'I treated people who had their skin melted'

[TeeYiYi]

'I treated people who had their skin melted'
By Dahr Jamail
Published: 15 November 2005

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"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud," he said. He had seen "pieces of these bombs explode into large fires that continued to burn on the skin even after people dumped water on the burns".

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Burhan Fasa'a, a freelance cameraman working for the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC), witnessed the first eight days of the fighting. "I saw cluster bombs everywhere and so many bodies that were burnt, dead with no bullets in them," he said. "So they definitely used fire weapons, especially in Jolan district."

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Some saw what they thought were attempts by the military to conceal the use of incendiary shells. "The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah," said one ousted resident, Abdul Razaq Ismail.

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He said he saw bulldozers push soil into piles and load it on to trucks to carry away. In certain areas where the military used "special munitions" he said 200 sq m of soil was being removed from each blast site.

More: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article327136.ece

TYY

[fooj]

1. I can't believe not ONE MSM has reported this!

:grr:

[texpatriot2004]

2. The Corporate Media Whores should pay for this. n.t

[fooj]

3. Yep. They MUST be HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!

Peace.

[jayfish]

4. Don't Worry They Will.

As evidence of more of Saddam's "mass graves"

Jay

[Greeby]

6. I can believe it

Think for a second, and answer these two questions

1. Who owns the MSM
2. Who makes the munitions in question?

When you find the answers, you'll know why they'll never cover this story :think:

[Angry Girl]

21. Who's your daddy? Networks and their owners

# New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark, Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi

# Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette, G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan, Moody's

# Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels

# The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft, McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo

# News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments

# GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble

# Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette, Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo

# Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America

# Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target, Pepsi

# AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0624-25.htm

[LiberalEsto]

7. They were "embedded"

and kept away from these things.
That doesn't excuse the media, though.

[Megahurtz]

24. Yup, sugar-coat the truth,

and keep America stupid.:sarcasm:

[slay]

35. They won't show the horrors of Iraq, or talk about the stolen elections

or what really happened on 9/11 and why. I urge everyone to do your own research into these subjects and to come to their own conclusions. We can not continue to let the media and politicians try to tell us what to think, because they obviously are not telling us the truth. :mad:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

41. Dennis Kyne has been trying to get the word out for YEARS...

...that we have been using depleted uranium since the Gulf War. Dennis has spoken at many major protests, and was arrested last year in NYC, for "inciting a riot and resisting arrest" though the 2nd part was dropped when video footage showed up that proved he had not resisted arrest at all...

He wrote, "I know people (veterans) who came home and their skin literally melted away from their bones. The military told men they had pneumonia, and two days later they'd tell their wives they died of cancer. How does that happen?"

He is real inspiration and deserves credit for all he has been doing to get the word out

http://www.denniskyne.com/about/du/

[Sabriel]

49. It's reported by Arabic peoples, in non-US sources

Therefore, not true and ignorable.

I think you'd have to march US citizens past the remains of Iraqi civilians, ala post-concentration camp liberation practices, in order for people to truly believe we did this.

Even then, there would be plenty of people who would say a.) it's been done to them by their own people or b.) was necessary to expose insurgent cells.

As my favorite bumpersticker says, "I fear my country AND I fear my government."

(preposition edit)

[readmylips]

5. That's a frighting story against 'Support the Troops' chit....

God Oh Mighty...what has America come to?

[jayfish]

9. Just Wait Until They Get Their Hands On These.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020826-thermobaric.htm

MARINE CORPS EYES PORTABLE THERMOBARIC WARHEAD FOR URBAN OPS

By Malina Brown

Naval researchers are developing a portable version of the thermobaric bombs employed to clear caves and bunkers in Afghanistan for the Marine Corps to use in urban combat.

Thermobaric weapons are fuel-rich explosives that suck air from its target, creating a lethal combination of heat and pressure that burns longer than conventional explosives. The weapons are effective on hardened, underground facilities, which are among the most difficult targets to eliminate.

Scientists and engineers at Indian Head, MD-based Naval Surface Warfare Center are fabricating a thermobaric warhead that can operate with the shoulder-mounted multipurpose assault weapon. According to a statement from Naval Sea Systems Command, the Marines were so impressed with the success of thermobaric weapons used in Operation Enduring Freedom that they approached the Indian Head researchers and requested a shoulder-mounted version of their own.

The Marines expect to receive the shoulder-mounted thermobaric arms in the near term, according to Maj. Thomas Bowers, the infantry requirements officer in the materials division at the Marine Corps Combat Development Command. In “definitely less than a year” the warheads should be in the hands of some Marines, though it is not slated to go out to every unit, Bowers told Inside the Navy last week.

It's basically small-scale daisey cutter fired from an anti-tank tube.
House sweep and clears will be reduced to sweep and clear the rubble.

Jay

[Indy Lurker]

14. Hellfire II went thermobaric 8/23/05

http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_news/pressreleases/05pressrelease/082305-HELLFIRE.htm




The AGM-114N (MAC) thermobaric round, used against enclosed structures. "thermobaric" warheads are also referred to as fuel air explosives, and are used in the famous "Daisy Cutter" bombs. The thermobaric warhead exchanges some "hard target" capabilities for the ability to launch devastating anti-personnel strikes that can wipe out out bunkers, enemies in buildings, et. al. with incredibly intense heat and overpressure that fills these spaces and kills those inside.

Oh, you can also mount one on a UAV.


Here is more info that you would ever want:

http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_products/antiarmor/Hellfire/product-HellfireII.html

[jayfish]

20. When These Things Are Used...

against the things they are supposed to be used against,(hardened structures, tank columns, areas of dense foliage to be use as landing sites) I have no problem with them. Unfortunately we have a good idea that they will be used for many other things.

Jay

[leftchick]

30. they were used on peoples homes in Fallujah

and currently in the villages on the Syrian border.

[jayfish]

31. Not Sure About Man Portable Thermobarics...

being used at this time. But they used plenty of standard anti-tank rounds in residential areas. I've seen plenty of video. A vastly disproportionate use of force…

Jay

[saigon68]

58. Wait until they are used in U.S.Cities

To disperse and control demonstrators.

Do the Marines think these won't be used on them some day???

[TexasLawyer]

33. The US military is ALREADY using these weapons

Read Indy Lurker's article-- Post 14 Lockheed Martin is SO proud.

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Early versions of the MAC-configured HELLFIRE have already been combat-proven in Operation Iraqi Freedom and have been cited by the Administration as meeting an urgent requirement to suppress terrorists in urban areas,” said Jim Gribschaw, program director for Air-to-Ground Missiles Systems at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. “This missile is capable of reaching around corners to strike enemy forces hiding in cases, bunkers and hardened multi-room complexes. Coupled with HELLFIRE's highly accurate semi-active laser seeker, the MAC warhead gives our forces the ability to take out threat targets in urban environments with high lethality and minimal collateral damage.”

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The HELLFIRE II family of missiles includes four variations: the high-explosive anti-tank missile (AGM-114K), which defeats all known and projected armored threats; the blast fragmentation missile (AGM-114M), which defeats “soft” targets such as buildings, bunkers, light-armored vehicles and caves; the millimeter-wave (MMW) radar Longbow HELLFIRE (AGM-114L), which provides fire-and-forget and adverse weather capability; and the “thermobaric” HELLFIRE (AGM-114N). All HELLFIRE II variants have been used successfully in Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), with more than 1,000 missiles fired to date.

[Sparkman]

36. "America" had come to this & worse from it's founding. Native American's

were hunted, scalped, raped, enslaved, small-poxed, starved, by the millions.
This is only a wake up for some to the ongoing business of the U.S.A.
sorry, but that's how it appears to ALL OBJECTIVE SOCIAL SCIENTISTS that I have heard, read and respect.

[burrowowl]

50. The Fire Bombing of Dresden

read Kurt Vonneguts Slaughter House 5.

[wtmusic]

8. what your tax dollars are going to (warning: extremely graphic)

victims of the firebombing of Fallujah

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album32

[Dangerously Amused]

13. Oh. My. God.

Thank you for posting this, though it almost caused me to vomit. People who support the war have no idea what war looks like. And sadly, this is only a small albeit grisly part of that war.

[wtmusic]

17. As much as it sickens me

if everyone saw these pictures there might be an attitude change about WTF we are doing there

[shadowknows69]

42. you would think

here's what a "friend" of mine posted on another board after seeing similar pics

"BFD
Would it kill you to look at a school that has been re-built, or something positive?! I checked out the site. Yeah. It's war, war is hell. BFD."

[wtmusic]

45. That's right...war's a "BFD" (if you're not in it)

sick MFer

[jayfish]

15. Something To Note About Those Photos.

If we aren't keeping track of deaths in Iraq, why do all of those pictures have serial identifiers attached to them?

Jay

[Arkansas Granny]

18. Good question. Of course, the reason we aren't keeping track

of Iraqi deaths is because the administration doesn't want us to know when we kill more Iraqis than Saddam did.

We are going to have another generation of soldiers who are forever scarred by the actions that they performed in carrying out Mr. Bush's illegal war.

[jayfish]

19. I Wonder Where The Other 356 Pictures Are.

The last person pictured is #438.

Jay

[Just Me]

25. Chemical weapons by U.S. against those who never threatened,...

,...our nation.

Mixed emotions attached to this monstrosity: anger, nausea, deep sadness, frustration, disgust, horror.

When are our war criminals going to be tried? Sick fucks! :grr:

[speedingbullet]

38. Numbers?

Not that it excuses anything, but if we're using these highly destructive weapons in urban environments it is probably hard to tell how many people we kill.

[jayfish]

40. The Point Was That Anytime The * Admin Is Asked...

how may civilians or insurgents have been killed in iraq, we get the standard "we don't do body counts" answer.

Jay

[EuroObserver]

44. Keeping track is a (minimal) Geneva Convention requirement n/t

[lumpy]

16. Kick

nt

[tatertop]

27. that is some hideous stuff

How many US soldiers directly involved in inflicting
this are proud of their work?

[wtmusic]

29. good question

proud or able to sleep at night? I suppose that who can't tend to fall prey to "accidental discharges" of their weapons

[leftchick]

32. How are they fired?

From aircraft or from the ground? I doubt the people firing the rounds ever see the horrible, devastating results.

:(

[wtmusic]

34. Apparently they're mortar rounds

"Bogert is a mortar team leader who directed his men to fire round after round of high explosives and white phosphorus charges into the city Friday and Saturday, never knowing what the targets were or what damage the resulting explosions caused.

<>

They say they have never seen what they've hit, nor did they talk about it as they dusted off their breakfast and continued their hilarious routine of personal insults and name-calling."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/9/164137/436

[leftchick]

39. they should be forced to look at the photos

the next time they eat.... :puke:

[tatertop]

51. I think they know.

You train. You see. You know.
Do not ask me to support these monsters.
I will not.

[Sparkman]

37. THANK YOU FOR THE REALITY CHECK, badly needed here in la la land.

[Briar]

10. I just heard

an interview with a Pentagon spokesman who explained to the BBC interviewer (on the pm programme) that troops used white phosphorus to drive enemy combatants out of places where they were hiding. He admitted they were used directly on people, in other words, not to light the surroundings or to create a smoke screen. But, he said, this is legal because white phosphorus is classified as an incendiary not as a chemical weapon.

[GliderGuider]

11. It's only "legal" because

The USA refused to sign the 1980 agreement (Protocol III) that made it illegal to use incendiary weapons on civilians. I guess "immoral" doesn't count with that hypocrite.

[tuckessee]

12. Support the Troops!!!!!

Melting the skin off civilians and dumping them in the river or mass graves is hard work and the troops sure could use your support.

Show them how much you appreciate them doing their duty, even if that duty is a heinous war crime committed against hapless non-combatants.

[cybildisobedience]

22. you hit on a couple of key words there:

mass graves


Wasn't that why we WENT to war? Because Saddam buried people in mass graves?

[WePurrsevere]

28. Wasn't the orig reason WMD, like those we're using, & Bin Laden...

I thought Saddam's mass graves was the spin they used after they couldn't find the WMD's and Al Quadi terrorists.

[Voltaire99]

52. Skin-melters need our support!!!

Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armour?
Joker: A peace symbol, sir.
Colonel: Where'd you get it?
Joker: I don't remember, sir.
Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?
Joker: "Born to Kill", sir.
Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on you helmet, and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?
Joker: No, sir.
Colonel: Well what is it supposed to mean?
Joker: I don't know, sir.
Colonel: You don't know very much do you?
Joker: No, sir.
Colonel: You better get your head and your ass wired together or I will take a giant shit on you.
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Now answer my question, or you'll be standing tall before The Man.
Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man sir.
Colonel: The what?
Joker: The duality of man, the Jungian thing, sir.
Colonel: Who's side are you on, son?
Joker: Our side, sir.
Colonel: Don't you love your country?
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Well how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and c'mon in for the big win?
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my Marines is for them to obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese because inside every gook, there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've got to try to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.
Joker: Aye aye, sir.

--Kubrick, Herr & Hasford

[Megahurtz]

23. UGH! God!

:puke:
Makes me so proud to be an American.:patriot:

Much:sarcasm:

[Roland99]

26. We're going to need some soldiers willing to risk Courts Martial

to out the truth and stop this madness!

[HockeyMom]

43. Brits News Services

reported this months ago. Interviewed many Iraqi doctors. Don't trust US Media.

Any country that would condone torture, would use ANY means they can to achieve their ends.

[madeline_con]

46. I've read that soil removal.....

might indicate that nerve gas was used. Witnesses said strets were washed, and certain houses' rubble was also trucked away.

Also, there were reports of an apple like smell, another indication of gas use.

There was a chemical plant, Fallujah 2, not far away. Some said U.S. used stuff stored there.

I read it all last year.

[Carolab]

47. Not true, says Lt. Col. Venerable

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_white_phosphorous

WASHINGTON - Pentagon officials acknowledged Tuesday that U.S. troops used white phosphorous as a weapon against insurgent strongholds during the battle of Fallujah last November. But they denied an Italian television news report that the spontaneously flammable material was used against civilians.

Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said that while white phosphorous is most frequently used to mark targets or obscure a position, it was used at times in Fallujah as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants.

"It was not used against civilians," Venable said.

{snip}

LIARS

[lumpy]

60. Civilian were 'smoked' by this

deadly chemical. Reports say that in Falluja people including children were burned to death while still in their beds. I'll try to find the links again.

[qanda]

48. I just cannot believe that this is our country

I'm just speechless.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Not for long.

RiF goes optimistic.

[Voltaire99]

54. Well, horrible as it is, why can't you?

This is nothing new.

Vietnam saw much, much worse, qualitatively and quantitatively.

Have a gander at the Toledo Blade's Pulitzer-winning series on Tiger Force; it's all online. Those guys could have taught even the Abu Ghraib All-Stars a trick or two...

[enough]

55. kick

[Massachusetts]

56. "comfortably numb"

There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship, smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying.
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

[TeeYiYi]

57. kick

TYY:kick:

[rmgustaf]

59. I'm really hoping

that this is not what it looks like. If the American military was using chemical weapons indiscriminately in the middle of a city full of civilians, this is going to be a My Lai-sized PR disaster - the rest of the world, especially the Arab communities, upon learning of the actions taken by American soldiers, will turn even further against us. This could directly result in more insurgents and terrorists joining the nationalist and jihadist uprisings in Iraq.