Warnings of attacks on the Temple Mount.

[QuettaKid]

You just know the fundies in the US are salivating over the prospect of this. It's like one of their key signals for the rapture or some such nonsense.

The Islamic Movement warned Wednesday against the possibility that Jewish groups would try to reach the Temple Mount on Thursday (The Ninth of Av) and damage the Al Aqsa Mosque.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745740.html

[Mabus]

1. On the bright side

It will take a while to rebuild Solomon's Temple. So the rapture timetable faces another setback.

[FormerDem06]

28. umm Mabus.....It's already been built mostly....

There is a group called the Temple Institute in Israel, they have been building the vestments of the Temple for years here:

http://www.templeinstitute.org/vessels_gallery_a1.htm

Now it is believed that they have prefabbed large parts of the temple and are hiding them somewhere waiting.

All they need is a perfect Red Heifer and they're off.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/tenth_red_heifer.htm


But wait it get's better.....

Christian groups in the US are growing red heifers for these guys......

http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/9476/

Wierd Huh?

[Mabus]

30. I'm speechless

OMFG. They've been busier than I thought.

[liberal N proud]

2. Rapture Index 157 - last update July 30

2003 High 177 2004 High 157 2005 High 161 2006 High 159
2003 Low 133 2004 Low 135 2005 Low 143 2006 Low 151

Record High 182 Record Low 57
24 Sept 01 12 Dec 93


http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html

[Scurrilous]

3. Court: Temple Mount Faithful can visit holy site (08/01/06)

High Court judges permit members of extremist Orthodox group to visit Mount on Tisha B’Av, as long as they do not cause provocation. ‘We’ll bring hundreds of Jews, and show Arabs we don’t intend to surrender single millimeter,’ members say

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284807,00.html

<snip>

"The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday to permit members of the Temple Mount Faithful movement to visit the Jerusalem holy site on Tisha B'Av, in the framework of an agreement the State Attorney’s Office reached with the extreme-Right Jewish group.

The Temple Mount and Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) Faithful Movement is an Orthodox movement, founded by Mideast Studies lecturer Gershon Salomon, which wishes to reestablish the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and re-institute the practice of ritual sacrifice.

Currently on the site of the Jewish temple, which was destroyed in 70 A.D., stand Islamic holy sites the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque. In the past, members of the movement have been forbidden access to the site out of fear they would spark clashes with Muslims."

<snip>

"Chairman of the far-left Hadash party, MK Mohammad Barakeh, slammed the court’s verdict.

“This is a dangerous decision made in the shadow of the cruel war Israel is fighting against two peoples – the Palestinians and the Lebanese. Such a decision is like fuel in the hands of pyromaniacs, and could ignite another blaze.”



Temple Mount Faithful:

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

[regnaD kciN]

14. And that, in itself, does not constitute "provocation"...?

High Court judges permit members of extremist Orthodox group to visit Mount on Tisha B’Av, as long as they do not cause provocation. ‘We’ll bring hundreds of Jews, and show Arabs we don’t intend to surrender single millimeter,’ members say

:shrug:

Remember that the "second intifada" began as protests against a similarly inflammatory "visit" by Sharon in late 2000. Had that visit not been allowed, we may well have had a peaceful two-state resolution by now. :-(

[Igel]

20. If what's claimed is true, it can't be a provocation.

Same God, tolerant and respectful of other "peoples of the book", and all that.

Sharon was deemed a special case because of his "indirect personal responsibility" for the Shatila business.

[54anickel]

17. Well, they do have that big tour coming up in December, according

to your second link. Ground breaking ceremony instead? :freak:

[daleo]

4. I think they still need a red cow

God is stymied without a red cow.

[Scurrilous]

5. They're working on it:

American preacher devotes self to prophesied heifers for Israel

September 10, 1999


<snip>

"If the Rev. Clyde Lott has his way, several hundred cows will be flown to Israel in December. And the Mississippi preacher has some unlikely allies in his quest: Jews living in Israel and the West Bank.

The cows, the first of what Lott hopes will be 50,000 sent to the Jewish state, are part of his plan to fulfill a biblical prophecy that a red heifer be born in Israel to bring about the "Second Coming" of Jesus. The return of Jesus is part of a Christian apocalyptic vision of the end of time, which includes the slaughter of those who don't accept the Christian messiah as their savior.

The approaching millennium is heightening such apocalyptic expectations.

A cattle rancher and ordained minister with the National Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ, Lott believes, like most fundamentalist Christians, that three preconditions mentioned in the Bible are necessary for the coming of the Messiah: The state of Israel must be restored. Jerusalem must be in Jewish hands. And the Temple, last destroyed in 70 C.E., must be rebuilt.

The modern state of Israel, of course, was established in 1948, and since 1967, the Jewish state has controlled all of Jerusalem. That leaves the rebuilding of the Temple, and since a red heifer was part of the sacrificial ritual in the Temple -- mentioned several times in the Bible, including in the Book of Numbers, Chapters 19-22 -- many believe the birth of a red heifer in Israel will signal the Temple's return."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/12026/edition_id/231/format/html/displaystory.html

[WePurrsevere]

6. What blows me away is that they actually think they can manipulate God

into doing what they want. I'm reminded of an old quip my mother taught me, "Man plans, God laughs".

[BeHereNow]

7. I LOVE your kitty pic!

I've got a yellow tabby that I adore.
He is the COOLEST cat.
BHN

[WePurrsevere]

16. Thanks! He certainly is Mr. Purrsonality not to mention rather photogenic.

Furkids certainly do brighten up ones life don't they? :)

[Critters2]

21. I have a yellow tabby, too

He's Mr. Cool. If anything ever bothered him, he couldn't be bothered to let anyone know. And he loves my dog...so much so that it's a little wierd sometimes. Even the dog thinks so.

[Lindacooks]

23. I've got a girl yellow tabby, named, of course, Pumpkin.

She lives with three big tomcats and rules the roost.

[Eurobabe]

29. er, uh, my orange tabby's cooler than yours

j/k

[msmcghee]

8. Hey - this is really pretty cool.

Soon we'll have Israeli cowboys with their ponies and six guns. They could trade rot gut whiskey and blankets to the native Palestinians - and then the born-again Brooklyn Calvary Regiment can ride into their camps killing everyone who didn't already die from cholera - thereby starting that final battle where Christ comes back and kills people like me and sends us to hell.

It's all so biblical - and so Buffalo Bill at the same time.

:sarcasm:

[mogster]

19. You can't make these people up

It's kinda scary when they try to increase the likelyhood of the Apocalypse by using methods like breeding cattle, and bringing it to Israel. How far will they go, and where does Bush stand on this 'issue'? Fundies also work to get Jews to move to the West Bank, look at this translation:

"Norwegian Christians works to track down Jews all over the world, and make them move into the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
This year alone, they collected 40 million NOK (app. 5 mill. USD). The people who gives can get a tax redux of 12.000 NOK.

Israel's Norwegian troops are on the offensive, writes the Dagens Næringsliv (Daily Finance).

There are more than 30 organizations in Norway working with support for Israel. The biggest is the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (Ikaj), who has headquarters in Jerusalem.

Much of the money are collected in the small Christian communities at Sørlandet and Vestlandet, and despite the fact that about five million NOK of the collected money goes to the illegal setlements in the West Bank, up to 12.000 NOK are tax deductible. Several of the Israel-organizations, among them Ikaj, is on a list of accepted organizations for tax deduction by gifts to idealist organizations.

The Norwegian branch of Ikaj is the most sucessful of Ikaj's 80 departments all over the world in raising money, and the increase since last year is 17%.

It is mainly in the former Sovjet Union that Ikaj works to visit Jews and pay them to move to Israel. Also in Germany, where the Russian-Jewish community counts about 340.000, the Ikaj calls everyone with a Jewish-sounding name to implore them to go to Israel.

The Israel organizations are convinced that Israel is given to the Jews by God, and that the real Israel must cover all land «from the river of Egypt to Eufrat» in Iraq. They don't accept that the West Bank is occupied and that the occupation, the settlements and those parts of the Wall built on Palestinian territory, are in breach of international law, concluded by a long string of UN resolutions and the UN Court in Hague."
(This is a translation, the article is in Norwegian)
http://www.dn.no/forsiden/utenriks/article841785.ece

[daleo]

25. Norway seems so civilized

But I guess no country is free of nutbars.

[newyorican]

27. Red Heifer Born in Israel

It can now be revealed that less than one month ago, a red heifer was born in Israel. After the heifer's owner contacted the Temple Institute, on Friday, April 5th, 2001, Rabbi Menachem Makover and Rabbi Chaim Richman traveled to the farm where the heifer is located, to inspect and validate her status. The rabbis found her to be kosher and were satisfied that this heifer could indeed be a candidate to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers, chapter 19. This is a prerequisite for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple.

Source

[UndertheOcean]

9. Yes , but then the solution is to have better security..

Its a severe injustice that Religious Jews are not allowed to visit the Temple mount, while religious Muslims are.

[The Stranger]

11. Don't they want to blow up the mosque the Muslims built there?

By the way, welcome to DU -- I saw you only have 92 posts.

[UndertheOcean]

12. I'm not taking about those that want to blow up the mosque..

But continuing the injustice of not allowing ALL religious Jews to visit the place only feeds those extreme elements...

[54anickel]

24. Well, when they come with freakin' 6-1/2 ton cornerstones I'm thinking

there's a damned good reason to turn them away.

Meanwhile, in what has become a spectacular annual routine, Jews — hoping to rebuild the Holy Temple destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70 — attempt to haul 6½-ton cornerstones by truck up to the Temple Mount, the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock mosque. Each year, they are turned back by police.

Among those who have been turned away is Gershon Solomon, spokesman for Jerusalem's Temple Institute. When the temple is built, he said, "Islam is over. I'm grateful for all the wonderful Christian angels wanting to help us."

But when asked to comment on the fate of non-Christians upon the Second Coming of Jesus, he said, "That's a very embarrassing question. What can I tell you? That's a very terrible Christian idea. What kind of religion is it that expects another religion will be destroyed?"

http://www.modbee.com/life/faithvalues/story/12456248p-13175747c.html

Another interesting little tidbit from that article dated 7/15/06....

"In Christian theology, the first thing that happens when Christ returns to Earth is the judgment of nations," said Hagee, who wears a Jewish prayer shawl when he ministers. "It will have one criterion: How did you treat the Jewish people? Anyone who understands that will want to be on the right side of that question. Those who are anti-Semitic will go to eternal damnation."

On Tuesday, Hagee plans to lead a contingent of high-profile evangelists to Washington to make their concerns about Israel's security known to congressional leaders. More than 1,200 evangelists are expected for the gathering. "Twenty-five years ago, I called a meeting of evangelists to discuss such an effort and the conversation didn't last an hour," he said. "This time, I called and they all came and stayed. And when the meeting was over, they all agreed to speak up for Israel."


So, I decided to see what I could find on this contingent....
Christian Right Steps Up Pro-Israel Lobby

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0727-11.htm

snip>

According to a report posted at Israpundit, Hagee read greetings from President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Bush commented: "God bless and stand by the people of Israel and God bless the United States."

Olmert's letter referred to CUFI's "bold stand at this crisis time," and the group's acknowledgement of Israel's biblical 'birthright'."

The following day, at a well-attended press conference, Hagee said that "The dots are there to be connected and it is not some big thing called terrorism. It is Islamic fascism... all of the various things and forces that we've seen around the world are not merely hot spots but they are all part of a theme -- a war against western civilisation."

The news conference was followed by a trip to Capitol Hill to lobby congressional representatives.

While other organisations have mostly talked the talk, Hagee's CUFI has set out a bold agenda and it appears to have the resources and political connections to walk the walk: CUFI intends to not only establish a visible presence in hundreds of cities throughout all 50 states, but it also intends to recruit activists to lobby on behalf of Israel.

more....

[RadiDem]

10. The Xtian Fundy Nutter Rapturists are cheering

"The DOME OF THE ROCK MOSQUE can be destroy by the Arabs themselves. Not on purpose but, accidently. Some Hezbollah soldiers could launch a couple of rockets at Jerusalem and hit the Dome of The Rock mosque instead of a Jeewish target. The Jews will seize upon this oppuntity and demand that THe Jewish Temple be built in its place. If that happens GOODBY EARTH, HELLO JESUS! Let's pray that GOD's will be done."

"the thought has crossed my mind..a stray missile shot by hezbollah..one can only hope..and pray.."

http://www.rr-bb.com/

[KamaAina]

32. Hezbollah has no rockets that can reach Jerusalem from Lebanon

or reach Tel Aviv, for that matter. Why do you think the targets are always either Haifa, or kibbutzim in the far north? Because those are the only places Hezbollah's relatively short-range rockets can reach.

edit: Shows how clueless these fundie nutjobs are.

[tanyev]

13. Then we'll have a three way war because the fundies will flood in

to stake their claim, too.

[Anakin Skywalker]

15. A Three Way? I Like That!

[The Witch]

18. On Tisha B'av?

I think freakin NOT.

[PsychoDad]

22. There are alternate possible locations

For the temple.

http://www.ldolphin.org/location.html

The Southern Conjecture
Many people who have been following these developments may not yet be aware of a third view, which might well be called "the Southern Conjecture." Since this model is less well known, it will be more fully described here and on these web pages. This view has been championed in the past five years by Tuvia Sagiv, a prominent Israeli architect.

The southern conjecture proposes that the dome of the rock sits upon the ruins of the antonia fortress, not the ruins of the temple.

Imagine, the ability to rebuild the temple without destroying the Dome of the rock. Nothing would have to be destroyed, everyone could live in peace with the building.

[QuettaKid]

26. you know, reading this thread with the talk of the red cows and the

divine right of "G-d" giving Israel to his special people........I just have to step back and say, really deep down from inside the bottom of my mind....WHAT.THE.FUCK !?!??!!? and I mean that in a good way. I mean, you trace all of the elements of hatred and war between the Arab/Muslim world and the Jews/Western world and it really does seem to all boil down to this "special ground" I mean really...WHAT.THE.FUCK!?!?!?
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Nihil]

31. Seconded

WTF indeed. All of those innocents maimed & murdered ... for what?
For the sake of a few deranged extremists.

If someone wants to do some good in the world, get the civilians
evacuated from around Temple Mount and nuke the damn place flat,
leaving it deliberately contaminated for centuries so that the
various religious nutcases can realise that there ARE more important
things in this world than "comparative mythology of the last four
millenia".

Hopefully, by the time the radiation has faded, the human race will
be capable of true cooperation rather than just greed & killing.
(If not, it will have gone extinct anyway so it's still a good plan.)