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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:36 PM
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Rice: World Not Helping With Saddam Trial

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/13/AR2005121301142.html

Rice: World Not Helping With Saddam Trial

WASHINGTON -- The world has shirked its duty to help prosecute Saddam Hussein, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Tuesday.

"The international community's effective boycott of Saddam's trial is only harming the Iraqi people, who are now working to secure the hope of justice and freedom that Saddam long denied them," Rice said.

The top U.S. diplomat also predicted that the Iraqi elections this week would yield the most democratic government "in the entire Middle East." She did not mention the long-standing democracy in Israel.


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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:37 PM
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1. That's because the rest of the world
wants to see her and her cohorts in the docket too.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:24 PM
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51. She is a very ugly WAR CRIMINAL
Who has helped Kill thousands of innocent children

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:38 PM
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2. So who the hell does Condi think she is?
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 04:56 PM by Loonman
She's got a messiah complex, like her boss?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:40 PM
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3. So when someone assassinates one of Saddam's Lawyers...
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 04:54 PM by ck4829
That must mean they are securing justice and freedom, right?

War on Christmas

War against Christmas
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:41 PM
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4. Take him out of Iraq then and get him to the Hague.
We'll have some real justice then.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:58 PM
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15. Can't do that, of course, because the Hague doesn't try people
unless there is an international crime -- and if we let him go on trial for attacking Iran or for invading Kuwait we'd leave ourselves vulnerable because of our complicity in those crimes. That's why he's being tried in-country for a purely internal crime.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:41 PM
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5. Because you haven't delivered him to the Hague yet, dumbass.
The stupidity of this administration is amazing.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:05 AM
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28. so what?, the Hague should try Saddam anyway
Hague --> lazy bums

on the other hand,
giving a life sentence to hanged corpse
would seem pointless to some,
it the thought that counts
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:38 PM
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46. Not
stupid,just very evil.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 06:25 PM
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53. Agreed.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:42 PM
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6. In a democracy the world should not be helping!
If this were a real trial, He could face his accusers and the jury would be by his peers or people from Iraq.
What crap!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:43 PM
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7. Condi, Condi, why didn't you just bring Saddam to The Hague??
...a neutral location in Europe, if you wanted help from other countries.

Saddam may have been a scumbag, but the way things stand, the BFEE seems hellbent on making him a Sunni martyr. Yeah, like THAT will get Sunnis to cooperate with a new government.

:evilfrown:
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:43 PM
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8. the rest of the world had to be threatenen into joining
the so-called coalition of the 'willing ', committing their blood and treasure so as to further *' s doubtful goals, and now, after the DSM and other disclosures and the loss of so many lies, is highly hesitant to jump back on *'s bandwagon.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:43 PM
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9. What a picture!
can't remember who this reminds me of, but I know it's from some movie...

Austin Powers maybe?


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 06:20 PM
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52. she's got your Hague right ch'here...
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:45 PM
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10. What does she
think--Saddam's trial is a big dog pile? It's a dog pile, alright--butthe dogs that are making this mess are the BFEE.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:48 PM
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11. Sheesh, if you want the "world" to help, trial him in a "world court".
What is it with this mal-administration anyay. They piss on the world, saying "my way or the highway" until they have things so f'd up. Then they point their finger and holler "you're not helping matters any". Saddam's trial should have taken place in an International court of law. This mal-admin wanted no such thing. Now the "world" is suppose to partake in this circus they've created?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:34 PM
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48. But if Saddam's trial were to take place
in an international court of law, the U.S. would lose control of the trial, as the U.S. is not a member of the Internation Court.

Remember, Whistle ass decided to withdraw the U.S. signature from the Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Must be that condi forgot all about that.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:51 PM
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12. I'm enjoying this.
Whenever Condiment Rice or any other member of the Bush crime administration gets upset, I'm happy.

Because in this Upside-Down world, whatever they think is good, is bad. Whatever upsets them, is actually a good thing. If they hate it, you know IT'S OK.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:52 PM
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13. I bet if we sent him to the Hague, they wouldn't shirk
their duty. Gee, I wonder if their lack of eagerness to help has anything to do with our policies? :eyes:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:55 PM
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23. ....or they know the deck is rigged....Maybe the world is looking
at Condi like they do Hulk Hogan.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:56 PM
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14. maybe if we had the bush trial first, condi? maybe you'd get him off their
collective minds and consciences.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:36 PM
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16. Saddam would call as his first witness at the Hague...
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 05:37 PM by Dunvegan
...Donald Rumsfeld.

And the rest of the * administration shortly thereafter...BOTH * administrations.

No Hague? Then it's not an INTERNATIONAL war crimes trial, Condisleezi.

Quit yer whinin'.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:41 PM
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17. 99% of the rest of world didn't support our illegal invasion, either....
....STFU, Kindasleazy.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:50 PM
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18. Help with Saddam's kangaroo court of a trial? No way!
Saddam should be tried by the International Crimes Court at The Hague, but then he should be joined by the likes of Bush, Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, and the Black Mamba herself.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:51 PM
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19. Well then, the rest of the world just must be "Saddamites", then.
:eyes:

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:01 PM
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20. That Condi! She's Something Else, Isn't She?
Anybody know what it might be?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:20 PM
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21. Remember the TV show 'V'?
I think she snacks on live hamsters.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:27 PM
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22. Damn you world, what good are you anyway!? you're just a lazy,
shiftless, do nothing planet..

C'mon world, you're a lot bigger than Saddam, you could whip his ass...c'mon, you can do it..

Thankfully, the world recognizes the joke that is the Saddam trial. MKJ
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:57 PM
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24. The world will help at Condi's trial - not to worry. n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:59 PM
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25. The Whole World is Watch'n
& keep'n score

peace
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:04 AM
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26. Here's Reuters take on it

Rice: countries "boycotting" Saddam trial


Tue Dec 13, 2005 07:12 PM ET

By Sue Pleming

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Tuesday accused the international community of shirking its obligation to help prosecute ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein by effectively boycotting his trial. Without naming specific countries, Rice said she was saddened many nations had done little to help prosecute Saddam. Many European states declined to cooperate because they oppose the use of the death penalty at the trial.

"All who expressed their devotion to human rights and the rule of law have a special obligation to help the Iraqis bring to justice one of the world's most murderous tyrants," she said in a speech to the Heritage Foundation think tank. "The international community's effective boycott of Saddam's trial is only harming the Iraqi people who are now working to secure the hope of justice and freedom that Saddam denied them," she added.

A State Department official declined to say which countries Rice was referring to. But he pointed out that many nations had opposed the fact that if found guilty Saddam faced the death penalty which is outlawed across Europe. "Being opposed to the death penalty and helping Iraqis to find out the truth and hold those accountable for war crimes are not mutually exclusive," said the State Department official, who asked not to be named.

International human rights groups have questioned whether the court can provide a fair trial and doubt its legitimacy because it was established during the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Saddam is being tried with seven others by a special court in Iraq. The trial has been chaotic since the start and is now adjourned until December 21.

<http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=10577645&src=rss/topNews>
(more at link above)
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:44 AM
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27. Shaddup you stupid psychotic bitch!
I'm sorry, but certain words are meant for certain people. I'd use worse words...but I think my post would get deleted!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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29. Rice says world not supporting Saddam prosecution
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=afcc76815df847fb

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Tuesday lamented what she said has been an effective boycott by the world community of support for the war crimes prosecution of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Addressing a policy research group, Ms. Rice also renewed U.S. criticism of Iran for alleged meddling in Iraqi affairs.

The Secretary of State gave a generally up-beat assessment of international financial support for Iraqi reconstruction and democratization efforts.

But in an appearance at the conservative Washington policy group, the Heritage Foundation, Ms. Rice faulted the commitment of Iraq's Gulf neighbors, who she said should be doing a lot more.

more...

Well the world is run by some nasty dictators and they wouldn't support this plus they see it as a sign of aggression ...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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30. Lovuian, your last line in your post nails it and nails it good.
I appreciate this update on Dr. Rice. She's a horrendous mess and an embarrassing excuse for a Secretary of State.

I wonder if she's alert enough to realize that her Pseudo-Cowboy boss is not faring well in the polls. And his international reputation is not exactly gleaming, either.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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31. Ya where is Condi??? She seems to be running around doing
nothing and getting no support where ever she goes HA HA HA!!!

and wonders WHY???
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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32. Yes. Maybe she's out buying shoes in Georgetown again.
That's where she was when Katrina slammed into the Delta South.

Good god let's get this administration out of Washington fast.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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39. actually she was in Manhattan
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 06:29 AM by leftchick
buying shoes from Ferragamo no less.....


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:21 PM
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44. Whoops. I've got the wrong town. Well anyway I hope she --
-- found a swank pair to flash at the next summit.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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33. Facts is
The US is alone ooops I forgot about Australia and Britian.
Upbeat about international financial support haha
How much till date :rofl: woof woof
faulted the commitment of Iraq Gulf neighbour
bawaaah bawaaah we failing cause they not helping

As to Saddam trail lol
Which country would support
You go in their take over their country and put the leader on trail :rofl:
What is there to stop you from doing it again?
Rice dumb all the money spend on education cant even think right.
Like the chimp say
"Fool me once, a fool cant get fool again"
:rofl: :rofl: Listen to your wise chimp Rice the Lice
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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34. The "world", unlike the US...
...doesn't support the death penalty, and they are unlikley to freely participate in a prosecution in a kangaroo court likely to result in that verdict. No amount of whining is going to change that.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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35. I forgot
Hague waiting with door open.
Come here Rice girl door open and waiting.
Here world all represented and also very very supportive.

Now quit your bitching.
Solution always ready and waiting.

Bawaaah Bwaaah they dont want to play "My Way"
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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36. Hey Rice, you break , you bought it.
It's not up to Iraq's neighbors to do anything.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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37. Since Ms Rice claims to have studied International
Relations, she should know that the entire invation is a violation of said law. It follows that she should know that the entire prosecution is a farce and is as illegal as the invasion. Did I say Fugg Rice.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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38. but boy, isn't the world going to support sending her and the bush boy and
his fatty acid VP and yellowed teeth rumsfeld all to Le Hague?

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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40. Because they know who financed and encouraged Saddam's war crimes
They aren't blind. They also know his US controlled lawyers are only trying him on one massacre charge which will not bring to light the US involvement with selling him the gas that "gassed his own people" and GH Bush setting up the anti-Saddam Iraqis and then abandoning them to slaughter(by weapons we supplied, of course) on the Highway of Death after Gulf War 1. They would probably rather these things were brought up in this phony trial.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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41. Hey dumbass bitch, the world owes you nothing, if you are too dumb
to understand the consequences of your agression and illegal wars, that's your problem.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:55 AM
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42. what war-crimes trial?
this is a ridiculous show "trial" packaged for the PR consumption of the Iraqi and Murkan public.

why should anyone else support it? If the bush crime gang want support, they should turn Saddam over to the World Court for prosecution. (But they can't because they are just as guilty of war crimes as he is.)
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:59 AM
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43. Nominated - Major Agreement here among DU'ers
Condi dear, if dubby was added to the card, I would bet that there would be much more cooperation.
I thought I was the only one here who liked Ramsey Clark's move.
I don't want to look like I support Saddam, but it is a justice thing with me. I didn't support Tookie either, but I didn't want to see him killed.
Killing Saddam in Iraq will solve none of Iraq's problems.
Question:
Was the killing of Saddam's sons as good of a deal as the freepers thought? I sure thought they could have been gassed or something and brought to trial.
:shrug:
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:32 PM
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45. Want some Brie with that whine, Toots?
Sheesh. What a piece of work this one is.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:40 PM
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47. Stop whining bitch
We went in pretty much alone, and the rest of the world wants to make sure we are embarassed by that. So they're just waiting to watch the neocons fail on their own as well. That's what we deserve at this point. Most of us don't give a shit--we hope you all fall on yours faces. Have fun, bitch!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:51 PM
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49. Perhaps BushCo wants to pay world less than prevailing wages?
Bush: "C'mon! We need judges, juries, prosecutors, attorneys, detectives, stenographers, and the like. Whad'ya say?"

World: "How much are you paying?"

Bush: "Well, I thought we could start you at a sub-minimum, training wage. It's the Republican way."

World:
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:55 PM
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50. duh, no shit sherlock n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 03:55 PM by judaspriestess
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 06:40 PM
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54. Is that why the US will not sign ICC laws? Or join up? Projecting as
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 06:41 PM by applegrove
always. The neocons are the ones who try and bully places in Africa to not go the ICC way. They threaten to pull CIA information from any trial. At least they they were talking about last year at conferences when they were still drunk on Kool-aid and though they had controlled the world.

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