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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:06 AM
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Fighting could spark larger war: King Abdullah
http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0725/lebanon.html

"Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has warned that Israel's continued offensive on Lebanon and on the Palestinians could ignite a war in the Middle East.

He said that if a peaceful resolution to the conflicts were not found due to what he called Israeli arrogance then there would be no other option but a regional war."


How will the neocons and big oil resolve this spanner in the works??
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:08 AM
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1. No shit, Sherlock
Buy that man a deerstalker and a pipe.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:50 AM
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15. The king and his date
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:12 AM
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2. How many times do they have to say it?
Bush and Israel have put the region on a path to widespread war.

Do you think that's a good idea? Bush does. He wants to start World War III and win it. He's like the general in Doctor Strangelove who launches his bombers against Russia.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:17 AM
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3. Bush thinks he is paving the way for Jesus's return
Appeals to reason don't work with a simpleton like Bush, as Tony Blair found out.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:57 AM
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5. I'm not sure.
I know a lot of Bush's base believes in that sh*t, but I'm not convinced he does. I think he thinks he's going to win WWIII and pacify the Middle East. That's what invading Iraq was supposed to accomplish, that was supposed to be easy and a total success which would cause all the other bad guys to surrender. But it failed and now there is no choice but to broaden the war and keep fighting.

He's nuts. Seriously.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:48 AM
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6. Gotta have the antichrist before Jesus comes back
Maybe Bush has his eye on that position.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:51 AM
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8. He's the son of the antichrist....Poppy.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:47 PM
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17. Barbara Bush is the anti-Christ
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 05:37 PM
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19. She is the counterfeit to the mother of the Christ
Whereas Mary was petite and a virgin, according to legend, Barbara is fat and a slut.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 05:35 PM
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18. Antichrist only rules for 7 years, Bush has been Prez for 5 1/2 years
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 05:36 PM by IndianaGreen
and the Antichrist revealed himself, according to crazy Xtian eschatology, half way through his "reign," which would have been a little after Bush invaded Iraq.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:02 PM
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21. God, do you know everything, Indiana Green?
Or should I say, "Indiana Green, do you know everything, God?"

You never fail to impress me. You're the best.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:56 AM
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12. Well, saying it with something of a wink and a nod?
I really believe they love to play it both ways.

I think most everyone has noticed that the fix was really in on this one...the whole power gang in the region decided to let the Israeli's kick the shit out of southern Lebanon for the better part of a month and THEN make a bunch of noise for ceasefire so they look like they backed their ethnic brothers.



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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:57 AM
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4. But Yahoo said the official Saudi news agency, SPA, blamed...
...elements inside Lebanon for causing the crisis.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/13072006/325/saudi-arabia-blames-hizbollah-lebanon-crisis.html

Saudi Arabia blames Hizbollah in Lebanon crisis
Reuters Thursday July 13, 11:16 PM

Saudi Arabia blames Hizbollah in Lebanon crisis

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia on Thursday blamed "elements" inside Lebanon for the violence with Israel, in unusually frank language directed at guerrilla group Hizbollah and its Iranian backers.

"A distinction must be made between legitimate resistance and uncalculated adventures undertaken by elements inside (Lebanon) and those behind them without recourse to the legal authorities and consulting and coordinating with Arab nations,"
a statement carried by the official news agency SPA said.

"These elements should bear the responsibility for their irresponsible actions and they alone should end the crisis they have created."


It seems that the Saudis have either learned a GOP obfuscation technique or developed it independently. Notwithstanding the wordiness of the statement, it does contradict that which the King says, much like how our president's words might be directly contradicted by a statement of one of his subordinates.

When, for instance, the White House website says one thing, the president's press secretary says another while the president himself says something else, confusion is sown bearing a fruit of chaos. Apparently, for the Saudis, it's planting season.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:52 AM
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10. Speaketh with forked tongue.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:48 AM
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7. The King is right when he says; "The Arrogance of Israel!"
Israel is not acting on it's own fire power.
If it wasn't for the US aiding and abetting,
we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Bush and Cheney
are laughing their asses off because they're
filling their pockets with gold while the fools
are playing into the self-annihilation scenario
of muslims and arabs..

good deal for US commerce.

Keep on killing each other, morons!

The Christian Crusaders are getting richer and
are alive and well, dupes!
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:52 AM
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9. Even weirder --
The US is providing humanitarian aid to the Lebanese with one hand, and furnishing ammo to the Israelis so they can blow them up with the other. I know I'm dense, but damned if I can figure that one out.

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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:16 AM
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13. Billions for Israeli ammo and $30 million in aid for the victims
Speaking of disproportionate responses.
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Gully Foyle Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:24 AM
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14. Clinton
That duality thing goes back to clinton, probably further.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/
"So, once elected, Bill Clinton did what he does best: He took advantage of the opportunity. Rather than insert human-rights concerns into the arms-sales equation, as did his Democratic predecessor President Carter, Clinton decided to aggressively continue the sales policies of President Bush, himself no slouch when it came to selling U.S. arms."
.....
" What we found is that while the U.S. obviously sells weapons to NATO countries and relatively democratic allies like Japan and South Korea, it also has a nasty habit of arming both sides in a conflict, as well as countries with blighted democracy or human-rights records, like Indonesia, Colombia, and Saudi Arabia.

All of this might be justified as a way to maintain a strong manufacturing job-base in the U.S., but some of these sales actually result in jobs being shipped abroad -- while arms manufacturers get tax breaks for merging, resulting in further layoffs here at home."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/lobbying.html
"n 1993 Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) proposed that arms sales to Indonesia be linked to that country's human-rights record. Lobbyists immediately went to work opposing Feingold's proposal. As one complained to the Legal Times, "Every time a human-rights issue comes up, they jump on it and say, 'Let's cut off arms sales to Bongo Bongo.'"

The lobbyist then became defiant: "We'll fight Feingold; we'll fight each senator if we have to. The defense industry has to fight each one of these battles."

The Indonesian government's "registered foreign agents" -- its lobbyists in the U.S. -- disengaged from the fray and let American arms exporters do the fighting. The arms makers impressed upon legislators that tying arms exports to human rights meant the loss of jobs to foreign competitors. The State and Defense Departments phoned Feingold to let him know of the Clinton administration's opposition to the bill. The Feingold bill went down in flames."

And this is probably one of the reasons the Democrats tend to shit on McKinney.

"In 1995 Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) and Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.) introduced the Code of Conduct bill , which would have tied all U.S. arms exports to the customer's democracy record, human-rights record, and its willingness to report arms imports and exports to the United Nations.

At a 1995 defense trade seminar, three influential arms export lobby groups recommended the bill "should be allowed to die in committees." Both the Senate and House versions of the bill were soundly defeated, with the 65 senators and 262 representatives who voted against it collecting some $4 million in contributions from defense PACs.

The undaunted McKinney, who in 1997 had said the U.S. "ought not to be in the business of supplying weapons to dictators," introduced yet another Code of Conduct bill in the House last September, with John Kerry (D-Mass.) doing so in the Senate. The bill passed in the House, but was not taken up in the Senate. McKinney plans to re-introduce the bill for debate by the 106th Congress.

And so it goes. The arms lobby pushes its interests. Occasionally a principled legislator comes along and tries to introduce some responsibility into the arms export process. The reformer quickly gets squashed, with the Clinton administration's help. "

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 05:52 PM
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20. I guess you have to fix things before you can blow them up again
And the companies involved can get rich on both things, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. It is a seamless circle.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:53 AM
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11. In the distance...
a giant walks. Each day the his thunderous steps come a bit closer.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:32 PM
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16. Don't think they want to resolve it. they sell arms to both sides....
and they sell gasoline....
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:07 PM
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22. Expect $20 / gallon gas - if we're lucky.
All the gas might have to go to the war machine.
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