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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:26 PM
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Is Sony Trying to Kill the CD Format for Music?
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/001051.html

Is Sony Trying to Kill the CD Format for Music?
Posted by Andrew Brandt
Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 10:32 AM (PST)



By now, you've probably heard the news that Sony, the media giant, has been quietly installing hidden software on PCs, when people buy music albums published by Sony BMG Music, and try to play them on their computers. The software, called Extended Copy Protection (or XCP) uses rootkit techniques similar to those used by viruses, Trojan horse programs, and spyware to hide the fact that it is installed from the user.

The discovery, by security expert Mark Russinovich (whose outfit, Sysinternals.com, makes several free Windows utilities I find invaluable in diagnosing spyware infestations), details how Sony uses commercial software that automatically installs itself when you put a music CD in a Windows PC's CD drive.

...

The bigger question people have got to ask is, does Sony not respect the integrity of the computers of its customers? This cavalier act of sneaking software onto PCs not only violates our own Prime Directive -- it's our PC, dammit -- but threatens the entire music industry.

After all, if you suspect that a commercial CD will install software secretly, which you won't be able to remove and which, itself, may increase the already-great security problems of your Windows PC, would you continue to buy CDs?

I'll tell you right now, I won't. I'd much rather buy an unrestricted copy of a song electronically, using iTunes, or Rhapsody, or one of the other music services that offer this feature, than take a chance that some music disc will stick some hidden files in my Windows folder, which I can't see or remove.


More... http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/001051.html


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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:30 PM
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1. What do these rootkits do?
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 03:40 PM by TechBear_Seattle
Washington State has some of the strictest anti-virus and anti-malware laws in the US. I wonder if I could sue Sony?

Added: One of my co-workers, who is a music buff, mentioned that a list he subscribes to has been discussing the matter since yesterday. In Washington, it is a felony to install "malicious software" on to a user's computer without the user's consent. The definition of "malicious software" was recently broadened to include any code that disables, hijacks or alters the performance of legitimate software, without full disclosure of the "malicious software's" actions. Investigations in to a class-action lawsuit under Washington law is already underway.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:35 PM
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7. A little background on root kits...
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6361348.html

Security Watch: Root Kit 101

By Robert Vamosi
Senior editor, CNET Reviews
October 21, 2005



I've written before about the dangers of remote access Trojan horses (RATs). Briefly, these are bits of code that get onto your computer in a variety of ways and open an unused port on your PC so that remote criminal hackers (crackers) can gain access at their leisure. Root kits are a more specialized version of a RAT, in that they are virtually invisible. The good news is that more and more security vendors are recognizing the danger posed by root kits. The bad news is that root kit authors are finding more and better ways of keeping their malicious code hidden.

<snip>

There's quite a bit more here, as well as some additional discussion in the forum associated with the article.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:41 PM
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12. Thanks for the linkage! n/t
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:31 PM
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2. I've said it before-
It's not piracy that's killing the music industry, it's the sheer amout of marketed crap,lack of risk-taking, and the ridiculous prices of CDs (which benefits neither the consumer nor the artist) that's doing the job.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:32 PM
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4. Bad music high prices..
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:38 PM
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48. I agree
I was watching a VH1 documentary about one of my all-time favorite artists (George Michael). When he released his first solo album called Faith in 1987, it yielded SIX #1 songs on the billboard charts.

Those kind of albums nowadays are just completely unheard of.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #48
61. You say that like it's a bad thing.
George Michael albums being "unheard of nowadays", that is.
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:52 AM
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65. Actually what I meant was...
that you pretty much never see an album that spins out so many #1 songs nowadays. That George Michael album is still great and I continue to listen to it now.

If more "great" albums like Faith were being produced, I'd buy more CD's. I don't like paying ~$15 or whatever for an album that has one or two hit songs, but the rest of the CD is filler crap.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:31 PM
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3. Yes another reason to prefer Macs.
None of this malware will install itself on a Macintosh!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:33 PM
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6. or linux (i think...i'd have to find out more to be sure)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Yes, Linux SHOULD be immune from this, too.
Because the internal mechanisms are so different.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:43 PM
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14. Don't depend on it
The idea that Macs and Linux boxes are immune to viruses is based completely on the fact that Windows dominates the computing environment, and a lot of people have a fanatical hate for Bill Gates. Linux and Mac viruses are appearing.

But, in this case, it's no more difficult to engineer a viral or Trojan form of "copy protection" than for Windows.

There's another big difference, too, but it doesn't pertain to the OS. That is, it's almost impossible to trace virus makers; but the big entertainment companies are hard to avoid.

--p!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Not true.
As a device driver writer for Windows, Macs, Linux and BSD, I would happily testify in court that it is MUCH, MUCH easier to write such a thing for Windows.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:00 PM
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19. That's not my point, though
It might be much easier to write malware for Windows, but the big corporations would have the resources to hire top-flight programmers. It is no big deal to pay a top programming house a couple of million dollars to write a newly-legal parasite intended to protect the sanctity of Profit.

There are no "unbreakable" systems, though I agree, Windows is a particularly vulnerable OS. What the corporations want, the corporations get -- unless and until we put our collective foot down, or up their collective ass.

If nothing else, their "fool-proof" parasites will be analyzed and destroyed by other hackers. DVD copy prevention encoding was a fairly tricky system, but it was cracked in a short time.

As to general virus issues with Macs and Linux/BSD -- I'd still scan regularly.

--p!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:23 PM
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22. And I do scan regularly...
Never found one, though... (Except once, in 1996, a discarded computer I rescued had a copy of the ancient Mac NVIR virus on it, which was inoperative since the system it was on had already been patched to prevent its working.)
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Since Linux doesn't run anything on a CD without being asked to
(unlike windows which will "auto-run" CDs) I doubt very much that Linux is vulnerable to this kind of attack.

Not that unix-like systems aren't vulnerable to "trojan" attacks - one of the most famous ever was perpetrated on a unix C compiler so that it produced backdoored "login" executables ( http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html )
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:44 PM
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32. True, I don't know how difficult it is for a standard Linux setup...
to be vulnerable to such an attack, considering that the basic setup doesn't allow for write access to most of the disk. In other words, unless such rootkits exploit login backdoors or kernel exploits, I would say it is much harder to have such things happen. Unless of course, you actually run as default user "root", which is idiotic.
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:08 PM
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39. Oh, never mind - reading the original article at
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/ I see that the CDs in question come with a version of Media Player that you have to install to play the CDs, and installing that is what gives you the rootkit, so my assumption that autorun was involved was wrong.

You can bet that Sony won't be bringing out a Linux version of Windows Media Player any time soon, anyway, so I'm safe for now! ;-)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #26
71. drive by installs do not require auto-play
All they require is that the user install something. That act of installation opens the door.

In the sony case you have to install the media player to play the stupid DRM CD. To do that you have to have admin privilege. Now you are cooked - the install program is running with enough privelege to do any damn thing it wants.

Linux has the same problem as windows with respect to administrative privilege. There is an NSA version of linux (NSA secure linux) that attempts to avoid this issue, and Microsoft is taking a similar approach with Vista, although both run into the problem that usability is in direct conflict with compartmentalized security.

I'll try once more. The lack of mac and linux viruses, malware, etc. is a reflection of the disparity in installed base compared to windows. Like software vendors, virus implementors in general take a look at the installed base, and they will port to mac/linux/whatever when they get around to it but they will implement for windows first.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #14
57. I have been hearing that for almost 10 years now..
So far the only virius on my system has been that infamous linux virus that works on the "honor" system, you receive an email from a fellow linux user requesting that you randomly delete a few files and then send a copy of the email to at least two friends. It all works on the "honor" system. At the rate these linux viruses are coming, I stand a good chance of being dead before it becomes a problem. On the other hand Windows had problems back in the dos days, even before they managed to monopolize the desktop..but keep telling yourself it doesn't matter, linux and Mac will have the same problem, some day soon, never - ever consider it a problem associated with Microsoft poducts.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 12:46 AM
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49. nonsense.
The only reason why the Mac isn't more of a target is that it doesn't have enough market share to bother with. Same with linux. All operating systems are vulnerable to attack.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #49
56. OK, try to write a Mac virus.
Come back when you succeed.

I won't hold my breath.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. A simple google search
Here ya go- top three mac viruses documented at the symantec site

Symantec Security Response - Mac.Simpsons@mm
Mac.Simpsons@mm is an AppleScript worm that targets the Macintosh platform. It may open Microsoft Outlook Express or Entourage, and send a copy of itself with the ...
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ mac.simpsons@mm.html - 25.8KB - United States

Symantec Security Response - MP3Concept
MP3Concept is a proof-of-concept Trojan horse that is targeted at the Mac OS X platform. As this is written, this threat has not been reported in the wild. The ...
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ mp3concept.html - 26.0KB - United States

Symantec Security Response - SH.Renepo.B
SH.Renepo.B is a data-collecting script virus that only runs on Mac OS X systems. Note: Virus definitions dated prior to October 26, 2004 may detect this threat as ...
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ sh.renepo.b.html - 33.3KB - United States

What? Did you say something?

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:29 AM
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63. No, I said *you* write one...
Virus companies have to justify their existence, so they work HARD to come up with attempts at viruses that never did and never could survive in the wild. None of these is a current threat even without virus guards, and none of them ever caused damage in real systems.

I know the internals of MacOS X really well, and I cannot imagine a successful virus except for those that infest Microsoft applications (like word macro viruses) regardless of what system they run on.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #63
70. Ok fine.
I am certainly not going to write a virus. If you think that OSx is secure enough to preclude all virus attacks, despite the fact that there exist viruses for OsX, there is little I can do to persuade you of the error of your ways as you are acting on faith, not reason.

However I won't quite give up. Virus-proof operating systems are a subject of RESEARCH not COMMERCIAL IMPLEMENTATION. They require a level of security that, for now, is in direct conflict with usability. Google the NSA secure linux project for some insight into how difficult this is.

For commercial operating systems, 'virus proof' means a system disconnected from any network that is never subject to the installation of any software after its initial installation.
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Cult Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:53 AM
Response to Reply #3
58. Woo Woo!
Never had music problems on my G4!
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:32 PM
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5. Is this also true of Sony blank media products as well?
I'd be curious to know...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. No...
Blank media should be safe.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:07 PM
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20. Blank media MUST be safe.
OTherwise, it isn't blank; a format must exist for the data to sit on, and once that's done, the disc is closed and cannot be rewritten unless it is a CDRW disc.

Even then, a complete format of the disc would erase anything already sitting on it.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:26 PM
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24. "blank" media does have some data on it.
This data identifies the type of media, and whether it is an Audio disk or not. (Audio disks have the built-in royalty payment to RIAA, so, why is making a copy to one illegal???) I am not sure of how large this track can be, or if you could hide malware in it, but I doubt is is a danger.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:37 PM
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9. Right. Like no ones computer ever got mal-ware, spy-ware, a
virus or some other unseen and unwanted program from a music download.

The fact is that our computers are at the mercy of those who manufacture the media that we install and plug into them every day.

We have a right to expect proper disclosure and honesty from software manufacturers. They need to be regulated in a way that protects consumers.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Mine never has
But I know wtf I'm doing. :shrug:
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Thats great for you but the average consumer does not have the
inclination nor time to protect their system from mega-corps that spend millions of $$$'s to develop stealth software.

The only way to protect the public is by legislation. Not that Bush & Co. are going to do it - they are busy protecting the mega-corps.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Yeah, I know, that's the fucked up thing about it
These stealth copy protection schemes don't solve anything, they just end up screwing over the average consumer. People in the know will always find a way around it. DRM only serves to fuck up people's machines.

I vote with my wallet and only buy directly from the artists. I go to support local bands and people I like...hell I just went to a show this past Sunday and bought a T-shirt and some CDs from a couple of the groups.

Unfortunately the *AAs have Congress in their pocket, I doubt we will ever seen substantial legislation to protect the consumer. :(
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:38 PM
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11. Almost ... Sony is trying to commit suicide
People are riled up now about the RIAA and its inane crusade, but haven't boiled over yet. Imagine where all that anger is going to go when these secret "security enhancements" start messing with peoples' computers -- and lives.

RFID technology. Secret computer spyware. Intellectual Property rights extended to absurd lengths at the behest of a couple of companies and a dead musician/comedian/right-winger/Scientologist (that would be Salvatore "Sonny" Bono).

It's not the Mark of the Beast -- it's the Mark of the Vulture.

--p!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. The Average Consumer Will Never Know
and probably not care. They'll know their comp is acting flaky, but they'll never put two and two together.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
28. They already know when they find out they can't take the music...
from CD to Ipod, then they will be pissed.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. I am seeing more music discs in record storesw/copy protection these days
I think Sony eventually wants to make their artist's discs un-iTunes rippable.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:47 PM
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16. Why would Sony be doing this?
What do they hope to gain?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #16
52. rootkits
take over a bit of the OS for various reasons. In this case Sony wanted to be able to hide their DRM copy protection software from people trying to circumvent it. So they stole some OS interfaces to allow them to intercept all attempts to list files in directories, and use these 'hooks' to make their copy protection files 'disappear'.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #52
66. Pardon my ignorance
But I have no idea what that means.

I do know that my PC was made by Sony and that I burn numerous CDs and DVDs on it with no problem. So I don't get what it is alleged that they're trying to prevent...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #66
69. Lots of confusiuon: you are not alone.
First, this only applies to music cds sold by sony that are labelled as having Digital Rights Management (DRM) protection. This has nothing to do with PCs manufactured by Sony, or non-DRM cds sold by Sony.

In order to play these CDs on your pc you have to install SOny's media player application. By doing so you also install, without your knowledge, a rather hideous bunch of software (the root kit that this discussion is about) used by Sony to protect their media player from circumvention. This root kit hides a lot of other software (and itself) by stealing a bunch of OS interfaces. In doing so it manages to open up a huge backdoor for more malicious spyware, malware, viruses etc. to get into your system.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:52 PM
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17. yup

It's just another example of an incomprehensible and suicidal business decision.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:54 PM
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18. I don't like ITunes very much.
The format is too compressed, for one. You should be able to download .wav files, but the DRM necessitates some kind of different file format than a pure sound file.

Lame.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. DRM can be encoded into a full-resolution PCM audio file.
The reason they don't offer them for download is a file size issue. Apple has a lossless codec they can use, but it only achieves about a 1:2 compression ratio.

They figure not many would be willing to download that large a file, but it's the only way I would buy music over the Internet - I'm not about to pay money for music in a lossy format. I don't like mp3's at all, that swirling-toilet treble drives me nuts.

Todd in Beerbratistan
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #31
44. Exactly.
MP3's just aren't worth full price, which is what 99 cents a song in AAC format minus packaging comes out to.
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zara Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:20 PM
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21. Sony's action could violate its privacy policy, among other things,
if there is not adequate disclosure. Tort lawyers probably looking at this?
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:25 PM
Response to Original message
23. SImple Solution....
Buy CDs from independant artists and labels who don't do that shit...

Start with this one...

http://cdbaby.com/soulamp

hehehe

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Boycott Sony.
Major label artists are mostly crap anyway. Dig deeper, find real innovation in your music.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
45. The real solution, which I tested on the recent My Morning Jacket album...
...which is fucking awesome, by the way, is to hold the shift key after inserting the disc. This disables autoplay in Windows, which is how the software starts.

If you don't do this, you are prompted to agree to terms of use and then software that will ruin your rip to mp3 will install itself to your machine, which is difficult to remove and does not add itself to the "add/remove programs" list in Control Panel.

After the CD ROM drive finishes initializing (sometimes you will see an hourglass briefly when this happens), you should be able to drag and drop to your ITunes library.

It should be noted that the software enables a DRM-protected Windows Media Audio (WMA) rip, but this is useless to anyone with an IPod.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #23
64. Got 12 hits yesterday....lol
Edited on Thu Nov-03-05 09:41 AM by LeftHander
From my attempt...

No buyers though.

:-(

Actually just get a crappy PC and let it disinigrate into popup land.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:28 PM
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30. Don't buy sony cd's.
Too bad for artists that signed up with them. :nopity:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:59 PM
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35. One more reason to buy a Mac!
Notice how it's only on Windows PCs? You wont get that crap installed on your Mac if you have one.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:58 PM
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36. Sony have been robbing music fans since the dawn of time.
You name it - the introduction of the CD, the mini-disc, copy protection - its all a scam to get people paying over and over gain for the same back catalogue. They are one of the main reasons why I stopped regularly buying records decades ago.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:08 PM
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37. Buy a Mac..
...or run Linux on your Wintel box.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:20 PM
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38. That's probably why those CD-ROMs screw up Macs
Here's one account:

Celine Dion Killed My iMac!
http://www.macopinion.com/columns/curmudgeon/

I wonder if this technique keeps it from installing the software:
CD Crack: Magic Marker Indeed
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52665,00.html
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:10 PM
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40. all windows users: DISABLE AUTOPLAY
stop and disable the 'shell hardware detection' service is one way
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:06 PM
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46. Or hold down shift when inserting disc, which disables autoplay also. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:00 AM
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51. that helps
but you buy a sony DRM CD and in order to play it you need to install the Sony media player and then you are cooked. Autoplay not required, and it is very difficult for any OS to prevent mal/crapware from being installed when the user says 'install this'. As long as the user has administrative privileges, user directed installations are a huge problem.

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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 01:23 PM
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68. they have no business calling these things CDs
I bet I could play it without installing their crap. Look for a program called Exact Audio Copy, it's a great ripper.
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:12 PM
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41. Sony have now released an uninstaller for the rootkit
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 08:12 PM by evermind
at http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html

November 2, 2005 - This Service Pack removes the cloaking technology component that has been recently discussed in a number of articles published regarding the XCP Technology used on SONY BMG content protected CDs. This component is not malicious and does not compromise security. However to alleviate any concerns that users may have about the program posing potential security vulnerabilities, this update has been released to enable users to remove this component from their computers.

http://updates.xcp-aurora.com/



as seen on slashdot at: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/2147258&tid=167&tid=188&tid=185&tid=98

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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:19 PM
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42. hehe
and who will trust them to install this? :rofl:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:55 AM
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53. That's a misrepresentation...
All this program does is make the files in question, of the rootkit, visible to the Windows API, ANY ATTEMPT AT THEN MANUALLY REMOVING THE OFFENDING FILES WILL RESULT IN POSSIBLY LOSING ACCESS TO YOUR CD-ROM DRIVE.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:20 PM
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43. do you think they will hurt by this?
I think consumers are going to start thinking twice about purchasing products by Sony. They might lose money from it...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:05 PM
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47. Absolutely!!
(I hope.)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 12:58 AM
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50. DRM crapware and rootkit detection.
An interesting side discussion happened around Mr. Russinovich's blog note on his experience with the Sony crapware. As the crapware in question was DRM crapware it actually is protected by the noxious Digital Millenia Protection Act. This crapware-legislation makes it illegal to tamper with DRM software, including REMOVING IT FROM YOUR SYSTEM. So Russinovich, off checking his system for rootkits, finds one, removes it, and in doing so potentially opens himself up for either civil (EULA license with Sony crapware prohibits tampering) or criminal (DMPA thinks its a crime to undo what some DRM software has done to YOUR system.) Neat huh? Run a virus checker, go to jail.

Of course this is a bit of hyperbole, undoubtedly nobody is going to go after someone for removing a rootkit from their system, once they understand what a rootkit is.

Interesting side note on just how STUPID the sony crapware is: it hides all files with a certain unusual naming pattern ($sys$ or something like it in the name). So guess what can piggyback right on top of the Sony crapware? Real malware/spyware/virii that are using the nicely hidden name scheme from their unwitting friend Sony.

The lawsuits should all be going in Sony's direction, and it should cost them quite a bit.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 02:59 AM
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54. Even more ridiculous...
Circumventing these schemes is also, technically, illegal, so basically, if you have a Non-Windows OS or disable auto play(shift key or permanent), then theoretically Sony could sue you for circumventing their DRM.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:01 AM
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62. The problem with invoking DMCA
is that the software installed is itself in violation of various laws at the very least on the state level in several states. Illegal software cannot be protected by another law. Sony has committed a crime by sneaking a rootkit onto PC's, an action for which there is NO excuse whatsoever for anyone. That's called destruction of property.

Sony has flushed an awful lot of good will down the commode, and stand to lose far, far more than they would have lost from music piracy. Typical behavior of myopic corporate suits...no perspective at all. Why does it always seem like unregulated capitalism ends up eating itself...

Todd in Beerbratistan :beer:
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 04:58 AM
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55. Didn't Philips say that CD's with this PoS on it, can't be called CD's?
I heard something about it a while ago, that Phillips (who afaik invented the CD format in the beginning) has said, that music CD's with various formats of Copy Protection on it, can't be called a CD?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:15 AM
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67. Yes, they did. It violates the standards for music CD's
A lot of people returned their CD's saying that this was really a data disk and there was no warning on the label.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 06:14 AM
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59. That's why I do things the old-fashioned way
I play all commercially made cds on my stereo, never on my pc. I've long suspected that spyware and more installs itself in the computer when these thigs play--not to mention that certain media players transmit electronically to the manufacturer information including the title of the cd that you're playing.
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