Iraqi PM: Detainees Apparently Tortured (by Iraqi's)

[maddezmom]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - More than 170 malnourished Iraqi detainees found at an Interior Ministry detention center appear to have been tortured, the prime minister said Tuesday. He said an investigation had been launched.

The announcement came two days after U.S. troops surrounded and took control of an Interior Ministry building in the Baghdad neighborhood where the detainees were found, although the Iraqi leader didn't say whether American forces were involved in discovering the center.

An Iraqi Interior Ministry official also said Monday that an investigation will be opened into allegations that ministry officers tortured suspects detained in connection with the country's insurgency.

"I was informed that there were 173 detainees held at an Interior Ministry prison and they appear to be malnourished. There is also some talk that they were subjected to some kind of torture," Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari told reporters.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_torture

[ugarte]

1. Shias torturing Sunnis

Shia militias have infiltrated the police and carry ourt extrajudicial killings and torture. Just one more reason why the US situation there is untenable and hopeless.

[Greeby]

2. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

:eyes:

[bigworld]

3. Iraq detainees 'found starving' in Interior Ministry Building

from BBC:

Iraq's government says it has begun an investigation into the alleged abuse of more than 170 detainees held by Iraqi security forces in Baghdad.

The prisoners, many malnourished and some showing signs of torture, were found when US troops took control of a interior ministry building on Sunday.

The US operation followed persistent inquiries from the family of one of those held, most of whom were Sunnis.

Iraq's prime minister has promised to find those responsible for any abuse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440134.stm

[bigworld]

4. this should get interesting

[SmokingJacket]

6. What, train Iraqi security forces to abuse prisoners?

Sounds like they're using Abu Ghraib as a model.

[Julius Civitatus]

5. The horror show continues.... n/t

[DaveJ]

7. This was on CNN...

Edit: "I saw signs of physical abuse by brutal beating -- one or two cases were paralyzed, and some cases of skin peeled off various parts of the body," the official, Hussein Kamal, told CNN.


"The U.S. military did not confirm the condition in which they found the detainees, but Iraqi police said they had been tortured."


Oh ya of course the U.S. won't confirm it until all plausible deniability is lost.

Seriously... who's the bad guys? How can anyone expect insurgents to stop now when their actions are completely justifiable?

[Omaha Steve]

8. Some Apparently Tortured Detainees Found

Some Apparently Tortured Detainees Found


Nov 15, 6:28 PM (ET)

By BASSEM MROUE

(AP) Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari talks to journalists during a press conference in Baghdad,...
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq's prime minister said Tuesday that 173 Iraqi detainees - malnourished and showing signs of torture - were found at an Interior Ministry basement lockup seized by U.S. forces in Baghdad. The discovery appeared to validate Sunni complaints of abuse by the Shiite-controlled ministry.

The revelation about the mostly Sunni Arab detainees by Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari was deeply embarrassing to the government as critics in the United States and Britain question the U.S. strategy for building democracy in a land wracked by insurgency, terrorism and sectarian tension.

"I was informed that there were 173 detainees held at an Interior Ministry prison and they appear to be malnourished," al-Jaafari said of Sunday's raid at a detention center in the fashionable Jadriyah district. "There is also some talk that they were subjected to some kind of torture."


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051115/D8DT6UHG4.html

[tmooses]

9. We've rescued the Iraqi's from Saddam's torture cells. so they can

have their own?

[obxhead]

10. so how are they going to spin this one?

:popcorn:

[GrumpyGreg]

11. There is "some talk" that they were subjected to "some kind"

of torture.

This is hard news?

Please !

[FlemingsGhost]

12. Yes ... and Jessica Lych was "rescued," too.

Face it, we have no way of telling if these same folks are OUR torturees, planted for a specific political reason.

I'm just sayin' ...

[madeline_con]

13. Some Apparently Tortured Detainees Found

Some Apparently Tortured Detainees Found

Tuesday November 15, 2005 10:31 PM

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq's prime minister said Tuesday that 173 Iraqi detainees - malnourished and showing signs of torture - were found at an Interior Ministry basement lockup seized by U.S. forces in Baghdad. The discovery appeared to validate Sunni complaints of abuse by the Shiite-controlled ministry.

The revelation about the mostly Sunni Arab detainees by Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari was deeply embarrassing to the government as critics in the United States and Britain question the U.S. strategy for building democracy in a land wracked by insurgency, terrorism and sectarian tension.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5417549,00.html

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. So can we blow up the new government for "killing their own

people now"??? I'm just sayin'.

[madeline_con]

16. We should "liberate" the White House, and let the people have...

free elections. ;)

[cantstandbush]

15. This is Bush's "kinder, gentler" Iraq. Our children are dying for this?

Bring the troops home immediately. Everyone knows there will never be a timetable for leaving Iraq because we have built permanent bases there and we will be there as long as there is oil in the ground.

[FlemingsGhost]

17. Uh huh ... *APPARENTLY* Jessica Lynch was "rescued," too.

:eyes:

[Rose Siding]

18. NYT has a write up, too: Torture Alleged at Ministry Site Outside Baghdad

Our tax dollars at work?

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 15 - Iraq's government said Tuesday that it had ordered an urgent investigation of allegations that many of the 173 detainees American troops discovered over the weekend in the basement of an Interior Ministry building had been tortured by their Iraqi captors. A senior Iraqi official who visited the detainees said two appeared paralyzed and others had some of the skin peeled off their bodies by their abusers.

Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari held a hurriedly organized news conference to announce the official inquiry, and a wider one that he said would involve a comprehensive count of the thousands held in Iraqi jails to determine whether there was a wider pattern of abuse, as many opponents of his government have claimed.

A joint statement by the American embassy and the United States military command called the situation "totally unacceptable" and said American officials "agree with Iraq's leaders that mistreatment of detainees will not be tolerated."

The discovery of what appeared to have been a secret torture center created a new aura of crisis for American officials and Iraqi politicians who hold power in the Shiite-led transitional government. For many Iraqis, the episode carried heavy overtones of the brutality associated with Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-dominated government.

http://nytimes.com/2005/11/16/international/middleeast/16iraq.html?ei=5094&en=927fdcda7a84156a&hp=&ex=1132117200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

[Moderator]

19. kick

[joeunderdog]

20. 173 prisoners found beaten and starved in Iraq government bunker

The Iraqi government has begun an investigation into the alleged abuse of more than 170 prisoners who were found locked in an interior ministry bunker in Baghdad, many of them beaten and malnourished and some apparently brutally tortured.
US troops who were searching for a missing teenage boy discovered the detainees on Sunday night during a raid. They were found in an underground cell near an interior ministry bunker in Jadiriya, in middle of the city. "I was informed that there were 173 detainees held at an interior ministry prison and they appear to be malnourished," prime minister Ibrahim Jaafari said. "There is talk that they were subjected to torture," he said.


Earlier a deputy interior minister put the number of prisoners at 161 and said he was stunned by their treatment. "They were being treated in an inappropriate way ... they were being abused," Hussein Kamal told Reuters.
"I've never seen such a situation like this during the past two years in Baghdad. This is the worst," he told CNN. "I saw signs of physical abuse by brutal beating, one or two detainees were paralysed and some had their skin peeled off."

US military sources said troops were shocked when they came across the prisoners, some of whom showed the marks of beatings and looked like they had not been fed well for weeks. "It's not what we expected, we were looking for a 15-year-old boy," a soldier from the US 3rd Infantry Division, the Baghdad-based force which conducted the raid, told Reuters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1643463,00.html

WOW

[afdip]

21. i am shocked . . . where did they learn this kind of behavior???

[Vincardog]

23. dupe

[Vincardog]

24. They learned it from the Homo Erotic Sadistic Psychopaths who are steering

his Titanic ship of state.

[movonne]

25. It sounds like something Negroponte taught them...

[lovuian]

22. These pictures look like Holocaust pictures!!!

starving people till they are bones!!!

[babylonsister]

26. What pics? Can you tell me where you saw them?

The US journalist I saw last night who was at the facility was supposedly forbidden by the US from taking pix. :shrug:

[0007]

27. When ya think ya heard it all, something like this comes up.

1.) Who is this mysterious 15 year-old boy that the Army was looking for?

2.) Is this the works of the Iraq trained Army that John Negroponte trained? Or was this a partnership between the U.S. and the Iraqis?

3.) Or just a few more bad apples?

[godai]

28. I'm supposed to believe that the US military didn't know about this?

More likely, it was about to be exposed and the military stormed the prison they already knew of to weed out these evildoers.

[daleo]

29. It doesn't help the "war was to stop Saddam's torture rooms" case

Not that anyone has believed that for a long time, if they ever did.

[Amonester]

30. Yeah, that was just one of the official LIES...

The truth being that Big Oil & the Military Industrial Complex have sided with the neocons to steal three elections, and launch an illegal war of aggression in order for the CEOs and their cronies would partake the world's second biggest OIL resource, and to hide hundreds of billions away from the IRS while overcharging the taxpayers' credit-card for all the expenses of their illegal resource grabs, but you can't really say it like it is to the American people when many of their finest but poorer daughters and sons payed/pay/will pay the ultimate price for these Enron style crooks and LIARS... Nope, can't really tell them THAT...

Conspiracy theorists here... :tinfoilhat: