Senate Republicans Block Iraq Timetable

[leftchick]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051115/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq


WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday easily defeated a Democratic effort to call for President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

The vote was 58-40 against a Democratic plan that the minority party's leadership advanced in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.

Republicans countered with their own alternative, urging that 2006 "should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty," with Iraqi forces taking the lead in providing security — a step lawmakers hope will speed a reduction of U.S. forces.

Given the Republican majority, passage seemed a certainty.

"They want an exit strategy, a cut-and-run exit strategy. What we are for is a successful strategy," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

.... Has anyone mentioned the permanent US bases in Iraq??

[swag]

1. Obstructionists.

[otohara]

2. Keep It Up Thugs - Watch Your Party

implode into oblivion in 06 & 08

as for Joe Lieberman - I can only hope your own party kicks you out!

[Solly Mack]

3. "What we are for is a successful strategy"

ROFLMAO

As if anything about Iraq could ever be defined as a success.

lololololololololololol

Damn. I'm not sure who is the more delusional...idiots that spout bullshit like that or the people that believe it.

This is no successful exit strategy and never will be.

Just get out. Allow others to help Iraq. Pay for the rebuilding with American dollars since it was American dollars that detroyed Iraq. Prosecute the war criminals. ALL of them.

And even that won't be "success" but it's the right thing to do now.

and I don't give a rat's ass what Bush said about paying for Iraq with Iraq oil money - what kind of idiot believed that lie? And what kind of monster would accept such a plan? Attack a country for no reason and then make them pay for the damage you caused? Unreal anyone even considered that notion viable.

Bush is a liar. Bush has always been a liar. Bush will always be a liar. Bush has lied about everything. He was a liar as governor of Texas and he was a liar the day he took the oath of office. Anyone that thought otherwise is either lying themselves or a fool.

Bush can't be held to his word because a liar never is or can be....but he can be held accountable for his lies.

[DallasTim]

4. Senate steps up pressure on Iraq

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday easily defeated a Democratic effort to call for President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

The vote was 58-40 against a Democratic plan that the minority party's leadership advanced in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/15/senate.iraq.ap/index.html

[INdemo]

5. You know Liberman was one Democrat that voted with the Repubs

His speech on Cspan was sickening

[woldnewton]

6. On edit -- never mind...

Thomas now has the roll call vote up so we can see who the traitors were -- other than Lieberman, of course.


(My 150th post at DU. Yay!)

[leftchick]

9. Here They Are.....

Thank you for the link....

Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Not Voting
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Allen (R-VA), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Nay
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burns (R-MT), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Not Voting
Craig (R-ID), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Nay
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Nay
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Nay
Thomas (R-WY), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (R-VA), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Lieberman, Nelson, Nelson and Pryor. Stupid MFers :argh:

[cally]

22. and Conrad

:argh:

[leftchick]

25. I missed him, how could I?

they are all shit head MFers :argh:

[caelestissurf]

47. My two senators voted yea

I'm very torn about Iraq, I want a withdrawal, but not an immediate one. I personally think everyone is using this war for personal gain. The chimperor sure did, but I see some of my party leaders doing about faces like they are on parade fields. What is one to do when everywhere they look they see contradictory statements?

[New Earth]

7. yeah i'm in shock over this

:puke:

[blm]

8. What Dems voted with the Reps?

.

[welshTerrier2]

21. was Kerry's plan part of the Levin amendment ??

or will Kerry's plan be brought up separately?

do you know?

[blm]

26. Don't know. Levin's plan looked like it was heavily adapted from Kerry's.

But, I really have no clue how the Senate is handling this.

Seems to me that we'd be on better footing if more Dems got behind it when he first offered it at Georgetown, but other Dems aren't interested in coalescing behind any withdrawal plan. That gives the media all they need as reason to ignore it - hell, it only matters if Hillary speaks up.

[Selteri]

27. Condrad, Lieberman, THe Nelson 'twins' and Pryor - Big surprise NT

[demo dutch]

10. Senate rejects timetable for Iraq withdrawal - MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10049905/

Republicans defeat Democratic move that would have put pressure on Bush

AP - Updated: 12:21 p.m. ET Nov. 15, 2005
WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday easily defeated a Democratic effort to call for President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

The vote was 58-40 against a Democratic plan that the minority party’s leadership advanced in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.

Sorry of this a dupe

Note the live vote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10052525/

[soleft]

11. Subject line says CNN and you linked to MSNBC

[demo dutch]

20. Fixed .... Note the live vote

[AllyCat]

29. Hit the live vote y'all! 73% of respondents (N = ?) favor Dem plan nt

[mike_c]

12. which dems betrayed america again?

:puke:

[TayTay]

13. The usual gang

Conrad
Nelson (FL)
Nelson (NE)
Pryor
Leiberman

[MADem]

14. The good news is that the media is at least COVERING this

And no matter how the Fristians spin, they still look like warmongering, greedy, out-of-touch jerks.

[LynneSin]

24. DU this Poll on MSNBC about the vote

72% agree with the democrats - anyone suprized?

[pazarus]

49. What did I miss?

Tide turning in GOP senators’ war view
Bipartisan amendment amounts to rebuff to Bush

"Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John W. Warner (R-Va.) declined in an interview to call the Senate-approved amendment, which he co-sponsored, a repudiation of the White House."

Why is this in the article on MSNBC? Is this a different vote?

[wclubin]

15. NYT: Democratic Effort to Set Iraq Timetable Is Easily Defeated

The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday easily defeated a Democratic effort to pressure President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. It then overwhelmingly endorsed a weaker statement of U.S. policy in Iraq.

Click Here



I think it is time that every senator and congressman has a web site that lets their constituents vote on every bill. These ppl are working for us and it does not make sense that they have the Independence of voting anyway they wish.

[stop the bleeding]

16. interesting idea on the voting thing

and welcome to DU

[janx]

17. Ha! Let them revel in it...

The ultimate strategy worked. Levin's bill didn't pass, but it put pressure on the Senate Repubs to put up something that was almost exactly the same and which DID pass...

:rofl:

[Rose Siding]

18. "Republicans largely adopted the Democratic proposal as their own"

The 'party of ideas' :eyes:

[soothsayer]

23. so only consituents with internet access could vote

tho one could argue that libraries provide it, etc. the masses would really have to work hard to keep informed with when to vote, etc. BUT...i do think we ought to have much, much more input than we seem to (as we seem to have NONE)

[wclubin]

31. Emails already have an influence on how congress votes, supposedly,

and so there already is an advantage to the individual with internet access. A representative's website with a voting facility would make the citizens' influence in congressional voting a more structured process.

[Maggie_May]

19. Even though they didn't

vote for a timetable it will come. Reps polls for their performance is sinking fast. They will have to stand up to Bush with public pressure. That includes pressure on our Dem Representatives. We need to keep it up. Bring our Troops home now.

[Ganja Ninja]

28. Democrats should do this every month until the next election.

Once a month, every month, demand an exit strategy and a time table.

[mzmolly]

38. Indeed, this is an issue of differentiation in the coming election that

can/will bring independents/rational people over to the Democratic side.

[Seabiscuit]

30. Leading up to 2006 elections - GOP will proclaim victory

I'm not surprised that these a-holes are adopting the democratic plan as their own. These a-holes don't want to lose their jobs now that their Dumbass-in-chief is going down the toilet. They know the public thinks this war is a stinker in the worst way. They have to find an alternative way to stay in power, what better way than to steal a democrat plan for an exit strategy and timetable.

The Repukes will distance themselves from Dumbya and will market themselves in the media as the victors in getting the US out of the war. I can just see Tweety salivating now at their leadership. :puke:

John Cusak in the Huffington Post also saw this trend prior to today, (quite prescient):

"The Republicans, especially leading up to the 2006 elections, with the Bush administration crumbling, KNOW they have to find a way out of Iraq. So they will basically find a way to declare victory and do something that looks like a withdrawal, and the Democrats will be left as passive bystanders -- because they don't have the courage to suggest that people who lied to get us into war should not only not be in office, they should be in prison. "

AND

"Last Tuesday, Harry Reid demonstrated wonderful signs of life. The question now is, are they going to build on this, or is it going to be an isolated episode that doesn't lead to a fundamental shift? Will enough Democrats now be willing to admit that voting to authorize the war was a mistake? Whether they were genuinely misled, they bought into it, or they were too cowardly to vote for what they believed was true, it was a mistake. Will they now have the courage to say, "This was wrong, and that we need to get our brave troops out of Iraq now."

Are the Democrats going to offer an alternative plan to get us out of Iraq? Are they going to fill this vacuum created by the chaos in Iraq and a scandal-plagued administration in tatters, or are they going to wait for the Republicans to do it their way, reap the political diviedends, and leave the Democrats sniping outside the palace gate?"

I do have to add that I'm very proud of the democrats that fight the b.s. from the GOP everyday. Levin, Reid, Waxman, Conyers and many more that give me hope.

[PurpleChez]

48. Sorry to be a total newbie,

but who is Tweety? I've seen the reference here several times but never in a context where I could figure out who was being maligned -- I mean who was being referred to. Thanks!

[Seabiscuit]

50. Tweety = Chris Mathews on MSNBC's "Hardball" - it's his yellow hair.

And he tweets the right wing line like a dodo.

WELCOME TO DU!!! :bounce: :applause:

[PurpleChez]

51. Thank you kindly, Seabiscuit!

[BR_Parkway]

32. Senate Republicans Block Iraq Timetable

WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled Senate easily defeated a Democratic effort Tuesday to pressure
President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from
Iraq. It then overwhelmingly endorsed a weaker statement calling on the administration to explain its Iraq policy.

Senators also voted to endorse the Bush administration's military tribunals for prosecuting foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but to allow the detainees to appeal their detention status and punishments to a federal court.

On the question of a timetable for troop withdrawal, senators rejected the Democrats' proposal by 58-40. Democratic leaders had advanced the measure in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.

<snip>

Republicans largely adopted the Democratic proposal as their own, but they omitted one paragraph calling for the president to offer a plan for a phased withdrawal of the roughly 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq. The administration has refused to set a timetable for withdrawal, saying insurgents simply would wait to strike until after U.S. forces departed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051115/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq


Nice to see headlines like that when 2 out of 3 think this WH is wrong on Iraq


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7545983

Do you think a timetable should be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq? * 5105 responses

Yes - 79%

No - 21%

[SpiralHawk]

33. Repub Congress to BushCo: "Please tell us what you are doing

with our soldiers and our billions? Why are you Nation Building?

"Seems to be Hugh ClusterFuck over there, but we are sure you have a fabulous excuse.*"




*Clue: say it's all Bill Clinton's fault. The Repub rank and file lap it up every time.

[Roland99]

34. Is this the measure the Repukes copied-n-pasted from the Dem version?

Digusting tactics.

[tecelote]

35. Another quote from someone who thinks the President owes us...

an exit plan.

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

- Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

[twaddler01]

36. Apparently, Mr. *

does not have any idea how we are going to get out of Iraq. :banghead:

[mzmolly]

37. They just gave us a way to win in 2006.

Unfortunately our soldiers, the tax payers and the people of Iraq are losers.

[rodeodance]

39. msnbc just said that this was passed by the Senate.

[rodeodance]

40. they showed a clip of Biden saying Bush united the Senate on this one

issue. The need for a plan.

[rodeodance]

41. then the reporter asked what the response from the WH was--none yet as

Bush is in Japan--early dawn yet over there.

[mzmolly]

43. I believe they are talking about the "watered down" version?

:shrug:

[ClintonTyree]

42. My promise......

to every Democrat that voted AGAINST the Democrat's proposed plan, I will do everything within my power to make sure you are defeated in a Democratic primary election when you are up for re-election.
There was NO GOOD REASON for ANY Democrat to vote against that plan and they should NOT be allowed to represent the Democratic Party from here on. :mad: I'm mad as hell and 'm NOT going to take it anymore!

If they want to be fucking Republicans then they should RUN as Republicans and not fuck up OUR Party with their bush supporting, neo-con enabling, chicken-shit asses! :grr: You fuckers are going DOWN! :nuke:

[rodeodance]

Senate seeks speedier Iraq handover

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051115/pl_nm/iraq_usa_dc;_ylt=AixrYVMLfCLdxUd3bv9QoxWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
Senate seeks speedier Iraq handover

By Vicki Allen 1 hour, 33 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Showing mounting discontent among Republicans over progress in the Iraq war, the U.S. Senate resolved on Tuesday that Iraqis should start taking the lead in their own security next year to allow a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops.

But the Republican-led Senate rejected Democrats' demand for Republican President George W. Bush to submit a plan and an estimated timetable to withdraw U.S. forces, a step Bush has vehemently opposed.

The Senate's vote on the Iraq resolution came days after Bush, facing waning public support for the war and the lowest job approval ratings of his presidency, launched an aggressive counteroffensive against Democratic critics who say the administration hyped prewar intelligence on Iraq to justify the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

The Senate demand, and with it the stirrings of Republican revolt, was another blow to Bush, who is reeling over a string of setbacks including his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, controversy over Supreme Court nominees and high gas prices........

[rodeodance]

44. The Senate voted 79-19 for a resolution

......The Senate voted 79-19 for a resolution saying 2006 "should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with Iraqi security forces taking the lead for the security of a free and sovereign Iraq, thereby creating the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq."

The Republican resolution, sponsored by Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner of Virginia, largely mirrored a Democratic resolution, except for Democrats' key requirement for a withdrawal plan.

Senators defeated the Democrats' resolution 58-40 before backing the other.

Delaware Democrat Joseph Biden said the vote marked "the first time our Republican colleagues have joined Democrats in insisting on a clear Iraq strategy from this administration."

[vespucci]

45. Why do WE

want to get out of Iraq....wouldn't it be better to let the
Bush administartion "stew" there....if it is over....and we are
out...is that really what we want???

[The_Casual_Observer]

46. This do-nothing "legislation" will be pointed to as a grand move

in the 2006 elections. It's all bullshit.