Venezuela Orders 36 Large Ships From Brazil

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

http://oglobo.globo.com/petroleo/materias/2006/03/07/192180777.asp (in Portuguese)

It's PDVSA making the order. 5 Brazilian shipyards (three in Rio, one in Pernambuco, one in Santa Catarina) will build them. Price: US$ 3 billion.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! OIL TANKERS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! CHAVEZ IS A DICTATOR! WAH WAH WAH! :sarcasm:

[cantstandbush]

1. I love it when these nations do business with each other. Good capitalism

We wanted everyone to be capitalists and so they are. Others seem to be able to be capitalists and socialists at the same time.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

4. Empirical evidence suggests that

being capitalist and socialist at the same time is the only way a country can be truly prosperous.

[1932]

8. JK Galbraith said:

Once socialists (such in W Europe, post WW2) inevitably do what they need to do to accomodate decentralized control of marketplaces, and once capitalists inevitably do what they need to do to guarantee a basic level of dignity to the old and poor and to provide education for the uneducated, there isn't that much difference beetween the two.

That's a paraphrase. Read Richard Parker's book on JKG for the full quote.

[Ben Ceremos]

11. In the Netherlands,

this insight has been known as "The Third Way", and I think it works quite well.

[Judi Lynn]

2. Very ineresting. I hope Bush's administration will deal with this news

like adults.

Seeing Latin America shake off the fear from the past is simply wonderful. It's time the Deathgrip of the Bully was broken. Permanently. These people need to breath, too. Just like North Americans.

[murray hill farm]

5. Absolutely!

seeing this happening is a breath of fresh air in itself..and yes, the "death grip of the Bully" is broken...at last!

[MadMaddie]

16. The * cabal will see this as an affront...

They will want to Pre-emptive strike Latin America because they are making deals without including the US......

[rooboy]

3. Chavez is planning to invade the USA with remote control ships!!! n/t

[Zynx]

6. Filled with remote control Communist robots! We're doomed!

[apple_ridge]

7. Are there any shipbuilders left in America that even build

tankers anymore? I thought the Koreans had pretty much taken over the majority of that industry.

[MadMaddie]

18. Are there any major manufacturing companies left in the USA..

that have their plants on US soil......?

If we were to get in a WWIII we do not have the infrastructure to mobilize state side companies to turn their production into military production...(like what happened during WWII)

We barely have any farmers left...because of the free trade act....

[Peace Patriot]

9. Leftist governments in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Venezuela and

Bolivia--virtually the entire map of the subcontinent gone "blue" over the last several years. 1st woman prez, socialist Michele Batchelet, in Chile (she was tortured by US-backed Pinochet). 1st indigenous prez, Evo Morales, in Bolivia. Peru and Mexico will likely be next. The times they are a-changin'!!! At least in Latin America!

We could see change for the better here, too.

Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

[Bacchus39]

14. subcontinent???

what does that mean?

[Flanker]

15. It means South America

Not everyone is taught the same continent system, dividing the americas into continents is a northern invention, not to mention the monopoly of the name.

[KamaAina]

10. 5 Brazilian shipyards?

How many is a brazillion? :evilgrin:

[SoCalDem]

12. They must not be very effective if it takes FIVE BRAZILLION shipyards

to build 36 ships

[HuffleClaw]

13. they are DESTABILIZING the region, its a terrible horrible THREAT

(waiting for the usual rhetoric from condi and cheney)

[MadMaddie]

17. Don't forget scotty mcfellon....

he will be discussing this at his next press conference...

[dave29]

19. No worries, I bought 42 ships from Iceland last week

I've got our back

[HooptieWagon]

20. What is significant about the news...

Venezuela ships oil to the US by barges towed by ocean-going tugs. It is a fairly short distance to gulf coast refineries, with favorable currents to help slow barges. Tankers are necessary to transport oil longer distances. China would be a guess, but if that's the case then it would make sense to purchase the tankers from China (trade for oil, perhaps). So, what trading partner(s) are Brazilian-built tankers necessary for? Maybe EU, if Venezuela anticipates the M.E. oil supply there is disrupted?

[cliss]

21. I think you're onto something.

That was my first thought when I read the article. I think Chavez is planning to ship the oil to China. China would love to buy Venezuelan oil. It's much closer than the Middle East or Africa which is sliding into a meltdown these days. At least Ven. is stable.

Now, there are a few problems with selling to China. Ven. is on the Atlantic side, and Chavez would really like to build a pipeline to the Pacific side, via Colombia. I know he's been trying, but so far no deal has been made. I think Colombia is a US-puppet (?) so it may not go through at all.

Plus, Ven. oil is considered "sour" crude, meaning it has lots of sulfur. It takes some extra refining, and I don't believe China can do that......yet. The Saudi Arabian "sweet, light crude" is the good stuff.

The fly in the ointment is: you guessed it: the US. The US will go ballistic when it hears about this. They may even start attacking Chavez over this..