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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 07:57 PM
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Scientists Find 'Lost World' in Indonesia
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/science/AP-Indonesia-Lost-World.html

February 7, 2006
Scientists Find 'Lost World' in Indonesia
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 7:40 p.m. ET

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Soon after scientists landed by helicopter in the mist-shrouded mountains of one of Indonesia's most remote provinces, they stumbled on a primitive egg-laying mammal that simply allowed itself to be picked up and brought to their field camp.

Describing a ''Lost World'' -- apparently never visited by humans -- members of the team said Tuesday they also saw large mammals that have been hunted to near-extinction elsewhere and discovered dozens of exotic new species of frogs, butterflies and palms.

''We've only scratched the surface,'' said Bruce Beehler, a co-leader of the monthlong trip to the Foja Mountains, an area in the eastern province of Papua with roughly 2 million acres of pristine tropical forest.

...more at link....

What no Starbucks :sarcasm:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:03 PM
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1. Flash: Life flourishes without human interference. Story at 11. nt.
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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:08 PM
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3. Exactly. It's fascinating but sad at the same time. n/t
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:12 PM
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4. ROOT ORDER: ASSIMILATE ON SIGHT
maybe Poppy and Quayle can work out more inadequacies with long hard rifles aimed at the critters
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:05 PM
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2. There goes the neighborhood........
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 08:06 PM by Dover
So which one was the primitive mammal...the scientist or the egg laying one?

bub-bye paradise.
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:59 PM
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11. Oh , you said it !!
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iowa_democrat Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:14 PM
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5. Probably Oil there too
Better get the drilling rigs in there. Can't have one spot on earth unexploited. I'd have been just as happy if they didn't announce it. Soo the ecotourists will start. Then the local hucksters, and soon it will be just another rest area along a major hiway.
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:22 PM
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6. Come to Eden!
Visit the new Root/Halliburton resort!

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:29 PM
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7. HURRY, LETS CLEAR-CUT IT!!!
:sarcasm:
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:33 PM
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8. Very Cool!
Though "Lost World" is a bit misleading as a title. I didn't read anything about Brontosauruses in there.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:46 PM
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9. Fascinating...I can't wait to see some of those photos.
But sad too, especially that last paragraph about the Chinese and Japanese need for logs being a future threat. Let's hope we find some alternative building material before that happens.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:55 PM
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10. Leveling forests for bio-fuel is also a huge threat now
what short sighted human beings don't seem to grasp is that the world simply will not function without the "emerald necklace"; the world's tropical forests that regulate weather and clean our air.
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:48 PM
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13. perhaps they'll find a living dodo -
..and make it the symbol of the bush admin....
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:34 PM
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12. More of the article and PICTURE at link inside this message...
Right HERE.

PB
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:53 PM
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14. In a sane society, this would be a cause for joyous fascination
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 09:57 PM by 0rganism
As it is, I just weep for the vision of what's going to happen to this place now that it's been "outed".

"No logging permits are given to this area, there is no transport system not a single road," Beehler said.

"But clearly, with time, everything is a threat. In the next few decades there will be strong demands, especially if you think of the timber needs of nearby countries like China and Japan. They will be very hungry for logs."

Every tree shall fall.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:53 PM
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15. hide it!
leave it alone, go away, forget you found it...

it will be gone soon, I'm afraid.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:00 PM
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16. i don't think they should tell anyone where it is.
we have such spectacular technology now, we could theoretically document the new discoveries and then disappear, allowing it to flourish for many more decades.
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:15 PM
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17. Why would we go into space
when we haven't even discovered (and exploited) everything on this wonderful planet?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:27 AM
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18. What, no hobbits? n/t
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:46 AM
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19. What kind of primitive egg-laying mammal?
Besides an overly-nervous college roomate I once had, there are only three known monotremes: two kinds of echidnas and the platypus. Previously, they were thought to exist only in Australia and New Guinea. Since male platypussies are also poisonous, my guess is it's got to be an echidna if it's not something totally new.

I'm not going to pony up for the article, so if someone can clue me in, I'd appreciate it.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:06 AM
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21. It's a long-snouted spine-covered echidnas
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Soon after scientists landed by helicopter in the mist-shrouded mountains of one of Indonesia's most remote provinces, they stumbled on a primitive egg-laying mammal that simply allowed itself to be picked up and brought to their field camp.

Describing a ''Lost World'' -- apparently never visited by humans -- members of the team said Tuesday they also saw large mammals that have been hunted to near-extinction elsewhere and discovered dozens of exotic new species of frogs, butterflies and palms.

''We've only scratched the surface,'' said Bruce Beehler, a co-leader of the monthlong trip to the Foja Mountains, an area in the eastern province of Papua with roughly 2 million acres of pristine tropical forest.

''There was not a single trail, no sign of civilization, no sign of even local communities ever having been there,'' he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C.

Two headmen from the Kwerba and Papasena tribes, the customary landowners of the mountain range, accompanied the expedition, and ''they were as astounded as we were at how isolated it was,'' Beehler said.

''As far as they knew, neither of their clans had ever been to the area.''

The December expedition was organized by U.S.-based Conservation International and the Indonesian Institute of Sciences, and funded by the National Geographic Society and several other organizations.

Minutes after the small team of American, Indonesian and Australian scientists were dropped into a boggy lake bed and set up camp near the mountain range's western summit, they said they encountered a new species of bird -- a red-faced and wattled honeyeater.

The next day they saw Berlepsch's Six-wired Bird of Paradise, described by hunters in the 19th century and named for the wires that extend from its head in place of a crest.

They watched in amazement as a male bird performed a courtship dance for a female, shaking the long feathers on his head, and later took the first known photograph of the bird.

The scientists said they discovered 20 frog species -- including a microhylid frog less than a half-inch long -- four new butterfly species, and at least five new types of palms.

Among their most memorable experiences were their encounters with the Long-beaked Echidna, members of the primitive egg-laying group of mammals called the Monotremes, which twice allowed themselves to be picked up and brought to the scientists' camp for observation.

Beehler attributed the lack of fear displayed by the long-snouted spine-covered Echidnas (pronounced eh-KID-na) to the fact that they probably had never come into contact with humans.

But other animals, like the Golden-mantled Tree Kangaroo, an arboreal jungle-dweller previously thought to have been hunted to near-extinction, were much more shy, he said, and quickly disappeared into the dense forest after being spotted.

Though the scientists' findings will have to be published in scientific journals and reviewed by peers before being officially classified as new species, other environmentalists said the discoveries were hardly surprising in a country renowned for its rich biodiversity.

''There are many species that have not been identified'' in Indonesia, said Chairul Saleh of the World Wildlife Fund, which has made hundreds of its own discoveries in the sprawling archipelago in the last 10 years.

Papua, the scene of a decades-long separatist rebellion that has killed an estimated 100,000 people, is one of Indonesia's most remote regions geographically and politically, and access by foreigners is tightly restricted.

The scientists said they needed six permits before they could legally visit the mountains located on the western side of New Guinea island.

Stephen Richards of the South Australia Museum in Adelaide said he and other team members got a glimpse of what the island ''was like 50,000 years ago, because there's been no hunting, no impact of transport or anything like that.''

Because of the rich diversity in the forest, the group rarely had time to stray more than a few miles from their base camp.

Beehler, vice president of Conservation International's Melanesia Center for Biodiversity Conservation, said he hopes to return this year with other scientists.

One of the reasons for the rain forest's isolation, he said, was that only a few hundred people live in the region and game in the mountain's foothills is so abundant they have no reason to venture into the jungle's interior.

There did not appear to be any immediate conservation threat to the area, which has the status of a wildlife sanctuary, he said.

''No logging permits are given to this area, there is no transport system -- not a single road,'' Beehler said.

''But clearly, with time, everything is a threat. In the next few decades there will be strong demands, especially if you think of the timber needs of nearby countries like China and Japan. They will be very hungry for logs.''
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:50 AM
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20. Great, now we'll go in and fuck everything up.
As usual.
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