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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:22 AM
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New jobs will go to India, Bush warns US
Washington, April 19: President George W Bush has warned the country's schoolchildren that if they did not have the skills needed to compete with their counterparts from India and China, new jobs would go to those countries.

The President was addressing a magnet school in Rockville, Maryland, on Tuesday, stressing among other things, the criticality of such subjects as Mathematics and Science.

"If you're living in Midland, Texas, or living in Montgomery County, Maryland, it's important to understand, if children don't have those skill sets needed to compete with a child from India or a child from China, the new jobs will be going there," Bush told the students.

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http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=66321
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and when the children with better 'skill sets' (ugh!) in india start demanding higher wages, new jobs will go to africa.

fucking monkey. he's scaring little kids now.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:25 AM
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1. sickening
he is just completely clueless
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:40 AM
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74. And they dared to call Clinton a waffler and Kerry a flip-flopper.
Bush has done more to undermine our education system in Math and Science than any other president by bending to the will of the Intelligent Design/Creationist, by gagging our scientists and by keeping real science from the public in regards to imporant information like global warming.

What a bastard.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:00 PM
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94. skills my ass. the key is, will you work for ten cents an hour.
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smacky44 Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:46 PM
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112. Look, i have worked with several people from India. They are nice enough
but not any brighter or more hard-working than the rest of the people in my organization. Bush is leading the American children into a morass of low self-esteem by using such threats and building unnecessary resentment among them to boot.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:26 AM
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2. Can we outsource Bush to ...
India or China?
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:10 AM
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66. a little grim humor
;) someone else was thinking the same thing:

>Washington D.C. - Congress today announced that the Office of President of
>the United States will be outsourced to overseas as of August 30. The move
>is being made to save $400K a year in salary, a record $521 Billion in
>deficit expenditures and related overhead.

>"The cost savings will be quite significant" says Congressman Adam Smith
>(R-Wash) who, with the aid of Congress research arm, the General Accounting
>Office has studied outsourcing of American jobs extensively. "We simply can
>no longer afford this level of outlay and remain competitive on the world
>stage," Congressman Smith said. Exporting American jobs has been a popular
>trend lately, ironically at the urging of President Bush.

>Mr. Bush was informed by email this morning of the termination of his
>position. He will receive health coverage, expenses and salary until his
>final day of employment. After that, with a two week waiting period, he
>will then be eligible for $240 a week from unemployment insurance for 13
>weeks.

>Unfortunately he will not be able to receive state Medicaid health
>insurance coverage as his unemployment benefits are over the required
>limit. "I'm in shock," Mr. Bush stated. "I thought for sure I'd have some
>job security around this here place. I have no idea what I'll do now," he
>further lamented.

>Preparations have been under way for some time for the job move.

>Sanji Gurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai, India, will be
>assuming the Office of President of the United States as of September 1.
>Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his parents were here on
>student visas, thus making him eligible for the position. He will receive a
>salary of $320 USD a month but with no health coverage or other benefits.

>Due to the time difference between the US and India, Mr. Singh will be
>working primarily at night, when offices of the US Government will be open.
>"I am excited to serve in this position," Mr. Singh stated in an exclusive
>interview. "Working nights will let me keep my day job at the American
>Express call center. I always knew I could be President someday."

>Congress stressed patience when calling Mr. Singh as he may not be fully
>aware of all the issues involved with his new position. A Congressional
>Spokesperson noted that Mr. Singh has been given a script tree to follow
>which will allow him to respond to most topics of concern. The Spokesperson
>further noted that "additional savings will be realized as these scripting
>tools have already been used previously by Mr. Bush here in the US. Such
>scripts will enable Mr. Singh to provide an answer without having to fully
>understand the issue itself."

>Congress continues to explore other outsourcing possibilities including
>that of Vice-President and most Cabinet positions.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:24 AM
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79. Excellent - whoever came up with this this nailed it, lol. n/t
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:27 AM
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3. I guess
that's the boogeyman W's going to use on children now!
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:28 AM
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4. Same dickhead who boasted in a commencement address that C- grades
were good enough for him to become president.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:11 PM
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103. I recall at my sister's law school graduation the speaker said
something to the effect that A students make the best judges and C students make the best lawyers or perhaps vice versa.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:29 AM
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5. So, are we going to outsource the US Presidency too?
I'm just saying, there's plenty of people in India and China that than do a better job than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice....



:shrug:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:33 AM
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6. notice he doesn't tell them that if we don't change the laws
they{the jobs} will go there anyway.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:39 AM
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7. What a sick freak.
Did he ever think that some of these children's parents, with Masters and Ph.D.s, might have had their jobs sent to India?

I can think of a dozen people with highly developed math and science skills who do not make good money anymore because their jobs no longer exist in this country!

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:57 AM
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57. Same here. I know people in their 40s and 50s whose
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 08:57 AM by katinmn
jobs were outsourced to India because of cheap labor.

Guess the workers in other countries that are getting our jobs will be the only ones able to afford all the refridgerators, electronics, cars and such that used to be made here.

Big American companies have turned into middlemen who manage production. In addition to call centers, almost all of our production has gone overseas -- from cars to anything that can be sold.

The raw materials (iron, wood, composites) are shipped to other countries where they have cheap or slave labor who assemble them and then the goods are shipped back here as cheap imports and sold at god-*** Wall-Mart.

When will people wake up??
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:40 AM
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8. Maybe funding education would help, or not cutting student loans
he has a lot of gall saying this stuff.........
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:51 AM
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12. Shrub is an arrogant, mediocre person.
He would never have amounted to anything were it not for his Crime Family's wealth and connections. He is a tool of the Multi-Corps and is in fact Anti-American. If the Dems win a majority in Congress and don't Impeach him then they will be complcit with the RWingers and US corps and Multi-Corps, as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:14 AM
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18. he is a little man.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:53 AM
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55. That should be his epitaph. Perfect. n/t
Disclaimer for Lurking Agents:
This is only a statement of opinion.
I have no knowledge regarding the time Chimpolini will 'buy the farm', or where or how..
(or if he'll even be given a headstone, LOL).
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:46 AM
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9. At this point in our history, *'s admonishment is like telling a kid to
eat all his/her vegetables to grow up to be strong and healthy when you know the kid has a huge malignant tumor. In other words, the fix is in and it wouldn't matter if each student was PhD material. Jobs are going to be outsourced, not for the sake of quality, but so CEOs can squeeze more profits from saving more on labor. Don't get me wrong: China and India in a lot of sectors put more emphasis on education than this country does and a lot of kids are academically more advanced than our kids (NCLB or otherwise). However, it is almost cruel to have * tell kids to work hard to keep jobs in this country as if it were their civic duty and if the jobs still move, it's their fault for not studying hard enough.

I'm pissed.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:47 AM
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10.  As you say "He is a fucking monkey"
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 05:48 AM by saigon68
With a Vapid and Vacant Stare




The expression iS one of a CRACK SMOKER

WHO HAS JUST HAD A BIG RIP

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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:48 AM
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11. Let me give YOU an edumacation Mr. Bush
Here is the real problem George

1. There is, encouraged by the right-wing, widespread anti-intellectualism. It's pervasive in our society.

2. You and the right-wing are anti-science and devalue science. You scoff at long established scientific thought

3. You and the right-wing are doing everything you can to destroy free public education, the very thing that made our country great ( at one time)

4. No Child Left Behind - 'nuf said

5. You and your buddies are cutting funding for higher education. Students and their parents from middle income and down are strapped with massive debt if they even manage to fund their education.

6. You and your neo-con buddies are spending money on wars and killing our kids instead of educating them.

So, I'd say you are the problem, Mr. Bush. ( It's all I can do not to type a string of curse words)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:12 AM
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41. Good post!
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:39 PM
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116. ...
:applause:

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:52 AM
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13. Children do not give themselves skill sets; public education does.
So kids are supposed to be acquiring these skill sets on their own? And of course they should all enlist in the military to earn money for college. When will the recruiters start promising them a posthumous degree to be carved on their headstones. Let's see, for fatalities from IEDs, we'll award an engineering degree; for door-to-door sweeps in Fallujah, it will be an MBA; anyone killed by a car bomb in Baghdad will get summa cum laude. Recent studies have shown that in the good ole' U S of A, top jobs go to those who have elitist family connections. It's not whether you have a degree from a top school, it's whether you have a pissant degree from some party school AND a grandfather, dad or uncle with $$$ and the right political/social connections.

And to the extent that the GOP pushes and funds charter schools, the public schools' budgets are reduced for every kid they lose to a charter school (or the pathetic "home schooling" by unqualified parents). Bush did a crappy job in education for Texas when he was governor. But it was just a rehearsal for how he's screwing every schoolchild in America.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:01 AM
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14. Does he mean answering phone skills..............
the average IQ is higher in the Unites States than that in India, so just exactly what skills is the village idiot talking about? Lying skills, cheating skills, being a spoiled brat skills.....all of the skills that made HIM pResident? What a moron! WHEN will our long national nightmare end? :cry:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:51 AM
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36. "the average IQ is higher in the United States than in India" ?
Source, please!

If your statement is true, shouldn't our little geniuses be saved for loftier positions than answering phones?


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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:01 AM
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15. intelligent design
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:10 PM
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87. Lol!
:D
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:06 AM
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16. "Just like as what's happening in this school," Bush said.
How VERY interesting that he is quoted in an Indian news source, and not a U.S. news source. Since when do Indian news reporters follow Bush into some little school in Rockville, MD.?

PLUS, take a look at this gramatically incorrect quote the Indian source included:

"And so, in order to make sure we remain the leader of the world, we have got to continue our focus in education on high standards, accountability, and a new focus and intense focus on math and science, just like as what's happening in this school," he said.

Bush is the ultimate CRETIN. Even in a speech on education, he sounds like a grade school dropout calling in to some conservative radio talkshow:

". . . .just like as what's happening . . . " It's great that the Indian reporter did not clean up the quote, but let his whole country laugh at Bush's verbal non-skills.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:16 AM
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19. the indian newspaper covers it
because its a supposed gain for india. these days, even if a cat in siberia says something cool about india, the media here throws a day long party. some call it the self-confidence of an emerging giant, i call it vain, petty, and assholic.
in fact, india is one of the few places in the world where the monkey has friends, because of the things (like this one) he says.
come to think of it, send him here. we have SO MANY corrupt and brain dead politshitians here, one more wont make a difference.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:53 AM
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37. Why should India go into mourning....
Because jobs are going their way? I blame those sending them there.

Let me guess--when you get an Indian call center employee, you're extra rude. But you don't bother writing a letter of protest to the corporate crook who made the decision.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 04:07 PM
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99. Duh-uh, Bridget, the poster IS Indian and LIVES in India.
I have noticed you have hair-trigger hostile responses. First, apologize to the Indian poster you attacked, and then try to relax a little.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:42 AM
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52. Hasn't India enough problems?
Are you sure you want shrub, too?

Also, I really don't want Bush in charge of nuclear weapons anywhere.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:13 AM
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17. MAYBE this was part of the package (nuclear energy)
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:18 AM
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20. Well, look who suddenly has a firm grasp on the obvious...
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Dr Batsen D Belfry Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:44 AM
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21. And Intelligent Design disguised as Science helps this HOW??? n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:54 AM
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22. New jobs wil go...
..wherever the CHEAPEST labor can be had. And NO amount of math or science education will make a shit bit of difference.

He's a LYING little monkey.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:23 AM
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24. HIt the nail ON the head.
There are plenty of well-educated, well-trained, and unemployed or underemployed people walking around the US right now. All the education and training in the world won't help you if someone else out there is willing to work for a 1/4, 1/3, or even 1/2 of what you are.

Most of them Know the Chimp's Lies when he spouts them. Teaching these lies to children is just unconscionable.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:30 AM
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47. Yes, and our government allows them to do so
We could use the tax code to punish corporations that act in such a manner, but not with the people who are in power now.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:23 AM
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23. Customer service skills. Yep, our kids aren't even smart enough
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:24 AM by Imalittleteapot
to man the phones of credit card companies. How can they possibly do math and science?

Bush is full of it. He's setting the stage for hiring foreign scientists and mathematicians as indentured servants to big corporations.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:27 AM
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25. What a freaking idiot.
A kid can get the best education money can buy and the job will still go to India if the wages are lower. It's got nothing to do with education and everything to do with corporate greed. Even King George should be bright enough to figure that out.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:30 AM
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26. Threatening children. Bravo, George.
Unbelievable arrogance from someone who barely has any "skill sets" at all. But when you have wealthy and powerful friends and family, you don't really need them.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:14 AM
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42. What he is really telling them is to not waste their time with higher
education because the jobs are going out of the country anyway. But, there's work at WalMart or McDonalds. Take heart.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:34 AM
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27. He should know. He's the facilitator.
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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:34 AM
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49. I thought he was the decider?! *grin*
:rofl:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:23 AM
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61. Yep
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 09:23 AM by mmonk
decider, facillitator, emperor, dictator.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:35 AM
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28. As every sentient person knows ...
jobs are not going to India because of skill sets. They're going to India to take advantage of extremely low wages there.

Maybe someone should let junior in on the secret.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:35 AM
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29. What part of working for
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:35 AM by OnionPatch
two dollars an hour is a "skill" ?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:38 AM
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30. Jobs "will" be going to India and China??
The jobs are "already" there........:grr:
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:38 AM
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31. It doesn't matter because the Rapture is coming!
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:39 AM by Nomen Tuum
This is what happens when the idiots are running the asylum. 90% of the Republicans in Congress really believe the RAPTURE is coming to get them in a week or 2, they do not care at all what happens in the long run.

I really believe the US will not be around in a couple years, we're gonna break into pieces like the USSR.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:40 AM
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32. Those mean old Indians
How DARE they take thousands of American jobs that just dropped in their lap?

How DARE they sign contracts that were facilitiated by the US government? They should have just said NO! to all those lucrative deals by the top US tech corporations.

Bastids.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:56 AM
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38. I agree. Outsourcing is certainly wrong.
But a lot of the complaints against it blame India instead of the corporate crooks. No, no xenophobia here!

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:41 AM
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33. Well, shit, George, they're going there ANYWAY!!
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:43 AM by hatrack
Even if Americans DO have the skills - we're "too expensive" at $5.15 an hour, y'know?

Asshat.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:42 AM
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34. this from such a family privileged C student POS
:puke:

Was he holding hands with Gregory Mankiw as he spewed this crap?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:45 AM
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35. Then we should let a man from India come and run the United
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:46 AM by 0007
States, because junior sure doesn't have any skills of any kind except to make big messes.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:59 AM
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39. So In Other Words: The Glass Ceiling Has Been Lowered
Land of economic oportunity for who?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:11 AM
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40. What B.S. The jobs haven't been going to India because of
"skill sets". It's because workers in India will take the job for a fourth the salary of a comparable American worker. Database administrator in America $80,000. In India $20,000.
When I retired from my company, there were twelve DBA's on site. One year later, ten of the jobs have been outsourced, while the hardware has remained on-site in the U.S.A. (That also means that we could have been telecommuting from our homes instead of driving two hours a day at our own expense.)
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:35 PM
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106. and of course, India's held hostage for the ex-U.S. jobs if they
ask for decent conditions or self-sufficiency--off go the new jobs and infrastructure to Indonesia or Thailand or any nation beggared by previous neolib policies, and down clamp the Western businesses to stymie any domestic markets
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:17 AM
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43. Do people in India do the job better?
or do they do it CHEAPER?

If kids get a great education aren't many still going to lose out if they are forced to compete head to head with someone who will work for a tenth the salary?
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:28 AM
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46. Forced by?
When we all actually fight back against the corporation, not work with and within its reality, then humans might stand a chance. Until then, we'll all just fight ourselves, while the corporation thinks up new ways for us fight harder with ourselves.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:48 PM
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110. I have worked with dozens of Indians in the IT business. With
only one exception, I have found them to be knowledgeable and highly professional. A few do have a more direct, blunt manner of conversing but that is a cultural difference and does not mean that they are belligerent.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:22 AM
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44. There is no India
There is no America. Just land where corporations own humans.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:58 AM
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58. Ah. So true.
:-(
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:15 PM
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114. You get today's Arthur Jensen award for stating the obvious!


:toast:

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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:26 PM
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118. That's the post of the day n/t
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:24 AM
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45. It is time to put the hurt on outscourcing and offshoring.
Many, many industries get tax rebates and other government emoluments in the name of "job creation". The problem is that there are no repercussions for these companies when they kill jobs and send them offshore. I propose a tax penalty, per job offshored, for any company that engages in this practice. In this manner, there will be a negative reinforcement for this behavior on the part of companies and less of the money "saved" will be available for management to skim and put in their greedy pockets.

It is well known that when jobs are offshored, a significent amount of the money "saved" goes to various executive remunieration schemes. Take the personal profit out of it, make it painful and they will think twice. It is perverse that companies continue to get tax breaks on jobs that don't exist in the US. It has to end and it must be painful, to create an aversion on the part of companies.

Bring The Pain. They will understand that.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:33 AM
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48. But won't those jobs go to
go to China and India anyway? :shrug:


Why would they be here for the next generation if companies are allowed to outsource for cheaper labor and not pay a penalty in taxes?
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:40 AM
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50. Even if the kids study math and science....
they are screwed, Bush. An article linked on the same page with Bush's remarks:


US keen to offshore R&D to India

SHISHIR GUPTA
Posted online: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 0507 hours IST
Updated: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 0613 hours IST

R&D SAN FRANCISCO, APRIL 17: Move over Silicon Valley, the new buzzword in the Indo-US lexicon is biotechnology. American biotech companies are keen to off-shore their research and development to India to reduce costs. Facilitating such a move, was the agreement of the bilateral Joint Working Group on Biotechnology on working out protocols for the transfer of bio-materials and clinical trials of medicines to India.

According to Science and Technology Minister Kapil Sibal, the JWG, which is part of the bilateral High Technology Cooperation Group, decided at its April 5 meeting to prepare a roadmap in the next three months for allowing companies to export or import bio-materials without the fear of being hobbled by the Bush administration’s dual use restrictions.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=66255
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:01 AM
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77. And Bush gives biotech companies nice excuses to outsource overseas...
... when they try and "clamp down" here in the U.S. on stem cell research. Can't allow that here. Just let them do it overseas where it will be cheaper anyway! That makes it OK when it's "out of sight, out of mind". Now, Bush is thinking, if we can find a way for the federal courts to strike down California's stem-cell research initiative so that we can complete this strategy. Need to finish off the sell-out so my drug company exec buddies can get richer and make us Rethug party leaders richer too!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:41 AM
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51. skills like "how to live on 1/5 of your current salary"
with classes like "how to live in your car"
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:49 AM
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54. Bingo. I know IT people with tons of skills whose jobs were
outsourced to India. Lots of good those decades of experience and Master's degrees did them.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:34 AM
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62. The future is only painful if one is unwilling or unable to change
Living with less is a curse for others who have more or in charge. Desires are not the same as needs and acquiring skill sets that can get through life are as important as any you can learn in school.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:40 AM
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63. to compete with India requires 1/5 the salary
You would eliminate your desires and pretty much most of your needs on that sort of salary cut.

On 20% of the pay, you really would be living out of your car in most American cities, certainly in the places that would hire software developers.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:13 AM
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69. I am not a software expert but I often wonder about them
Computer software engineers and programmers have many entrepreneurs among their ranks. To me that seems a field one could adapt and grow into all kinds of spheres.

Ten years ago I had no functioning relationship using complex computer diagnostics and Diesel truck repairs. Now 25-30% of my time is spent working on that marriage between the two and my employment situation is more secure than it ever has been (with 30 years as a truck mechanic). Like it's even fun to laugh at the idea my current employer would even think to try and lay me off. I would be able to pick up a job tomorrow if needed.

Yea, I have lived on only 20% of what I make, probably could now but that is not anything I worry about now. The desire to be like others is what often cripples people
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:03 AM
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65. It sounds like you approve of outsourcing even if it destroys
our economy and lives.

Accept it and move on? Learn to live with less? Hell no.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:25 AM
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70. Hell no, I am VIOLENTLY against it
There needs to be a war to stop it. The best way to keep a country secure is to be independent as possible. The traitors selling out the US should all be put in jail if you ask me. I am an independent person that has found that way of being, that way of being independent, is one of the best ways to be, if one wants to prepare for the future.

The corporations are selling everybody out to try and make us all dependent on them as much as possible
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:42 PM
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83. I agree with you about being independent of corporations
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 01:44 PM by katinmn
I am an independent person, and self employed for that very reason.

BUT, we are still affected by government policies that favor corporations over people and create underfunded schools, healthcare, imperialist wars, and ongoing poverty.

While I minimize my participation in corporatism, I am still affected by it, as is my family, my community, my state, my country and the world. No man (or woman) is an island. We are reluctant participants in the bad effects of outsourcing and all the other greedy, destructive things the neocons are doing to this country.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:19 PM
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91. U.S. Corporatism as it is will fail but what will be left of the.........
of the pieces when it does that is the question ? I do know that what is happening is mostly because of greed but greed often has a way of turning around an biting one back in the ass.

As for being independent I only depend on others because it is impossible to function in todays society without going that way. Independence gives me a sense of security and pride that no one can take away. I try to never let others do important or even menial tasks for me or my family if I can do them myself and or my family can help with. I am city dweller that should of been a farmer.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:46 AM
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53. But,but....
we have mangos....
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:54 AM
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56. They're already going there n/t
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:58 AM
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59. What a cock.
What else can be said?

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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:11 AM
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60. Bush*
Bush*, you fscking POS, jobs are already going to India, China, etc. b/c of your administration giving tax breaks/incentives to do so! It has nothing to do w/education.

Republicans/offshorers are traitors to America.


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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:48 AM
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64. Threatening lil children... and Bush is SUPPOSE to be their
protector!!! !@#$%


This just says to all the lil kids

You lazy lil Americans your screwed and I'm going to screw you...

He is truly evil!!!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:13 AM
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67. Poor kids don't know what language to learn because they don't know
which country they'll be traveling to to get their US job. What a slap in the face to those who have lost their IT jobs to India.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:13 AM
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68. Then knock off Creationism, NCLB, standardized testing, etc. and let kids
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 10:13 AM by Roland99
LEARN!!

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borlis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:26 AM
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71. They will go there no matter how skilled US workers are!!!
I worry that my kids will grow up to be college educated McDonalds workers.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:35 AM
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72. "new skills" such as living on $2 a day
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:38 AM
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73. Another lie. According to *, sending jobs to India is good for the economy
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 10:39 AM by FloridaPat
With all the smart people in the US, their jobs have been sent to India. Like Lou Dobbs said a couple of weeks ago - under Clinton the people were very smart and had good jobs. As of 2000, we got too stupid to hold those same jobs.

Under * - for the first time in our history - the educated have been laid off in mass.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:45 AM
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75. And when Wal-Mart goes into the medical business after banking
they'll import Indian and Chinese doctors and nurses and teachers to keep the costs down.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:53 AM
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76. Get India and China to pay a decent wage and see how they compete.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:12 PM
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88. They do pay decent wages
by their standards, atleast the IT jobs going to India...

But being that the economies are still developing, the prevailing wages will be much less...





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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:03 AM
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78. mangos! we'll eat mangos! n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:22 PM
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80. It's like Rome in the last days of the republic.
Aristocrats drove the free-holding peasants who gave the Roman Republic it's early vitality of thier land and replacing them with slaves and serfs. The former free holders moved to the cities were they joined the ranks of the unemployed/underemployed ubrban poor (latin proletarii, literally "those who contribute nothing except children," the origin of our word proletariat) the proletarii were kept under control with, as everyone knows, free bread and circuses. In the West, we have east Asians as our "slaves" and people working McJobs as our proletarii. Instead of contiuting to the state's economy, they became a burden on it. Such disaffected areas are breeding grounds for religousity as they reject the rational secular humanism of the elites they hate (in the Roman Empire this was Stoicism), and move towards mysticism and salvationist cults. The rise of the Religious Right and mysticist cults like Petacostalism is a result of the rejection of an elite that is seen as the cause of all thier trouble, and they are being conned to to the bidding of the people they hate by beng told propaganda about the "Liberul Elite." Marx was wrong that class struggle results in the economic victory of the underdog, it leads to the ultimate collapse of a civilization. The elites sew the civilization's death shrowd of a universal state (like the Roman Empire, and which in our case will be a corporate state run by plutocrats) and the proletariat conquers the civilization spiritually by the creation of a new great religioin that comes to dominate the dying civilization and lays the foundations of the decendant civilization or civilizations.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:37 PM
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96. *BUMP*
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:05 PM
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102. Chilling . . .
In other words, Rome destroyed its middle class. Lou Dobbs speaks often of the "war on the middle class" in this country. Guess what? He's not exaggerating.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:31 PM
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81. and since our schools are reduced to test taking
the jobs will go to India or China. I hope he rots in jail.:grr:
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:59 PM
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82. Well...when you have a dumbass for president...what to you expect.
Hell his "Wife speaks better English" then he does. At least that's what he told the world on a good morning show interview.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:57 PM
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84. It's not about skills...

It's whether you accept a slave's life or not. Period.

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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:03 PM
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85. from the man who cut education to the bone, believes in homeschooling
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 02:03 PM by superconnected
and cut pell grants.

Now he's blaming the people for education, what else do you expect from the hypocrites.

What's next GW, incentives to the corporations moving jobs to india.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:07 PM
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86. There already there!
Thanks to you!!!

So he just opened his mouth and admitted that he plans to send away many more jobs,
but he's just trying to pass off the responsibility on to children, no less!
So I suppose he's blaming all of us adults now for the jobs that are already there?

How completely assinine.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:14 PM
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89. By "skill sets" one can presume he means "will work for low wages"
Score another one for the Cheap Labor Republicans...
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:16 PM
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90. Is our children learning?
This ass hole has no right to speak of the importance of education. His entire life has depended on his name.

And why is he cutting college financial aid?

Education president my ass.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:21 PM
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92. why invest in an engineering degree if you can't reasonably expect...
... any security in an engineering career?

As production jobs move overseas, the engineering jobs eventually follow them. We're seeing that now. A country that allows itself to be stripped of its capacity for making stuff will also lose its place in designing stuff.

Individuals -- students and workers -- can't really do much more than try to adjust to conditions created by much larger and more powerful entities like governments and corporations. Bush has a hell of a nerve blaming this on us.

:eyes:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:51 PM
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93. Utterly irresponsible.
It's not competition when Indian workers are always going to be cheaper. It's not competition when you're giving them the R&D future that we should be getting our hands on. It's not competition because we don't MAKE anything HERE anymore. It's not competition because they're already getting the jump on sciences such as nano- and Bio-technology while were trying to destroy science to believe a story and appease a bunch of toupeed wackjobs with crosses. It's not competition when you enable corporations to displace thousands of American workers either by offshoring or inshoring via tax breaks and loopholes. It's not competition when you have nothing on the near or far horizon to replace the outgoing jobs

What it IS, however, is the destruction of the American middle class, exactly as the well-monied Robber Baron Republican'ts want it. Offshoring helps NO one but the rich and drives down wages in every job they can ship over or bring here. "Everyone in their station and have the good sense to STAY there." A fearful, low paid, divided and powerless middle class is an OBEDIENT middle class.

This isn't about hatred of anyone; Indians are simply embracing the opportunity given to them by our companies.

Unfortunately, know that it comes at a huge human price, one which is going to grow more than dissipate. Come to Northeast Ohio and the ghost-towns that litter it sometime and look at the cost. Go to any of the small towns in America that used to thrive, but now have boarded up weed-infested everything. Look at all the vacant office space in most mid-market cities and tell me how "progressive" it is that this dickhead presidope cares more about the events and markets of countries that start with an "I" than he does our own.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:07 PM
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95. WORST. PRESIDENT. IN. HISTORY.
It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. How many times does this have to be drilled into a freep-trader's brain before he wakes the hell up? It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. Our children can get all the degrees imaginable. You think Asians and Indians can't get those same degrees? Fact remains: They'll always, always ALWAYS be cheaper. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. Corporations refuse to address the problem because they believe there IS no problem. Hard to argue with someone who could burn 500 bucks and make it back by the time you finish reading this sentence, isn't it? It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE. It's COST, not KNOWLEDGE.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:40 PM
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97. He is such an a-moral a-hole.
Words fail me.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:46 PM
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98. Lou Dobbs will likely jump in his koolaid tonight
I'll have to tune in :-)
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 04:09 PM
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100. which is why he's underfunding all of the programs he promised. it's just
vicious... it's his little game of "why do you keep slapping yourself?" with our children.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 04:10 PM
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101. And with Cheney a few weeks ago
saying that Americans are not saving enough, who the f*** clear these speeches? Is Comedy Central writing these speeches? I think the sound you hear in the back is those moderate GOP'ers gulping down shots of whiskey, they know they are toast in November, like a DB who goes up against Jerry Rice in his prime.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:13 PM
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104. new jobs will go to whom ever is willing to work for the least amount of
money - it has nothing to do with intellience - or math and science skill - those are just the ways to kill self esteem - make it seem like you are worthless - it has to do with if they can get someone to work for nothing - they will
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:17 PM
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105. The kids know that is a lie; the US pResident is a moran, C minus
student AT BEST. How did they find out? They looked it up on their cell phones, duh! Let's see Bush text message his friends on a cell phone! Bet he can't!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:41 PM
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107. Blaming Children for his friend's greed is beyond being vile.
He is really just a complete asshole.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:42 PM
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108. Sure he's scaring little kids. Gotta get 'em cowering - early!
BASTARD.

And btw, what does he care, anyway? By then it'll be somebody else's problem. His is just to rape and pillage and sashay off to Crawford and a nice, cushy retirement. BASTARD.

Keep visualizing...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 05:43 PM
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109. $4,000 a year for an Indian Programmer
It's all about MONEY (and benefits). Bush would outsource EINSTEIN for a buck.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:18 PM
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111. what f***ing skills is he talking about?
The IT jobs are moving overseas, depriving already SKILLED engineers and software developers of their livelihoods.
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:51 PM
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113. Jeez.
"that if they did not have the skills needed to compete with their counterparts from India and China, new jobs would go to those countries."
Hey, dipshit Dimson, does that mean a child from China or India can come over here and take over your job and you can JUST GO AWAY to India or China and stay there permanently and get some education and then work for two dollars an hour? Really, really work, hard work! 'Cause they work real hard, something you've never had to do a day in your priviledged life.
Mofo!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:23 PM
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115. Holy Shit. An earthquake of magnanimous proportions
must be about to strike in the middle of Arizona. I actually agree with something George Bush said!

So, he's identified a problem. Let's see what he's going to do about it. Maybe, he should start a program that leaves no child behind. A program that ensures all children receive the high quality education they need and deserve by paying teachers a good wage and raising the bar on educational standards and allows teachers to teach information needed to survive in the real world and not just teach to a test. Oh, and, he should actually fund it with the veracity of which he has funded the destruction of Mesopotamia.

What? There's no oil in school? Ah, well. There goes that idea.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:46 PM
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117. Even if they have the skill sets
their jobs are not fully guarenteed.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:32 PM
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119. And 10 years from now, when these kids have masters degrees
yet are relegated to working in Home Despot...What then, Dumbfuck?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:45 AM
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120. Yet his people said in Feb 2004 outsourcing was a GOOD thing
Can't have it both ways, chimpboy...what kid wants to go into a field that will be outsourced. I can round up several thousand adult Texans who took math/science seriously as kids and look where it got them..unemployed from layoffs/outsourcing.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm

The movement of U.S. factory jobs and white-collar work to other countries is part of a positive transformation that will enrich the U.S. economy over time, even if it causes short-term pain and dislocation, the Bush administration said yesterday.

The embrace of foreign "outsourcing," an accelerating trend that has contributed to U.S. job losses in recent years and become an issue in the 2004 elections, is contained in the president's annual report to Congress on the health of the U.S. economy.

"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade," said N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors, which prepared the report. "More things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good thing."
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mfeher71 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:44 AM
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121. It has nothing to do with skills.
Too many skilled people have been out of jobs continually since the late 90s. It has nothing to do with skills and everything to do with corporations being catered to to cut the bottom line. But then again, Bush wouldn't know outsourcing if it bit him in his well-cushioned ass.
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