Cuba paid Oswald to kill Kennedy, film says

[liberalpragmatist]

Movie claims LBJ halted investigation to avoid pressure to invade island

Updated: 11:36 a.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006

BERLIN - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film.

Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching “Rendezvous with Death,” based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives.

The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

<snip>

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10707630/

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Interesting. Obviously, nobody knows what really happened and CIA involvement is certainly quite possible. Interesting nevertheless.

[Ian David]

1. Duplicate

Duplicate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x49008

[bpilgrim]

32. lol - now they are back to the OFFICIAL theory

thanks M$MWs for keeping us informed :evilgrin:



peace

[MemphisTiger]

2. Wasn't this one of the theories in the JFK film

by Oliver Stone? Nobody knows what happend and nobody will know for a long time if ever.

[pitohui]

45. libra by don delillo

best book hands down on the subject

[DemoTex]

89. "Libra" is a great book by a great writer, Don Delillo.

Libra sheds a lot of light on some tangential aspects of the JFK assassination, including Oswald's attempted assassination of Gen. Edwin Walker at his Dallas home on Turtle Creek Blvd. in April of 1963. However, it should always be pointed out that Delillo's Libra is a work of fiction. So stated by the author himself. Having made my point, I tend to agree with Pitohui that Libra is one of the best works on the JFK assassination. BTW: When Libra was published it drove R/W columnist George Will into an apoplectic rage.

For my money, the absolute best book on the subject is Norman Mailer's Oswald's Tale. Mailer listened to bugs of Lee and Marina's apartment in Minsk (through the Russian equivalent of FOIA) and wrote about it. It is unbelievable! Marina had been busted for street prostitution in St. Petersburg (or whatever it was called then), and had been shipped to Minsk by her prominent family to live with an uncle who was a high-ranking officer in the military equivalent of the KGB.

The accounts of Oswald's mother were instructive. She bathed her sons until they were 18. No wonder LHO was so fucked up.

[Scout1071]

54. Yes. And the theory is outlined at the museum at the book depository

in Dallas. They have an interesting display of all the theories. And the room is sealed off with glass and the boxes remain as they were that day. Creepy.

[Maat]

3. I agree.

I have a feeling that there were multiple parties with multiple interests involved.

Very scary; it signifies to me that there are powerful groups of people who literally believe that they own and control the World.

[CanuckAmok]

4. That certainly would explain some facts, if it's true.

Such as the CIA's surveillance of "Oswald" at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico, for one thing.

[Greeby]

5. Pardon me if I have a hard time buying it

The idea that Cuba wouldn't be ground to dust if they had been behind the assassination? Sorry, no sale

[liberalpragmatist]

7. Well, whether or not it happened, I certainly think it's plausible

Although so are a number of theories. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened.

[Delphinus]

27. The truth is what I look forward to at my death.

I figure then I'll be able to know the truth about so many things.

[Ben Ceremos]

67. AND it is also

plausible that a fat white man in a red Santa suit flew onto my roof and left me this new computer...Lo que estan tratando es pintar Cuba y Fidel negro para poder atacarlos mas facil. Esta teoria es mierda.

[Capn Sunshine]

88. La misma mierda, diverso bolso.

I guess LBJ was fearful of a nuclear conflagration.

[arcane1]

11. maybe Bush will use this for a post-emptive invasion of Cuba

:shrug:

[Wabbajack]

58. Post-emptive!

Classic!

[Ben Ceremos]

68. "Post-emptive..."

you may be an arcane1, but you are very post-modern. Bravo for the superb neologism. :)

[Canuckistanian]

6. Wrong.

Obfuscation, misdirection, and disinformation.

:tinfoilhat:

[Union Thug]

10. That's my gut response too...

But I'm open...

[dflprincess]

42. My gut response caused me to make sure my tinfoil hat is on securely

I can see Shrub using this as an excuse to go after Cuba. Not that he'd really care about avenging JFK) - it'd just be an excuse to start another war.

[mom cat]

60. He already captured Haiti as a staging area.

[radio4progressives]

91. that's what the Aristide overthrow was about!... duh.. (sheesh)

that situation has been really baffeling to me.. now it makes sense, wonder why i didn't see this sooner... :shrug:

[Ben Ceremos]

69. I still remember

the Chimp declaring that Saddam "tried to kill my daddy"...anyone up for an international brigade to assist Cuban defense?

[radio4progressives]

90. I'm told that Cubans are well prepared...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=64470&mesg_id=71011

(I had a thread going on this subject too over at GD)


newswolf56 #100

I think the administration is indeed trying to soften up the public for an effort to retake Cuba, and I would not be at all surprised if this new film were part of the effort. I also think that if the effort expands into an actual invasion, the Bush Cabal will get its first taste of what it means to fight a genuine People's Army: the Cuban people are armed to the teeth with recent-issue Soviet weapons (AK-47s etc.), and as we speak these weapons are being upgraded by military-assistance teams from both Russia and China. Were there any real threat of a popular uprising against socialism -- in Cuba as elsewhere there never really is -- the population would not be so armed; note in this context that Chavez is similarly arming the Venezuelan people, again with Sino/Russian assistance. (The horror of course is that that "first taste of what it means to fight a genuine People's Army" will be experienced not by the Bush Cabal itself but borne by our own soldiers.)

[400Years]

8. what a joke

[Judi Lynn]

9. Nice try. Someone has had too much idle time on his hands.

Kennedy Sought Dialogue with Cuba

INITIATIVE WITH CASTRO ABORTED BY
ASSASSINATION,
DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS SHOW

Oval Office Tape Reveals Strategy to hold clandestine Meeting in
Havana; Documents record role of ABC News correspondent Lisa
Howard as secret intermediary in Rapprochement effort

~snip~
Among the key documents relevant to this history:

• Oval Office audio tape, November 5, 1963. The tape records a conversation between the President and McGeorge Bundy regarding Castro's invitation to William Attwood, a deputy to UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson, to come to Cuba for secret talks. The President responds that Attwood should be taken off the U.S. payroll prior to such a meeting so that the White House can plausibly deny that any official talks have taken place if the meeting leaks to the press.
  
  
• White House memorandum, Top Secret, "Mr. Donovan's Trip to Cuba," March 4, 1963. This document records President Kennedy's interest in negotiations with Castro and his instructions to his staff to "start thinking along more flexible lines" on conditions for a dialogue with Cuba.
  
  
• White House memorandum, Top Secret, "Cuba -- Policy," April 11, 1963. A detailed options paper from Gordon Chase, the Latin America specialist on the National Security Council, to McGeorge Bundy recommending "looking seriously at the other side of the coin-quietly enticing Castro over to us."
  
  
• CIA briefing paper, Secret, "Interview of U.S. Newswoman with Fidel Castro Indicating Possible Interest in Rapprochement with the United States," May 1, 1963. A debriefing of Lisa Howard by CIA deputy director Richard Helms, regarding her ABC news interview with Castro and her opinion that he is "ready to discuss rapprochement." The document contains a notation, "Psaw," meaning President Kennedy read the report on Howard and Castro.
  
  
• U.S. UN Mission memorandum, Secret, Chronology of events leading up Castro invitation to receive a U.S. official for talks in Cuba, November 8, 22, 1963. This chronology was written by William Attwood and records the evolution of the initiative set in motion by Lisa Howard for a dialogue with Cuba. The document describes the party at Howard's Manhattan apartment on September 23, 1963, where Attwood met with Cuban UN Ambassador Carlos Lechuga to discuss the potential for formal talks to improve relations. In an addendum, Attwood adds information on communications, using the Howard home as a base, leading up to the day the President was shot in Dallas.
  
  
• White House memorandum, Secret, November 12, 1963. McGeorge Bundy reports to William Attwood on Kennedy's opinion of the viability of a secret meeting with Havana. The president prefers that the meeting take place in New York at the UN where it will be less likely to be leaked to the press.
  
  
• White House memorandum, Top Secret, "Approach to Castro," November 19, 1963. A memo from Gordon Chase to McGeorge Bundy updating him on the status of arrangements for a secret meeting with the Cubans.
  
  
• White House memorandum, Top Secret, "Cuba -- Item of Presidential Interest," November 25, 1963. A strategy memo from Gordon Chase to McGeorge Bundy assessing the problems and potential for pursuing the secret talks with Castro in the aftermath of Kennedy's assassination.
  
  
• Message from Fidel Castro to Lyndon Johnson, "Verbal Message given to Miss Lisa Howard of ABC News on February 12, 1964, in Havana, Cuba." A private message carried by Howard to the White House in which Castro states that he would like the talks started with Kennedy to continue: "I seriously hope (and I cannot stress this too strongly) that Cuba and the United States can eventually sit down in an atmosphere of good will and of mutual respect and negotiate our differences."
  
  
• United Nations memorandum, Top Secret, from Adlai Stevenson to President Johnson, June 16, 1964. Stevenson sends the "verbal message" given to Lisa Howard to Johnson with a cover memo briefing him on the dialogue started under Kennedy and suggesting consideration of resumption of talks "on a low enough level to avoid any possible embarrassment."
  
  
• White House memorandum, Top Secret, "Adlai Stevenson and Lisa Howard," July 7, 1964. Gordon Chase reports to Bundy on his concerns that Howard's role as an intermediary has now escalated through her contact with Stevenson at the United Nations and the fact that a message has been sent back through her to Castro from the White House. Chase recommends trying "to remove Lisa from direct participation in the business of passing messages," and using Cuban Ambassador to the UN, Carlos Lechuga, instead.
  (snip/)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/

[ixion]

12. this would support the 'Magic Bullet' theory, which is bogus

hence, this is bogus by proxy, IMO.

[Zynx]

16. What about it is "bogus"?

It's firing a high sectional density FMJ rifle round through two people.

[ixion]

17. the physics are bogus

but, hey, that's my opinion. ;-)

[mistertrickster]

20. Actually the magic bullet wasn't so magic. It went through JFK's neck

which slowed it and caused it to tumble. Connely was lower and more to the center having been seated on improvised jump seats. He was turning and the bullet struck his rib sidewise. That's why the bullet looked "pristine." When you look at how Connely was seated, the path of the bullets line up pretty well.

[ixion]

23. that's great... you have your opinion

and I have mine. That's what makes horse races. :hi:

[PittPoliSci]

57. we've known about magic for years now...

see Chappelle's Show...

don't know why i brought it up, but smile! :-)

[Ben Ceremos]

71. Actually,

considerable debate is possible about the assassin(s), but the physics of the firing are not in dispute. Oswald could not have recocked and fired at the rate required to have done all the damage by himself.
Google it and you will find sufficient cause for doubting the latest "explanation".

[mistertrickster]

73. You're right, that theory gained a lot of acceptance. But CBS did

an exact mock-up using dummies in a moving car (actually train car) moving at the same speed and using a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle identical to Oswald's. One marksman hit the "Kennedy" dummy not twice like Oswald apparently did, but THREE times with three bullets in the time that Oswald shot.

There's a lot of doubtful and bogus information out there--much of it repeated without question in Stone's ridiculous movie "JFK". It takes a lot of research to ferret out the provable facts. I've done some of it, but by no means all . . .

[radio4progressives]

92. I saw that CBS piece of disinformation.. and here's why it is:

it is perfectly explained right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=64470&mesg_id=68054

newswolf56

>>Begin Quote<<

79. Your disbelief is more than warranted by at least five facts:

(1)-The three grades of military small-arms (rifle, pistol, carbine etc.) qualification are, in descending order, Expert (the very best shooters); Sharpshooter (good shooters); Marksman (barely adequate shooters). Poor shooters -- those who fail to qualify -- are made to shoot the qualification course over until they at least qualify as Marksman. Oswald was merely a Marksman, and this with the superbly accurate U.S. Rifle Cal. 30 M-1 (the "Em-One," the last reliably accurate service rifle the U.S. Government ever issued), and it seems to me -- not sure about this -- he bolo'd the course on the first try and had to shoot it again. (The same qualification grades apply in civilian competitive shooting. In civilian shooting there is also a Distinguished Expert qualification -- someone who fires Expert repeatedly -- but as far as I know {at least when I was in service} the military has no corresponding grade.)

(2)-The type of rifle Oswald allegedly used, a World War II version of the Model 1891 Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, was notoriously inaccurate, notoriously undependable, and because of its ergonomics -- the position of the bolt handle so far forward of the trigger -- was slow and awkward to fire. (This may require further explanation for those unfamiliar with firearms: a bolt-action rifle is fed by cycling its bolt. The trigger-finger hand lifts the bolt handle, draws it smartly to the rear {which ejects the spent cartridge case}, thrusts it hard forward {which lifts a new round from the magazine and chambers it}, and turns the bolt handle down again. The rifle must be thusly cycled before every shot. A "good" bolt-action rifle is defined as one in which this movement is aided by the close proximity of bolt-handle to trigger and can therefore be accomplished not only in minimal time but without changing the position of the rifle: examples include the German M1898 Mauser, the Mauser-derivative U.S. M1903 Springfield (the most accurate military rifle ever designed), and the superbly fast-shooting but not especially accurate British Lee-Enfield {which when fired by trained men can put down such a volume of fire enemies often think they are faced by machine-gun companies -- a mistake made by German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman troops in World War I, and by German and Japanese troops in World War II}). (Remember this point about the Lee-Enfield -- the fastest military bolt action in the world -- because we will see it again.)

(3)-The major factor prohibiting rapid fire with a Mannlicher-Carcano is that the bolt handle is so far forward only someone nearly as long-armed as an ape can cycle its action without changing the position of the rifle. Everyone else must lower the rifle from their shoulder to reach the bolt, work it as above, then lift the rifle back into shooting position -- this for every round fired, which more than doubles the amount of time required for each shot. (The Russian Mosin-Nagant, though unlike the Mannlicher-Carcano both superbly accurate and probably the most dependable military rifle ever issued anywhere, suffers from a similar problem.)

(4)-The only "virtue" the Mannlicher-Carcano had was that it was extremely cheap -- available for (as I remember) under $10 at a time when a far superior M98 Mauser (or the equally accurate, equally quick models of 1894, 1895 and 1896) could be had for only $5 to $10 more -- which is why many Mannlicher-Carcanos were sold, typically as cheap hunting rifles -- though only to people who were abysmally ignorant of firearms.

(5)-The rifle Oswald allegedly used was equipped with a very poor quality telescopic sight, which would slow his shooting even more as scopes of this quality were notoriously difficult to "pick up" -- that is, to see the target in -- because your eye had to be in exactly the correct position lest the scope seem to "go black." Furthermore, the scope was loose on the rifle due to poor-quality gunsmithing. Not surprisingly, no skilled shooter -- not even a team of Olympic-class shooters provided by the National Rifle Association -- was ever able to duplicate Oswald's alleged feat using the rifle in question.

Thus what rifles were actually used?

Probably the scope-sighted M98K Mauser (also?) found in the Book Depository and shown in the hands of a Dallas cop -- he is holding the rifle up over his head -- in an Associated Press photograph that has since vanished down the Orwellian memory hole, and probably also the two Lee-Enfields the Dallas police found in the parking lot behind the Grassy Knoll -- a find also reported by the Associated Press and I believe United Press International as well.

(Remember I was working that day, and we were all "reading the wire" -- that is, reading the news as it came off the teletype machines.")

Initial reports of the shooting -- these filed by seasoned journalists many of whom had either been war correspondents or had fought through World War II and Korea themselves -- agreed the President was felled by what sounded like "a burst of automatic weapons fire."

When AP moved the Lee-Enfield report, maybe an hour after it had reported the President dead, I remember the mind-click, thinking "no wonder it sounded like automatic weapons": just as the enemies of the British Empire had discovered in two world wars, trained shooters with Lee-Enfields could indeed create the impression of machine-gun fire.

>>snipped quote<<

cont...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=64470&mesg_id=68054

[mistertrickster]

93. Very interesting . . . I like guns and have a few including a WW2 era

M1 Carbine (fires pistol rounds).

I have a couple of quibbles with your information.

1. The marksman who hit the moving target in the CBS test was a gunsmith using a rifle identical to Oswald's cheap Italian rifle. He later wrote a book on his theory of who killed Kennedy. His name was Donohue, I believe. He thought that Oswald fired twice, missed on the first shot hitting the curb and sending bits of concrete flying through the air, one which hit Kennedy. Oswald hit on the second shot--the throat shot that also hit Connelly. Then something very strange happened: the SS man in the second open top limo sitting on the back of rear seat, picks up his AR15 (M16) and accidentally squeezes off a round that hits Kennedy's head at close range. That would explain the cover-up and a lot of the weird discrepencies. At any rate, this guy Donohue hit the moving dummy at three for three with the Oswald rifle mock up.

2. If all the lead was flying the way you said it was--where are all the bullets? JFK appears to get hit only twice in the Zapruder film. Connelly also got hit. But the two wives, the driver and the SS man were unharmed. Also, the car was examined . . . where were all the bullet holes from those "machine gun-like" Enfields?

[radio4progressives]

95. I'm not the Gun Expert who wrote that, you'll want to take it up with

the author of the thread - i thought I provided the link, here it is just in case:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=64470&mesg_id=68054
(newswolf56 #79)

but i'll just offer this: do you honestly expect that any evidence such as shells or bullets would have been left behind? I mean really?

Because if nothing else is evident, a massive cover up did take place. If they were going to rely on a single gunman scenario, which obviously that's exactly what was advanced immediately, they sure wouldn't have allowed for ammunition shells and bullets left lying around, they obviously had all the opportunity to at least clean that much up.

[mistertrickster]

97. Okay, well . . . that's my problem with conspiracy theories. Once

one starts with the conclusion that a massive conspiracy took place, then you don't have to really consider the evidence . . . anything contradictory that runs counter to your conclusion and you just say, "that was planted" or "that was supressed."

If JFK was killed with a meticulous and massive conspiracy, there's no way we have the tools to discover that.

But as far as the theory that Oswald couldn't have shot Kennedy with that rifle in that space of time, the evidence doesn't prove it. In fact, the known evidence contradicts it.

[mistertrickster]

98. That's the trouble with conspiracy theories. Once

one starts with the conclusion that a massive conspiracy took place, then you don't have to really consider the evidence . . . anything contradictory that runs counter to your conclusion and you just say, "that was planted" or "that was supressed."

If JFK was killed with a meticulous and massive conspiracy, there's no way we have the tools to discover that.

But as far as the theory that Oswald couldn't have shot Kennedy with that rifle in that space of time, the evidence doesn't prove it. In fact, the known evidence contradicts it.

[DemonFighterLives]

99. That was the worst information ever presented IMHO

Juxtaposing Kennedy and Connelly is fine, but the shot from the right is what throws it all off.

Edit to add: The Oliver Stone movie has been the closest to reality of anything that has been presented. Garrison was on the case and his book is fantastic and chockful of information.

[calico1]

13. That theory doesn't make sense to me.

I could believe the possibility of escaped "Batista" Cubans in the U.S. maybe having a hand in it. They were the ones were angry at JFK for the Bay of Pigs disaster.

[Canuckistanian]

52. Yes, them and some other well connected American thugs.

I believe they worked closely on this one. Just like they had back in the good old Havana days, making tons o' dough.

[Ben Ceremos]

72. Ding-ding-ding!!!!

We have a likely winner!!! Motive, training, arms, logistics and support from shadowy terror groups in the USA make the anti-Castro Cuban-Americans the most likely suspects. Calico1 has just opened up a very reasonable line of inquiry! Bravo!

[Justitia]

14. LOL - LBJ **AND** Cuba in one fell swoop! How tidy and cute. -eom

[Judi Lynn]

15. Here's another of Wilfried Huisman's films. It seems he has Castro on his

mind in the last years. He has done three films which concern Cuba:

Dear Fidel
aka: Lieber Fidel
Germany 2000, 92 min

Truth is stranger than fiction. Is it ever! Could one person have survived Bergen-Belsen, fallen in love with Fidel Castro and gone to Dallas with the CIA, armed to the teeth, days before the Kennedy assassination? Marita Lorenz says she has. Dear Fidel tells the fantastic tale of Marita’s life as Fidel Castro’s teenage lover, as a concentration camp survivor brutally raped at seven by an American soldier, as the paramour of a former Venezuelan dictator and as an operative of first the CIA and then the FBI. And there’s more. For the skeptics who doubt that one life can include such tragedy and such high drama, Wilfried Huismann’s sensitive portrait of Marita, who now gets by on welfare in New York City, is a revelation. He leaves to the viewer to decide the truth of Marita’s story. Did she abort Fidel Castro’s baby? Was she involved with the CIA? Did she go to Cuba at their direction to poison Castro? What was her involvement with the Bay of Pigs? Did she venture to Dallas with the CIA in 1963, days before Kennedy was assassinated? Did she know Lee Harvey Oswald? Jack Ruby? Was she involved with the Israeli Mossad? A fascinating film for those interested in US-Cuba relations, the Kennedy assassination, the workings of the FBI and the CIA, and the sometimes fine line between fact and fiction. A controversial film about a fascinating woman and her pervasive role in the history of the twentieth century. (German with English subtitles) -- Joan Saltzman, John Stuart Katz
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http://www.phillyfests.com/pfwc/2002/templates/film_details.cfm?id=899

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DEAR FIDEL - MARITA'S STORY

directed by Wilfried Huismann

2000 90 MINS Color


Holocaust survivor, lover of Fidel Castro, secret agent, unwilling witness to the Kennedy assassination inquest. As she tells it, Marita Lorenz's bizarre life story combines pages from spy-thrillers with hush-hush tabloid gossip. At age 61, Lorenz recounts her fling with Cuba's revolutionary leader, tells of her role in a misguided murder plot, and claims she trained in a CIA-backed terror unit alongside Lee Harvey Oswald. Now, with her son and filmmaker Wilfried Huismann in tow, Lorenz returns to Cuba and attempts to see Fidel one last time. TV14 (AC, AL)

PRODUCER
Wilfried Huismann

SCREENWRITER
Wilfried Huismann
(snip/...)

http://www.sundancechannel.com/popup/index.php?ixFilmID=2976

Imagine that! Producer and screenwriter, too!



Wilfried Huismann

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

*Dear Fidel Those unacquainted with Marita Ilona Lorenz's career may find the opening of Wilfried Huismann's documentary deceptively banal. In 1959, in Havana's harbor, newly victorious Cuban leader Fidel Castro boards the German cruise ship owned by 19-year-old Marita's father. The young woman embarks on a crush that proves lasting, as the now 61-year-old woman heads back to Cuba. Bit by bit, however, the story unravels into a retelling of the most sensational of cold war careers. Forced to abort Fidel's child six months into her pregnancy, she ends up recruited by the CIA to assassinate him – and that's only the beginning. From her childhood in a Nazi concentration camp through shifting alliances among gangsters, G-men, and strongmen in the brutally male theater of the cold war, Lorenz's life takes extraordinary turns, through the Bay of Pigs and even JFK's last ride, while her loyal heart develops an intriguingly sophisticated armor. We see her affair with exiled Venezuelan dictator Marcos Perez Jimenez, for example, as at once a lover's revenge (Fidel was furious over her "going with" that "fat monkey"), a survival strategy, and the fulfillment of a complex psychological need. Huismann's quirky film – blending surprising interviews with hokey reenactments and musical interludes – is not quite as idiosyncratic as its subject, but it's completely captivating to the end. (1:32) Roxie. (Avila)
(snip/)

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:YmO07NyiSIkJ:www.sfbg.com/36/31/x_list_film.html+%22Wilfried+Huismann%22&hl=en

[daleo]

18. I have heard theories of Cuban involvement, but supporters of Batista

I.E. - people who were angry at Kennedy for not trying a second invasion after the Bay of Pigs. It doesn't seem likely that Castro would be able or willing to assassinate Kennedy.

As others have stated, it seems more like misdirection. Maybe something is due to come out from some other angle, and this is preemptive misdirection?

[Minstrel Boy]

19. Bullshit then and bullshit now, and here's why

"Obviously, nobody knows what really happened"

Enough is known that we can call this misdirection.

Oswald was a CIA patsy set up to appear to be pro-Castro, so after the hit it would appear the Commies got Kennedy. (Oswald's communist "legend" was being crafted for years - his "defection" to the Soviet Union, for instance.) This, in fact, is why Justice Warren directed his commission towards the safe "lone gunman" conclusion: Cuban involvement could have precipitated a nuclear war. Of course, the CIA's role was then hidden behind the double-blind of "lone gunman" and "Cuban asset." It's not called a Hall of Mirrors for nothing.

No President before or since was more agreeable to making peace with Castro than John F Kennedy in the months preceding his death. It was the anti-Castro Cubans that had a hate-on for him.

From The Guardian: "Revealed: how Kennedy's assassination thwarted hopes of Cuba reconciliation":

"A few days before his assassination, President Kennedy was planning a meeting with Cuban officials to negotiate the normalisation of relations with Fidel Castro, according to a newly declassified tape and White House documents.

"The rapprochement was cut off in Dallas 40 years ago this week by Lee Harvey Oswald, who appears to have believed he was assassinating the president in the interests of the Cuban revolution. {Minstrel Boy sez: As if.}

"But the new evidence suggests that Castro saw Kennedy's killing as a setback. He tried to restart a dialogue with the next administration, but Lyndon Johnson was at first too concerned about appearing soft on communism and later too distracted by Vietnam to respond.

...

"Peter Kornbluh, a researcher at Washington's National Security Archives who has reviewed the new evidence, said: 'It shows that the whole history of US-Cuban relations might have been quite different if Kennedy had not been assassinated.'"


And from Fidel Castro's television address to the Cuban people, November 23, 1963, "Concerning the Facts and Consequences of the Tragic Death of President John F Kennedy" (the complete speech is reproduced in Martin Scholtz's History Will Not Absolve Us):

"International tension had even diminished considerably in recent months. These months were not months like the October crisis. The United States was not living through one of those stages of McCarthyism characterized by unbridled persecution of the most progressive elements in the United States.... No, the United States was not living through such a period. It was living through a period of fierce controversy between the more moderate sectors - among which can be found many of Kennedy's collaborators - and the ultra-reactionary sector of American society.

...

"It just so happens that these events occurred precisely at a moment when Kennedy was being severely attacked by those who considered his Cuban policy too weak.

"It could not be us, but only the enemies of the Revolution and the enemies, in general, of a more moderate policy, a less warlike policy, the enemies of a policy like this who might be interested in the death of President Kennedy, the only ones who perhaps could have received the news of the death of Kennedy with satisfaction.

...

"We cannot categorically affirm what is behind all this, but we do affirm that is is suspicious; that we must be careful, that we must be vigilant, that we must be alert. Because this man (Oswald) may be innocent, a cat's paw, in a plan well prepared by people who knew how to prepare these plans; or he may be a sick man and if so, the only honest thing is to hand him over for a medical examination and not to be starting a campaign extremely dangerous to world peace; or he may be an instrument very well chosen and very well trained by the ultra-right, by ultra-conservative reaction of the United States with the deliberate aim of eliminating a President who, according to them, did not carry out the policy he should have - more warlike, more aggressive, more adventuresome policy. And it is necessary for all people of the United States themselves to demand that what is behind the Kennedy assassination be clarified."

[mistertrickster]

21. Right, I could never see how putting LBJ in the White House was going

to benefit Castro. Sure, they were peeved over his half-hearted help for the Bay of Pigs invasion, but realpolitick would outweigh vengance.

[FlaGranny]

22. Thanks for posting that.

I had seen this information before, but could not remember where.

[Up2Late]

43. And if anyone still has any doubts, check out who suddenly is an LBJ...

...expert>>> From the BBC News Article: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4582488.stm>

"...Veteran US official Alexander Haig told the film-maker that Kennedy's successor, Lyndon B Johnson, believed Cuba was to blame and feared a pronoounced swing to the right if the truth were known that would keep the Democrats out of power for a long time.

According to Mr Haig - a US military adviser at the time and later a secretary of state - "he said 'we must simply not allow the American people to believe Fidel Castro could have killed our president'.

"He was convinced Castro killed Kennedy and he took it to his grave...."

[Beam Me Up]

51. Thanks MB. Right on.

:thumbsup:

[struggle4progress]

24. Huismann has an obsession with Cuba, doesn't he? eom

[BiggJawn]

25. Hmmmm...Poppy's "amnesia", Cuban Exiles who are loyal to the BFEE...

Wasn't Oswald supposedly a dinner guest at some party thrown by a Bush brother?

Bush can't recall where he was on the day JFK was killed. IMO, that makes him the only human born before 1959 or so in the world who can't remember...

The Exiles are loyal to Bush because they kiss their asses, Poppy was in on the Bay of Pigs, and helped whack JFK to "get even".

Yeah, I know it's pure, 100% Tinfoil Hat, but would anyone be surprised to find out that it's all true?

[DemonFighterLives]

100. I'm not arguing with your conclusions

but are you thinking about Hinckly's brother dining with Neil Bush which was planned before the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan.
Let's see- who would have come to power had Reagan passed on?

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. Kennedy was killed by Americans - PNACers, Masons, Illuminati -

.
.
.

Take ur pick . .

The "World Order" groupies that have been going at it for over 3 centuries

Kennedy was the only President in my lifetime that I know of, with maybe the exception of Clinton, that I believe really cared about people - -

That's just my Canuk Observation . .

and yeah - I've been around long enough that I actually made a presentation in my Grade 7 class regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis

I was in Grade 8 when our teacher broke down in class upon the news of John Kennedy's assasination . .

World might even be safer if Cuba had got to keep it's nukes . .

hmmmm -

maybe they hid away one or two?

sumthing to think about . . . .

[Zynx]

30. Um, ok. Wow. Go take some meds, please.

[ConcernedCanuk]

84. Thank you for your detailed critique of my post

.
.
.

I will certainly give it all the thought that your well thought out response deserves . .

And shucks -

I ain't got no meds

But have a :toast: on me

and remember

It WAS just my Canuk's opinion

silly me

:silly:

[truth2power]

101. Just ignore that response, Canuk...

I remember the day Kennedy was killed. No doubt in my mind, from the very beginning, that it was an American job, and it wasn't Oswald.

[bemildred]

28. Horseshit. nt

[Ouabache]

29. Where does he say Oswald met Mohammed Atta ?

couple of patsies. just sayin'....

[KansDem]

31. Perhaps Castro was peeved at the revelation of "Operation Northwoods"

I mean, we only first learned about it 40 years after the fact, but perhaps Castro had intelligence that told him about it in 1960. "Real" intelligence, not the "faulty" intelligence that Bush always gets.

on edit: personally, I feel JFK was killed by a right-wing, fascist group of some sort.

[Up2Late]

33. BBC News: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot' (new film claims)

(First let me say B*llSh*t, this is a single sourced film, according to this article, and it goes 180 degrees opposite to declassified "Secret" documents that were declassified and released in the late 1970's. BUT the anti-Cuba/Castro sheep will eat this crap up.)

Wednesday, 4 January 2006, 23:08 GMT

JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'

A new documentary exploring the death of John F Kennedy claims his assassin was directed and paid by Cuba.

Rendezvous with Death, based on new evidence from Cuban, Russian and US sources, took three years to research. One source, ex-Cuban agent Oscar Marino, said Havana had exploited Lee Harvey Oswald, who was arrested but shot dead before he could be tried.

Conspiracy theories on the killing have variously accused Cuba, Russia and the US of acting alone or jointly. According to Oscar Marino, the Cubans wanted Kennedy dead because he opposed the revolution and allegedly sought to have its leader Fidel Castro killed.

Mr Marino told film director Wilfried Huismann that he knew for certain the assassination was an operation run by the Cuban secret service G2, but he declined to say whether it had been ordered by Mr Castro. Cuban intelligence made contact with Oswald after being alerted by the Russian KGB in 1962 when he returned to the USA after living in the Soviet Union for three years, Cuban and Russian sources say.

"He (Oswald) was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him," Mr Marino said. A possible Cuban connection was investigated by the US immediately after Kennedy's death.

(more at link below)
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4582488.stm>

[Faygo Kid]

34. I was 12. Mrs. Burgoyne's history class. Let it go.

All the great ones are killed, always. MLK, RFK, JFK. Even Reagan had no idea about the evil we face. And he was shot at, as W never has been. See you in the camps.

[MileHiStealth]

50. John Hinkley ...

One thing that seems to have been buried is
the fact that Reagan's would be assassin,
John Hinkley Jr. , is the son of one one of
Neil Bush's business partners in the Silverado
Savings and Loan scandal.

[Warpy]

35. My BS detector says this film is total horse shit

made by a bunch of idolators of the rich to smear Castro.

Think motive, means and opportunity. What was Castro's motive? Kennedy had reneged on the air support that might have made the Bay of Pigs fiasco more successful. Castro likely had much more to fear from any Kennedy successor than from Kennedy, himself!

Means: any crazy anywhere can get to any figure he wants to, as long as he's not particular when it comes to getting out alive. However, it would have been quite difficult for Castro to get any of his agents in undetected.

Opportunity: That depends on a lot: having a man who was crazy enough to immolate himself in the attempt, having Kennedy's itinerary, and having access to the Dallas Book Depository building. That latter might have been quite problematic without inside help.

Personally, I find it much more likely that this was an operation mostly of the mob (who'd lost their paradise in Havana and been sold out by Kennedy who didn't find a steady supply of hookers adequate payment for calling in the Air Force) and Batista Cubans within the CIA. Ruby, a low level mobster with a terminal diagnosis, was sent in to shut Oswald up, and mobsters keep their mouths shut.

The only thing any of us knows for certain is that the Warren Commission produced a whitewash. Anything else is speculation. However, speculating that Castro killed Kennedy seems beyond ridiculous.

[killbotfactory]

38. Yep. The Warren Commission was intentionally biased.

They didn't want any conclusion reached that would lead to a conspiracy. Johnson was scared a nuclear war would break out if there was one and it led to the commies. As went the evidence of a foriegn conspiracy, so went the evidence of a internal conspiracy. And we are all just left to wonder and wade through mountains of disinformation and red herrings.

[megatherium]

36. I remember the 'Illuminatus! Trilogy' novel by Robert Anton Wilson.

Several times in the novel, one shadowy character or another describes being at Dealy Plaza with their rifle, aiming at the president, but before they could pull the trigger, someone else shoots the president -- still leaving obscure who really did it.

[Chemical Bill]

37. I honestly believe...

that the very new, very poor government of Cuba was able to outwit the well established US government with it's many resources. Plus it makes sense that the US government has continued to cover up for the dastardly Cuban plot that killed our leader. :sarcasm:

Bill

[IndianaGreen]

39. Laying the groundwork for an invasion of Cuba?

Fact: Lee Harvey Oswald was an FBI informant.

Fact: Lee Harvey Oswald was not the man that went into the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City.

Fact: The Soviets only allowed Oswald to defect after he attempted suicide.

[peacetalksforall]

40. I'll be waiting to find out who funded this and who says what about it..

My bet on who assassinated JFK (if we're talking Cubans) would be on Cuban-Americans who were on the payroll of or 'insourced' by the CIA. Cuban-Americans were EXTREMELY bitter. They hated JFK. There were too many people with revenge on their minds.

Image Porter Goss with Cuban-American mafia and many more.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but we've had 40 + years to think and study - so what is new here?

[anotherdrew]

41. bullshit - cuba would have had others killed first, if they wanted to

[Dancing_Dave]

44. This "theory" avoids all the evidence against the "lone gunman"

The official "lone gunman" theory is PHYSICALLY impossible given basic facts from the crime scene. This whole movie is nothing but a propaganda distraction away from the real evidence. It's central contention about who killed President Kennedy is provably false, and indeed was proven false decades ago!

The people who really engage in veiled assasinations and false-flag "terrorism" are getting desperate! They will hire anyone they can to put a new spin on their lies and propaganda! :headbang:

[niallmac]

49. But it supports the idea that there needs to be a patsy.

Taken in that context it could be one part of the bigger cross fire puzzle.

[Up2Late]

46. I wonder if this film will attempt to explain this photo

I'm still not sure I buy the official conclusion, and would love the opportunity to scan this Negative with a modern scanner.

More at this link: <http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald_doorway.htm>

Here's the Warren Commision version: <http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0304b.htm>

[The Straight Story]

55. what was oswald wearing when they nabbed him? (nt - still reading up)

[Up2Late]

56. Here's the picture and the best close-up I've found

I just search Google with the words: Oswald doorway <http://www.google.com/search?q=Oswald+doorway+&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official>

You get a bunch of wacky Conspiracy Theory web sites, but they have the best photos.

[Doctor_J]

47. Is this one of the entries at the "Conservative Film Fest"

for this year? Yeesh, these people think we're as stupid as they are.

Lamar Hunt, GHWB, Murchison, Ruby - RW repubs and CIA all.

[Judi Lynn]

48. How likely is this OTHER "documentary" film by Wilfried Huismann?

This is downright pathetic:

SYNOPSIS



"Dear Fidel"... writes Marita Lorenz before she sets off on a trip to Cuba in spring 2000, a trip into her past with Fidel Castro.

Film-maker and three-time winner of the Grimme Prize Wilfried Huismann accompanied her on this trip and documented the dangerous drama of her lifelong love to Fidel Castro. At the same time Marita's story provides a breathtaking glimpse into the secrets of the Cold War.

In 1959, at the age of 19, Bremen-born Marita meets Fidel Castro for the first time on board the "Berlin". Her father is the captain. Marita stays on in Havana as Fidel's lover and becomes pregnant as a result. After she loses her child through a forced abortion and Fidel also loses interest in her, the CIA sees her as an ideal tool for murdering Fidel Castro. In Miami she is subjected to intensive brainwashing for this purpose. "They made a robot out of me," recalls the 61-year-old now. The "trainers" knew that she had been in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp as a child and had been raped at the age of 7 after the war. "They said anyone who had survived Bergen-Belsen could also work for the CIA." When she returns to Fidel's suite in the Habana Libre Hotel with the poison capsules, she spontaneously decides to throw them into the bidet. "Love was stronger". Marita returns to her employer without having accomplished her mission.

The further course of her life is thus mapped out. She is an accessory to governmental crimes of the USA. "It is easy to get into the CIA, but there is only one way to get out: in a coffin." (Marita) In addition, she becomes fond of the life as a "happy gangster" on government missions. She trains for the war against Cuba in the swamps of the Everglades, steals weapons and drops leaflets over Havana: Down with Fidel. She adds in handwriting: Fidel, I love you.

At the order of the CIA, but also out of disappointment over Castro, she begins a relationship with the former dictator of Venezuela, General Marcos PÈrez JimÈnez, who finances the sabotage campaigns against Cuba. The affair produces daughter MÛnica, a child of the Cold War. Her son, Mark, is a product of her later marriage with an FBI agent. The entire family spies on Soviet and Chinese diplomats in a high-rise building, under the camouflage as caretaker. In 1976, however, the idyllic life as a spy is over when Marita is caught up with by the shadow of the Kennedy assassination.

Before the members of the Investigation Committee on the assassination of J. F. Kennedy, she testifies that she went to Dallas with her CIA-financed terror unit and a trunk full of weapons in November 1963, a few days before the assassination of the president. One of the men was Lee Harvey Oswald, she stated.
(snip/...)

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dear_fidel/about.php

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As others have pointed out, it would be GREAT to find out who his backers are. I'll bet they all live in Miami.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

65. I'll bet that some of the backers lived in Texas, while others lived...

....around Washington, DC.

[Matilda]

53. Castro had no reason to suppose that LBJ or any subsequent president

would be kinder to Cuba than Kennedy, who was far from a rabid Castro-hater, and according to
his biographer Robert Dallek (An Unfinished Life), was secretly trying to build bridges to
Castro when he died.

And it still begs the question of why they would want to use a man who was a lousy shot and a bit
of a dill as well to carry out the plan.

Nope, I'm afraid I think the assassination was home-grown - whoever it was.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

66. Turns out that Oswald held a Crypto security clearance when he was....

...a U. S. Marine radar operator on the super-secret U-2 project that was based in Atsugi, Japan. And it is even more remarkable that he managed to supposedly "defect" to the Soviet Union, live and work there for a while, and then return to the United States with a Soviet-born wife and young child.

No problem.

And what was Oswald doing when he lived in New Orleans? He handed out fliers in support of Castro, but the fliers had been printed by a printing company that was a CIA front.

And how did he get that job in the Texas School Book Depository? Where was he located inside that building when JFK was killed, or was he really in the doorway while the limo drove by?

Too many questions and so few answers.

[NuttyFluffers]

59. apparently Castro's beard is just like Clinton's penis -- all powerful

clinton's penis did this, castro's beard did that...
:silly:

[Psephos]

61. We finally get a bona-fide conspiracy theory here, and no one's on it????

Heh heh

OP should have said Rove masterminded it when he was seven...then we'd be lining up behind it. LOL

:wtf:

[Jara sang]

62. In this situation I think it's best to take the State Departments advice.

Identifying Misinformation

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html

[radio4progressives]

94. I didn't even know this site existed... Look at what I just found...

President Bush's great-great-great grandfather was a cousin to a Biblical Scholar by the name of Reverand George Bush (five generations removed from the current dubya)who wrote a book (published in 1830) titled "Life of Mohammed", and apparently recently reprinted 50 copies by request as "an interesting historical curiosity" and apparently translated in Arabic.

According to U.S. Misinformation site, the book "refers to Mohammed as an "impostor" and describes Islam as a "heresy" and "horrid superstition," although it reserves its strongest criticism for Roman Catholicism."

Apparently Reuters reported on this story back in 2002, and i was very active in other matters and missed this story entirely.

read full text here:
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation/misinformation_more.html

[Bravo411]

63. Does this mean ..

we're going to invade Cuba now?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. Cuba had JFK assassinated??? That's total crap....

...just what the goose-steppers want you to believe.

Total rampant, unadulterated bs. Yet another red herring for some to chase like a dog after a thrown stick.

[Tight_rope]

70. Bullshit! Total bullshit!

[onefortheroad]

74. Yeah, and Fidel supposedly did not order it.

Let me think about that. There were so more important things going on in Cuba at that time that they figured that Fidel didn’t need to know about this.

I guess they figured he would find out about it in the morning paper.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

75. Nah, I think Executive Order 11110 got him killed.

Central banks no likie.

[XemaSab]

76. What's the point of being paid

if you know you're going to go to jail for life?

I call bullshit.

[K-W]

77. Even if this is true.

And I am quite skeptical.

It is important to remember that it would have been a completely legitimate act by US standards of legitimacy. I'm not sure how it would stand in international law. He was the commander in chief and the US was attacking Cuba.

[Octafish]

78. So, Castro also must've changed the motorcade route?

And got Lee Harvey Oswald a job a few weeks before, just where the change would be?



Right.

[Rex]

81. There is another thread on this and a picture of the Mexico City

LHO. I swear it looks just like a younger Jack Ruby.





It's that jaw line.

[Schema Thing]

103. No chin cleft on the Mexican

lol, I sound like I'm an anal retentive ordering lads for a swingers party. "Thick, manly wrist on the swedish lad, if you could please; and NO chin cleft on the Mexican. Nothing worse than a chin cleft on a Mexican lad, eh wot?".

[Rex]

105. It's the magical cleft!

:silly:

[bluerum]

79. Oswald has well known connections to the Soviet Union and Cuba.

As I recall, he had traveled to the Soviet Union several times and was a big fan of communism.

[Minstrel Boy]

85. They were well known because they were meant to be.

[David Zephyr]

80. Total Misinformation. I'm still waiting for the Allen Dulles "documentary"

Neither Fidel Castro's Cuba or the old Soviet Union had anything to do with John Kennedy's murder.

On the other hand, a certain gentleman that helped orchestrate us the U.S & British coup in Iran in 1953, the U.S. coup in Guatemala in 1954, the U.S. & French artifice of "South" Vietnam in the 1950's and later, the failed U.S. Bay of Pigs Invasion --- and who also hated John and Bobby Kennedy because they fired him --- might have had something to do with it. He certainly had decades of experience in political assassinations, didn't he?

[Julius Civitatus]

82. How convenient! - Let's bomb Havana!!!!

I'm sure Chimpy is thinking that right now.

[JMDEM]

83. Wow -- I thought you all would be more up on this

Okay, first, that guy in the doorway is not Oswald -- I can't remember his name, but it is well documented in Robert Groden's pictorial book on the JFK Assassination. Old stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140240039/104-0608539-5361500?v=glance&n=283155

I would strongly recommend visiting Colonel Fletcher Prouty's website: www.prouty.org. Prouty was the person played by Donald Sutherland in Oliver Stone's movie JFK.

To the one poster who said that the JFK movie was a load of crap (or whatever words you used) it serves as a very accurate 4 hour condensation of the best research in the area for over 25 years. Stone really did his homework before making the movie.

There is so much evidence of a conspiracy it is overwhelming. 90% of the theories center around the same themes -- the Secret Govt. within our Govt. that took it upon itself to rid themselves of an unwelcome outsider who wouldn't follow orders from them. The remaining 10% of the theories deal with the idea that the Mob did it, or assorted other loonie ideas. These are often thrown into the mix to muddy the waters.

Look -- a team was assembled to get rid of Castro. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the team was reassembled in Mexico to deal with Kennedy. They were brought in to Dallas -- The brother of the General who ran Bay of Pigs operation was the mayor of Dallas. These were the best of the best (or the worst of the worst) killers in the world. There were three teams of shooters (a shooter and an assistant in each team) -- one in the book depository, one in the Dal Tex building, and one on the grassy knoll. This was actually exposed in a movie way before the JFK movie -- the earlier movie was "Executive Action", with Burt Lancaster.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6300268047/qid=1136530041/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0608539-5361500?v=glance&s=video&n=507846


The first shot missed -- it was probably from the Dal Tex building, because it hit way up the street, and there's no way someone in the Book Depository would have missed by that much, with such a steep angle from the Depository.

Then there was the neck shot to Kennedy. Now, I have to ask -- how can the same weapon that blows Kennedy's head half off cause an itty bitty wound in the neck? Kennedy's wound in the back was way down his back -- no way it could have exited the neck. You can see where the darned bullet entered from the autopsy photos. For it to exit through the neck would mean that it would have to change course fairly radically in Kennedy's body. Well, that can happen if it deflects off of bone, but we have that darned pristine bullet. Plus, the bullet would then have to change course again in mid-air to head back down into Connelly.

There were several shots fired, probably 4 or 5, before the fatal head shot. The one that hit Connelly did not hit Kennedy. In reality, two shots probably hit Connelly -- one that shattered his ribs, and a different one that shattered his wrist. The rib shot probably came from the Dal Tex building. The wrist shot probably came from the book depository.

When it was clear that there was no fatal shot, two signal men gave their signal to the team on the Grassy Knoll. You can see this in the Zapruder film. One guy pumps his umbrella up and down, while the other does the same with his fist. You can see these signal guys. You can see the signals. The Grassy knoll team was dressed as Dallas cops. They weren't supposed to shoot unless necessary, because they were relatively exposed. When the signal came, the shooter swung his rifle over the picket fence and fired a frangible bullet into Kennedy's skull. They then stashed the gun in the trunk of their car, right now. When people ran up toward the Grassy Knoll, these two Dallas cops were there running around with their revolvers drawn, looking for the shooters, except the cops were the shooters.

Nixon was in Dallas on the day JFK was killed. Nixon later said he couldn't remember where he was on that day, but anyone over the age of 10 remembers where they were on that day. It was later proven that he was in Dallas acting as an attorney for Pepsico. Nixon later threatened to expose that "whole bay of pigs thing", recorded in his secret tapes. He was going down, he knew it, and he was threatening to take a whole lot of other people down with him by implicating them in the JFK hit. "That Bay of Pigs thing" was his code for the JFK killing.

Bush Sr. was there too. His company, Zapata Oil, was involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and a lot of the same people were involved in Watergate. E. Howard Hunt was actually photographed as one of the "tramps" rounded up in the railway yards behind the grassy knoll. Well, allegedly photographed. I've seen the picture and it sure looks like him. More information can be found at:

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

Look -- all the stuff I've said is well known. It's all out there. You just have to do a little reading.

[DemonFighterLives]

104. Good Post

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[JVS]

86. Cuba certainly had good reasons to do this.

But I'm not completely convinced. There were plenty of groups that had beef with JFK

[hippiechick]

87. Haven't those photos of 'Oswald' at the Mexican Embassy ...

... been shown to be 100% SOMEONE ELSE ??


:shrug:

[goforit]

96. Poppy will love this one.

[olddad56]

102. It couldn't have been Papa Bush and the CIA.

[DemonFighterLives]

106. You forgot the sarcasm tag

:dem: