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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:46 PM
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40 Arrested at L.A. Urban Garden Eviction -Daryl Hannah chained to tree!
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 05:58 PM by Breeze54
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/13/ap/national/mainD8I7ICA87.shtml
40 Arrested at L.A. Urban Garden Eviction
L.A. sheriff's deputies arrest more than 40 people during eviction at urban community garden

LOS ANGELES, Jun. 13, 2006
By JACOB ADELMAN Associated Press Writer



(AP) Sheriff's deputies evicted people from an urban community garden to make room for a warehouse Tuesday, touching off a furious protest in which actress Daryl Hannah and others climbed into a walnut tree or chained themselves to concrete-filled barrels. More than 40 people were arrested.

Authorities cut away branches and used a fire truck to bring down the "Splash" actress and another tree-sitter, who raised their fists as they were removed. Hannah was arrested.

"I'm very confident this is the morally right thing to do, to take a principled stand in solidarity with the farmers," she said by cell phone before the fire truck raised officers into the tree.

About 350 people grow produce and flowers on the 14 acres of privately owned land, in an inner-city area surrounded by warehouses and railroad tracks. The garden has been there for more than a decade, but the landowner, Ralph Horowitz, now wants to replace it with a warehouse.

At daybreak Tuesday, 120 deputies, some with batons and riot helmets, showed up to serve an eviction order that a judge signed last month. Deputies used saws to cut down the chain-link fence around the site.

Dozens of protesters chanted, "We're here and we're not going to leave!" in Spanish, blew whistles and blocked traffic in the surrounding streets. Protesters linked arms and sat on the tracks. Officers dragged some protesters away.

Inside the garden, firefighters had to cut free protesters who had chained themselves to the walnut tree, barrels filled with concrete and a picnic table. Deputies slowly pulled people out from among the avocados, sunflowers and other produce.

More.....

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I signed a petition to try to help them keep the garden.
Sorry to hear the petitions didn't work.

:-(
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:49 PM
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1. This whole deal stinks to high heaven
They had the funding...

I'm thinking of swinging past here on my way home from work tonight...

So sad.
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3rdPartyVoter Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:38 AM
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22. Wish they could keep the area green....
...but if they want to farm that land, then they need to buy it.

The last thing the LA area needs is more concrete, but can you blame the guy for selling his valuable chunk of property?

Daryl and her other sister Daryl should pony up some cash if they want to let these folks to continue gardening.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:56 AM
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32. There is a progressive way to go about things
and a regressive one.

The owner of this property is not suddenly aware that it is being used as a garden. He knew it and allowed it for over a decade. That makes him a good steward and a progressive for lending space for green in a concrete jungle. Now, to decide to concrete over the place and make a warehouse is certainly his right, but I fail to see how a man of conscience wouldn't do everything in his power to compromise. It seems they came up short in funding. Why didn't he work with them? I am sure his working WITH THEM to appeal to other groups would have been successful. He could have been proactive in the process. Instead he let his greed get in the way and it has come to this. He wanted non-profits to make him a multi-millionaire. So much for philanthropy.

I am not sure what you have against Ms. Hannah but I have my suspicions that you intended to put her down with your Newhart reference. Rather childish, but then it seems like it's RW fun to mock celebrities who demonstrate that they have a conscience, so have at it. I personally think it is admirable to fight for causes you believe in.

I also feel that America has been reduced to the lowest common denominator... greed. We've stopped caring about eachother and now only care about what we can accumulate. Bush has been very successful in his attempts to kill the New Deal. You can see it everywhere.


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:07 PM
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37. The Annenberg Foundation
Gave them the money... the owner wouldn't accept their offer... the whole deal just reeks.

This plot of land fed familes here... what a mess.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:53 PM
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2. A new protest song: Joan Baez - she shall overcome
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article601333.ece

A new protest song: Joan Baez - she shall overcome
A veteran of 40 years of demonstrations, the American folk singer's latest campaign
involves camping in a tree to save a 14-acre farm from the developers.

Andrew Buncombe reports
Published: 26 May 2006

If the words of the song came easily to Joan Baez it was because she has been singing them most of her life.
Standing in front of an ageing walnut tree threatened - along with the land on which it stood -
by developers in Los Angeles,
the veteran folk singer jammed her hands in the front pockets of her jeans and sang:
"No, no, no nos moverán. No, no, no nos moverán."

For the mainly Hispanic farmers and gardeners hoping to prevent the 14-acre site known as
South Central Farm from being sold to developers
, the presence this week of the silver-haired Baez
and her Spanish rendition of the protest anthem "We Shall Not be Moved" has boosted their efforts
to save their community garden. For Baez, now aged 65, it is just the latest protest in a lifetime
of demonstration and campaigning.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:32 AM
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29. Neil Young's After the Garden (is gone)
After the Garden

won't need no shadow man
runnin' the government
won't need no stinkin' war
won't need no haircut
won't need no shoe shine

after the garden is gone
after the garden is gone
after the garden is gone

what will people do?
after the garden is gone
what will people say?
after the garden

won't need no strong man
walkin' through the night
to live a weak man's day
won't need no sunshine
won't need no purple haze

after the garden is gone
after the garden is gone
after the garden is gone

where will people go?

after the garden is gone
what will people know?

after the garden

after the garden is gone
after the garden is gone

(we live in the garden of eden, yeah
don't know why we wanna tear the whole thing to the ground
we live in the garden of eden, yeah
don't know why we wanna tear the whole thing down

and we've got to get ourselves
back to the garden)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:34 PM
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3. I'm sick about this because it's
indicative of the way the Planet is going. Thank you, Daryl Hannah for standing with the inner city gardeners!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:59 PM
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4. Yeah, like we all need more warehouses! NOT!! n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 07:00 PM by Breeze54
:sarcasm:
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:02 PM
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5. I'm sitting here . . .
. . . eating some vegetables and herbs I got at the garden on Sunday. This was a place of such rare beauty and community. A peaceful and loving place in the midst of the concrete jungle. I would not weep at the loss of any Los Angeles landmark. Just buildings. But the farm was something that was special beyond belief. A place where though I started going there only a week ago, was the first time I felt at home in this city. I can only imagine the grief of the families who were there for years and years, tending their small piece of La Tierra Sagrada with love and wisdom. It wasn't just a garden that was destroyed, but a community and a way of life. And hope. Small children learned how to grow their own food. Dozens of foods and medicines, seeds lovingly collected from year to year, rare plants not found anywhere else in this country - destroyed today by bulldozers and chain saws.

The person who did this is not even a human. Were I to believe in the death penalty, I would consider such a thing to be too good and easy for him. May he rot in his own hatred and anger.

The sadness I feel at this loss is beyond my capacity for words.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:01 PM
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14. The destruction of a community is a terrible thing. n/t
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BrownOak Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:27 AM
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63. So who is the person who did this????
Look, I'm on the other side of the country but I'm sure that the community farm is everything you say it is in terms of beauty and value to the community. But look at this from the perspective of Horowitz, the guy who owns the land.

In 1986 he owns a valuable chunk of real estate in LA and the city takes it from him under eminent domain, compensating him $4.7 million. The terms of the seizure call for a right of first buy-back for the original owners if the land wasn't used. The land doesn't get used as the original incinerator use is opposed by local residents and the city either sells or leases the land to the Port Authority. If they sold the land they violated the terms of the original seizure order. If they leased the land it's a little more murky. But either way, the city enters into a deal to sell the land back to Horowitz and they eventually do just that.

Horowitz announces his plans for development and the farmers take him to court to delay development. At some point Horowitz and the farmers reach an agreement to sell the land providing the farmers can come up with the $16M market price by May 22. When they don't meet that deadline Horowitz announces plans to continue on with the development. Now, a few weeks after the deadline, the farmers and the city announce a deal for the full asking price was delivered to Horowitz and he refused it.

But what's not clear regarding the "full asking price" are the associated terms of that offer. Horowitz claims that the offer was for $10M if he would loan himself the asking price for up to 18 months while the Trust for Public Land tried to come up with the rest of the money.

All the time this is going on, Horowitz is spending $30K a month for taxes, insurance, and other fees. At the same time, he says he's subjected to anti-semitic remarks from those who are trying to save the land for the farmers. So you can call him a greedy bastard if you like, but personally it seems like the guy is getting abused here for the crime of being rich.

Flip the situation around and pretend that the city seized those 14 acres from poor homeowners under eminent domain and then when the plans for that land fell through they leased the land for a dollar a year to someone to build a warehouse on it. Do you think you would be arguing for the city to return that land to the original owner instead of the developer? I know I would.

It's the city government that's screwed this up. If they wanted to develop some urban gardens then they should have done it on land where there wasn't a title dispute in the first place.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:07 PM
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6. here in LA this has been a terrific struggle-apparently, a
warehouse?! of some sort will be built on this land-and why?! what the hell for? There are plenty of lots that haven't been used for decades in LA-all over the city.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:15 PM
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7. It's amazing how many people don't understand property rights.
I own the land, I pay the mortgage, I allow you to farm it for !% FUCKING YEARS and then I want to actually use the land and you ungrateful fucks protest? PISS OFF!

If Daryl Hannah and the rest of these Hollywood hypocrites want to help, pony up the cash and buy land and donate it.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:40 PM
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8. Do I sense you're missing a :sarcasm:
:sarcasm:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:52 PM
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Wow. It's fellow Dems like you that make me proud.
And I *will* add the :sarcasm:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:21 AM
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20. You assume he's actually a Dem.
NT!

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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. of course anyone brown HAS to be illegal!
and deserves a beating to boot! Of course! It makes so much sense.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:37 AM
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60. adios
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:20 AM
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19. Yeah, legally he's in the right.
But he, and you, are fucking heartless.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:15 PM
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42. may your own home be demolished under eminent domain n/t
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
52. I would say something about your character.......
but your own words are so much more enlightening.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:53 AM
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65. FYI-They did try and buy the land!
That's why this sucks so badly! The bastard won't sell to them and take his millions and go away. Instead he wants to deliberately punish these people and make them suffer to the nth degree. What a cretin! :grr:

I grew up in the L.A. area and I never knew about that garden before now, but I tell ya, considering how L.A. is a concrete jungle from end to end, that little garden sounds like an much needed oasis!

I just don't understand the cruelty of people on this earth. It simply boggles the mind. :crazy:
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BrownOak Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 02:14 PM
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67. That's up for debate
Apparently they reached an agreement to buy the land for market value (~$16M) but the agreement had a May 22 deadline. As of that date they had raised just $6M. It's been reported that they came back to the owner recently with a $16M deal but, according to the owner, that deal was essentially $10M in cash and a structure where the owner would loan the balance to himself while the group tried to raise the remaining balance.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:27 PM
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10. Media whoring.
I mean, c'mon. With the wealth of some of those people, why didn't they just pony up the money and buy the property?

Deforestation of the South American rain forest is one thing... a 12 acre plot of land in California is another thing.

When was the last time Daryl Hannah made the cover of People magazine anyways (or even starred in a movie).
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speedingbullet Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:40 AM
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30. Kill Bill Vol. II
I don't know if she 'starred' but Daryl Hannah was great as El Driver in Kill Bill Vol. II. Wonder if she did her own whistling.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:30 AM
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55. They've raised more than $6 million.
Which is more than the guy paid for it a few years ago. Also, it is important to the people in that community.

BTW, Daryl Hannah isn't doing this for media attention. She actually lives pretty simply and does a lot of work for the environment. I doubt she cares about being on the cover of People magazine.
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BrownOak Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 02:10 PM
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66. $6M is way short of the market value
The guy paid $5M for it but that was only after he was forced to sell it to the city for $4.7M. He also bought it back for $5M but had to agree to give up 2.6 acres of it in the process. Along the way, over the last 3 years he's been paying $30K a month in taxes, insurance, and other fees while fighting this in court.

As I said earlier, if this had been the other way around, and the city had originally seized the property of those 350 families to build an incinerator, and then when the plans failed the city decided to lease the land to a developer for $1 a year, people would be up in arms over their actions. But because the person who would be getting screwed here is a rich guy he's fair game.

If the city wanted to establish a community garden they should have done so on land where they held a clear title.
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:56 PM
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13. perfect time for EMINENT DOMAIN
take the sucker's land and give it to the people-!!
What you don't USE you LOOSE--

A garden helps the community more than a slab of concrete-

In a World of 6.6 Billion people we will soon all need to find land to grow on...
no matter how rich and exclusive some of us may think we are...you watch!


That's the ONLY way Eminent Domain law should be ever used-to help protect the best interest of the actual people OF the specific community--not for tax revenue.

anyone with me on that?











didn't think so
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:02 AM
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15. Then you must agree he gets to keep it, the city already took it once
through Eminent Domain.

Before the creation of the garden, the land belonged to nine different owners the largest of which was Alameda-Barbara Investment Company, a real-estate firm which purchased its share in 1980. The company held 80% of the property that would become the present urban garden. <1> The city of Los Angeles acquired the land, by eminent domain, in 1986 for the purpose of building a waste-to-energy incinerator known as the Los Angeles City Energy Recovery Project. This idea was abandoned due to community opposition, led by Juanita Tate and Concerned Citizens of South-Central Los Angeles.

The final order of condemnation under eminent domain included a right to repurchase the land should the city sell it for non-public or non-housing purposes within ten years of the condemnation for the largest land owner, Alameda-Barbara Investment Company. The City sold the property to the L.A. Harbor Department in 1994.

July 1994 the Harbor Department granted a revocable permit to the L.A. Regional Food Bank – a private, nonprofit food-distribution network housed across the street from the Lancer site – to occupy and use the site as a community garden.

In 2001, Ralph Horowitz, a partner in former property owner Alameda-Barbara sued the City for breach of contract, for failure to honor the original right of repurchase.<2>

In 2003, the City of L.A. settled with Horowitz. The sale was for $5,050,000<3>, which was well below market value for the property. Horowitz agreed to donate 2.6 acres of the site for a public soccer field, as part of the settlement. The City Council discussed and approved the terms of the settlement in closed session.

Shortly thereafter the Los Angeles regional Foodbank abandoned the project. In response the farmers formed an organization calling themselves the 'South Central Farmers Feeding Families.'

On January 8, 2004, Horowitz issued a notice to the gardeners setting February 29, 2004, as the termination date for the community garden. In response members of the South Central Farmers Feeding Families obtained legal counsel (Hadsell & Stormer, Inc., and Kaye, Mclane & Bednarski LLP) and filed a lawsuit seeking to invalidate the sale of the property. The Los Angeles County Superior Court issued a temporary restraining order and later a preliminary injunction halting development of the property until the lawsuit could be settled. The farmers lost the lawsuit.

Horowitz sought $16.3 million for the property, more then three times the price he paid for it two years ago.<4> In a deal brokered in cooperation by The Trust for Public Land, the SCF have successfully raised a little over six million dollars. Fundraising efforts continued as farmers and celebrities have begun both a tree sitting campaign and occupation of the land, while under the threat of forced eviction by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department. <5[br />
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:59 AM
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27. As gas prices rise, food prices will rise as well...
This little green space that once was, that provided produce for a lot of people and now will be removed, will be thought of longingly.

As the food riots begin, I'm sure mr. horowitz will realize his mistake when he sits in his empty warehouse.

Fools take many forms.

Our death as a society and as a civilization will be because we forgot about what is good for the community.

Adding to the blight of an already blighted area, helps no one.

Our planet dies one acre at a time.
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. some great points--many of us overlook these things too easily---n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:51 AM
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26. not one bit, if the city wants it they can pay fair market value
for it at today's value. not what they paid originally when they first took it using eminent domain.
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:12 PM
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41. Yes. This garden has been a boon to an otherwise blighted area.
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 01:14 PM by noel adamson
Certainly eligible for acquisition by the city.

I also think the federal government owes the people of South Central L.A. big time for flooding it with crack cocaine during the Reagan-Bush administration.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:26 AM
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16. Hollywood celebs and others did raise $$$$ to purchase the land!
http://www.southcentralfarmers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=9
What we are about?
Synopsis of the history of the 14-acre urban garden located at 41st and Alameda Streets

Trust For Public Land Drafting Legal Documents For Developer Horowitz Today
Los Angeles - Thursday, 08 June 2006
“The Trust For Public Land is continuing to work with the seller and private funders
to negotiate a transaction to purchase the community farm. The Trust For Public Land
is working today on developing an offer to present to the seller,” states Bob Reid,
of the Trust For Public Land.

Yesterday the Annenberg Foundation presented a letter of intent to the developer pledging
a substantial amount of money strengthening The Trust for Public Land's position to purchase
the South Central Farm.
For more information and to make donations, go to www.southcentralfarmers.com


==============================

SOUTH CENTRAL FARMERS
Friday June 9

Trust for Public Lands Says Talks Are On With Developer
L. A. Mayoral Staff Issues Public Support
Community Group L.A. Alliance for a New Economy In Solidarity


Los Angeles –
Significant funding to purchase the South Central Farm has now been pledged.

The Trust for Public Land publicly stated that lines of communication between all
parties remain open and everything is moving towards the same goal:
the sale of the property on behalf of the farmers.

"If there is a chance to mediate the situation the Mayor will do what he can to settle this,"
said Larry Frank, Los Angeles Deputy Mayor at a Thursday night farm prayer vigil.
"Don’t give up hope, no one can predict how this will end."


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Hollywood celebs and others did raise $$$$ to purchase the land!
Sounds like Horowitz raised the price!





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lower9thWard Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:39 AM
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17. Greed
Looks like the greedy putz is vastly overpaying for the property. He should be in foreclosure by this time next year.
Kudos to you Daryl Hannah!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:51 AM
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18. Seems that way!
This is all over all my news channels this morning and they played this video. (I think)
It looked like the cops were hitting people with billy clubs!

Link to the video of the eviction
LAPD officers evict Urban farm dwellers
http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=20123@kcbs.dayport.com

Deputies Begin Evicting South L.A. Farmers
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_164092146.html


Btw? Welcome to DU! :hi:

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:28 AM
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21. Reporter at that first link is full of shit.
He's lying - or repeating the lies from Horowitz without correction - that "the farmers wanted it for free" (untrue, money was offered) and that Horowitz "doesn't know what he'll put on the property (warehouse).

Ahhhhhhh, media in the United States.

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #18
44. it was pretty bad and with ruthlessness-just another super greedy
owner--and for what? yet another warehouse here in LA, unattended and NOTHING in it?!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:12 AM
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62. Welcome to DU!
Nice first post.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:06 AM
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23. bullshit
So the gov can use eminent domain to take land from the people and give it to developers but cannot do the same in return? The farmers raised the fair market value of the property, the owner should have been compelled to sell and STFU.

The thing that pisses me off about this is that it says property rights trump anything else. There is no other consideration, if a man so happens to amass the kind of wealth that he can buy up entire blocks of residential flats then he has the right to evict those people as he wills it? I don't think so.

I'm probably a bit on the extreme side about this but I'm feeling a bit Marxist on the issue, "property is theft." I know there are going to be some exceptions but for the most part, show me a man of great wealth and I'll show you someone who stood on a mountain of broken lives to get there. How many of the filthy rich come by their fortunes honestly?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:41 AM
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61. How many of the filthy rich come by their fortunes honestly?
Hardly any
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:59 AM
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24. Reminds me of when Kings use to kill starving peasants for
hunting on their land. Now we get the cops to evict peasants for growing food on the landlord's land. Rule of law doesn't seem to make much of a difference. In the end the outcome is the same. The peasants are still starving.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:23 AM
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25. The future...a few people struggling to save small green spaces
That is where we are headed. As big development takes away land access from the people.

Housing developments with Home associations prevent home owners from having gardens.

Big corporations by up land and prevent small economic development and local production.

Ever day more land is made unavaialbe to the public for use to grow and to play.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:16 AM
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28. Can the garden be relocated?
If LA is anything like Detroit, there is vacant land all over the place, and lots of it is owned by the city. There are some neighborhoods here that plant vegetable gardens on vacant lots to help prevent hunger and malnutrition in the neighborhood. They usually do this through the neighborhood organizations, which are connected to the city government.

I'm big on compromising and finding alternatives in these kind of situations.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:28 AM
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34. Check out the Satellite View...
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 10:28 AM by depakid
of the garden and the surrounding community from 10km up:

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:38 AM
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35. All those ugly rooftops with no vegetation in most of the frame
Why don't we put gardens on top of them?

It's only partly a rhetorical question, I understand the expense involved in re-engineering buildings to handle the weight, water, and traffic; but what a waste of space!!!
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:14 PM
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47. Yep. And a missed opportunity to fight smog (Global Warming)
Calhoun School Green Roof Learning Center:
http://www.greenroofs.com/projects/pview.php?id=67

A Growing Rooftop Resource
by Monica E. Kuhn
http://www.life.ca/nl/45/roofs.html

Advice
Roof gardens and balconies
Restrictions
http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profiles0503/roof_gardens.asp
"Before designing any roof garden it is essential to check with an architect or structural engineer how much weight the roof can take, whether planning permission is needed and also to check whether or not the roof is waterproof."
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:12 PM
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45. LA is big and spread out- it could be re-located but probably
not near the people who tend the garden. We have a community garden here in Santa Monica, it is off limits (so far, for many years)to developers.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:53 AM
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31. This represents a common perception problem
Somehow land that is not occupied by a building belongs to everybody. Rural residents run into this problem a lot. Have you ever maintained a farm road only to have it torn to pieces in an afternoon by a bunch of kids on ATVs? In this case, the guy owns the land and is within his rights to do whatever he wants as long as he meets zoning ordinances. It's too bad, but that's the way it is. I think the thing to do now is to take the collected funds and buy a nearby piece of vacant land at a fair price.
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Abathar Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:46 AM
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36. Good idea
Actually it is cheaper to buy old, blighted property, rip it out and bring back in topsoil than it is to try and buy "virgin" land. You could buy an abandoned factory, demo it, and bring in good topsoil far cheaper than most people think. Transplant the trees even, they have to be ripped out, just hire a tree mover, within a year you could have exactly what was there somewhere else. I live on 20 acres with a lake on the property, people think that if you own a lake that everyone has the right to use it, I have thrown enough redneck fishermen off my property now that I usually find myself seeing things from the owners point of view, and not the trespassers.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:06 AM
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33. Post the information on whoever wants to build the warehouse.
Let's run a campaign on line to make them build a warehouse elsewhere.
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:04 PM
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39. Ralph Horowitz office 310 440-7878 (owner)
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 01:08 PM by noel adamson
Horowitz is the current owner and I think he wants to sell it to someone who wants to "develop" it.

Here are addresses of the farmer's websites;

http://www.southcentralfarmers.com/
http://www.southcentralfarmers.org/

They are already bulldozing this beautiful South Central symbol of hope.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:36 PM
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43. Weird -- why would he care what they do with it if he gets his money?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:34 PM
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49. He has 'principles'
he doesn't want anyone decent to give him the money and make use of the land. :eyes: He's a fucking disgusting piece of shit! :puke:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:13 PM
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46. he IS selling it-he wanted a bucketload of $$ for it and is getting it
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:59 PM
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38. audio of interview with South Central farmer
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:25 PM
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48. THESE FARMERS OFFERED TO BUY THE LAND-owner didn't want to sell to them
in the audio she says CNN got an interview with Darrel Hanna.
...she also says bulldozers are comming


http://southcentralfarmers.com/

http://southcentralfarmers.org/

****they're cutting trees that are protected by Law--!!

send a letter to all the politicians here:


http://www.southcentralfarmers.com/politicianform.php
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:59 PM
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50. Apparently their money wasn't good enough
since it was tainted with the stench of greed. x(
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:16 PM
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51. greed?...greedy farmers? in South Central? money is money right?
:shrug:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:42 AM
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56. One would think ...
but apparently he wouldn't sell it to anyone who didn't have the same 'ideals' as himself. The farmers were taking care of the land, that greedy scumsucker would rather have a stinking warehouse (just another ugly building) than something green and growing that feeds people. Horwitz and his type make me :puke:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:27 AM
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59. Sorry ...
no wonder you were confused I didn't realize till much later that I had left off half the word and it was supposed to be that the farmers were NOT greedy. I suck at proofreading my posts. :spank:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:05 PM
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58. Ops
Geeesh I just realized I left a couple letters out of this post it was supposed to say their money WASN'T tainted with greed. :blush:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:44 PM
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53. Daryl Hannah chained to tree....Now that is a sexy image...need a smoke
yeah, this reply will be pulled in 3....2....1...
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humus Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:53 PM
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54. ...
To forget how to dig the earth and
to tend the soil is to forget ourselves.
-Mahatma Gandhi
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:42 AM
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57. that's great!-you should use it as your sig line
if you go to options at the top --with all the icons-the 9th one-then go to edit profile--scroll to signature
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:37 AM
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64. Way to go Daryl
probably wouldn't have made the news without her there.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:38 PM
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68. I support Ms. Hannah and her efforts 100% and
you can chain me to a tree with her anyday.
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