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McDiggy Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:03 PM
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Miners in Logan Co., West Virginia found, confirmed dead.
From local radio station. Sad, sad news.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:05 PM
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1. That really sucks...
...my prayers and thoughts with all their families.

I can't help but be angry, though, because I'm sure if laws were enforced, this would not have happened.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:07 PM
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2. sorry
so sorry
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:10 PM
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3. Just heard it on the news. So sorry.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:17 PM
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4. Damn! nt.
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McDiggy Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:19 PM
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5. link
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:21 PM
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6. Why haven't the media been focussing on this much?
The last mining disaster seemed to gain more media interest?
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:24 PM
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7. Less media focus since initial reports were hopeful for these miners n/t
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:24 PM
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8. CNN is covering it now.
Jay Rockefeller and Cong. Rahall (sp) talking about the to examine and improve mine safety laws.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:48 PM
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9. THey and their families will be in my prayers
the people who didn't enforce the safety regulations and those who jepordized their lives though will have no empathy from me.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:50 PM
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10. Shouldn't have happened.
None of this should have ever have happened.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:01 PM
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11. Manchin's vowing change.
Legislation for tracking devices, oxygen stations, etc. Mentioned "Today's technology" must be employed.


I say string the owners up the town square by their balls - then legislate!


There's no excuse for these deaths. None.

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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:35 PM
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14. Manchin is a GOP in disguise and is full of crap
he's been taking donations from the coal operators for years and has helped them skirt the law on mine safety

his sudden concern is just a ploy to keep his approval rating high.

Manchin is a rightwing, antichoice republican posing as a dem who has actually campaigned against democrats in favor of republicans in past governor's races. he won last year after vowing to post the 10 commandments in wv schools.
he's not to bve trusted.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:08 PM
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20. I was wondering about that, given all his posturing on TV.
Thanks for that info.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:31 AM
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24. Thank you.
One of the reasons I love these here 'internets'. I'll be watching to see if he actually does anything.


Probably a better bet for action would be Jay Rockefeller? I don't want to see these issues fade away after the funerals, dammit.

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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:06 PM
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12. How incredibly sad.
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 06:06 PM by Dulcinea
My deepest condolences to their families. O8)
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:26 PM
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13. May their families find peace in the
Word of the most merciful God. God is faithful and true, and He keeps His promises. Those miners have gone home to be with God. The families will be in my prayers tonight.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 08:37 PM
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15. The media needs to investigate the owner of this mine
it is non-union and owned by Massey Energy the CEO (Don Blankenship)is a Wingnut. Last year he spent $3.5 mil in a Swift Boat type campaign to elect a lawyer with no courtroom experience to the WV Supreme Court. He has also vowed to buy another judge this year. He had a vendetta against the sitting judge because he opposed mountain top removal mining.

http://www.ohvec.org/press_room/press_releases/2004/11_08.html

Massey Energy is also being sued by Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel, Massey had a long term contract to supply Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel with coal
but Massey was selling their coal at a higher price to other customers and telling Wheeling Pittsburgh they were having production problems. This forced Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel to buy their coal on the spot market costing them over $100 mil additional for their coal the last couple years. Blankenship was also accused of stock fraud a few years ago by company stockholders. He's another Kenny Boy.

What one of the previous posters said about Manchin being a Dino is exactly right.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:57 PM
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19. Great catch! n/t
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 08:41 PM
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16. The inevitable consequence of relaxing OSHA rules ...
but all that matters to Bush and Republicans is higher profits.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:14 PM
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17. The Republican Mine Disaster: Blood on their Hands
The Republican Mine Disaster: Blood on their Hands

The Republican Mine Disaster: Blood on their Hands
by PaulVA
Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 09:17:33 AM PDT

I couldn't help but watch the news reports of the mine disaster and feel like something was very very wrong.

Partly, it came from the coverage of the incident. Partly, it came from what the news media seemed to want the public to hear without telling the real story behind the accident.

While most of the coverage is focused on the human suffering of the families and of the miners trapped below the mine, I can't help but wonder why. Why did this happen in this day and age. It's 2006. Not 1916. when mine accidents were a common occurance. Update: MSHA Report on the Sago Mine with its weak and inadequate penalties.

More:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/3/111733/1034

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:16 PM
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18. Sago Mine Disaster (From Wikipedia)
2006 Sago Mine disaster
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

<snip>

A January 5 editorial in the New York Times <34> explicitly linked the safety conditions at the mine to the effects of "an industry with pervasive political clout and patronage inroads in government regulatory agencies." It noted that "political figures from both parties have long defended and profited from ties to the coal industry," and asserted that "the Bush administration's cramming of important posts in the Department of the Interior with biased operatives" created doubts about mine safety, singling out Steven Griles, a former mining lobbyist and onetime deputy secretary of the Interior who, the Times alleged "devoted four years to rolling back mine regulations." Federal responsibility for enforcing the Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977, which governs the activities of the MSHA, was transfered from the Department of the Interior to the Department of Labor in 1978 <35>.

A second editoral in the Times, on January 6 <36> discussed budget cuts to the MSHA and "the Bush administration's ... of a raft of political appointees directly from energy corporations to critical regulatory posts" in the context of the disaster, suggesting that the Sago 12 "might have survived if government had lived up to its responsibilities."

Other commentators, including Kevin Drum, a blogger for the Washington Monthly <37>, and Andrew Sullivan <38>, also linked the presence of Republican-appointed coal mining executives in the MSHA to the tragedy.

Jack Spadaro, a former director of the National Mine Health and Safety Academy who was fired after participating as a whistleblower in a prior case involving the MSHA <39>, made similar statements, referring to the "{current Bush administration's} reluctance to take the strong enforcement action that's sometimes necessary" in an appearance on the show Hannity and Colmes. Spadaro was criticized as "extreme left-wing" for his statements by host Sean Hannity <40>.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sago_Mine



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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:18 PM
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21. Fairmont Coal Company Mine Disaster
At 10:20 a.m., December 6, 1907, explosions occurred at the No. 6 and No. 8 mines at Monongah, West Virginia. The explosions ripped through the mines at 10:28 a.m., causing the earth to shake as far as eight miles away, shattering buildings and pavement, hurling people and horses violently to the ground, and knocking streetcars off their rails. Three-hundred and sixty-two men and boys died. It remains the worst mine disaster in the history of the United States.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvmarsha/mine.htm

1914
USA West Virginia
coal mine
Explosion at Eccles No. 5 & No. 6 mine kills 181.

1915
USA West Virginia
coal mine
Explosion at Layland No. 3 mine kills 115.

1924
USA West Virginia
coal mine
Explosion at Benwood mine kills 119.

1968
USA West Virginia
coal mine
Explosion and fire killed 78 men at the Consol No 9 mines at Farmington, West Virginia.

1972
USA West Virginia
coal mine
Dam failure at Buffalo mine in Saunders kills 125.

http://www.endgame.org/industrial-disasters.html

On four separate occasions between 1919 and 1921 the United States Army was ordered to intervene in labor disputes between miners and coal mine operators in West Virginia. Federal military interventions to maintain or restore civil authority threatened by unrest or riots originating from labor disputes was not unknown duty to army personnel. Between 1877 and 1920 several presidents had called upon the army to assist civil officials in quelling domestic disorders under authority of the Constitution and congressional statutes. In the vast majority of federal military interventions prior to 1917, regular army troops succeeded in restoring order quickly, with a minimum of injury and bloodshed, in strict adherence to orders issued within legal parameters set by the Constitution, federal statutes, and army regulations. Although questions of army neutrality were constantly raised, especially by labor groups and workingmen who were most often the focus of federal military interventions, historically United States Army actions during American domestic disturbances were amazingly non-partisan and non-violent when compared to the record of National Guard forces while under state control.1

Although intervention in labor disputes was a relatively routine duty for army personnel by 1920, the interventions in West Virginia represented a watershed in the history of the army role in suppressing domestic disorders. The Constitution and Revised Statutes of 1874 clearly defined the procedures for state authorities to gain federal military assistance and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1874 prevented the misuse of federal military power by local and state civil authorities before and after regulars had been deployed. Secretary of War Newton D. Baker suspended these legal procedures in 1917 for the duration of World War I when National Guard forces, traditionally the first recourse for state officials needing military forces to maintain order, were federalized for wartime service in France. With the absence of state military forces, the United States Army was called upon to fill the void under a policy developed by Secretary Baker known as direct access. A wartime expedient, the direct access policy allowed local and state civil officials to summon directly federal troops for quelling disorders without resorting to the complicated pre-war procedure involving the state legislatures, president, and the War Department. Without pre-war legal procedures, numerous state and local officials, at the behest of local businessmen and patriotic groups, took undue advantage of the easy access to federal troops to crush labor unions or suppress radical groups and dissenters. The years 1917-21 saw an unprecedented number of federal military interventions in domestic disturbances and labor disputes.2

http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh50-1.html
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 01:47 AM
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22. But, But, What About All The Other Miners
Who haven't died horrible yet preventable deaths?

</bushtard>
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:41 AM
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25. Remember Republicans in the Great Depression?
25% unemployment? Well, that means 75% have jobs. That's good news. Thousands starving to death? Well, most people have some food.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 10:57 AM
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23. Politics is always personal.
Miners die and it can be traced directly to the lack of foresight and compassion of people who are either Republicans or adopt Republican tactics. Yes, politics is most definitely personal.

I think the new symbol of the GOP should be the Grim Reaper.
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