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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:56 AM
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2 Years After Soldier's Death (Pat Tillman) Family's Battle Is With Army
From NYT:

2 Years After Soldier's Death, Family's Battle Is With Army

By MONICA DAVEY and ERIC SCHMITT
Published: March 21, 2006

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Patrick K. Tillman stood outside his law office here, staring intently at a yellow house across the street, just over 70 yards away. That, he recalled, is how far away his eldest son, Pat, who gave up a successful N.F.L. career to become an Army Ranger, was standing from his fellow Rangers when they shot him dead in Afghanistan almost two years ago. "All I asked for is what happened to my son, and it has been lie after lie after lie," said Patrick K. Tillman, paging through an Army report on Cpl. Pat Tillman's death in Afghanistan. "I could hit that house with a rock," Mr. Tillman said. "You can see every last detail on that place, everything, and you're telling me they couldn't see Pat?"

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He has drafted long, sometimes raw, letters to military leaders, demanding answers about the shooting. And he has studied — and challenged — Army PowerPoint presentations meant to explain how his son, who had called out his own name and waved his arms, wound up dead anyway, shot three times in the head by his own unit, which said it had mistaken him for the enemy.


No one wants answers more than the Tillmans. But by now, they said, they have lost patience and faith that any Army entity, even the Criminal Investigation Command, can be trusted to find the truth. "I am sitting here on my own, going over and over and over this for two years," Ms. Tillman, 50, said in a telephone interview. "The whole thing is such a debacle. I am beyond tears. It's killing me." Like her former husband, she has spent days reading the files, researching the episode, calling members of Congress, even trying to contact some of the soldiers involved. She criticized the military, as well as the news media, for failing to get to the bottom of what occurred, leaving her family, in essence, to figure it out themselves. All of it, her former husband said, has even left him suspicious of the military's central finding in their son's case so far: that the killing was a terrible but unintentional accident. "There is so much nonstandard conduct, both before and after Pat was killed, that you have to start to wonder," Mr. Tillman said. "How much effort would you put into hiding an accident? Why do you need to hide an accident?"

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After the shooting, the Rangers destroyed evidence that would be considered critical in any criminal case, the records show. They burned Corporal Tillman's uniform and his body armor. Months later, the Rangers involved said they did not intend to destroy evidence. "It was a hygiene issue," one soldier wrote. "They were starting to stink." Another soldier involved offered a slightly different take, saying "the uniform and equipment had blood on them and it would stir emotion" that needed to be suppressed until the Rangers finished their work overseas. "How could they do that?" Mr. Tillman said. "That makes no sense." The family still wants to know, he said, what became of Corporal Tillman's diary. It was never returned to the family, he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/politics/21tillman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ei=5094&en=afa52cbd1ddda78b&hp&ex=1142917200&partner=homepage


Jesus Christ. Three shots to the head. I believe Pat Tillman was killed because he was speaking out against the war and against Bush. Why else would they destroy his armor and even his diary for Christ's sake. Even the family suspects their son's death was not accidental. I hope to God someone is punished for this.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:10 AM
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1. Something is horribly fishy, for sure
We aren't talking about raw, untrained recruits here. We're talking about units that have precise training, and have a greater level of teamwork and weapons skills that the average schmuck out of boot camp.

"This is how they treat a family of a high-profile individual," she said. "How are they treating others?"

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:14 AM
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2. These guys would have to be sharpshooters to get 3 shots...
to the head. There is just too much evidence pointing to the worst possible scenario.

Looks like an execution killing to me.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:17 AM
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3. My thought, too--they had to hit him in the face
unless he wasn't wearing a helmet...and I couldn't imagine him in body armor without head protection. The whole thing just STINKS. I'm appalled at the lies coming out of the Pentagon. It's horrific. They'll never be able to regain the trust of the American people again...at least not without a PROFOUND housecheaning.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:15 PM
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12. shot three times in the head by his own unit
That's pretty good shooting.

I wonder how many shots were fired 20, 30 or more?

3 shots in a 6 inch target in the dark at 50 yards Yikes

No one will survive that
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:42 AM
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6. At that range?
To qualify on a rifle you need to be able to hit a dime at that range.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:19 AM
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4. Every time somebody posts...
..about Tillman, I have to ask again: Why was he promoted to corporal posthumously? Why was he given the Silver Star?

At the very least, it degrades every soldier/Marine who died and wasn't given this kind of special treatment.

At worst, it indicates complicit characters using those honors to hopefully quiet the family questioning a murder.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:37 AM
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5. He didn't ask for special treatment.
He didn't ask to singled out by the Bush Administration.

It was a calculated political move, designed to put the sheeple in awe of a "Great American Hero" and in turn, ratchet up support for the war.

What the Bush Administration did was a disgrace to his memory.
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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:51 AM
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7. And, perhaps, an attempt to bribe his family into silence.
As for the question of whether or not his death was accidental, I believe it was. Well-trained, sharpshooters, whatever: we have heard over and over again that our military is stretched to the limit. Their nerves are frayed and they are shooting on sight and thinking afterward. The family will never accept the awful truth that Pat died for no reason.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:53 AM
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8. He was fragged
No one gets shot in the head 3 times from 70 yards.

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annofark Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:05 PM
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9. I don't think the truth will ever be known
I just don't believe that this was anything more than an accident. Accidents happen in the line of duty...the Military handled it horribly...I agree, and because of that they have left themselves wide open to this speculation.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 07:22 PM
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11. It's not fair to say that outright
From all reports (the ones which revealed he wasn't the Bush-bot Ted Rall first portrayed him as), Pat Tillman was pretty close with the members of his company. The accusations of fragging, without proof, would wrongly implicate his own buddies. (I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, only that people need to be absolutely sure before they make that type of assertion.)
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:38 PM
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10. WHY Did the Murder their Poster-Boy?
If they had to shoot him in the face to kill him,
they damn well knew who they were shooting at.
:grr:
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:53 PM
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13. He openly questioned the Iraq war
He volunteered to serve in Afghanistan. He also did a tour in Iraq, and he was disillusioned by what he saw. He was a free thinker, an atheist and he read Noam Chomsky. We don't know what was going on in his unit. There may have been people who wanted to frag him. Their "poster child" was turning out different then the Army had planned. I don't know if it was accidental or not, I just don't understand why they didn't recognize him when he was waving his arms and calling out his name. People get fragged in wartime. There are some soldiers with emotional problems who take it on themselves to get rid of people they don't like during the confusion and mayhem of a firefight. I feel horrible for Pat's family. I live near the area where he grew up. This is personal to me. Pat's family deserves the truth. They were lied to and how many other grieving families were lied to about the circumstances of their child's death?
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