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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:06 AM
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Wider Fight Is Seen as Alito Victory Appears Secured - fall elections
January 14, 2006

The Overview

Wider Fight Is Seen as Alito Victory Appears Secured
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

WASHINGTON, Jan. 13 - Democrats and Republicans say Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr.'s confirmation to the Supreme Court is all but certain, yet the fight over his nomination heated up on Friday as both sides seized on it as a flashpoint for Senate races in the fall and future court selections.

Despite growing certainty about the ultimate conclusion after five days of hearings, interest groups on both sides announced plans on Friday to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on television commercials intended to influence the outcome.

And within moments of dismissing the last witnesses on Friday, Republicans and Democrats on the Judiciary Committee traded accusations of bad faith in a dispute over when the committee and the Senate would vote on confirmation.

Officials of liberal groups insisted that they still held hope of blocking confirmation. Conservative organizers, on the other hand, said privately that their advertisements were partly a victory lap to call attention to a fight the president was winning after a spate of setbacks.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/politics/politicsspecial1/14confirm.html?ei=5094&en=727fdadd08205c9b&hp=&ex=1137214800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print


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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:08 AM
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1. The game
as scripted
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:14 AM
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2. Clara T, ain't gonna happen. And I
love you for your heart and info!
I think the Dems, with enough encouragement, might just prove the
lie.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:25 AM
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4. not sure what you're sayin'
then again not sure what i'm sayin'

I think Alito will go through as the road show moves on to the next event. Not optimistic but still clawin'


This relates to the spy scandal but seems relevant to the whole system at this point. It's coming down only to what we as caring people do in direct actions. The politicians are just too far removed from the reality of the daily grind. They don't care cause they don't feel it as they don't live it. Exceptions excepted.
"The Dynamic of a Bush Scandal: How the Spying ( or any other Bu$h scandal) Story Will Unfold (and Fade)"
by Peter Daou
The third button on the Daou Report's navigation bar links to the U.S. Constitution, a Constitution many Americans believe is on life support - if not already dead. The cause of its demise is the corrosive interplay between the Bush administration, a bevy of blind apologists, a politically apathetic public, a well-oiled rightwing message machine, lapdog reporters, and a disorganized opposition. The domestic spying case perfectly illuminates the workings of that system. And the unfolding of this story augurs poorly for those who expect it to yield different results from other administration scandals.
Here's why: the dynamic of a typical Bush scandal follows familiar contours...
1. POTUS circumvents the law - an impeachable offense.
2. The story breaks (in this case after having been concealed by a news organization until well after Election 2004).
3. The Bush crew floats a number of pushback strategies, settling on one that becomes the mantra of virtually every Republican surrogate. These Republicans face down poorly prepped Dem surrogates and shred them on cable news shows.
4. Rightwing attack dogs on talk radio, blogs, cable nets, and conservative editorial pages maul Bush's critics as traitors for questioning the CIC.
5. The Republican leadership plays defense for Bush, no matter how flagrant the Bush over-reach, no matter how damaging the administration's actions to America's reputation and to the Constitution. A few 'mavericks' like Hagel or Specter risk the inevitable rightwing backlash and meekly suggest that the president should obey the law. John McCain, always the Bush apologist when it really comes down to it, minimizes the scandal.
6. Left-leaning bloggers and online activists go ballistic, expressing their all-too-familiar combination of outrage at Bush and frustration that nothing ever seems to happen with these scandals. Several newspaper editorials echo these sentiments but quickly move on to other issues.
7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion. For example, just as this mother of all scandals hits Washington, Democrats are still putting out press releases on Iraq, ANWR and a range of other topics, diluting the story and signaling that they have little intention of following through. This allows Bush to use his three favorite weapons: time, America's political apathy, and make-believe 'journalists' who yuck it up with him and ask fluff questions at his frat-boy pressers.
8. Reporters and media outlets obfuscate and equivocate, pretending to ask tough questions but essentially pushing the same narratives they've developed and perfected over the past five years, namely, some variation of "Bush firm, Dems soft." A range of Bush-protecting tactics are put into play, one being to ask ridiculously misleading questions such as "Should Bush have the right to protect Americans or should he cave in to Democratic political pressure?" All the while, the right assaults the "liberal" media for daring to tell anything resembling the truth.
9. Polls will emerge with 'proof' that half the public agrees that Bush should have the right to "protect Americans against terrorists." Again, the issue will be framed to mask the true nature of the malfeasance. The media will use these polls to create a self-fulfilling loop and convince the public that it isn't that bad after all. The president breaks the law. Life goes on.
10. The story starts blending into a long string of administration scandals, and through skillful use of scandal fatigue, Bush weathers the storm and moves on, further demoralizing his opponents and cementing the press narrative about his 'resolve' and toughness. Congressional hearings might revive the issue momentarily, and bloggers will hammer away at it, but the initial hype is all the Democrat leadership and the media can muster, and anyway, it's never as juicy the second time around...
Rinse and repeat.
It's a battle of attrition that Bush and his team have mastered. Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:03 AM
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7. What I was saying is, you are a major inspiration for news, and
I really like you, would like to meet you, and appreciate you. Thank you,
Clara!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:41 AM
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9. On second contemplation, Clara, you are too
damn full of the truth, and it's scaring me. You I like for putting it out there, the truth, not so much. x(
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:53 AM
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11. You've done a great job of summing up the Republican
modus operandi.

If we don't somehow cobble together enough counted votes in 2006 to regain at least the House or the Senate, we will indeed be in for a long and bad ride. If Bush isn't removed from office before 2008, I don't believe that he will step down. I think he will declare marshall, saying that we will have to postpone the 2008 election. I hope I'm wrong on this.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 05:51 AM
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13. Bravo - you have done a great job!
What a concise summation of the total rethuglican domination of the political stage and the apathetic opposition. MSM deregulation has come to be the bane of progressive/liberal woes. And I hold the DLC/administration of Bill Clinton responsible.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:23 AM
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3. What did they need
to fight on Alito? They have his past decisions, his non-answers, every reason to believe he will decrease reproductive rights, civil rights, employee rights and allow the dictator all the war time powers he wants.

The media keeps saying we didn't get anything on him. He already had it on himself and did nothing to persuade us he wasn't as bad as his decisions indicated.

Did we have to get him to say "I am so far outside of the mainstream you couldn't reach me in a speed boat"

Victory secured? All this illegal crap bush is pulling and we let it pass? Even republicans should mind his bowing to presidential power, let alone our side be willing to fight this. If he is on the court gaining seats for 07 won't matter as much even if we get the majority. Any action we try to take to pull bush in can be appealed up to SCOTUS. You wouldn't think so, but who would have guessed they'd stop votes from being counted?

A country gone mad.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:39 AM
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6. Fun thought, too unreal for words tho
Alito gets filibutered, we take over the Senate in 06.

Course georgie has a long list of radicals ready to take Alito's spot if a miracle happened in the Senate. We couldn't put this SC seat off for too long.

It is time for the Democrats to get a break. We even wised up to Nixon finally. Nixon rocked along with the grumblings about Watergate in the background. Then all hell broke lose. Will history repeat itself?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:33 AM
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5. Wider fight, my ass.
This fascist is a threat to the constitution and to every one of us.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:11 AM
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8. What are our Democratic leaders afraid of?
They appear to be afraid to say "no" to Bush. Why is that? They give up so damned easily. Roberts, nothing. Alito, again, nothing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:43 AM
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10. Wider ass, your ass, that's all you think about?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 03:05 AM
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12. Didn't Leahy want a week before further consideration? To delay the vote?
What has happened with that? The article says the Dems will wait until Wednesday, when they've had a chance to meet among themselves.

So far neither side of the Senate shows any signs of easing up. As he dismissed the last round of witnesses on Friday, Mr. Specter opened a new debate, accusing Democrats of breaching a "good-faith understanding" that the committee would vote on Judge Alito next Tuesday so that the full Senate could vote by the end of the week.

But Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said the Democrats had never given up their right to a temporary delay. Mr. Reid, Mr. Manley said, had asked Democrats to wait to cast any votes until after the party met on Wednesday.

"The members have a right to carefully deliberate," Mr. Manley said. "It is an important nomination."


So, there's something going on. How does it work? Will Specter have to honor Reid's wish to delay, or can or will he force the vote for Tuesday? Does anyone have any idea what this is about?
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