Rice says time for talking with Iran is over

[stevedeshazer]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday there was strong international consensus against Iran's nuclear plans and time had run out for talking to Tehran.

With Italy's foreign minister at her side, Rice said the next step must be to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council. The United States believes Iran is building a nuclear bomb but Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful, energy purposes.

"The referral absolutely has to be made," Rice told reporters.

"Iran must know that there is a firm international consensus against the activities that Iran is currently engaged in. We would all like to solve this diplomatically and we are all committed to doing so but Iran must recognize the concerns of the international community and has not done so."

more: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-01-23T190752Z_01_N23312815_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-RICE.xml&rpc=22

[Fridays Child]

1. Fuck you, Neocondi.

[umass1993]

37. I second that.

Saying anything more is pointless.

[AtomicKitten]

38. I third that. n/t

[umass1993]

39. Can you imagine

putting together a letter like this:

Dear Sec. State Condoleeza Rice:

Fuck you! Beeeeotch.

Sincerely,
Everyone at DU


It would be great with thousands of signatures.

[llmart]

52. I'll sign it.

[lakeguy]

59. ROFLMAO!

HA, all caps for that one.

[Cha]

56. Oh, and they don't want to

try and be friends with Chavez because .."we just don't like him".

I'll sign that letter that says.."Fuck you, neocondi".

[sui generis]

2. the time has run out for this woman

playacting at Secretary of State.

The fact that it ever even got this far is related to this administration's political and diplomatic incompetence, and she who hold shit last smell strongest.

[saigon68]

15. Pull out the Nukes

[tatertop]

75. war is almost here

[NanceGreggs]

3. Can't someone point this Idiot ...

... in the direction of the nearest shoe store? Spending thousands on Ferragamos is the ONLY thing she's suited for.

[pinniped]

4. Anyone ever ask this warhawk piece of shit why...

she's got such a hard-on for Iran?

Anyone?

This is * diplomacy in action.

[TheDebbieDee]

13. I heard it was because Iran is scheduled to convert

from dollars to euros in the sale of petrol in February or March of this year.

I gotta admit, I don't understand the whys, wherefores or pitfalls of this conversion of currency......but supposedly, Iraq also planned to convert from dollars to euros, and that's the real reason we invaded Iraq. Cheney making a boatload of money through Halliburton didn't hurt either!

[caledesi]

20. Yeah, Randi Rhodes talked about this awhile ago on her show.

She said that if Iraq was going to convert dollars to Euros, oil would cost MORE. That's the scoop on that.

[daleo]

51. U.S. Bankers won't make money on dollar conversions

I think that's a good part of it.

[orleans]

64. and iraq wanted to convert dollars to euros.

lucky we bombed the shit out of them just in time.

think we'll blow up iran in time?

and on edit: in all seriousness i really believe that had a TON to do with why we went after iraq. it wasn't to free anybody. it was to free the dollar from being taken over.

[superconnected]

47. It will keep the defense contractors working

The way they work is immediately build what ever company they need by hiring contractors to do the job. They get the bulk of the money for the job. Haliburtop, Bechtel and the Carlyle group have been doing this all along. They've been forming adn disolving companies like crazy as US contracts come up and get satified.

If we pull out of iraq do to public demand, they will need iran for the contracts.

[EVDebs]

72. Since the '30s, FDR/Saudis Oil has been paid for only in Dollars

This whole episode could result in $105 barrel oil

"A research report issued by Goldman Sachs, the biggest trader of energy derivatives, forecast that oil prices could range from $50 to $105 per barrel, due to thin spare capacity in the energy supply chain and long response times for bringing on supply additions."
http://www.news.ops.gov.ph/archives2005/apr20.htm

Global recession could result, due to one-third of world's GDP being US's $12 trillion vs. World GDP of around $36 trillion.

Iran doesn't really care about the rest of the world it seems; it just wants to take a swing at the US.

[regnaD kciN]

55. Here's your answer...

Rove: It's the (eternal) war, stupid!

In his first speech in two months, "Bush's brain" laid out his plan for GOP victory: War, war and more war.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/01/21/rove/

:argh:

[DELUSIONAL]

5. She's a bad bad nasty piece of garbage

[stepnw1f]

6. Another Nut Case that Should Be Locked Up for Life!

Fucking sickos are starting WWIII!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. If Iran could reach Israel, Iraq, the green zone, Kuwait and elsewhere

(correct me if I am wrong) with their missiles, howcomes they haven't done so? I'm just sayin'. We as a nation have not been able to keep our noses out of ANYBODY's business since the beginning of time.

[tatertop]

86. Because they are not terrorists and they don't want war

[Gloria]

8. We've never talked DIRECTLY to them....as Clark says, "before

you bomb someone, you should at least talk to them..."

This reminds me of the N. Korea situation. Bushco comes in and stops all contacts with N. Korea, which Clinton had going.

A few years later, as China steps into the fray, we go skulking back and are now talking to N. Korea again.

So, why can't we talk to Iran? Oh, that's right...we need more chaos in the Middle East...

[Judi Lynn]

60. Bush & Company entered his stolen pResidency threatening Iran,

and never opened the door to diplomacy. They went so far immediately real dialogue was almost impossible. They are too proud of their stolen power to lower themselves to communication.

[Blue_Forney05]

9. Looks

like $100 dollar oil here we come! Way to go Bush.

[CountAllVotes]

11. Welcome to the DU Blue_Forney05

:hi: and welcome to the DU!! :hi:

:kick:

[CountAllVotes]

10. deju va of 2003 all over again

Iraq and now Iran!!!!! :grr: :grr:

Find a new job Condosleezza!!

WE THE PEOPLE MUST STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!

:kick:

[Village Idiot]

12. Dream on, beeeeeotch!

As if Russia or China are going to vote to refer?


"Iran must know that there is a firm international consensus..."

The RW keeps harping on this piece of BULLSHIT, as well...nothing could be farther from the truth. Europe and China and Russia ALL want to negotiate a deal via the IAEA, Iran wants to renegotiate and the IAEA itself (ElBaradei) want to follow through and revisit the issue on March 3...

Only France and the US seem to have said ANYTHING about the UNSC referral...

[Blue_Forney05]

14. Whats the old saying,

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Geez, after only 2 or 3 years and our "leaders" want to invade an even more powerful country? What are they smoking?

[Megahurtz]

16. Oh Joy.

More Fucking War.:woohoo:

:sarcasm:

[caledesi]

17. I think "I've seen this part of the show before." These thugs are crazy.

[JerseygirlCT]

18. Here we go again

They sure use funny clocks up there.

[Imagevision]

19. yeah lets just bomb the shit out them condi...!

[dogday]

21. Isn't Rice supposed to be a diplomat?

Sounds like she is starting another War Dance for the admin...

[katty]

22. Rice Says time for talking to Iran is over

cont'd at:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-01-23T190752Z_01_N23312815_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-RICE.xml&rpc=22


Rice says time for talking with Iran is over
Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:08 PM ET

By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday there was strong international consensus against Iran's nuclear plans and time had run out for talking to Tehran.

With Italy's foreign minister at her side, Rice said the next step must be to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council. The United States believes Iran is building a nuclear bomb but Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful, energy purposes.

"The referral absolutely has to be made," Rice told reporters.

[Craig3410]

23. Oh holy fuck.

Goody; let's fight

THREE

wars!

It's not like the military's already stretched thin enough!

[mzmolly]

24. Gosh, I'm so amazed? More of the PNAC agenda being carried forward.

Imagine that?

Now who woulda thunk?

And, of course the MSM is mum.

[benburch]

25. I say the time for tolerating Republicans is OVER.

We need to throw the bastards out.

[katty]

29. hear! hear! indeed! way over due

[tuvor]

26. Oh, clearly.

Clearly, clearly, clearly.

[Earth_First]

27. Last week called: it want's its news back...

(this is directed at condi, not the op)

[thebigidea]

28. wow, what a great diplomat.

[katty]

30. LOL

[debbierlus]

31. They are just waiting for the Alito appointment to be finalized

Then, Bush can declare war without Congressional authorization with no fear. He will own courts.

Watch.

IF Alito gets in...it is a death knell.

It is sooooooooo frightening.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Has Lindsey Graham said during the hearing

"And I hope you'll understand if any us come before a court and we can't remember Abramoff, you will tend to believe us."

Alito is their ace in the hole. They need him desperately.

[Megahurtz]

46. I agree.

:scared:

[umass1993]

32. WW III

This could be a first step towards World War III. Will the world stand by and watch us consolidate the oil resources in the Middle East?

Note that Saudi's signed a deal with China yesterday. They know that we would turn on them in second, and a good relationship with China would be a strong deterrent.

Russia and China have strong strategic interests in Iran. If we attempt to colonize Iran, will they watch, or will they act?

[Hekate]

33. Start a pool now: How soon before the MSM starts beating the war drums?

Willing propagandists for the invasion of Iraq, how soon will CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN start in on Iran? (FOX is a foregone conclusion.) I remember being quite impressed with the special graphics, theme music, and slogans they all came up with in the months leading up to the invasion. Think they've learned ANYthing?

Hekate

[daleo]

53. Cue ominous music: "Showdown with Iran"

Brought to you by these fine foods.

[Theres-a]

70. And by Hummer

And Applebee's.

[LynnTheDem]

34. Name ONE LAW Iran is breaking. Name ONE SANCTION Iran is breaking.

Correct answer? NONE.

[acmavm]

36. So, they gonna start the draft? Gonna snag a few of these keyboard

warriors?

They are going to have to.

[phusion]

40. kick & recommend. n/t

I echo the thought: What a diplomat!!

[Lorien]

41. In other words "if they go ahead and switch from dollars to Euros, it's

bombs away"!


:crazy:

[angryxyouth]

42. Don't worry, it will be a short war.

Shock and Aw strategy. Oil sales will pay for the whole reconstruction thing.:wtf:

[Hekate]

87. My generation always figured WW III would be short. Very short.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Hekate
who believe some Bushites are clinically insane

[Fovea]

43. The beginning of the end

We cannot prosecute this war with conventional forces.

When we withdraw our forces to frontal positions resembling Saddam's in the first war with Iran, the Shia fifth column action will create unacceptable losses and command structure havoc for our conventional troop.

There are a limited number of ways we could prosecute an Iranian adventure, and all of them require a WWI-WWII level of totalitarianism. I.E. there would be a total war effort from the economy. There will be full employment, and gas rationing...

Oh yes, did I mention that Iran will fight a forward front war too?

1. Iranian cells in non-aligned countries with scant export inspection will launch bio-attacks (you can't call it terrorism if it is a state-sponsored counter attack to a war they did not start) on major port cities/air hubs. Weaponized Anthrax, Smallpox, and probably Ebola will be dispersed on Airliners heading for America and Britain.

2. All western oil x-fer facilities in the gulf will be sabotaged simultaineously.

3. This will further radicalize the Sunni Wahabbists, and Saudi Arabia will fall to Islamists.

4. 5th column actions in the EU will further cleve our support.

5. Russia and China will not only offer weapons support, but will start funnelling deniable units of 'Lincoln Brigades' into Iran with sophisticated weapons like the hypersonic cruise missle. American air superiority will melt under the collective strain of massive theater operations.

6. Then we use nukes, probably tactically, as if that *means* anything. Because once that happens, a second Cuban Missle Embargo will occur, with us in the role of the Soviets.

7. Then we either start Armageddon, or admit defeat. And I mean crushing, Versailles treaty kinda defeat. Wherein we face economic sanctions for a decade or so.


8. And then Caligula's propaganda minster will start the anti liberal pogroms aka the final solution to the liberal traitors who cost us the war... And most of us will end our lives in a camp in Texas or Oklahoma.

But if we manage to survive that, we will spend the rest of the century hunting down every neo-con bastard, and hanging them with piano wire from light poles.

Just a cheery thought, brought to you by someone who has paid attention to the 20th Century.


PS-- this will not happen without a draft. And frankly, despite the announcement of the SOTU topic, ** will probably 'divert' the topic to the 'impending emergency.'

[umass1993]

44. Great Post.

You've read history books. Normal people don't use the term "forward front war."

I wonder how much the Islamic warriors have learned from the North Vietnamese war strategy.

[Fovea]

45. Let me put it this way...

Yes, I have read quite a lot of 20th C history.

I also spent a lot of evenings talking to a miltary historian who wrote a couple of the histories the Army War College uses. When you war game with these boys, you better get good.

I was a co-founder of what is arguably the most successful army in the SCA.

I think the Islamists will go straight to the Tet offensive, skipping the prelude, or rather, they have already politicized the populace by letting us willy pete and Abu Ghraib the locals, and they have a complete playbook on how to destroy 21st century economies using the vital materiels and paradigms of 21st century economy.

The uprising that will occur when we start striking air defenses in Iran will make the Mau Mau look like an ice cream social. In the midst of that, we will supposedly be running the logistics for fighting Iran, who is decidedly *not* a paper tiger.

This has SNAFU written all over it in letters larger than the 20th Century Fox logo.

[stevedeshazer]

63. Thanks for the insight

This obviously is madness.

[dogfacedboy]

48. If the PNAC controlled

government starts WWIII, may awful, painful fates befall the lot of them. They will deserve no less.

[Buns_of_Fire]

49. Complete this sentence: Condi Rice is to International Diplomacy as...

...Charles Manson is to _______________.

[Fovea]

61. Your neighborhood block party.

n/t

[confludemocrat]

50. Key point: no way China is gonna let us cut off their oil for no reason

Empty talk from Condi. Iran is a case in point of the real new world order, which has as part of the picture a weakened, no-credibility, distrusted, hated pariah (us), with an economically strong Europe and ever-rising China to be reckoned with.

[Zynx]

65. We don't have the ability to go after Iran.

What army would we use?

[wickerwoman]

76. Ditto Russia.

Referring this to the UN Security Council is a joke. They're going to do whatever the hell they want anyway regardless of the UN.

[AndyTiedye]

54. Why Should We Believe Condolezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice?

She said Iraq had nukes. Not even close. Not even "nuclear-weapons-related-programs".

[orleans]

66. those words you said...mushroom ... and rice....

seem to go very nicely together

[depakid]

57. tic-toc

I almost hope the US does get into a pissing match with Iran. It'll end up being the straw that broke the US camel's back- and at this point, that's exactly what America needs. Better sooner than later, while there's still the opportunity to maybe oust the far right lunatics and start putting responsible policies in place for the future.

[DemoTex]

58. Bomb first, talk later.

It is the itchy-trigger-finger syndrome. War-mongering assholes.

[u4ic]

62. Did they ever START talking?

:shrug:

[leesa]

67. The Whore busily lies us into another nonsense war.

[xultar]

68. Well, that was quick!

:rofl:

[DemonFighterLives]

69. Some real diplomacy there ho

I hope the adults take over soon!
:argh:

[sarcasmo]

71. Kick and Nom #6 for WWIII.

[Imagevision]

73. Rice; "I believe the PDB said, UBL determined to strike within the US.

using aircraft!

[Imagevision]

74. Oil companies will love this - watch those gas prices go up as Bush says

he's doing it to protect us - this is turning into our worst nightmare with this administration.
They don't know what the fuck they're or do they? -- Our prices go up as Condi sjops for shoes and Cheney shops for estates as Halliburton laughs their asses off, the US. people are being made fools of!

[HuffleClaw]

77. who is she trying to fool? they've already LOST this fight!

and she bloody well knows it too, why are they pretending this is still ongoing?

[tavalon]

78. Rice says time for talking with Iran is over

or it will be by March.

Geez, could we be any more transparent Condisleeza?

[mogster]

79. Someone should make a comparison of rethoric used now

and rethoric used before attacking Iraq.

I did this in my blog in Norway, but don't have any links to articles in English.

The methods are identical; first escalate the rethoric, then refer to the UN to give it a sheen of legality, and then...?

[0rganism]

80. Yep, that thar's the "diplomatic" approach

Talk is cheap, but it takes cruise missiles to keep the "defense" industry humming along.

[earth mom]

81. The THUGS won't give up will they? No matter the cost!

This has become THE NIGHTMARE....that....NEVER ENDS!

[Supersedeas]

82. Ready the War Drums, Fire up the Fox News Machine, Condi smells blood

[noonwitch]

83. I still say let the Israelis take out their nuclear program

They are the ones most directly threatened by it. They also are really good at this type of operation.

[tatertop]

85. This is about the Oil Bourse, not the nonexistent nuclear weapons.

The Likud/AIPAC bunch wants the invasion to start soon
but they have no intention of doing their own dirty work.
Not with a fool like Bush in power.

[AtomicKitten]

84. I think Condyloma needs to go shoe-shopping. n/t

[struggle4progress]

88. Time for listening to Rice is over. eom