Lake Orion Marine (from Moore's "F-9/11") is killed in Iraq explosion

[Bozita]

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Lake Orion Marine is killed in Iraq explosion

BY NAOMI R. PATTON
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

June 28, 2006


In his left breast pocket, U.S. Marine Staff Sgt. Raymond J. Plouhar carried the Bible his grandfather, Raymond B. Plouhar, carried in World War II. His sister Toni gave it to him when he left for Iraq in January.

"He said, " 'Toni, I promise I'll get it back to you,' " Toni Plouhar, 32, of Lake Orion said Tuesday night.

Sgt. Plouhar, 30, of Lake Orion was killed in combat Monday by an improvised explosive device, or IED, in the Anbar province of Iraq, according to the Department of Defense.

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His mother, Cindy Plouhar, 51, said her son was scheduled to return home at the end of July. He was deployed to Iraq with his unit in January for his second tour. His work as a Marine recruiter in Michigan was featured in Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11."

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[bluestateguy]

1. If you're in Iraq long enough, eventually you get killed or wounded

nt

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[PA Democrat]

3. Wonder if he got sent to Iraq for failing to meet his recruitment goal?

Doesn't the military threaten recruiters with deployment if they don't make their quota of new recruits?

[tabasco]

9. Recruiters are generally troops with outstanding records in other areas.

They are not punished if they are not successful as recruiters. Usually, they are sent back to the same kind of unit they came from.

[laruemtt]

4. was he the dark-haired or the light-haired one

in F9/11? it seemed to be like a game to them when they were recruiting at "the other mall." sad. when will it all stop?

[Ilsa]

5. He said this in the movie:

His appearance generated buzz when Marine Corps officials accused Moore's production company of duping the recruiting unit into cooperating. In the film, he is shown recruiting at a Flint mall, saying, "It's better to get them when they're in ones and twos, and work on them that way."

[laruemtt]

6. thanks, Ilsa.

i'll have to watch the dvd again. haven't watched it in about two months. what an insane pointless loss of life.....

[saigon68]

7. What goes around

Comes around

[Botany]

8. Blessings and prayers for his soul and his family & friends

U.S. Marine Staff Sgt. Raymond J. Plouhar :patriot:

:cry:

How manyt more George, how many?

[tabasco]

10. RIP SSGT Plouhar and sympathy to the family.

Dead in Iraq, where he never should have been.

[grytpype]

11. pic from f911

Don't know if the Marine in the foreground is the party in question.

[laruemtt]

12. i remember screaming (quietly)

in the movie, "Run, kid, run! don't listen to the lies!"

[Moderator]

13. kick

[uppityperson]

34. RIP and comment for person I'm responding too

cool, your username is "Moderator", nice.

Anyway, RIP to dead soldier. Whomever he/she is, whatever politics they hold. It is too bad you had to die for this occupation.

[Barrett808]

14. Marine in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' killed in Iraq

DETROIT - A Marine and one-time recruiter who appeared in Michael Moore's documentary film "Fahrenheit 9/11" has died in a roadside bombing in Iraq.

Staff Sgt. Raymond J. Plouhar, 30, died Monday of wounds suffered while conducting combat operations in Iraq's volatile Anbar province, the Defense Department said Tuesday.

Plouhar, who was stationed at Camp Pendleton, Calif., had taken four years off from active duty to serve as a recruiter in Flint after donating one of his kidneys to his uncle. He is seen in the 2004 film approaching prospective recruits in a mall parking lot.

"It's better to get them when they're in ones and twos and work on them that way," he says in the film.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060628/ap_on_re_us/michigan_recruiter

[debbierlus]

15. Sad.

Just plain sad.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

16. My condolences to his family

I admire his courage, honor and integrity in actually enlisting himself and putting himself on the frontline for his country. And he did a noble deed in donating his kidneys to his uncle. My condolences to his family

[Lerkfish]

17. I fear such will be the fate of ALL our armed men and women UNLESS

we get the flock out of Iraq immediately.

[rocktivity]

18. What I remember most about that scene of the recruiters in the mall

was the snarky Village People disco music Mike played underneath because they were in full dress uniform.

Did he give everything he had for his country, or what?

:(
rocknation

[Bandit]

21. If you mean dying for an illegal war of aggression

for the GOP as giving all for his country then I guess so but I won't say it myself.

[Bake]

24. That's a cheap shot.

Yes, he gave his all for his country. Like it or not, the United States HAS to have a military, and that means SOMEBODY has to serve in it. He enlisted to do so. Whether or not you agree with the particular action in which the military is engaged, he was serving his country. Take out your anger on the politicians who sent him to Iraq, not on the soldier who gave his all.

Bake

[LiberalHeart]

25. I took Bandit's remark to mean the war is not for our country.

If it's not, then giving up one's life for it is not giving up one's life for the country. It's a word thing -- not a philosophical one -- just trying to be accurate. At least that's how I saw it.

[Ferret Annica]

27. He died an empty meaningless death

for corporate fascism and their game of manipulating the oil business for a rich profit and tighter controls on Middle Eastern oil. These wealthy capitalists would never send their own kids to fight, and if it is so damn important for national defense, lead by example, dammit. Not sending Jr. and Missy boarding school says it all.

We have a growing schism between the haves and have nots, with a memory of a robust middle class somewhere in the mix. I went to war in Panama for a meaningless war for Bush Sr. Fortunately I didn't die for it as this poor man and thousands of others have done.

People may not be able to handle the truth, but HE DIED FOR A MEANINGLESS WAR!

Open your damn eyes people! Even if the truth hurts as it does here.

[VolcanoJen]

29. Indeed.

I'm very sorry for Sgt. Plouhar and his family.

While watching the recruiting techniques used in "Fahrenheit 9/11", I was more than a little disturbed, but the country does need a military and the military does need recruiters.

Recruiters have used questionable techniques and untruths long, long before the Iraq War started. They really do have to stretch to fulfill quotas in a volunteer military, and especially so during an unpopular and horrific war.

All of my anger rests with the leaders of this nation who are responsible for sending and keeping our young men and women into war for reasons that are still unknown.

[RamboLiberal]

23. Remember how they had to go to the low scale mall

Cause they knew that the kids in the upscale mall would not sign up. Only the poor kids who through need or their sense of patriotism or both would sign up for the Marines.

[LostinVA]

35. And going up to the young guy with the family

And trying to guilt him into joining for the good of his family... ugh. Until that film, I never realized military recruiters were snake oil salesmen.

[Ferret Annica]

19. More blood on Bush's hands

All troops should be pulled out, and the evil men who expect them to die to further corporate fascism should be in custody and on trial in the Hague for their war crimes.

I didn't watch Mike Moore's movie because frankly I can't stand the guy - Alex Jones makes way more sense then Moore anyway - but this is still sad in any event.

[w4rma]

20. Another good man wasted by this BS. (nt)

[Supersedeas]

22. more sad condolensces

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. I wish he had at least died for a worthy cause, but he didn't.

[wakeme2008]

28. I do not feel sorry for him

He conned a lot of poor kids into signing up for Bush's War...

[jseankil]

30. He was a kid and was probably conned himself. /nm

nm

[Up2Late]

31. How sad, but I think Helen Thomas said it best last night on TDS

We're 4 years into a war, and nobody can really say why. (not an exact quote).

[gasperc]

32. crap, I live in Oxford, MI just N of Lake Orion

this poor guy lived in the city next door to mine, they have a vetern's memorial on a corner downtown.

[CBHagman]

33. How horrible.

I simply hate this. God rest his soul.

[ohiosmith]

36. Karma can be a bitch.

[zreosumgame]

37. my sympathies to the family...

:(