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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:55 PM
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House Defeats Bill on Political Blogs
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The House voted 225-182 for a bill that would have excluded blogs, e-mails and other Internet communications from regulation by the
Federal Election Commission. That was 47 votes short of the two-thirds majority needed under a procedure that limited debate time and allowed no amendments.

The vote in effect clears the way for the FEC to move ahead with court-mandated rule-making to govern political speech and campaign spending on the Internet.

Opposition was led by Rep. Marty Meehan (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., who with Rep. Christopher Shays (news, bio, voting record), R-Conn., championed the 2002 campaign finance law that banned unlimited "soft money" contributions that corporations, unions and individuals were making to political parties.


This story might fall outside the LBN guidelines but I think it's important enough for an exception. I haven't heard even a whisper about this bills passage. Anyone care to guess why? ...becasue we are killing(as Chris Matthews like to call it)"the legitimate media". I'm sure CNN, MSNBC, Faux and ll the rest are loving this.

Jay
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:58 PM
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1. Payoff to MSM for their duplifity AND serious infringement on free speech
I blog therefore the FEC can push me around? Hmmmmm, the Iron Curtian is coming.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:58 PM
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2. This is a dark day for us all.
I hope the voices of reason can deep six this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:00 PM
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4. "govern political speech"---what does this mean for DU?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:00 PM
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3. Political donations via the internet are already regulated.
I guess we have to read the bill to see just what changes this can make. I know all the donations I made to the Dean campaign we associated with my name, address, etc, and there was always a acution that these donations had to remain within the Fed. guide lines.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:03 PM
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6. This is about blogs
Whether anyone can freely post political speech on the Internets.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:09 PM
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9. And just what would they consider a blog? Is DU a blog?
Is the Freeper site a blog? I seeing big problems with this bill. I don't think the FEC is going to be able to set any regulations without getting into the results of the SC cases that more or less OK any political speech.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 04:38 PM
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21. Or, What is a blog?
Is it more like a radio or television show, or a public letter?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:11 PM
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10. We'll maybe have to start gaming the system
and put some kind of disclaimer before every post! Not that "I" am exhorting you to contribute to this candidate, who is (list qualities here) and who has (describe accomplishments here), but purely as a matter of information, I went to (put website here) and contributed, because I, personally, believe that this person is the best candidate.

They can regulate the dough, but regulating the speech is a tough nut to crack. Of course, with the nuts in the administration, anything is possible.

Funny, I always thought the GOP averred that MONEY was SPEECH. Which means those of us without deep pockets have duct tape over our mouths....
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:01 PM
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5. I wish the FEC . . .
Good fucking luck managing the blogosphere. Most are unfunded, and those that are are so murkily funded (and fungibly funded) that they'll never keep up.

And those with bucks will get lawyers to dump weevils in the ears of the regulators.

The impluse behind this ruling is antidemocratic, but I don't see it working on a practical level.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:05 PM
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7. Ya Know, For All The Bitching...
the Thugs like to do about lawyers, they sure do like creating more of them.

Jay
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:12 PM
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11. And when they are in hot water, they hire DEMOCRATS!
DeLay, Scooter...go for the Democratic shark when your ass is on the line!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:08 PM
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8. When are these baster going to STOP?!?!
Edited on Thu Nov-03-05 02:12 PM by Rainscents
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:27 PM
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12. Never.
I address that very issue in this week's Blog Box (on the DU homepage tomorrow morning).

They will never stop, and we can never rest! We'll have to fight them forever.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:50 PM
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13. so we will watch the right while
they watch us....ok that makes a lot of sense. they succeeded in criminalizing free file sharing,then the wonderful digital rights act, now they have succeeded in criminalizing political speech and action..not enough people paid any attention..it`s a little to late isn`t it.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:18 PM
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14. It Probably Is Too Little Too Late.
The crux is on the who's watching who part. Who decides what constitutes political speech or, more importantly, what constitutes political speech that is worthy of regulation. Partisan congressional committees? A commission? Who provides the oversight?

Jay
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:36 PM
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15. The Democrats did this!!!!!
Here is the count -

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll559.xml

What gives???!!!
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:43 PM
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16. Because it had a nasty loop hole
Edited on Thu Nov-03-05 03:44 PM by apnu
from: http://news.com.com/Democrats+defeat+election-law+aid+for+bloggers/2100-1028_3-5929587.html

The Federal Election Commission is under court order to finalize rules extending a controversial 2002 campaign finance law to the Internet. Unless Congress acts, the final regulations are expected to be announced by the end of the year. (They could cover everything from regulating hyperlinks to politicians' Web sites to forcing disclosure of affiliations with campaigns.)

Opponents of the reform plan mounted a last-minute effort to derail the bill before the vote on Wednesday evening. Liberal advocacy groups circulated letters warning the measure was too broad and would invite "corrupt" activities online, and The New York Times wrote in an editorial this week that "the Internet would become a free-fire zone without any limits on spending."


(edited due to malformed BB tag)
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:56 PM
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17. loophole
Which "Liberal advocacy groups"? What kind of "corruption"?

I don't want my online speech to be controlled or censored in any way. On Daily Kos you can read arguments for the reform - see "Online Freedom of Speech: The Morning After".

This was a bad move by the Democrats.

And the MSM is smiling because it helps narrow the access to dissimention of opinion and increases the power of monopoly.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:59 PM
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19. This Campaign Finance "Reform" is all a censorship sham.
Damn McCain Feingold bill! :grr: The Democrats fell behind because of it and now this POS is passed. This is horrible. Blogs are free speech. Emails are free speech too.
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 04:46 PM
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22. Is Tipper trying to Censor stuff again???
sorry I couldn't resist... :)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:58 PM
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18. i just don't understand how POLITICAL SPEECH can be regulated
and i really want to punch something right now.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 04:07 PM
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20. Like FoxNews.com?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 04:49 PM
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23. So, they're gonna control all of the internet servers? How?
You'll have to apply to someone somewhere to up load from a server? How will they stop us from connecting to someone's server if we know the address?
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