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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:22 AM Original message |
Man waving knife killed by New Orleans police |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. It was clear from the videotape I saw that he wasn't well... |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't know the details, but police officers |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Whatever happened to shields and batons? |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. What if they clubbed him and he ran away |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. There were at least 15 cops surrounding him (I counted)... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
48. Yes I agree |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
177. It did appear to me that he was surrounded and outnumbered. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #177 |
232. Spoken like someone who's never been stabbed. n/t |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #232 |
254. Nah, but I've been smacked over the head with a hammer |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
178. Also, I'd like to add a question about the video being cut short. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. I don't think that it is the policemen's jobs to determine what |
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SomewhereOutThere424 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. "and ran away" |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
180. "because the person didn't comply" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. Or a darn TASER??? n/t |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Other than the person who was shot in the eye and killed, |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. If someone has a deadly weapon, police use deadly force. |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Well, we learned on 9/11 that boxcutters are deadly weapons... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Let me ask you-if a private citizen would shot someone |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. One-on-one, no, not ridiculous to use a gun... |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
110. The video shows him moving away |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #110 |
144. And while he was moving away, he hasn't been shot. |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #144 |
159. This quote is |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #159 |
173. If Mr. Brokaw didn't see anyone near him, WTF was he looking |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
181. Do you mean like an untrained woman who is being abused in her home?? |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. So if 15 cops were on a plane and a person with |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. *Yawn* - no one was on a plane in this case... |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Yawn. And he wasn't using box cutters either. It was a knife. |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I was addressing your "deadly weapon" comment... |
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SomewhereOutThere424 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
72. OMG! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. If the guy with a knife was coming at you , you would |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
112. Again, he was not coming at them |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. According to the police, he was, when they shot him. |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #116 |
137. The video tends to disprove that and dead men tell |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. The video does not show him being shot, so, how does it |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #145 |
160. None of the witnesses mention |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
168. IMHO, you summed it up completely and sensibly. |
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SomewhereOutThere424 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
70. Deadly weapon? ROFL |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
211. I love how when gun control is discussed, somebody will |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. oh come off it; real men have faced tigers! |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Actually that sounds..... |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. i think you're right.... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
86. When the Man and the Myth.... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I am sure they have. Don't you the tiger would have been shot |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
35. a tiger be offended by 'here kitty kitty kitty'! |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. This is why I don't expect better when it comes to cop commentary. |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
39. maybe if the media wasn't so fulla 'cops are heroes' bs all/time |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
190. Many cops are heroes |
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seeminer21 (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. Thank you! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. If someone is coming at me with a knife-I am not going to worry |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Sure. one-on-one, I might feel differently about use of a gun... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. So, if a private citizen was in a public place, surrounded |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Let's stick to the facts of the case... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And they shot him. Totally appropriate, I think. |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I never suggested the cops going after him... |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. sounds fair to me... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. Well, if you want to wrestle with an armed man, that's your |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. its simple they are cowards and KILLERS |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Better be a live coward, than a dead hero. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
139. You've never heard the term 'dogpile', have you? n/t |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
41. then that speaks volumes about law enforcement |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Um, it's simple math, really... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I'd not fear the man with the knife |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Still no constructive rebuttal? I'd quit now if I were you... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Self deleted |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. As much as I hate them |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
140. Except they haven't got any tasers. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #140 |
169. I'm sure that using tasers would have been preferable, to anyone, than |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #169 |
174. They have not got any tasers. Do you want them to use |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Perhaps they should request them. These have got to be better than guns. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #176 |
193. And as soon as somebody is killed by taser, everybody here |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #193 |
204. Well, they didn't have tasers, so this is a moot point. Apparently, |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #140 |
244. Whoa,Whoa.... |
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SomewhereOutThere424 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. lmfao |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. That's what we did in Miami |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
208. Yup, I agree with you. This is very similar to what happened in Miami. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. Really, that's insulting |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted sub-thread |
saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
186. adios |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
23. Sounds to me like the very situation for which tazers are intended |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. maybe they had them taken away for misuse |
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NIGHT TRIPPER (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Tazer/Pepper Spray/fire extinguisher/ many NON Lethal methods available |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. They USED pepper spray, read the freakin article. n/t |
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NIGHT TRIPPER (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. no FREAKIN' duh Sherlock! read my post-lethal force was not necessary |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
205. really |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. But they did NOT use a tazer or any other non-lethal means. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
134. This department does not carry tazers. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #134 |
158. So having 15 officers shooting him is the alternative? |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Here in California when this women pointed a replica gun at officers... |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
25. This thread is sad. My grandfather was a policeman |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. well Clarkansas, there are some of us who don't love police |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Societies need laws since human nature has a definite darkside to it. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. You must not have much experience with the police n/t |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
106. I agree with you Clarkansas |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
29. I'll wait to see the whole video before casting judgment. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
31. NO police must have taken lessons from the San Diego PD |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
32. Why can't they hit them with tranquilizer guns or something |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
36. So apperently New Orleans is |
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NIGHT TRIPPER (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. yeah yoo rite ! n/t |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. Suicide by cop. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Kagan lays on her back for a living. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
188. the city is not dying AND there are a lot of suicides |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
43. ever heard of a hundreds of years old device called a man-catcher? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. sure have |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. just such a device would render these situations non-lethal |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
189. but they DID use a non-lethal means |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #189 |
207. gee, you think maybe they could keep it in their car or trunk? |
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loveandlight (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. use of extreme violence too accepted |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. bingo . . . well said . . . n/t |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Yes, I agree with this. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Even though I agree with some of what you say |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
61. Does the NOPD have PTSD? |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
62. At least he had a weapon |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. And these officers won't ever be charged. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. Michael Moore did a fantastic AWFUL TRUTH piece on that issue |
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SomewhereOutThere424 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
75. The problem is bush, again |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. This was completely different |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
79. I saw the video at lunch (repeatedly!) |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. It doesn't show the end of it because the guy that was |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
80. Any video of when the guy actually get shot? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. No. The guy that was shooting the video |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Six figure incomes? You got to be confusing real cops |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. Cops in California make six figures nt. |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. What part of California? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
166. They all make overtime nt |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #166 |
185. What is the source for your claims? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. Personal experience and... |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Can't argue with personal experience... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. I know cops, I've worked with cops |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Well, the facts don't seem to support your |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Yes, they are fat Republican bastards taking food out of the mouths of |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. I'm not indicating support or non-support. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #201 |
209. LOL |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #209 |
251. Now the facts are up against... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:23 PM Original message |
Read post 206 nt |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #251 |
259. Read post 206 nt |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #196 |
206. Okay then ... |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
161. Well here they don't even make 30 grand |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. And where do you suppose it COMES from? nt |
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silvermachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #161 |
187. I don't think it's all consuming cop hatred... |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #99 |
218. I asked one of the deputies in my area who |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. face it the average cop is the one |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #227 |
230. Not so |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #230 |
236. b.s. |
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238. Deleted sub-thread |
americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. NOLA Cops don't make that much money. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Some of you might die, but this is just a sacrifice I am willing to take? |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Been there, done that. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Cops have treated me like shit. I have never been protected by them, |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
217. it's easy |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. Then they can all fuck off |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #220 |
225. I'll give you a quarter |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #225 |
229. I've BEEN stabbed |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. so what??? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. Deleted message |
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239. Deleted message |
Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #239 |
243. so the mentally ill |
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246. Deleted sub-thread |
blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
111. also been there and done it... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #111 |
148. A remarkable story indeed. Somehow I doubt |
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blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. not a remarkable story... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Well, I sure as hell couldn't do nothing to defend myself, and |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
129. When THEY have GUNS? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #129 |
194. What would exactly be a point of having guns, |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #87 |
162. Exactly so. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
107. BS |
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blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. as I work in the finance field, I can tell you that.. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. As I work in the law enforcement field, I can tell you |
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blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #122 |
133. "That is simply not the case. " |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. your original post suggested that it is the norm for officers |
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blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. how does my 1st post suggest all make 6 figures? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #113 |
245. Yea, cops make 6 figures. And tiny little women can |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #107 |
167. Every tax penny I ever paid |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
118. I'd hate to try to live on this "six figure" income |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
89. Have to disagree with police spokesman |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. You can easily kill someone by shooting them in a leg. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. True, I just don't think lethal force was needed. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. We didn't even see the end of that tape. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Ergo, shoot him in the leg or both. |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. The camerman said he heard about 10-15 shots. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Lizzy I think you have made your point over |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. Why should it be a fair fight? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. Exactly. It's not like it's a duel. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. What about "crazy" "mentally unbalanced" eludes you? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Mentally unbalanced people can obviously be a lot more |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Really, then why the never ending |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #124 |
149. Lizzy's profile is disabled |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Well, what exactly do you think can there be in my profile |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Dear Puglover |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #130 |
141. Sorry about the "pal" comment, it was snarky, however |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #141 |
150. One more quick thing....please check out this Reuters link.. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. Exactly. The victim was a very large man. And the knife wasn't all that |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
123. Rex - have you taken any tactical handgun training? |
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DubyaSux (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
100. Why.... |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. It is routine in any incident like this that |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. He was outnumbered, 15 to one. |
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Polemonium (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Good grief.... |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. GMTA. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #103 |
172. Have it ever occurred to you that they are well armed for a |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Just because you put a word in bold, does not make it true. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. DubyaSux - I'm with you on this one - too many armchair warriors |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. A question for you... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I got the impression that the NO PD was not the best equipped |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. I had the thought about the flooding as well. n/t |
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Polemonium (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. Good grief...again |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Bullshit. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:12 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. That fucking ignorant bullshit has been proven in training |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #135 |
156. Only if you're a wimp. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #156 |
215. when someone tries to come at you with a knife or other |
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DubyaSux (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #127 |
147. Although... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:16 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. Again- apologetic bullshit. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #154 |
213. pure unadulterated b.s. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #114 |
131. The 21 foot rule is accurate |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #131 |
146. Here's a link to an article on the 21 foot rule |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #146 |
157. The article itself admits it's a controversial policy. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #157 |
202. wrong... |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
164. None of those eyewitnesses |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:17 AM Response to Reply #114 |
179. Well then I guess the guy deserved to be shot 10 times. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #179 |
210. so... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #210 |
253. They had that luxury, why don't you go watch the video |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #253 |
260. you obviously know nothing |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #260 |
268. Far more than you do, evidently. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:58 PM Original message |
did'nt you say you were a cop |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. I agree. This was completely unnecessary. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #125 |
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classics (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
152. Oh I see the L-WORD |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
163. Moral of the story: Drop the friggin knife when the police tell you to. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:33 AM Response to Reply #163 |
182. comply or die |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:03 AM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Ridiculous argument. |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #183 |
191. That type of argument abounds in this thread. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #191 |
240. I agree whole heartedly Stranger |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #191 |
255. I'm just glad none of these people are cops! |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. when confronted with a person with a deadly |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #256 |
258. Your response is funny |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #258 |
261. how about |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #261 |
267. 11 years as a sworn law enforcement officer |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:53 PM Response to Reply #267 |
271. well tell me then |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #271 |
275. LOL |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. got owned |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
170. "Where does all this COP HATRED come from?" |
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classics (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Look at it this way. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Exactly my point. |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #175 |
219. truth |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. It's just that knife-wielding maniacs capture the public's attention |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #223 |
228. That, and the fact that it was videotaped. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #170 |
247. Ph.D's, ride-alongs, and knife fights |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #247 |
257. Yes, I've led an interesting life. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #257 |
262. maybe in your own mind |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. What, and reveal my identity to the likes of you? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #263 |
265. yep b.s. all the way hahahah n/t |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. It's funny to watch you laughing |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #266 |
269. you are a joke |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. You do realize |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #270 |
272. keep on coming when I call you.....n/t |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #272 |
273. Sure thing, this is fun |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #273 |
274. Deleted message |
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278. Deleted message |
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DrBloodmoney (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
184. I hope the family sues the pants off the department |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #184 |
203. You don't face a threat with a deadly weapon with a |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #203 |
252. you're a fool with no honor if you would kill so easily |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #184 |
212. I love how we expect that an individual can be allowed to do |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #212 |
249. BUT HE DIDN'T _attack_ ANYONE WITH THE KNIFE. he was just "wielding" it |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #184 |
276. And if they win, they'd collect a string of Mardi Gras beads |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
192. Man carrying screwdriver shot, killed by Carlsbad, CA police... |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #192 |
214. a screwdriver is considered an edged weapon |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
199. What, no cop-lovers wanna take on 170? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
216. rubber bullets anyone?? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. Rubber bullets are specialized weapons for crowd control |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. if they can shoot a lead bullet at him, what is wrong with rubber? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. I rather the police shoot and kill the guy, then this guy kills a dog. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #224 |
231. Rubber bullets bounce around and are dangerous to bystanders |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #231 |
234. a rubber bullet can also be deadly at close range like |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #231 |
235. Police dog is considered an officer, actually. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #235 |
241. ok, a police pig then |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #235 |
242. self delete |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #235 |
248. A dog's life is more valuable than a human's. |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #216 |
250. sure, I'll have one |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
279. locking |
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