Terror crew urged to hit FBI's bldgs.(by FBI)

[NorthernSun]

BY JONATHAN LEMIRE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

An FBI informant urged seven terror suspects to target FBI offices throughout the country - including one in New York - and even helped the men scout the buildings, law enforcement sources told the Daily News yesterday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/432918p-364663c.html

[NYC]

1. This is such a strange story.

...The terror suspects never performed reconnaissance on the Sears Tower or any other FBI office, including the one in lower Manhattan that was also targeted in a 1993 plot to blow up New York landmarks. They also never acquired any of the explosives to carry out their attacks, authorities said...

There were no weapons, no money, no plans. They apparently had no way of doing this. And according to this article, it was the FBI's idea.

Very strange.

[Judi Lynn]

2. They must surely think we're all idiots. This is preposterous.

From the article:

"The FBI made sure the informant suggested Bureau buildings and not, say, airports, in order to maintain an element of control," said a law enforcement source. "The FBI knew exactly what was going on and was in complete control."

The terror suspects never performed reconnaissance on the Sears Tower or any other FBI office, including the one in lower Manhattan that was also targeted in a 1993 plot to blow up New York landmarks. They also never acquired any of the explosives to carry out their attacks, authorities said
(snip/)

The FBI should be laughed out of the country. This is unacceptable.

They need to say "no" to framing naive, poor minority people. Republican idea from the half-wit administration.

[xenu]

8. Some of those so-called "naive poor minority people" were the informants

So much for your insulting characterization of "minority people" as "poor" and "naive".

[atreides1]

13. You have proof

"Some of those so-called "naive poor minority people" were the informants"
Posted by xenu

What evidence do you have of your statement.

[Richard Steele]

21. Ah, too late- he's been booted.

[xenu]

7. It was NOT the FBI's idea

Why did you misrepresent the nature of this story?

It so clearly does not say that. Did you even read it?

It says:

An FBI informant urged seven terror suspects to target FBI offices throughout the country - including one in New York - and even helped the men scout the buildings, law enforcement sources told the Daily News yesterday.

Do you know what the difference is between "an FBI informant" and the FBI itself? I would hope that anyone with an eighth grade education could tell the difference.


Last December, the FBI arranged for an undercover informant posing as an Al Qaeda terrorist to meet with alleged ringleader Narseal Batiste, who authorities say had already recruited six men to help bring down the landmark 110-story Chicago office tower.

So tell me...how are undercover informants supposed to infiltrate wannabe terrorists anyway?

There is nothing here that "does not make sense" if you have watched at least half a dozen crime shows over the years.

But in March, in an effort to solidify his "terrorist credentials," the informant suggested the men widen their aims to attack FBI offices in Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington and New York, a law enforcement source said.

Most likely to determine to what degree the FBI was a target of these terrorists.

[atreides1]

15. Informants make plans with no assistance all the time

So the "informant" came up with this plan all by himself? With no input from the FBI at all? Besides the story in the paper, do you have evidence that this was all thought out by the informant alone?

If you do have proof, maybe you could post a link?

[The Stranger]

18. Who did you say is misrepresenting the story?

Do you know what the difference is between "an FBI informant" and the FBI itself? I would hope that anyone with an eighth grade education could tell the difference.

Actually, an FBI informant may be an FBI agent. Such an informant also likely works with the FBI in order to establish the elements of the crime with which they seek to charge the suspect. So there may be no difference at all between an "informant" and an agent, and this is something able to be deduced even with an "eighth grade education."

This is further made clear in the paragraph you quote.

Last December, the FBI arranged for an undercover informant posing as an Al Qaeda terrorist to meet with alleged ringleader Narseal Batiste, who authorities say had already recruited six men to help bring down the landmark 110-story Chicago office tower.

It was the FBI that "arranged" for their own (now) "undercover informant" to meet with the suspects and to encourage them to commit terrorist acts -- attacking FBI offices -- that they had never concieved of but which originated solely at the suggestion of the FBI itself.

[NYC]

27. I still think it's a strange story, but thanks for being insulting.

Do you know what the difference is between "an FBI informant" and the FBI itself? I would hope that anyone with an eighth grade education could tell the difference.


Last December, the FBI arranged for an undercover informant posing as an Al Qaeda terrorist to meet with alleged ringleader Narseal Batiste, who authorities say had already recruited six men to help bring down the landmark 110-story Chicago office tower.


An FBI informant urged seven terror suspects to target FBI offices throughout the country - including one in New York - and even helped the men scout the buildings, law enforcement sources told the Daily News yesterday.

The FBI arranged for the informant. I would suspect they gave him some direction.

Insult:

Do you know what the difference is between "an FBI informant" and the FBI itself? I would hope that anyone with an eighth grade education could tell the difference.

If I do know the difference between an FBI employee and an FBI informant, do I have an eighth grade education?

[annabanana]

3. This is the kind of "cry wolf" crap that is going to get

us in genuine trouble.

How much credence can we give the story today about the Holland Tunnel plot when we know that the FBI (or parts of it anyway) are spending their time on false flag black op crap like this??

I want our intelligence community to do what it's supposed to be doing, and not shoring up the disasterous B*sh maladministration.

[xenu]

9. It's not "false flag" "black op" crap and you know it

It's called gathering intelligence on who is likely to be recruited for terror in American cities.

Maybe you don't live in an American city or care about them. I'm surprised at that, given how much of the Democratic base lives in or around cities.

[Richard Steele]

12. It is very obviously "false flag" "black op" CRAP.

And your attempts to justify it are ridiculous.

[annabanana]

16. Hello. . New York City here!

(You know, the target of the newly exposed possible threat to the Holland Tunnel? The place where the tall buildings were? The center of the financial world?)

The wholly made up load of bs with those impoverished posers who did karate & sold shampoo for walking around money would have never, never had the ideas they are accused of having without being spoonfed and bribed to it by the FBI "informant".

[NYC]

29. One man in Lebanon arrested, two more in foreign countries

are in custody, but not charged.

That's all I got out of the Billionaire Bloomberg conference.

Also, a remark by Schumer that the Florida-targeting-the-NY-FBI-office plot and the Holland Tunnel plot prove the feds shouldn't be cutting anti-terrorism funds to NYC.

[The Stranger]

19. Who is doing the recruiting?

It would appear that the FBI is responsible for recruiting terrorists these days, even coming up with suggestions and actively recruiting would-be terrorist to bomb FBI buildings.

[Jacobin]

25. They're called agents provocateur

They infiltrated student groups during the Viet Nam student war protests. They encouraged burning buildings, riots and attempted to make peaceful protests violent. They CREATE trouble. They do not infiltrate in order to make arrests.

These were obviously a bunch of disaffected yahoos sitting around 'plotting' stuff to try to make themselves somehow important. These idiots thought they had to have uniforms and boots (which the FBI promptly BOUGHT for them).

If the government can't tell the difference between a handful of hacked off, disaffected losers sitting around talking shit, and those who seriously plan attackes, we are truly fucked.....We are truly fucked.

[K-W]

28. Its entrapment at the best and provocation at the worst. EOM

[truthisfreedom]

4. and, of course, this is the type of "success" we can continue to expect

under bushco. half-assed crapola.

[CJCRANE]

5. This was basically the beginning stages of a MIHOP operation...

what I mean is, shows how easy it would be to set one up.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. What is this, Terror Friday?

This is at least the 3rd bullshit terror story this morning.

[xenu]

10. It's not a bullshit story

I'm glad you care so much about one of the most Democratic cities in the United States that you think the potential for domestic assaults on our buildings is just a "bullshit story" worthy of being buried or ignored.

Please have a more articulate explanation for your views ready next time. You haven't convinced me yet.

[tanyev]

11. News coverage today about the NYC Holland tunnel plot:

Officials told the Daily News the alleged plot was more serious than the rag-tag plan by seven suspects in Miami to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and a federal building in Florida.

"This is more advanced than the Miami Seven," said one official quoted in the Daily News.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2163524

[rocktivity]

31. Miami More advanced? This was discussed in an ONLINE CHATROOM!

And I wonder if they detainee got any "extra help" confessing.

:eyes:
rocknation

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Anyone who thinks they can flood

lower Manhattan by blowing up a tunnel that is already under water is an idiot and certainly not a threat to anyone other then themselves.

[Cyrano]

17. So aside from that, xenu, how are you enjoying the Kool-aid?

[The Stranger]

20. It calls to mind the scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail movie,

where the Brittons "attacked" a French castle by hitting its walls with their swords, before they were forced to "run away!".

[zreosumgame]

30. sorry we had not been informed we HAD to convince YOU

nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. Care?

What neighborhood did you grow up in?

BTW: My parents still live there.

[rocktivity]

34. This story doesn't sound any more plausible than the one from Miami

These guys discussed the plot in an Internet chat room? And it's being described as a SERIOUS threat?

:crazy:
rocknation

[lonestarnot]

26. Terra Terra Terra. Hmmmf.

[B3Nut]

22. If this reflects the caliber of America's law enforcement

then we are truly hosed. They make the Keystone Cops look competent! It's such a shoddy set-em-up-and-knock-em-down job I honestly don't know where to start. The Bush administration has done all it can to ensure that the government can't find its ass with both hands and a flashlight. Trying to whip a gaggle of nutty syncretistic cultists with delusions of adequacy into a "terrorist cell" to make the Administration look like it's doing something is beyond pathetic. They couldn't even find real Muslims to set up, just a syncretistic loony cult. Blows the whole idea of "sleeper cells" (gimme a break) out of the water...if they existed they'd know where and they'd be exploiting those. If it wasn't so tragic it'd be side-splittingly hilarious. Had the FBI never instigated all of this and bought all the supplies to equip this "terror cell" it would never have existed. And you want me to trust these bozos to keep my country safe? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

It just keeps getting wierder every day. And I know from wierd.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Ian David]

23. What a cool job-- get paid to convince people to bomb your bosses!

"Hey, you've got a performance review coming up next week. How's that project going, where you try and convince people to blow-up my office and then stop them before it's too late?"

"I dunno if I can stop them in time, boss. Let's see how my performance review goes. Hey, can I take an extra week of vacation? And can I borrow your timeshare on Grand Cayman?"

[Ian David]

24. The trick is, with a group like this, you have to start them off small...

[HuffleClaw]

33. these continued prosecution of govn't created 'thought criminals' is

a complete disgrace.

"The terror suspects never performed reconnaissance on the Sears Tower or any other FBI office, including the one in lower Manhattan that was also targeted in a 1993 plot to blow up New York landmarks. They also never acquired any of the explosives to carry out their attacks, authorities said."

thought criminals.

[Rex]

35. I hope it freaked the FBI out

that they could easily talk those guys into committing domestic terrorism. The BFEE will continue to destabilize America, to bad no one gives a flying shit. :(

[superconnected]

36. sort of like regans administra mailing out anti-gov news letters to catch

people who would subscribe and put them on their dissenter lists.

Very 1984.

For those of you who didn't read 1984, there was a character named Emmanual Goldstein(yeah where the editor of 2600 got his name) who was supposedly heading the resistance against the government, but in the end turns out to be part of the government and and only existed to catch the people who would dissent.

So here's the gov, telling people to attack the gov and then arresting them.