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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:08 PM
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'Loose lips' kill Americans, says top Republican (Hastert)
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 01:10 PM by sabra

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=governmentFilingsNews&storyID=2006-06-28T175249Z_01_N28365526_RTRIDST_0_SECURITY-SWIFT-MEDIA.XML

'Loose lips' kill Americans, says top Republican


WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - Declaring that "loose lips" kill Americans, a top Congressional Republican leader said on Wednesday the House of Representatives will debate a resolution condemning the U.S. media for exposing details of secret intelligence programs.

The move heaps more criticism on The New York Times and other newspapers that reported last week on a secret program by the U.S. Treasury Department that tracks private bank records.

"What we're talking about is people who are leaking classified information. It's not news. It's classified information our government is using to fight terrorists," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, of Illinois.

"Loose lips kill American people," he added.


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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:09 PM
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1. Plame
one word for every GOPer. Forever, you will be known as the party of treason. There are plenty more examples, but I like keeping my statements as simple as possible.

PLAME
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:04 PM
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28. Plame, you heinous hypocrites!
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:04 AM
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51. I don't know why the media aren't defending themselves with this point
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:12 PM
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2. no, Cherry picked intel and lying kills americans and a variety of other
citizens around the world.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:18 PM
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18. exactamundo. (n/t)
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:12 PM
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3. No, republicans kill Americans. Are we in some kind of backward timewarp?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:11 PM
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63. He aids the Chimp with these deaths DRAFT DODGER TOO
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 12:16 PM by saigon68


This person is very dead

This person died for nothing

He was used up and thrown away

By the Bush Criminals and the Chimpanzee in particular

AND HASTERT IS A FUCKING DRAFT DODGING CHICKEN HAWK

Born on January 2, 1942, Hastert is a 1964 graduate of Wheaton (IL) College where he earned a bachelor's degree in economics. He attended graduate school at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, where he earned a master's degree in the philosophy of education in 1967.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:12 PM
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4. Is There A Better Word Than Hypocrite?
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 01:13 PM by Demeter
PLame's outing jeopardized real people with families, names, and suddenly, no careers.

The press actually giving us a heads-up on what illegal deeds the BushCo boys are up to hasn't killed anyone (not even politically).
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:15 PM
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5. So does starting wars for no good reason kills even more Americans
I'm not a big fan of government secrecy anyway. I don't care for elitism. I'm a peppery populist.
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xenu Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:37 AM
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58. I agree

...drag them all out into the light. We don't need them to fight crimes around the world.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:17 PM
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6. This is true, just look at the Plame case.
Who knows how many agents were killed when Rove gave the nod to release Plames name to the public? To bad laws only apply to Democrats.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:17 PM
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7. Ahh, that pesky First Amendment (nt)
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xenu Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:40 AM
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59. that's right
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 11:40 AM by xenu
...also the pesky Fourth Amendment, not to mention the Civil Rights laws.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:17 PM
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8. Valarie Plame built a network to watch weapons material movements
bushco/Cheney outed HER, which also alerted people that those working for/with her front company were also INTEL. So, how many die because her important work was undermined and it would become easier for groups to move weapons materials with less observation?

Talk about leaks costing lives! We won't know how many agents and informants working to limit weapons proliferation died as a result of leaking that Wilson's wife was CIA. We can't even speculate how many died/will die because her network was destroyed by someone in the bush administration pulling the vindictive snit outing of Wilson's wife just to denigrate Wilson and his report that the Yellow Cake/Niger story was wrong.

How many die because people in dangerous places won't work with CIA because they fear being outed by a foolishly vindictive American administration?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:18 PM
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9. This hypocrisy is not even worth comment..
so I won't.

Pig bastard Hastert
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:19 PM
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10. I thought Pre-911 incompetence and an illegal invasion...
...did that. I guess he's right though. I mean after all three news papers reporting on a program that Bush had been talking about for four years is a way bigger deal than those things.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:20 PM
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11. Hassert's loose lips eat way too many Twinkies and burritos
So where o where are the bloody democrats, pointing out loudly and clearly that nothing new was revealed as Bush spoke of this program nearly three years ago, and that the WSJ and LAT also ran the story but are NOT getting bitch-slapped by the WH?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:05 PM
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16. And Bratwursts, when he goes to Feingold-land. (n/t)
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:24 PM
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12. Unless you are a Republican
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0109140370sep14,1,6246568.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters hours after terrorists crashed hijacked jetliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that U.S. intelligence had intercepted a telephone call from a suspect reporting to his handler that the targets in New York City and near Washington had been hit.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:28 PM
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13. that`s my denny!!
never mind indian money and couple million his family made on the land and road deal he`ll still get elected. i sure hope the dems take the house so this guy is no longer "the man" in "his" district..
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:01 PM
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14. Secret Police spying on ordinary citizens
kills liberty ... kills liberty.

(Keep the response short and punchy.)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:03 PM
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15. Someone shoulda told that to Cheney before his had Libby
"out" Valerie Plame, doncha think? We still don't know how many deaths resulted from that little "leak".

TC
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:51 PM
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17. this poster about says it all for Hastert & company:
from 'Propaganda Remix':


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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:20 PM
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19. I prefer this poster
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:42 PM
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33. I always liked this one
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:38 PM
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34. Nice one
Thanks - I've stored it. :)
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:08 PM
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42. all good, thanks
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xenu Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:47 AM
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60. good advice, eh? n/t
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:22 PM
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20. Nope, it's Bush's lies that kill Americans. nt
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:24 PM
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21. No, Republican (lack of) war tactics/planning kill people.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 03:26 PM by w4rma
Republicans prefer to try to use the war as a political hammer to get more benefits for their billionare friends, most of whome hever never fought on the battlefield and who are mostly war profiteers, rather than actually fighting it.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:43 PM
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22. What's he tops at? Being dishonest?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:51 PM
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23. Speaking of loose lips...
Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy Republicans Valerie Plame Hypocrisy

Aren't they fine ones to talk, after their fearless leader George Bush outed a CIA Agent working undercover to fight the war on terror? If that isn't treasonous, if that isn't impeachable, I don't know what is.

Oh yes, I do: Having that same President lie about it and aid in covering it up during an investigation. DISGRACEFUL.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:54 PM
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24. How can you condem the US media.... Ever heard of freedom of the press.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:57 PM
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25. "Bring 'Em On!" Shouted the AWOL Chimpanzee
(with acknowledgment to Saigon68)

Now, what was Spittle-Blowing PigBoy saying?
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:59 PM
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26. Let's begin with the Govt. official who revealed this about the program..
"We’ve established a Foreign Terrorist Asset Tracking Center at the Department of the Treasury to identify and investigate the financial infrastructure of the international terrorist networks."

President George W. Bush, September 24, 2001

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:10 PM
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43. Olbermann reported tonight there's a website & a magazine about the
SWIFT program to track terror financing. Real top secret program, that.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:00 PM
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27. Jeff Gannons?
sorry, it just had to be said :)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:05 PM
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29. Start pressing charges, then, you fat bastard
Put your money where your flabby mouth is, and go out and arrest some people! Do it!

Let's see this in a court of law! In front of a judge, with witnesses and defense attorneys and evidence and sworn-in government officials.

Put up or shut up! Come on, let's see some action!

:grr:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:19 PM
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30. Well, they better put the smack-down on the WH website webmaster
For that September 2001 article quoting Bush talking about the terrorist money trail and the subsequent investigation.

Dumbasses.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:21 PM
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31. No, Bush and those who support the war kill Americans
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:22 PM by Sapere aude
You mean to tell me that all those years where I enjoyed my privacy I was killing Americans? Bull shit!
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:28 PM
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32. If the GOP keeps this up they are going to piss off many Americans...
Americans want to "cut and run" from Iraq and criticize the administration's foreign policy. One can't force another person to change his or her perspective through shaming tactics like this - we no longer are as emotionally vulnerable to this type of propaganda.

Americans don't like to admit that they're the cause of any problems in this country. The worse thing the GOP can do is imply that having a disagreement with this administration equates to being a terrorist. No longer is this a feasable political strategy. Joe American who disagrees with the White House will say, "What, you mean I'M a terrorist now? Fuck you."

Keep it up, GOP. I guarantee you WILL implode.
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zara Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:19 PM
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35. Stupid unnecessary wars based on lies kill Americans.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:21 PM
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36. Bush: "Bring it on!"
Yep, loose lips can get Americans killed.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:25 PM
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37. flapping lips got us into this war. the republicans need lipectomies.
if they had shut up, we wouldn't be in this mess. and if bushco could have had the guts to fight the terrorists in the air before they hit the buildings on 9-11, we would have saved lots of lives.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:32 PM
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38. "Loose Talk Is Noose Talk" - from Terry Gilliam's BRAZIL
:puke:
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Bush_MUST_Go Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:56 PM
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39. If they're not outing Plame, they're tipping off Saddam. Pat Roberts,R-Kan
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas

(snip)

But three years ago on the eve of the invasion of Iraq, Roberts himself was involved in disclosing sensitive intelligence information that, according to four former senior intelligence officers, impaired efforts to capture Saddam Hussein and potentially threatened the lives of Iraqis who were spying for the United States.

On March 20, 2003, at the onset of military hostilities between U.S. and Iraqi forces, Roberts said in a speech to the National Newspaper Association that he had "been in touch with our intelligence community" and that the CIA had informed President Bush and the National Security Council "of intelligence information from what we call human intelligence that indicated the location of Saddam Hussein and his leadership in a bunker in the suburbs of Baghdad."


(snip)

"On a scale of one to ten, if Mary McCarthy did what she is accused of doing, it would be at best a six or seven," said one former senior intelligence official, whose position required involvement in numerous leak investigations. "What Pat Roberts did, from a legal and national security point of view, was an eleven."


http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0425nj1.htm

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:14 PM
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40. Loose Pockets (as in 'Corrupt-Pig-Hastert') Kill Americans
http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/051003roco01?print=true
An Inconvenient Patriot
By DAVID ROSE
Love of country led Sibel Edmonds to become a translator for the F.B.I. following 9/11. But everything changed when she accused a colleague of covering up alleged illicit activity involving Turkish nationals. Fired after sounding the alarm, she's now preparing a Supreme Court appeal—and threatening some very powerful people (from Vanity Fair, September 2005)

~snip~
...in addition to her allegations about the Dickersons, she reported hearing Turkish wiretap targets boast that they had a covert relationship with a very senior politician indeed—Dennis Hastert, Republican congressman from Illinois and Speaker of the House since 1999. The targets reportedly discussed giving Hastert tens of thousands of dollars in surreptitious payments in exchange for political favors and information. "The Dickersons," says one official familiar with the case, "are only the tip of the iceberg."
...
~snip~
In her secure testimony, Edmonds disclosed some of what she recalled hearing. In all, says a source who was present, she managed to listen to more than 40 of the Chicago recordings supplied by Robertz. Many involved an F.B.I. target at the city's large Turkish Consulate, as well as members of the American-Turkish Council and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations.

Some of the calls reportedly contained what sounded like references to large-scale drug shipments and other crimes
. To a person who knew nothing about their context, the details were confusing, and it wasn't always clear what might be significant. One name, however, apparently stood out—a man the Turkish callers often referred to by the nickname "Denny boy." It was the Republican congressman from Illinois and Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert. According to some of the wiretaps, the F.B.I.'s targets had arranged for tens of thousands of dollars to be paid to Hastert's campaign funds in small checks. Under Federal Election Commission rules, donations of less than $200 are not required to be itemized in public filings.

Hastert himself was never heard in the recordings, Edmonds told investigators, and it is possible that the claims of covert payments were hollow boasts. Nevertheless, an examination of Hastert's federal filings shows that the level of un-itemized payments his campaigns received over many years was relatively high. Between April 1996 and December 2002, un-itemized personal donations to the Hastert for Congress Committee amounted to $483,000.

...
~snip~
Edmonds reportedly added that the recordings also contained repeated references to Hastert's flip-flop, in the fall of 2000, over an issue which remains of intense concern to the Turkish government—the continuing campaign to have Congress designate the killings of Armenians in Turkey between 1915 and 1923 a genocide. For many years, attempts had been made to get the House to pass a genocide resolution, but they never got anywhere until August 2000, when Hastert, as Speaker, announced that he would give it his backing and see that it received a full House vote. He had a clear political reason, as analysts noted at the time: a California Republican incumbent, locked in a tight congressional race, was looking to win over his district's large Armenian community. Thanks to Hastert, the resolution, vehemently opposed by the Turks, passed the International Relations Committee by a large majority. Then, on October 19, minutes before the full House vote, Hastert withdrew it.

At the time, he explained his decision by saying that he had received a letter from President Clinton arguing that the genocide resolution, if passed, would harm U.S. interests. Again, the reported content of the Chicago wiretaps may well have been sheer bravado, and there is no evidence that any payment was ever made to Hastert or his campaign. Nevertheless, a senior official at the Turkish Consulate is said to have claimed in one recording that the price for Hastert to withdraw the resolution would have been at least $500,000.

Hastert's spokesman says the congressman withdrew the genocide resolution only because of the approach from Clinton, "and to insinuate anything else just doesn't make any sense." He adds that Hastert has no affiliation with the A.T.C. or other groups reportedly mentioned in the wiretaps: "He does not know these organizations." Hastert is "unaware of Turkish interests making donations," the spokesman says, and his staff has "not seen any pattern of donors with foreign names."

For more than two years after Edmonds was fired, the Office of the Inspector General's inquiry ground on. At last, in July 2004, its report was completed—and promptly labeled classified at the behest of the F.B.I. It took months of further pressure before a redacted, unclassified version was finally issued, in January 2005. It seemed to provide stunning vindication of Edmonds's credibility.

"Many of Edmonds' core allegations relating to the co-worker were supported by either documentary evidence or witnesses," the report said. "We believe that the F.B.I. should have investigated the allegations more thoroughly."

The F.B.I. had justified firing Edmonds on the grounds that she had a "disruptive effect," the report went on. However, "this disruption related primarily to Edmonds' aggressive pursuit of her allegations of misconduct, which the F.B.I. did not believe were supported and which it did not adequately investigate. In fact, as we described throughout our report, many of her allegations had bases in fact," the report read. "We believe … that the F.B.I. did not take them seriously enough, and that her allegations were, in fact, the most significant factor in the F.B.I.'s decision to terminate her services."

Meanwhile, Edmonds had new lawyers: the A.C.L.U.'s Ann Beeson, who is leading the challenge to the state-secrets privilege, and Mark Zaid, a private attorney who specializes in national-security issues. Zaid has filed a $10 million tort suit, citing the threats to Edmonds's family, her inability to look after her real-estate and business interests in Turkey, and a series of articles in the Turkish press that have vilified her.

In July 2004, a federal district court had ruled in favor of the government's use of the state-secrets privilege. Like Ashcroft's declaration, its opinion contained no specific facts. Next came a bizarre hearing in the D.C. appeals court in April 2005. The room was cleared of reporters while Beeson spoke for 15 minutes. Then Beeson and Edmonds were also expelled to make way for the Department of Justice's lawyers, who addressed the judges in secret. Two weeks later, the court rejected Edmonds's appeal, without expanding on the district court's opinion. At press time, she was set to file a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court. If the court agrees to take the case, the government's reasons for its actions may finally be forced into the open; legal experts say the Supreme Court has never allowed secret arguments.

A week after the April appeal hearing, Edmonds gathered more than 30 whistle-blowers from the F.B.I., C.I.A., National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, and other agencies to brief staffers from the House and Senate. Among the whistle-blowers were Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers to The New York Times in 1971, and Coleen Rowley, the F.B.I. agent from Minneapolis who complained that Washington ignored local agents who in August 2001 had raised concerns about a flight student named Zacarias Moussaoui, who has since admitted to being an al-Qaeda terrorist.

Many of those present had unearthed apparent breaches of national security; many said their careers had been wrecked as a result. At a press conference after the briefings, Congressman Edward Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, praised Edmonds and her colleagues as "national heroes," pledging that he would introduce a bill to make it a crime for any agency manager to retaliate against such individuals. Afterward, the whistle-blowers mingled over hors d'oeuvres and explored their common ground and experiences. By July, they were working to formalize their association as a not-for-profit campaign group, the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition. "When they took on Sibel," says Mike German, who is now the coalition's congressional liaison, "they made the wrong woman mad."

"I'm going to keep pushing this as long as I can, but I'm not going to get obsessional," Edmonds says. "There's other things I want to do with my life. But the day the Iranians tried to arrest me, my father told me, 'Sibel, you live your life once. How do you choose to live? According to your principles, or in fear?' I have never forgotten those words."

Contributing editor David Rose is the author of Guantánamo: The War on Human Rights, which grew out of his V.F. article "Guantánamo Bay on Trial."

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/051003roco01?print=true



Credibility is something that disgusting flip-flopper never had.

"Look who's gone fish'n and look who paid.mm mm mm"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1520997

What a corrupt lying pig that Hastert, huh? Only there for his loose pockets and his 'fiend'$ ...What else should the People expect from these Republicans?

:grr:

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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:07 PM
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41. No, fatass repiglicans who support BushCo kill Americans
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:45 PM
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44. In that case, they should be prosecuting the Bush Twins
:evilgrin:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:25 PM
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45. No, Dennis, coked out motherfucking criminals squatting in the White...
House kill Americans (and plenty of others)
God, I HATE these loathsone people
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:30 PM
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46. actually - repugs kill our soldiers.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:24 AM
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47. Classified my ass. That bullshit was common knowledge.
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 12:26 AM by The_Casual_Observer
LIke just about everything else thats "Classified" by this stupid government.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:21 AM
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48. Not fucking quite
How about lies about going to war kill young American men and women? What the fuck are these people dying for? I had the "joy" of spending the x-mas holidays with my parents who have the misfortune of living in "republican hell." I was reading the letters to the editor one morning (I love self-torture). Some asshole had written in, stating that the "anti-war protestors should realize that our troops were over in Iraq 'fighting for our freedom.'" I didn't even have the energy to get too worked up about that asinine statement. It is apparently a universal idea down there. Thank god I live in a VERY blue area.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:16 AM
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49. Jesus,
Hastert is one of the many reasons the Intelligent Design theory has no material basis in fact.
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jarrodf Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:03 AM
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50. Bullets kill americans you dumbass!
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:08 AM
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52. No. The war you sent the kids to kill them you idiot
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:10 AM
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53. Why are the rest of the media SILENT on this matter?
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 09:12 AM by Julius Civitatus
Nobody is coming to the defense of the NYT!
With minor exceptions, the rest of the media are silent, scared shitless of the wrath of the administration. This is one of the most disgusting displays of cowardice I've ever witnessed.






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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:14 AM
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56. KO was brillian last night
showed clips of Bush, over five or six times, publicly mentioning cutting off the money--then he showed the website and magazine. This is BS--maybe something is coming down again with Brewster-Jennings outing and they need a plastic deflection. Absolute shite!!!!!!
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:50 AM
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57. He's the exception
I saw that, and was amazed at his bravery, but Olbermann also mentioned that the rest of the media are eerily silent on this matter. It's truly revolting, but it shows their true face.







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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:37 AM
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54. Repukes and their fucking policies kill Americans you fat slob!
Fuckwad!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:05 AM
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55. So he's talking about fucking
karl rover, dickhead cheney, and chimpythebush and oh, the one they got for it..little scooter libby..the Leaking Four.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:55 AM
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61. Yes, but Stupid White Men kill even more.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:10 PM
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62. Bush and Cheney kill Americans n/t
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 05:02 PM
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64. under Hitler, tight lips killed Germans
fear and blind obedience to the Nazi government killed millions of innocent men, women, and children.
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