroted something they were told by their superiors to say, knowing it didn't mesh with what they themselves knew.

[Oversea Visitor]

6. Or no evidentnce that they did either

Why so much smoke
Is there a fire somewhere.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. How many times do I have to tell you?

We at the DOD keep records alphabetically, AND by genre. Classical goes there, Blues, there, Jazz and showtunes over there.
Geez. Record-keeping is easy, for gawd's sake.




OK, so what we have here is a DOD group inspecting the DOD with orders to find nothing wrong in the DOD about the DOD performance on 9/11 and also to find nothing wrong about DOD's cooperation, evidence and testimony about 9/11.

Despite what the 9/11 commission found.

[LiberalHeart]

41. I knew of a woman who was a secretary; she filed everything under T

The electric company
The plumber
The payroll
etc.

[Felinity]

4. WTF?

"'resulted because of inadequate forensic capabilities,' including poor log-keeping at military air traffic control centers"

I feel so much better now that I know our military isn't up to record keeping competency. Thank God we're so much better at fighting interminable wars.

Who among us does not remember exactly where we were, what we heard and saw, and what we did on 9/11/01?

Anybody?

[Corgigal]

32. poor log-keeping at military air traffic control centers

Lie number one. It's the tapes that record the time. Logs are nice but when you're busy you can always go back and check the tape and time to update them.

But I wouldn't know it's just that I use to change the tapes in a military control airport for 5 years. All the audiotapes are time stamped.

[frylock]

37. that's nice to know..

thanks for the info.

[warrior1]

5. So, they're just

stupid and incompetent.

[gademocrat7]

7. Yes they are stupid, incompetent, lazy and arrogant.

[OKthatsIT]

59. spoonfed BS...their just lying their asses off ...too bad America

SUCKERS! (says The Joint)

[SpiralHawk]

11. DOD - had an hour's warning on 9/11 and couldn't muster a pea shooter

to defend themselves or the capital city of the United States of America.

Incompetent? No, pathetic.

That what you get with an AWOL cheerleader posing as commander in chief, and Dick Five Military Deferments Cheney pretending to be VP.

What a bunch of republicons*


* lying incompetent cronies.

[0007]

21. ....but...but....but ..... they have torturing down to a science.

[cspanlovr]

8. They're blaming the file clerks? What he-men they are. What is

going on?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Rummie's DOD wrote this report?

Oh get, nobody INTENTIONALLY provided False Testimony. In other words, the DOD did provide False Testimony, but they didn't do it intentionally. Then what did they do? Are they just so use to lying that they can't help themselves?

[Robb]

10. No kidding

...At what point will the populace stop accepting "Whoops" as an explanation?

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Oh gosh, by golly

Goodness me.

The act is getting old.

[davekriss]

27. That's the amazing thing....

...a Regime and military that purportedly have committed competency error after error, not a single official has been reprimanded, not one forced to resign. The Official Story, aka the Incomptence Theory, in my mind is just as much suspect as the other two. But put the events of the day aside (9-11), it's the cover up where they'll eventually be caught.

[go west young man]

56. Nice rhetorical questioning of oneself....

in true Rummy style!

[mallard]

13. Re: these are not the droids you're looking for...

... just move along.

[Ilsa]

23. LOL Very good. Love it! nt

[tanyev]

14. OK, how about we start with some criminal negligence charges

and investigations and see where that leads, hmmmm?

[gratuitous]

15. Okay, so we provided false information

"But you can't prove that we meant to do it, so it wasn't a lie, okay? And it wasn't really our fault we gave you false or misleading information, the military just isn't very good at keeping records, see? And there's really no reason we should have to clean up our act, because, uh, it's classified. Yeah, national security."

Now, imagine you were talking to your teen-ager, who came stumbling home at 2 a.m., reeking of God-knows-what. Certainly a lesser offense than the total ineptitude shown by our nation's military on that horrible day, but serious to you nevertheless. Or course you wouldn't accept that kind of behavior or that explanation from your kid; why do we hold our government and military leaders to a lower standard?

[MrPrax]

20. That's what I read...

They are stating that the testimony was false, but they have a good excuse.

Well let a Court decide whether this is a 'good' excuse...they shouldn't have any problem proving the chain of events that lead to specious statements under oath, now they KNOW, their records are inaccurate--they can account for those inaccuracies and then revise their statements and finally give the American people an account of what happened that day, no?

[Peace Patriot]

60. Didn't they just drag some poor sod Vietnam war desserter in, a couple

a months ago, and charge him and put him in jail, and it's been THIRTY YEARS?! Tell me the Pentagon doesn't keep good records!

[leesa]

16. No enidence except 7 different stories form them. Even a first year

criminal prosecuter could wrap up a trial against these traitors for 9-11 conspiracy. Will no one even try?

[NV Whino]

17. Wow! That must explain

the trillions of dollars missing, too--poor record keeping.

"Gee, Unca Sam, I didn't know I owed that much money. I guess I just don't keep very good records." Think it would work?

[neverforget]

18. The Blue Ribbon Whitewash continues.......

[stepnw1f]

19. Regarding the Photo

Sir, take that pen of yours and stick it up your lying ass. You are in no position of authority anymore, for you forfeit that authority by being irresponsible for your actions and inactions. You have lost all credibility and therefore you are in no way fit for such a position.

[bluedeminredstate]

22. The DOD's Inspector General,

if I remember this correctly is a woman who is a party hack/mouthpiece and there was a mini-scandal when she was chosen for the job. Her ability to be impartial was questioned as well as her desire to hold the Pentagon accountable for their activities
that were *cough* immoral/illegal/unconstitutional/etc.
I believe she still holds the job so this would be her handiwork - exactly what those who didn't want her in that position were afraid of.

[Generator]

24. No evidence

That's what the lawyer for the guilty guy says, there is no evidence to prove my client is guilty. It doesn't mean innocence. It means no evidence. I guess like Rove. And why is there no evidence? They aren't that dumb! Poor record keeping-uh huh. Yeah, that's it.

[Ilsa]

25. Well, it's a good thing the Pentagon has been cleared ..

by... the... Pent..a..gon..

Oh, nevermind.

[earth mom]

35. The Pentagon has cleared the Pentagon?! My, how convenient...FOR THEM!

:puke:

[Junkdrawer]

26. And all you conspiracy theorists thought they were covering up...

those inexplicable military exercises. Perish the thought.

[flyarm]

28. well read this!!

New Book on 9/11 Probe Says Panel Backed Off Grilling Giuliani Due to Editorials



http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di ...

"It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani," Kean and Hamilton said....



seems it didn't matter to the 9/11 commissioners what the families said or cared about..when the hearing was on and Giuliani was on the witness stand the famlies were screaming calling Giuliani a liar and demanding the commissioners question him under oath and ask the real questions..numerous family members were escorted out of the hearings!
but heaven forbid the commissioners didn't want to get "bad press!" for doing the job they were tasked to do!

fly

[screembloodymurder]

30. The press was waging a propaganda campaign against

seeking the truth and these two couldn't stand the critism. What patriots. They should be tried for lack of balls.

[screembloodymurder]

29. Imagine that.

And here I thought the Pentagon might try to protect their own. Apparently it took our protectors, the Pentagon, a few years to get their records straight. I feel so secure.

[antonialee839]

31. Thank goodness the Bush Crime Family cleared that up.

[flyarm]

33. and i say to this article..BULLSHIT!!!!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!!!! BULLSHIT! N/T

[Vidar]

34. Be nice to have a gig investigating ourselves

[savemefromdumbya]

36. Evidence buried deep and Bush promoted the perpetrators

[SutaUvaca]

38. And next month's report will declare

"there's no evidence that we lied when we said last month that there was no evidence that we lied."

[JerseygirlCT]

39. Well, gee, I'm relieved to read that. How about you? nt

[Rex]

40. So Senators just made up the whole thing, got together and came up

with some bullshit? So if I am feed misinformation and then tell Congress, not knowing it was bogus then everything is okay and we all go on like nothing happen?

So the guy who said, 'the real story is better than the one we told' was just a fake and no one ever said that? Ever? Sounds like a whole lot of bullshit going on. Of course the M$M will try and block this story from becoming big.

[LiberalHeart]

42. DOD Watchdog Agency Finds No Evidence of Intentional Deception About 9-11

WASHINGTON (AP) -- There is no evidence defense officials intentionally misled the September 11 commission when they gave mistaken accounts about actions at the time of the terror attacks, the Pentagon's watchdog agency said. Poor investigating and record keeping contributed to the inaccuracies, according to a summary from the inspector general's office of the Pentagon.

The Defense Department inspector general has not yet publicly released the full report on the military's testimony to the commission, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Brian Maka said Saturday.

More:
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=5244836

[burythehatchet]

43. Now I can sleep comfortably

:rofl:

[LiberalHeart]

44. Yeah. I'm sure glad they cleared this up for us. Quick, call the widows!

[savemefromdumbya]

46. they're not going to take this!

[savemefromdumbya]

45. what sort of watchdog was this?

certainly no Rottweiler

[LiberalHeart]

47. Probably the same one that killed Elvis's teddy bear.

[mom cat]

48. My oh my. ... That was quick! ... Real thorough study I take it!

[savemefromdumbya]

49. A watchdog with a gun to its head

[mom cat]

52. Bingo!

[Peace Patriot]

50. We have yet to figure out WHY NOW--after all that funny business the

other day (Vanity Fair, etc.) about NOW they tell us they ALMOST filed a criminal complaint against the Pentagon for their LIES, but instead of going to the Dept of Justice went right to the Pentagon for THEM to investigate THEMSELVES. Not that John "planes of my opponents fall out of the air" Ashcroft would have done anything. Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, I guess. But, WHY NOW? It's been, what, TWO YEARS!?

Any ideas yet?

:think: :think: :think:

[LiberalHeart]

53. Good question.

Also: Why did the movie guy finally get access to the tapes? It seems they came out of the blue to him, when he had given up hope. What made the gov decide oh-what-the-hell, and hand 'em over?

[Peace Patriot]

61. Yup, you always have to go for the story behind the story with the Bush

junta, because there always IS a story behind the story, if not six or seven of them buried in stacks in the White House basement.

I keep expecting the other shoe to drop. Or maybe it has. Maybe Israel's invasion of Lebanon was the first shoe, and this is the one we weren't supposed to hear, for all the outcry over Lebanon.

Maybe that's the answer to WHY NOW? Conveniently back-paged.

But I still have a feeling something else is going to come out, that this is the pre-spin for. This is OBVIOUSLY a managed story. I mean, TWO YEARS for these reports? Come on. WaPo is managing this one for the junta. (The NYT does others.) I caught that in the first reports about the unhappy staffers (polite, cover-up euphemisms for knock-down dragouts behind the scenes). WaPo was soft-pedaling it, as if this was sort of ho-hum old news, only of mild interest.

Israel/Lebanon is a plausible theory, but I'm still wondering: WHY NOW?

[Kagemusha]

51. Poor investigating, huh.

Well that's encouraging.

[Rex]

54. 'intentionally misled'

So they unintentionally misled Congress and no one should ask who gave them the bogus information. Otherwise the 911 people just lied about how hearing a different story from the official version.

Somebody just painted themselves into a corner! HAHAHAHA.

[sam sarrha]

55. nothing unusual about the FFA ordering the cockpit tapes unreeled and cut

up into confetti and small amounts distributed in numerous trash cans around the airport..:rofl:

notice 'deliberate'.. that translates into ..'they just didn't know what they were supposed to say'...

way too much crap was left out.. it was 'allowed to happen' at a best,

for instance on CNN this morning there was a poll..about Lebanon, something like 60% were for the Israelis bombing, 'and 16% had no opinion.. even though the pResident supported the Israelies'...

that is sooo telling about any report about anything the pResident wants to bend into his alterUniverse... you have to sorta sequent your eyes a little and look down the neck of a empty whiskey bottle to see this alterUniverse.. and fry your brain with cocaine and drink it soggy to actually understand it..

[daleo]

57. This seems a bit white-washy. n/t

[Up2Late]

58. So! This is such a meaningless conclusion.

"...no evidence that senior Pentagon commanders intentionally provided false testimony to about the military's actions on the morning of the September 11 attacks..." Whoopty-do!:eyes: :argh: