Iraq: Failed Woman Suicide Bomber's Family Disowns Her

[ECH1969]

The family of an Iraqi woman who apparently tried and failed to detonate an explosives belt during the hotel bombings in the Jordanian capital Amman last week that killed 57 people and injured nearly 100, says what she did was "contrary our tribe's ethical code" and has disowned her.

"We hope she dies, and we never want to see her again. She is a disgrace," an unnamed family member was quoted as saying. Al-Rishawi, who a neighbour described as "a humble women, without any education or political ideology," is the sister of the right-hand-man of al-Qaeda in Iraq's leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Samer Mubarak Arous al-Rishawi, killed by US forces in Fallujah. She belongs to the Shammar clan, located in Ramadi, one of Iraq's Sunni strongholds.

Over the weekend, the woman, Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, 35, who should have been the fourth suicide bomber involved in the attacks, was shown on Jordanian television, with the explosives still strapped to her body. The Amman suicide bombings were claimed by al-Qaeda.

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.228571898&par=0

[Colorado Blue]

1. I know she planned to do a terrible thing - but I can't help

but feel awful for her.

The whole thing is such a tragedy, such a waste of life and love.

[CityDem]

2. Awful

Talk to the survivors of the wedding party how awful you feel. This woman and her husband conspired to kill a bunch of innocent people who they had never met. She deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of Jordanian law.

[lumpy]

24. Just as awful as the killing of

innocent iraqis killed by US bombs,fire power, snipers and the US razing of Falluja. I don't condon suicide bombings. Any part of this.

[Colorado Blue]

34. I agree.

I hate terrorism. Read my writing in I/P. But - I love people. I look at this woman and see someone who has suffered and who now has lost everything. Perhaps her predicament and the disgrace felt by her family will get people to think: why would I send my child to die in disgrace, in the act of killing other innocent lives?

I hate that she took this path. I hate and deplore the damage inflicted on the wedding party and the other innocent victims. But I hurt for the living as well as for the dead.

[Raine]

3. I don't

feel one bit sorry for her, she alive's and her planned victims are dead. I heard her talk about knowing that women and children were there she didn't care who was killed, so she gets no sympathy from me.

[lumpy]

25. The US military also knows that women

and children will be killed in their operations, evidently they don't care either. Non of this would have happened if our benevolent leader hadn't decided to pull the trigger. Killing without conscience is abominable whether by a suicide bomber or 'collateral damage'.

[Raine]

100. I agree

it's wrong of our military too, the blood for all this is on the pResident. x(

[Moloch]

4. Why on earth would you feel bad for this person????

She tried to blow up innocent people. I hope they lock her up and throw away the key.

[Colorado Blue]

33. I hope she receives an appropriate sentence, yes. But I am

a human being, and have this unfortunate ability to empathise with even the worst impulses of the human spirit.

Do I approve? I detest terrorism. If you read what I write on I/P and elsewhere you see that I stand against it, I deplore it. I'm a Jew, proIsraeli, AND I love America and liberal, Western, secular values - all of which are threatened by terror.

But I am cursed with loving my enemies.

[Milspec]

95. The question is , what should an "appropriate sentence" be?

The only reasonable view IMHO would be until "the worst impulses of the human spirit" our no longer operational in this peculiar spirit.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

103. Why on earth would anyone believe ANY of this story?

[Don Claybrook]

29. Your statement doesn't seem to be too popular here

But I'll support your statement, at least to the extent of saying I think I know what you mean.

Nothing will ever excuse what she attempted to do (if we're getting the real story, that is). All the same, it's tragic that her life apparently came to a point where she felt like this was a viable option.

People are responsible for their actions, whether this woman or a soldier who commits a war crime, or a soldier who frags his CO. But the whole setting, the whole backdrop of the war that has played host to these crimes was completely unnecessary. Bush doesn't directly have blood on his hands for the Jordan bombings, but I'd bet a paycheck that they never would've happened without this illegal invasion and slaughter ordered by our resident.

That's the tragic part, completely separate from the justice that will likely be meted out to this woman. And there are thousands and thousands of other tragic stories surrounding this terrible war, things that never would have happened if not for our murderous and treasonous president.

[Colorado Blue]

38. I am glad you understand my compassion for this person.

I am dead set against terror. I don't think anybody can blame anyone else for the actions of a terrorist.

But - we must start fighting the whole concept of violence itself, whether it's terror or war, the killing of civilians or the killing of soldiers. It isn't appropriate. It is a very poor way of conducting diplomacy and it's fundamentally barbaric.

People need to think of soldiers as people's children and terrorists need to love their children more than they hate their enemies. Here, I paraphrase Golda Mier.

And we must all learn to love and forgive, to respect and embrace our diversity and not to fear and hate it.

The tendency to blame Bush, or Israel, or western values for terrorism, is counterproductive. But so is making excuses for war. War should be an absolutely last resort, if an existential threat is perceived - not something undertaken as an option to continued diplomacy or other means, such as UN inspections, and CERTAINLY not as a shortcut to profit.

Ah well. I just hope people look at this woman's face, I hope they see the faces of the victims, I hope they look into the eyes of an American soldier, and see themselves. The only thing that will end war, terror, is the understanding that when we look into our enemy's eyes we are looking into our own.

[Behind the Aegis]

43. My thoughts

Seems many people here do not have your level of compassion or empathy. If they knew you, they would know what a kind soul you are.

:hug:

[Colorado Blue]

47. Thanks, BTA. Sometimes empathy is a curse. And the

phrase, "Love thine enemies" is not the key to an easy path.

But I do also love my friends:)

XOXOXO

[Andromeda]

80. Just stay the way you are CB....

there's nothing wrong with having compassion for others even if they have chosen the wrong path. :hug:

[Colorado Blue]

85. Hey - thank you. That helps! Big hug:)

[Andromeda]

79. I agree BTA...

We need more people in this world that feel empathy and compassion. It's not a weakness; it's called character. :hi:

[bunyip]

96. Very moving post

Colorado Blue, that was beautifully written.

[thebigidea]

5. we never seem to find out about these right-hand men beforehand, eh?

[Miss Chybil]

65. Yep, they're all fake.

The body parts are fake. The bombs are fake. Karl Rove did it. It's like when he faked the moon landing and the Holocaust. We just can't believe anything anymore, can we?

/sarcasm

[Andromeda]

81. Why don't you tell us?

You seem to know all the facts; please tell us what you know so we can all be more informed.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

104. Why the testy remark? How many stories do you have to be told,....

...and later discover are lies, for you to understand that we get very little from the media that is actually factual?

I question the entire story, starting with the alleged surviving suicide bomber.

[Betsy Ross]

6. So her husband is in heaven with 72 virgins

and she's stuck in some damn Jordanian prison. That is until they execute her. What does a female martyr get in heaven? Her viginity back?

[AngryAmish]

7. 72 male virgins?

That does not seem to be a lot of fun for a gal.

Besides. we have no proof that this woman even exists.

[geek tragedy]

14. That should last about 72 minutes. eom

[Enhancer]

91. Where does that come from anyways?

I couldn't find in the Koran.

[Andromeda]

99. Maybe less....

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Mizmoon]

9. They get to be with their "favorite husband" from life

I guess that means if you only married once you don't have any choice.

I wonder if she realized she'd have to share him with 72 "others".

[Mizmoon]

8. She's the oldest looking 35-year-old I ever saw

Wow! I know 65-year-old women who look younger than she.

I just found that odd.

[rfkrfk]

13. some people will believe anything

35 y old, lol

I have an revenue property for sale.
a bridge, connects Brooklyn with Manhattan
PM, if interested

[barb162]

31. Yeah, same thing I noticed

[Colorado Blue]

48. Their lives are harder there. You should see some of the

women in Africa, or for that matter on the Native American reservations.

And don't forget she's probably profoundly depressed.

[Andromeda]

84. Women age faster over there...

because they have a hard life. They don't have access to firming creams and bubble baths. They don't get their nails done once a week or go to a beauty parlor to have their hair done.

Sometimes it's genetic but is it really that important?

[Mizmoon]

93. It's important to the woman in question, probably

I don't think any woman, or man for that matter, likes to look 30 years older than they are.

BTW I had a manicure and highlights over the weekend. I'm looking pretty fab, I might add! :)

[Ilsa]

10. I don't feel sorry for her. What a terrible thing to have

contemplated and attempted to do to other human beings. My only consideration for her is in wondering what brought her to this point in her life where she thought doing this was better than "live and let live." Is she a terrorist created by Bush*, or were she and her husband always terrorists?

[Loonman]

11. You make your bed and you lie in it

Sucks to be her. Oh well.

:boring:

[Javaman]

12. I still don't believe a word of any of this...

The real story is probably more along the lines of:

The family is pissed off because she was helping the Americans.

[ElectroPrincess]

15. I'm with you ... she's a plant

If they are THAT closely related to Al Qaeda, the FAMILY would not be making statements, period.

I think she was selected as a prisoner who was picked up in a earlier USA sweep, to be the BEST person to "catapult the propaganda."

One aspect of all suicide bombers is that they are INTENSE. IMO this poor (obedient - saying all the lines taught to her) gal is not bright enough to grab her ass with both hands, much less be selected as a suicide bomber.

This whole scenario is seemingly one big Crock-of-Propaganda to get Jordan's "Royal" Family off of the hot-seat ire of the people.

Hint: It's not working, in fact, it's embarrassing in the poor "rank amateur" quality of the entire operation: 1) Two to three cover stories get passed around; 2) oops! News that Israeli's are evacuated THEN later retracted; 3) the pattern of explosions not all consistent with the "suicide bomber" theories; and 4) a completely submissive and "fully communicative" would-be suicide bomber do "an act" for Jordanian TV.

This woman was probably threatened with life or some punishment to one of her family members. I don't think the family is part of Al Quaeda BUT that, for doing this ACT, some great favor is accorded to her by the coalition.

Time will tell. ;)

[Duer 157099]

16. I think she was set up

Think about this: what if they deliberately wired her up with a faulty device so that she would survive (of course her husband may not have known this), to serve this PR function that she now serves, showing how they are now willing to use women as suicide bombers? Perhaps they don't really, but want it to appear that way, to increase terror potential.

[SteppingRazor]

17. That doesn't make sense. They've already used female suicide bombers...

this isn't the first one.

[Duer 157099]

18. Have they? Maybe it was a married woman they hadn't used?

Something like that was said on MSNBC, that this was a new "twist" on their tactics.

[SteppingRazor]

22. I don't know about the "married" part...

I'll certainly grant you that. This may be the first married suicide bomber. Most female suicide bombers up until this point have been very young.

[barb162]

49. From what I have seen so far revealed about her immediate

family such as the brothers and her husband and her own involvement in helping others do this, it doesn't surprise me she was doing a suicide bombing herself.

[barb162]

32. Here's a 9/28/05 MSNBC article on a female bomber in Iraq

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9447407/


snip
"Earlier, in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar, a female suicide bomber blew herself up outside an army recruitment center, killing at least seven and wounding 37, police said."
snip
In the Tal Afar suicide attack, the bomber, wearing men's clothing as a disguise, detonated her hidden explosives while standing in line with job applicants at the first of three checkpoints outside the center, said Maj. Jamil Mohammed Sadr, the Iraqi army commander based there."

snip

I think I saw the same report you did, that the qaida type groups haven't used female bombers too much...that the Tamil Tigers and other groups used them more often.

[Colorado Blue]

40. Sure. Women have been involved in terror operations in

Russia and also in Israel.

[MADem]

53. First "couple" is the paradigm-breaker, I believe n/t

[Colorado Blue]

67. Yes, I think you're right. nt

[ElectroPrincess]

19. And "by a long shot" this woman does NOT have the demeanor

NOR psyche of a Suicide Bomber.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012104b.cfm

Islamic culture has a long suicide-attack tradition, dating to the Assassins of the 11th to 13th centuries in modern-day Syria and Iran, who attacked Christian Crusaders and other prominent local officials in large public places, assuring the attackers’ immediate capture, execution and martyrdom.

For Islamic terrorists, martyrdom may bring personal notoriety, new recruits to the cause, achieve revenge or give significant meaning to one’s life. It can also be prompted by a desire for religious purification and entrance into heaven.

For many Muslims, heaven is a place of milk and wine rivers and honey lakes, where the martyr will see Allah’s face, be joined by 70 chosen relatives, and enjoy the services of 72 virgins. Female martyrs are promised to dwell forever alongside the husband or fiance they have left behind. And the weight of earthly rules (including Islamic law) and responsibilities will no longer hang upon them like millstones in the afterlife.

In fact, suicide bombers have been known to smile widely and joyfully just before blowing themselves to kingdom come.

[SteppingRazor]

21. The Heritage Foundation?

Peter Brookes? Seriously? C'mon, now.

I'm not about to take this as anything near a definitive psychological profile of suicide bombers.

[ElectroPrincess]

23. Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day ...

The psychological underpinnings is, believe it or not, non-partisan. :hi:

However, MOST suicide bombers are carefully selected. This woman is so wrong on so many levels. I hope the truth does eventually see the light of day.

On Edit: Nothing is "definitive" - I'll give you that point ... ;)

[No Exit]

26. No, my dear, please do not trust The Heritage Foundation!

Because that's Richard Mellon Scaife.

"In addition to bankrolling Tyrrell and company, Scaife, who once called Nation Senior Editor Karen Rothmyer a "Communist cunt," is also the prime benefactor of such illustrious journalistic institutions as the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Accuracy in Media, the Heritage Foundation, GOPAC, the National Taxpayers Union, the Western Journalism Center and the collected works of one Christopher Ruddy. Just about the only Whitewater nut who is not sucking on the Scaife money-tit is The New York Observer's Phillip Weiss. You can bet that each one of the journalists swimming in Scaife dough will stick to the Whitewater story, particularly given the cautionary tales told by the treatment of Brock and Burr."--Salon, "Doing the Right-Wing Shuffle"

A broken clock may be right twice a day, but a phony clock never tells the truth.

[ElectroPrincess]

27. Please, we're NOT that familiar --> don't call me "my dear"

Further, when we're discussing BASIC mindsets or profiles, I'll use whatever source I deem appropriate.

BTW not every damn thing IMO is a partisan HACK fight.

Good-Day

[No Exit]

30. For chrissake, I was just trying to be polite rather than

ATTACKING, as is done frequently on internet forums.

"Partisan hack fight", or not, the Heritage Foundation and its ilk are part of what's wrong with this country. I'm sick of "think tanks" (disguised propaganda outlets) passing themselves off as authorities. And I'm sick of people swallowing what they say w/o questioning "who owns this think tank?"

[barb162]

35. great point, thanks for the research

The long-lasting Whitewater witchhunt was a really dark and sick episode. Some of those GOP types have admitted they knew all along absolutely nothing wrongful was there but they kept it going and going and going, trying to whittle away at Clinton any way they could.

[ElectroPrincess]

54. Why am I not surprised you chimed in !

Hey, guess what? Not EVERYTHING about our political enemies is *evil* ... I know this will come as a shock to die-hard only such and such publications are blessed by YOU.

No, I don't appreciate condescension ... and what's this variant of CHRIST? ---> "For Chrissake"?!?

Nope, it's just you and me.

Christ had nothing to do with any of this mess: you, me OR The Heritage Foundation. :P

[barb162]

68. Where did I use this in my post: For Chrissake

Same goes for the rest of your post

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[barb162]

75. It's your responsibility to make the connection; you posted it

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[indigo32]

63. I would, however, question Mr Brookes authority on such matters

he is a foreign policy analyst. That hardly makes him an expert on Islam or these bombers.

[Colorado Blue]

45. You are now an expert as to the appropriate demeanor of

terrorists???????? You've seen a few at the moment of glory? And if they fail? They're still exultant?

One woman was sent to blow up an Israeli hospital. Fortunately she was caught. She was a burn victim who'd been treated - for free - by Israeli doctors. Her demeanor wasn't exactly that of an exultant holy warrior, but rather of a scarred and frightened woman who'd been taught that death was glorious, the death of innocent doctors and fellow patients.

And, it didn't help that she'd been brainwashed into thinking she was ugly, unmarriageable and had no future. Many of the suicide bombers are people from poverty and those who are particularly vulnerable.

The saddest thing about the burn victim/would be terrorist: Israeli security measures became more severe and other Palestinians who need help have more trouble getting it. There is nothing right about any of this.

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[ElectroPrincess]

58. I've lived in the Middle East! Have you?

Yes, as a person who is blessed with the ability and means to earn a Masters in Psychology, YEAH, I can have a somewhat viable "clinical impression" that is slightly beyond your average Joe or Jane.

[Enhancer]

92. Yeah.

If only she took her scarred butt out of Israel and moved somewhere like Fiji, like all Palestinians should, then everything would be alright.

:sarcasm:

[Andromeda]

86. The Heritage Foundation is a right wing...

think tank. It's funny you should use this as a source for your post.

[bunyip]

97. How can you post this rubbish?

Islamic culture has a long suicide-attack tradition

No, actually it doesn't. The Ismaeli Assassins were an interesting cult based more on Gnostic and Hindu influences than Islam. Their deadly attacks on Muslim leaders (and once on a Crusader) horrified Muslim sensibilities, ensuring this obscure cult would be remembered despite its insignificant size.

Buddhist and Christian theology glorifies martyrdom and has "long suicide-attack tradition(s)". Hinduism and Judaism have joined in occasionally.

Muslims are real Johnny-come-lately's in this game, probably because of Islams strong prohibitions against suicide.

The most prolific suicide-bomber organisation of the past fifty years was the National Liberation Front (Viet Cong), with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam a distant second. All Muslim groups combined do not add up to either.

Read "Dying to Win : The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism" by Professor Robert Pape if you get the chance. A scholarly and unbiased book by a US academic.

In fact, suicide bombers have been known to smile widely and joyfully just before blowing themselves to kingdom come.

How the f-ck does anyone know?

You should be ashamed of parroting Heritage Foundation propaganda. Why would you do this?

[cantstandbush]

52. Have they really ever found any remains of suicide bombers and identified

them from the remains?

[Colorado Blue]

74. Yes. The heads and feet are often intact, the middle of the

body is usually vaporized. In this case the explosion of one person was so violent his parts were found on the facade four stories up.

[lumpy]

20. The remarks posted here

are disturbing. Making light of the tragedy and irresponsible statements about the person is disgusting, as well as the 7 virgin references. This should be a very sobering subject. Is there no understanding why people might do such horrible acts?

[AnnieBW]

28. Did her husband force her?

I'm wondering if her husband forced her to detonate along with him? After all, in that culture, a husband can force his wife to do almost anything.

[robcon]

41. She an attempted mass-murderer.

Not an ounce of sympathy.

Not a gram of wondering "why" she did it. She doesn't deserve a passing thought, IMO. A death sentence (attempted mass murder/conspiracy) is appropriate, if ever there was an appropriate sentence.

[barb162]

50. Same here; she wanted to kill as many innocent civilians as she

could. Though I would like to know why she thought it was okay to kill innocent civilians; nothing harmful in having a few psychiatrists studying her for a while. But I have zero sympathy for her; she's an adult and responsible for her own behavior.

[JVS]

36. Disowned because of what she planned to do, or because it didn't pan out?

[Behind the Aegis]

37. That's my question...

The article isn't really clear about that. It seems they disowned her because she was a suicide bomber, but if they are that close with al-Qaida that would seem odd that they would disavow suicide bombings.

[ElectroPrincess]

57. The article isn't clear because, just perhaps, it's PROPAGANDA!

[Behind the Aegis]

60. Hmmm...

...maybe we should wait for a more reliable, non-propaganda source, like the Heritage foundation? :eyes:

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[Behind the Aegis]

62. Interesting...

The profile from the Heritage foundation can be useful, but a poster with a star of David as an avatar is not. Very interesting indeed.

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[ElectroPrincess]

69. Oh stop!

I already clarified my position on that. Stop swift-boating and obfuscating the issue.

[Colorado Blue]

70. Whoa. The remark about the avatar is quite revealing.

What's up with the puppies? They're so cute.

[ElectroPrincess]

71. You've piled on before ... don't go there because we BOTH know

it's wrong. Why not discuss the issues instead of ATTACK everyone who give an alternative explanation to "the rulers?"

[Colorado Blue]

82. I think we ARE trying to address the issues. The issues are

that a suicide bomb team, which ALL evidence points to as having been AQ people from Iraq, blew up 3 hotels in Jordan.

Obviously they are trying to destabilize the Jordanian government, which is moderate, has ties to the West, Western businesses such as the hotels which were attacked, a peace agreement with Israel, has been alone in the entire Middle East in granting open and free immigration to Palestinians. People travel there for conferences and as tourists. This includes Israelis. That fact alone has caused hotels in Egypt to be attacked, with many Israelis killed along with innocent Arabs and of course, others. Female terrorists have also operated in Egypt; this isn't, sadly, all that unusual.

On this website - and others, alas, attempts are being made to blame everybody except the bombers. These are conspiracy theories which in many cases target either the US or the Israelis. This is both mind-boggling and offensive. It helps to foment bigotry and it is the exact opposite of addressing the issues. It is actually addressing the dark parts of the human spirit: fear of the unknown, fear of the other. Scapegoating, especially when it involves the usual suspect in Christianity and increasingly in Islam - JEWS - is particularly offensive. Is this clear, I hope?

There was another bombing last night, in Pakistan. People were killed, injured. The target was a KFC of all things. Symbols of the west are being attacked. Was Bali a set-up too? What about the beheadings of Christian girls in Indonesia or the bombing by British Muslims in London? More set-ups? What about all the bombings in Israel? More set-ups?

Just a few days ago, police in Australia were fortunate to stop a terror attack on a nuclear power plant before it went off. Other threats are being deflected, all over the world. Jordan itself has stopped many attacks in advance, similarly, Israel has been able to interdict bombers. But sometimes even the best security fails and people die, horribly. You should check out the injuries from these bombings also. The recent attack in Israel killed six people who were shopping for fruit. Body parts were scattered all over town. Injuries usually include terrible burns, often blindings, amputations. Blaming the people who didn't do it is just WRONG.

It is time to stop with the conspiracy theories and address the real issues, which include the fact that violent people are using the most horrendous means - explosive belts packed with ballbearings to inflict maximum damage among them - to target civilians ALL OVER THE WORLD. I don't know how to change this and I doubt anybody else does either. But trying to hide from the fact that this is occuring won't make it go away, and neither will attempting to deflect blame onto people who had nothing to do with it. That is simply creating a different set of victims instead of targeting the people who did the deed.

[ElectroPrincess]

88. There you go again ...

All the Pravda Outlets claim that "ALL evidence points to as having been AQ people from Iraq."

Bull Shit! What evidence? Because * and his lapdog media ... plus all the other little PNAC oriented media SAYS SO?!?

All you do is tout the Administration's Foreign policy and viciously attack anyone who disagrees with "the authorities."

No, this is not a conspiracy theory any more than having 100% faith in Government Run Media News is considered the TRUTH.

You and about three other "tag teamers" are well, just unbelievable!

[Andromeda]

87. Bwahahahahahaha....

Can't wait to renew my subscription to the HERITAGE FOUNDATION magazine. ROFLMAO!

[ElectroPrincess]

89. Gosh, I quote a source ... the psychological specifics

of which are identical to MANY other news sources,i.e., moderate, left and right wing.

Ok, my bad. I'll NOT EVER quote anything from the Heritage Foundation again. I mistakenly thought that "some issue" could be treated fairly, even by the far right, but I've been proved wrong.

I am quite pleased that my mistake amused so many people. Yes, I can take it, can you?

Mea Culpa. :hi:

[Colorado Blue]

94. Question: would a FAILED suicide bomber have that

exultant look????

I seriously doubt it. Think about that.

[Colorado Blue]

46. No - I think they're totally disgraced by what she planned.

This really ISN'T reflective of true Islam. The very word "Islam" is derived from the word "peace".

[barb162]

39. This is a good move by the family, whether done out of fear

or true disgust for what she did. If more families of suicide bombers come out with these kinds of statements, some of these acts might be averted.

I especially appreciated the Jordanians marching and protesting against this bombing. If the families and greater society show their extreme displeasure and anger , maybe these acts against civilians can be stopped.

[ElectroPrincess]

59. Yes wasn't it "good" that THE KING could purge 11 people

from his cabinet (Resigned? Get real!:P )... His Royal Highness probably wanted to get rid of them for some them now. How convenient that this "attack" paved the way for Jordan's ROYALTY to clean house? ;) :wow:

[barb162]

73. Yes, sounds like a good move on the part of the King, especially

the National Security Advisor. Too bad Shrub didn't do the same thing after 9-11

:eyes:

[Andromeda]

98. Now she's Sec of State...

I guess the worst you do the more likely you are to get a promotion in the Bush administration. :):banghead:

[Roland99]

42. Media's going out of its way on these related stories around the "Iraqi"

bombers.

[twaddler01]

44. Awww...how sweet!

:sarcasm: :puke:

[northzax]

51. I have no doubt

that this is true. this is a common reaction in the Middle East when a woman 'brings shame' on the family. the question is, is the shame from being a suicide bomber, or failing at being a suicide bomber?

[Andromeda]

101. I wonder that myself...

This woman has children too and I really feel sorry for them that they can't have anything to do with their own mother.

I hope the "shame" her family feels is because she tried to blow herself up and kill innocent people.

[daleo]

55. As usual, there is no name attached to the denouncement

A name would help in verifying the woman's identity, although I suppose there will always be some uncertainty, given the problems in getting independent media on the scene.

On edit - Denunciation would be better useage, I guess.

[ElectroPrincess]

64. Good point, names have NOT been forthcoming ...

Also ask yourself, "Who benefits from such attacks?" Answer: In particular, Jordan (the King could crack down and clean his cabinet of disloyal members); The USA (Rummy exclaims "See! We are sooo needed in Iraq!" :puke:); and lets not forget <drum roll> our buddy Chalabi and other "selected" Iraqi leaders.

As the propaganda continues to come down the pipe, remember who benefits. DAMN that Al Zarkowi became "so stupid" in short order ... OR <something is going on under the radar>

[daleo]

77. There are always plenty of possibilities

A few things that make me think there may be more here than a few Iraqis crossing the border to blow up hotels:

- The way Jordan put this woman on tv so quickly. It seems like they think they have to do a sales job on their public. Even if this woman's confession is true, getting it publicized quickly and widely like this makes me think there is a lot of dissension within Jordan. Normally a confession is read out at a trial. At least it used to be, in my distant memory. I also didn't hear anything about defense lawyers, etc.

- The Clintons were on the scene in a matter of days. I don't mind the Clintons personally - given the compromises of power in a corrupt world, one can't expect perfection. In other words, I understand they are members of the status quo, but much better than Bush. Anyway, their quick appearance on the scene seemed like another effort to shore up the monarchy, by having the most credible member of the U.S. status quo lend public support.

- The firing of 11 highly placed members of the regime, as reported today. It seems to indicate insecurity on the part of the current government.

Whatever else is going on, I think there is a real concern that Jordan could spin out of the western sphere of influence. It happened in Iran in 1979, it could happen there.

[sadiesworld]

78. Weren't a couple of high level Palestinian intelligence/security

officials killed as well?

[Behind the Aegis]

83. Yes.

Two...both security personnel and one is/was (?) a member of Fatah, which is currently jockying for power against Hamas.

[ElectroPrincess]

90. Source/link for this theory?

This is the first that I've heard of such "jockeying" maneuvers. ;)

[enigma000]

105. Link

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=17679&prog=zgp&proj=zdrl,zme

Meanwhile the crisis inside Fatah rages on. Lacking a charismatic leader and with its public image tarnished by corruption and incompetence, Fatah has lost popularity among Palestinians steadily over the past decade. In light of Hamas's impressive victories in recent municipal elections in the West Bank and Gaza, Fatah leaders are justifiably worried about the possibility of a crushing defeat in the PLC elections.

Citing the lack of accountability and democracy within the party, over 240 Fatah activists in Gaza resigned recently while Fatah was preparing to hold primaries for the elections. "We have spent the last ten years trying to improve conditions in Fatah," said a letter to Abbas from the activists, who represent a young guard that has engaged in an ongoing power struggle with the party's veteran leaders. The activists' withdrawal forced the postponement of Fatah primaries (now mandated for November 20) and constituted a severe blow to Abbas's efforts to unify the party in order to prevent a strong showing by Hamas in the elections.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

102. Why does this story get smellier with each passing day?