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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:20 AM
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Mexican electoral court to meet in open
From Associated Press via The Charlotte Observer:

MEXICO CITY - After weeks of closed-door deliberations that will determine Mexico's next leader, the nation's top electoral court on Friday prepared to hold its first open session on the country's disputed presidential race.

The session, scheduled to begin Saturday morning, will give this divided nation its first look at how the Federal Electoral Tribunal plans to deal with Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's allegations of widespread fraud and dirty campaign practices in the July 2 election.

The leftist Lopez Obrador is demanding a full ballot-by-ballot recount, which he says will show he won the race. An official count, still uncertified by the court, gave ruling party candidate Felipe Calderon an advantage of less than 0.6 percent, or about 240,000 votes.

The tribunal has until Sept. 6 to declare a president-elect or annul the elections entirely.

The seven judges will begin by ruling on 174 allegations of fraud, filed by Lopez Obrador's lawyers. Those rulings will likely determine whether they will order a full or partial recount.

--snip--


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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:50 AM
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1. Open sessions are a great idea.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:34 AM
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2. Is it just me, or have the article done a turnaround? We're not hearing
what a wild-eye nutso they (U.S. news service reporters) think Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is. We're not hearing so many claims he could drive the whole country into the ground, and should be locked away!

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Maybe they're afraid he could WIN the damned thing, and will be out to get them!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:55 AM
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3. Good for the Lefffffffffffffffftist. Let's count!
:)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:58 AM
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4. We should have taken to the streets in 2000
and stormed Congress when they counted the EC ballots.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:03 AM
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6. In 2000, I watched in shock. In 2004, I did better. Raised hell
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 03:03 AM by sfexpat2000
THAT NIGHT, got on the net, on the phone, sent money to Ohio.

In 2008, the election reform movement will have an infrastructure. And we've been in their pocketbook and we know where they live. :evilgrin:

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:59 AM
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5. i'm guessing they'll order a 'partial recount'
picking very carefully WHERE to recount so an obrador loss is ensured. unless of course they do the right thing of course. but that is rather doubtful.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:10 AM
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7. I don't think that will work. These people are serious.
Unless they kill a few guys, I think the people will demand what looks like justice. And, they may kill a few guys.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 05:26 AM
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8. Just the ideas of an OPEN PUBLIC VOTE COUNT, and OPEN COURT review of
a challenger's allegations of fraud BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE, make one want to weep.

Mexico's system seems far better than ours. It may be interfered with, and it could all be a show--hard to tell as yet. But OUR rush to certify has resulted in TWO STOLEN ELECTIONS (just counting the presidential ones). And that's a fact. It was SPEED--the SPEED in corporate news monopolies CALLING elections, the SPEED in wanting Florida '00 to be OVER WITH, and the SPEED to re-crown George Bush and get on with the war in '04, that pressured the system, and was used by authorities to RUN RIGHT OVER massive fraud in both cases, that resulted in the WRONG MAN being put in the White House.

THERE IS NO CHECK ON THE SPEED in our system. Whereas Mexico has this (purportedly) INDEPENDENT tribunal to SLOW THINGS DOWN and consider challenges. Here, the Supreme Court did not act independently, in '00. It acted as the tool of the fascists. A later recount of FLA by a large panel of news organizations found that Gore WON Florida (and WAS elected Pres.)--published just AFTER 9/11. (And one can only wonder about the timing of 9/11.)

In 2004, Congress couldn't wait to rush on past the massive evidence of fraud in Ohio presented by the Black Caucus and Sen. Boxer, to confirm the WRONG MAN as elected. Further, in that case, we ALSO had a NON-TRANSPARENT and completely fraudulent "vote tabulation" system--electronic voting, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations--which of course they didn't want to be scrutinized. And NOT ONLY THAT, we had the corporate news monopolies DOCTORING their exit polls (Kerry won) to FIT the results of the non-transparent, secretly code "vote tabulation"--thus denying the American people of major evidence of election fraud. Neither a Mexico--nor a Ukraine--could happen here. That was the PURPOSE of the falsification of the exit polls--to PREVENT a protest.

Rush, rush, rush.

Also in our case, in '04, there COULDN'T BE a recount. One third of the country voted on PAPERLESS electronic machines with a recount NOT POSSIBLE. (--a coup that occurred between 2002 and 2004, as the result of action by major crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney.)

They had a lot to hide. The SPEED MANIA of our election system abetted their election theft in every way.

Upshot: Mexico still has some concern about "consent of the governed"--reflected in its SLOWER system of certification. In the U.S., they don't give a crap about it any more.

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