In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents

[truthpusher]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1569087&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

In Turkish Movie, Americans Kill Innocents
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In New Turkish Film, Americans in Iraq Kill for Pleasure, Jewish Doctor Runs an Organ Farm
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By BENJAMIN HARVEY
The Associated Press
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ISTANBUL, Turkey - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

"Valley of the Wolves Iraq" set to open in Turkey on Friday feeds off the increasingly negative feelings many Turks harbor toward their longtime NATO allies: Americans.

(snip)

The movie, which reportedly cost some $10 million, is the latest in a new genre of popular culture that demonizes the United States. It comes on the heels of a novel called "Metal Storm" about a war between Turkey and the U.S., which has been a best seller for months.

(snip)

The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor.

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[KansDem]

1. When will this come to the multiplex near me?

Perhaps I'll just have to wait until it comes out on DVD and pick it up at Blockbuster.

on edit: I would like to see this movie. Viewing foreign films is a good way of seeing what other countries think of us...

[saigon68]

35. I can't wait for this to come to the Big Screen

Except they won't show the guys bare ass or his nads

LOL

[truthpusher]

44. Here's the offical website....

http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/

[0007]

51. Perhaps to much flesh in this photo also

[Just Me]

2. Haven't we been doing the same kind of movies about Arabs,...

,...for years? :shrug:

Awful. Hatred recycled, over and over.

I wish this shit would end. :(

[enigma000]

4. Which ones? n/t

[Just Me]

6. Good lord,...all the bizzilion "terra" movies --->

Always, ALWAYS an Arab.

[enigma000]

7. I don't watch many movies

Anything title particular, off hand? Just curious.

[President Kerry]

38. Operation Delta Storm? can't remember the title exactly

with Chuck Norris. Arabs hijack a plane..

[slide to the left]

68. The first version

Of Disney's Aladdin had all the bad guys with Arab accents. I did a studt in college an bias v. Arabs in the media.

[Army]

97. Arabs Hijack a Plane

Well, THAT never happens. What hate!:spank:

[Tempest]

9. The Seige

Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566563887/002-5684272-0544832?v=glance&n=283155

[Just Me]

11. Yep. That was the first that hit me.

I am poor at retaining names but have seen many teevee and motion pictures movies involving "Arab" terrorists.

[hedgehog]

14. Hey , you got to admit,

it wasn't the IRA flying the planes on September 11. I'm not saying it's not a complicated issue, but face facts. (And yes, Timothy McVay wasn't an Arab. Like I said, we need to face facts.)

[thebigidea]

17. and it wasn't Belgians mowing down families at checkpoints.

[hedgehog]

21. That's why I used the word "complicated"

I have family members who were IRA, family members who left Ireland to avoid conscription by the IRA and the British and family members (by marriage) who are English. There's no black or white here, and it's not worth it to get into a p***ing match about how my injustices outweigh your injustices. That's not the way out.

[Just Me]

23. Um, please don't pull a Bushie and say,...

,...9/11.

Over the last ten years, there have been 27 times MORE incidents of DOMESTIC terrorist acts than acts of terrorism by ALL OTHER NATIONALISTS COMBINED in this country.

Let us face facts! Yes? :grr:

[hedgehog]

26. Now you're splitting hairs.

Ask anyone to name terrorist acts and I think the count would go something like this:

9/11

Oklahoma City

World Trade Center Bombing

Bombing at Olympics -Atlantic City

Unibomber

Um - an abortion clinic somewhere

Um - that guy who was putting bombs in mail boxes to look like a smiley face.

Um - those environmentalists who burnt down that ski chalet

By number of incidents, we're #1, but by total body count and impression on the public mind, I have to admit that AlQuada has the lead.

[uppityperson]

32. compare the amount of current media coverage

and short term memory difficulties of many usanians.

[INDIA]

65. Atlantic City had the Olympics???

I sure as hell hope not!

[hedgehog]

71. OOPs - Atlanta

Brain fart

[cascadiance]

74. You forgot the anthrax murders and the two snipers earlier...

[slide to the left]

69. There were 300+

reports of violence agaist people of Arab decent in OK City following McVeigh's domestic terrorism. The media right away blamed it on Muslim terrorists. A woman was having stones thrown at her through the windows of her house. She laid on top of her children to protect that and the fear and stress made her have a miscarriage. The hatred was before 9-11.

[hedgehog]

73. Hey - I knew it wasn't Arabs 5 minutes after I heard about OK City.

There weren't even 300+ reports of anti-Arab violence after 9/11. That sounds like some wild kind of urban myth. I heard more stories about people standing in solidarity with Arab neighbors or even neighbors who might be mistaken for Arabs. Now if you want to talk about anti-Arab law enforcement like the farce that ended up putting the Lackawanna 4 in prison...

[Coastie for Truth]

81. What can you expect ...

Ther were the , and they elected the eugenic hysterectomy doctor, Tom Coburn to the Senate, along with Jim Inhofe. Sheeesh!

[Tempest]

30. It wasn't Iraqis either

And yet 100,000 or more have been murdered by the U.S.

So what I hear you saying is that all Arabs are terrorists.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

58. hey

it's not even sure arabs flew it in


it could as well have been a us-remote. just as believable as the "official story"

[enigma000]

13. The list seems dated

Mostly from the 1910s to 1950s. Tapering off in the 1960s and 70s.

But the Seige is recent, of course. I'm trying to remember anything since then. The was Tom Clancy's Sum of All Fears but the bad guys were changed from Islamic Terrorists to Nazis. Hollywood hates Nazis. I can't remember ever seeing a pro-Nazi Hollywood film - makes you think........

[Malikshah]

15. True Lies, Aladdin, many of the Chuck Norris movies

Midnight Express, Exodus, etc.

[enigma000]

20. Aladdin is racist? Guess I wasn't paying attention

Mind you, on reflection, Australians didn't come off looking all that great in Finding Nemo.....

Chuck Norris - yeah, but he was an equal opportunity combatant - he would kill anybody.

[Malikshah]

50. Aladdin's initial song had to be changed due to protests

that was the obvious slur

the less obvious slur was that all the villains or dimwitted folks had "foreign accents"-- the hero/heroine--although Arab had good old all-american accents...

As for Chuck Norris-- his main villains in the 90s were "arab-muslim"

Then of course there's Protocol...all the cartoons etc.

Jack Shaheen's work (Reel Bad Arabs) covers this all

[Colorado Blue]

78. We should have a proNazi Hollywood film why?

[Jim Sagle]

86. Makes you think WHAT?

[enigma000]

88. Just that Nazis are the go-to villains

Sure they are evil, and usually entertainingly so. But I was thinking that Nazis are the one set of villains (aliens and robots from the future notwithstanding) that have no special interest advocacy group. They can be portrayed as the bad guys ALL the time. I mean - its not like any movie producer is going to get sued.

[Jim Sagle]

95. I can live with that.

[hedgehog]

19. I thought the Siege was an interesting movie

It showed how a threat from a small group of terrorists very quickly became a far greater danger from people in the government "protecting" us.

[enigma000]

22. So the Arabs weren't just two-dimensionally evil? n/t

[hedgehog]

24. I haven't seen the movie in a couple of years

but didn't the female CIA agent have a couple of scenes where she explained the Arab point of view? Certainly Tony Shaloub's character was a sympathetic portrayal of the position of Arab-Americans.

[enigma000]

27. Yes, I recall that.......

The Arabs tended to come out as three dimensional, even sympathetic characters. Much more than, say for example, Voldermort in the latest Harry Potter film, or the aliens in War of the Worlds, or the evil emperor in the latest Star Wars, or just about everybody in Batman Begins. More sympathetic than the American soldiers in this new movie I bet.

[Tempest]

31. The fact is

The movie starts off with a true event, and we know from news reports innocent people are being killed by U.S. troops in Iraq on a daily basis, intentionally and unintentionally.

The problem people will have with this movie is that much of it is really happening in Iraq.

[Zynx]

63. Actually, the Arabs in the Seige have a clear motivation.

They are retaliating for being hung out to dry by the US against Saddam.

Bruce Willis' general character is a much bigger, deliberarte evil character. This is the guy who exacerbates the situation by denying that they are holding the Sheik, tortures someone to death, relishes martial law, etc.

[Rigby Reardon]

42. I'm Curious

Can you name one?

[leftchick]

3. art imitating life

I had not heard of the body organs part but I would not doubt it.

[leftchick]

5. cool! it will be shone in the US!

and Billy Zane stars!

<snip>

Advance tickets are already selling out across Turkey for the film, which has dialogue in Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish and English. In addition to Turkey, the film is set to be shown in more than a dozen other countries including the United States, Britain, Germany, The Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Russia, Egypt, Syria and Australia.

The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor.

[maxsolomon]

8. Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor.

yes, that is a perfect casting choice.

who would believe Busey is a DOCTOR?

what, you thought i was going to say something else?

[Jim Sagle]

40. Yahweh and Yeehah are spelled almost the same, after all.

;-)

[INDIA]

66. It's not cool at all

He's a jewish doctor who harvests the organs of prisoners and sends them to rich countries. WHAT PART OF THIS BLATANT ANTI-SEMITISM IS "COOL"????? I sure hope it isn't "shone" at my theater.

[Colorado Blue]

79. Disturbingly, Mein Kampf has become a surprise best seller

in Turkey. It's been popular in the M.E. for ages but this surge in popularity in Turkey, which has remained pretty open and tolerant, is surprising and sad.

[Tempest]

10. Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566563887/002-5684272-0544832?v=glance&n=283155

[hedgehog]

12. Seriously, is it responsible to star in a movie

as a Jewish-American doctor who turns Arabs into organ donors? We can laugh about this because we feel safe, but some people would view films like this as a documentary. How many steps was it from the "Protocols of Zion" (a complete forgery) to Auschwitz? We've seen Biafra, (remember Biafra?)Bosnia and Rwanda, we're watching Dafur, don't think genocide is a thing of the past.

[enigma000]

18. I wonder how many suicide bombers will use this as inspiration?

Encouraging people to hate Americans and Israelis isn't helping make the world a better place. Its making the Islamic Jihadist version of "Why we Fight".

[jayfish]

28. It's The Free Market And That's...

his job. Kinda like censoring search results in China is Googles' job or hiring illegals to do reconstruction work in LA. and MS. is Halliburtons' job. As far as people thinking it's a documentary, they just need to read the credits.

Jay

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. You mean those stupid ignorant Arabs would view it as a documentary, right

I mean, please. Please. Please. Please.

Oy.

[superconnected]

16. Sounds like they based it on reality.

[JohnLocke]

41. Jewish doctors harvesting organs?

:wtf:

[superconnected]

59. I didn't read that part.. eww.

[DeaconBlues]

25. Except for the ridiculous part about the Jewish doctor

it sounds pretty damn accurate to me

[cascadiance]

101. "Pearl Harbor" also doctored the truth quite a bit too...

There were plenty of Japanese actors in that one as well, even though many Japanese felt that it was far more distorted in its depiction of that point of history against them than something like "Tora, Tora, Tora..." was.

[hedgehog]

29. Please note

It was Al Quadia who sent a pair of suicide bombers to a Jordanian wedding 11/10/05. We've shot up our share of innocents (I still can't figure out why no one is screaming over shooting up that Pakistani village) but there are no clean hands here.

[Tempest]

33. And the U.S. just killed an innocent woman in Iraq with a missile

So what's your point?


"I still can't figure out why no one is screaming over shooting up that Pakistani village"

They're screaming pretty loud in Pakistan.

[hedgehog]

39. But I haven't heard anyone in the US question the bombing

I hear jokes about how many times we've killed Al Quada'a #2 man, but no one dares to suggest that maybe we're bombing too many innocent civilians.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. We're far too moral to question our many dead civilians

You see, when we do it, it's always an accident, and we must support the troops, you see. It's all quite tragic, but we must support the troops you see. :sarcasm:

[Tempest]

56. That should tell you something

The fact you haven't heard anyone in the U.S. question the bombing tells me two things:

1) You're not paying attention. I've heard a lot of questioning.

2) You don't care. Otherwise you would have heard some of the questioning.

[daleo]

34. The Jewish doctor organ farm part is over the top

But the U.S. attack on the wedding sounds like it could be a documentary (substitute F-16 for foot soldiers if you like).

[demo dutch]

36. We are truly loved by the world!!

[saigon68]

37. Yes, Freedom is Truly on the March

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. Two words: True Lies

That ridiculous Schwartzenegger film was just the high point of recklessly stupid portrayals of Middle Easterners. If the American public doesn't like "In the Valley of the Wolves Iraq," I guess that's just well and truly too fucking bad. Freedom is on the march, after all...

[Rex_Goodheart]

47. What is it with Gary Busey?

Didn't he go through a born-again phase where God and America could do no wrong? Now he's working in anti-American flicks?

What's up with that?

[Robeson]

48. Money?....

...:shrug:

[Julius Civitatus]

64. He had severe brain surgery and I lobotomy, if I'm correct

He had two major brain surgeries in his life (according to the E! bio special I saw last year): once he had a major motorcycle accident and he wasn't wearing a helmet. He even was in coma for a long time.

In recent years he had a brain tumor and had to undergo severely invasive brain surgery to remove it.

[blackhorse]

49. How ironic,

coming from a country where, IIRC, it is *illegal* to openly discuss the Turkish genocide against the Armenians or the ongoing repression of the Kurds.

The film may have some points to make, but IMO Turkey is LONG overdue for a scathing self-examination.

Can't say I care for hypocrites anywhere.

Cheers

BH

On edit: Removal of elllipses.

[Hardrada]

52. Who remembers the Armenians?

Hitler asked. Unfortunately, he had a point. The West was too quick to forget their fate or never cared to begin with.

[fakeshemp]

55. Indeed

Such self-examination and acceptance of the reality of the genocide should be a prerequisite for any further progress towards Turkish EU accession.

[Endangered Specie]

62. amen,

they should be rejected until they recgonize and make atonement for it

[Julius Civitatus]

67. Amen indeed!

Turkey has way many skeletons in its closet (counted in the millions, actually), to hold any pretense of moral high ground. Everyone is waiting for them to even recognize the Armenian genocide.

Still waiting.

[onager]

53. Also see "The Night Baghdad Fell"

An Egyptian movie directed by Mohammed Amin which kicked up a lot of fuss over here. (I've been working in Egypt for several months.)

The plot: an Egyptian professor falls asleep watching the news from Iraq and dreams of America invading Egypt. Cairo's ancient monuments go up in flames. A CIA agent leads the Friday prayers at the local mosque. In a pretty neat allusion to Arab dependence on Western technology, the professor looks up his most brilliant student and they try to design an "Arab Defense Machine."

The movie was VERY popular here, despite being snubbed at the big Cairo International Film Festival. Its 27-yr-old female producer got up and walked out of the Festival in protest.

According to a recent newspaper article, the Egyptian censors removed two scenes with an actress who bore a strong resemblance to Condescenda Rice. In one scene she's having enthusiastic sex, I believe with a CIA agent. And in the other she was being gang-raped by American GI's in an Abu Ghraib-type prison.

The director, Amin, said "the censors eyes bugged out" when they saw those scenes.

:rofl:

I hope a Director's Cut is released with English subtitles. The flick is still playing in Egypt, but only with its original Arabic soundtrack.

[MetaTrope]

54. And anyone who's been watching Asian movies the past couple decades

knows that Americans only show to pick up their narcotics shipments.

[Taxloss]

57. Interesting counterpoint to the Danish cartoons row, isn't it? n/t

[genie_weenie]

60. look quit it would you

this is obviously, propaganda, which every g*d damn culture does! Every nation portrays somebody as murderous or evil, or bereft of god goodness,

whether that be Nazis telling Belgians that Americans were going to rape murder and pillage in 1944,

Arabs forcing Zoroastrians in the 600 and 700's to convert to Islam,

The Catholic Church and the French Crown murdering the thousands of Cathars and taking the Langedouc in the 1200s then setting up the Medieval Inquisition,

America portraying Japanese as less than Human in WWII films,

the Japanese murdering 50,000+ at the Rape of Nanking in 1934-35,

let's see what else,

Muslims sacking Constantinople and turning the Greatest Church in Christendom into a Mosque, (Hagia Sophia),

William the Conqueror cutting a swathe of destruction (which can still be seen today) across the English Countryside 2 years after Hastings because the people would not accept him as King,

Hugelu son of Jenghis Kahn killing 800,000 Arabs in 1258 when he completely destroyed Baghdad,

Darfur, Huttis and Tutsis,

Mao's Great Leap Forward or his Long March and the unknown tens (if not hundreds) of thousands killed

So, everyone who thinks they are the righteous and point out the evils of the other group, please shut the fuck up, read some history and tend your own garden, (ie vote out our Government which wishing to galavant across the globe) honestly

[atreides1]

96. You Forgot Some

The Sand Creek Massacre

The Wounded Knee Massacre

MyLai

[genie_weenie]

99. This was not a final list of evil things done by Nation-States

I also forgot the US led masacre of Phillipinos...

My point wasn't to be all-inclusive of all the horrible things States have done, because there are too many to list.

Every nation-state and religion is dealing with the following crisis: How do we reconcile our bloody pasts with our evolved 21st sensibilities? And the problem I have is too many people have a vested intrest in forcing the "Sins of the Father" upon their sons...

Hate and war and war and hate

[Endangered Specie]

61. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

ain't like Turkey wouldnt know a think or two about slaughtering innocents, and then covering it up. :eyes: :nopity:

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[INDIA]

75. Yeah!!!

Those bastard "Isreali's!!!" How dare they try to exist! Military action is never necessary, especially when you've been attacked with three wars and suicide bombers dozens of times a year.



Wake the fuck up.

[Jim Sagle]

87. FNA. And welcome to DU.

[Colorado Blue]

77. Oh for pity's sake. You've never heard of the IRA, or the

attacks by fedayeen on Jews in Mandate Palestine? These attacks resulted in the creation of Jewish defense groups, like Palmach and Haganah, as well as in Irgun and Stern gang which were involved in terrorism - primarily but not exclusively against the British.

The Middle Eastern groups arose during one the most violent centuries in the history of mankind - during which there were two World Wars and the Shoah. The conflict between the British and the Irish dates back centuries and there are still occasional eruptions.

That's just in modern times. I'll bet terrorism in some form or another has been around for ages.

PS. Isn't proper spelling a good thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

[abex]

92. isn't the ira an irish-catholic defense group, then? nt

[Coastie for Truth]

80. You never heard of

Shay's Rebellion, Whiskey Rebellion, the various provate militias in New Jersey and South Carolina --- and the Bitish were ot the only targets = nor were the Loyalists.

BTW, there was also the Cossack where old Bogdan Khmelnytskyi took to raping and murdering Jews (Pogroms) and, and also the

Terrorism goes back thousands of years.

[VTMechEngr]

84. What a crock...

Remember the partisans and the french resistance? The Nazis called them terrorists.

Terrorism goes back much much longer than 1948.

And for the record, Israel has the right to exist. And to defend itself.

[genie_weenie]

98. Society of Assassians???

Hasan I Sabah, the old man of the mountain?

No wait, you're saying the Israeli army is harkening back to the Zealots of Masada, damn their eyes..

[Redstone]

72. Hey, except for the Jewish doctor part, it ain't exactly fiction, is it?

Redstone

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

76. This movie sounds like pure

propaganda to stir up hatred against americans. Make the American soldiers out to be barbarians. This is coming from a bush hating democratic american, the part about the organ stealing is what takes the cake. The difference between here and other countries, some of the middle eastern countries (Like Iran) this will be played in is that the people who can read between the lines in these countries(like us democrats in America) don't have the freedom to speak out against this film and their governments can pass this off being completely legit to fuel hatred against the US, just giving Bush the reason in America people's eyes to invade these countries.

[Coastie for Truth]

82. In Syriana

the Arabs came out the best -- and the TEXANS and OIL EXECUTIVES were the bad guys.

I haven't had much luck with Texans - LBJ, George I, George II, Tom DeLay, Phil Graham, Dick Armey, John Cornyn, Alberto Gonzles, Harriet Miers, Ken Lay, Skilling, etc. (Texans with oil ties)

I saw this on the back of a red F-150 in Port Arthur (Next to the NRA and Bush-Cheney stickers)

DON'T TELL MY MOM I WORK IN THE OIL PATCH--
SHE THINKS I PLAY PIANO IN A BROTHEL

[fujiyama]

83. Maybe we should go burn theh Turkish embassy

They are stereotyping aall Americans to be evil! Dammit, we must go after Billy Zaane and Gary Bussey (I'm sorry but hhe doesn't come aas either Jewish or a doctor)...

:eyes:

[Orrin_73]

85. Let me explain a few things about this'movie'

It started as a series on the turkish television (private channel) a few years ago, because of the large unemployment and the high television addiction of the turks it became a ratings hit. Considering that almost all of latin telenovelas were ratings hits in Turkey, this series gathered a huge following. In the beginning of the series a turkish agent infiltrates a mob in Istanbul to catch their bosses, later as they progress they find out that the mob has infiltrated the turkish government (note: during the 90's this actually happened). Now with the Iraq war the producers have written a storyline that that involves the americans (neocons and the cia) and turks fighting eachother in iraq.The storyline changes with the political mood of turkey. For the producers of this series it became a goldmine, I cant think of anything that came close that was so succesfull on turkish television. The episodes start on 19:00 and ended at 24:00, it has a net runtime of 1,5 hours the rest is advertising. I cant remember ever watching a full episode, its dull and full of nationalistic jingoism. I dont that most turks believe all the things they see it on the series or the movie version there are ofcourse some conspiracy minded fools who will always believe anything.

[AlienGirl]

89. Like a Turkish "24"?

[genie_weenie]

91. nice post

excellent too read someone who applies a little critical thinking...

[Orrin_73]

93. I ment to say it starts at 21:00 and ends at 24:00

n/t

[dysfunctional press]

90. in REAL life, Americans kill Innocents-

and their BLOOD is on ALL of our hands.

[WinkyDink]

94. They are free to make whatever movies they want.

[The Straight Story]

100. Indeed, just like the danes are free to make cartoons

I don't think many of us 'evil americans' (since I am american i think it sees me as evil) will be out protesting and burning down buildings over it :)