Mayor Blames Gangs for Anti-Nazi Violence

[jasmeel]

WHA? Personally I blame the Nazi's for inflaming people but that's just me. What proof do they have that the counter protesters were in gangs? Oh yeah-they were black.:eyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051016/ap_on_re_us/nazi_march

TOLEDO, Ohio - A crowd that gathered to protest a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.

Mayor Jack Ford blamed the rioting on gangs taking advantage of a volatile situation. He declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol for help.

"It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, which was canceled because of the rioting.

At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," had gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.

[bemildred]

1. I would sure like to know the story of how these racists

came to be having their little march in Toledo.
That seems like a long way from home. Did someone
invite them? This all has a very melodramatic
feel to it.

[jasmeel]

3. They claim they are there because the gangs are harassing

whitey.

[Kurovski]

9. Yeah, they call it "Compassionate Nazism."

[bemildred]

12. Riiiiiiight. nt

[Sivafae]

2. I don't know. Maybe it is just me, but...

Perhaps the whole 2% approval rating of Bush in the African community has something to do with this.

[Kurovski]

10. You're not alone, and it's an interesting topic to ponder.

Maybe even investigate.

I posted earlier about the 2% in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5070183#5070678

[tsuki]

4. Remember the march planned in Skokie, IL in the late 1970s.

The community had a lot of holocast survivors. Publicity. That's what they want.

[belle]

5. Yeah, and it makes them feel righteously martyred when they're attacked.

[tsuki]

11. I don't know why. The ACLU was defending them. And they got what

they really wanted, a march in Chicago PLUS all the publicity.

[AintIgreat]

6. So the govt doesnt like people to protest against bush or the war but will

issue a permit to the New Nazi to march

[Kailassa]

7. Of Course.

Who will replace the Old Nazis in government if we don't nurture some new ones?

[uniden]

8. they have to follow rules and get permits

but they can protest, just as one can protest against El Chimpo. People have protested Bush, no?

[Kurovski]

16. Yes that's what the government "protest zones"

were for over the past five years.

Blocks away from Bush and the cameras.

The media refuses to give fair and appropriate coverage to peaceful protests, and then whine, moan and bloviate ad nauseum when rocks start flying.

Idiots.

[uniden]

17. nazis, you and me have the SAME rights, as weird as it may seem

better that way though

[Kurovski]

19. They aren't quite the same. As I stated the free speech of

thousands of anti-war protesters and others with strong grievances against the Bush administration have been suppressed by the administration through protest zones.

From the beginning of the Bush era protesters followed him wherever he went in numbers not seen since Nixon, and only a small number of Americans could tell you that, so well suppressed were those protests.

When you get down to it, no one's rights are very well honored by BushCo. They very much resent them. Bush himself has said he'd rather be a dictator, the lazy little dufus.

It doesn't seem weird at all that nazi's get to protest in America. Having an American president allowing suppression of protests, that's what's weird.

Even a pretend president. Hmm, actually, that's weird too.

[uniden]

20. "protest zones"

welcoem to the 'free" america. The nazis are also told to go to a specific spot. They can't just gather in the park or where they want to, the cops tell them where to "march". However, in their case it serves them well, because they'd probably be killed

[Kurovski]

22. They gathered in the park. Did they not want to be in the park?

Where did they want to go? Maybe directly into homes?

That would be so much like the good old days in Germany, wouldn't it?
You might agree that given a few more years BushCo may dispense with our rights altogether and "door to door" protests for some may be the going thing.

[ucmike]

25. the articles say the town didn't issue permits

but they couldn't stop them from walking down the sidewalks and enjoying their right to free speech, as assinine as that speech may be.

the community has a right to counter protest. i don't know how anyone can justify attacking police, press, and private property hours after the nazis left the area.

[progressivebydesign]

13. I'm trying to figure out WHY Nazis call themselves "Socialists".

Am I just totally messed up on my understanding groups and politics? Since when would Nazis be Socialists? I thoght they were fascists?

Just what everyone in America needs.. more violence. There is no excuse for violence, I don't care HOW pissed off people were that the Nazis wanted to march.. City is damned if they do, damned if they don't. Nazis are scum and the violent reaction to them only plays into their sick little hands.

[bemildred]

14. National Socialists German Workers' Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

[Blaq Dem]

29. They call themselves 'socialists' because...

they expect rich white people to take air their poor pathetic asses just because they happen to share the same skin color. They can care less about any other groups in this country.

[Kurovski]

15. The article reports 600. Highly dubious as the televised

reports showed no evidence of those numbers.

Maybe 100. Maybe.

There may have been 600 to counter-protest, but rioters were of a smaller number. The media however, showed no footage of actual protesters.

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[Kurovski]

21. NOW free speech is dying? Where you been for five years?

:-) I'm sure that the protesters felt that the march was a smashing success. They got what they wanted. There is a quote in the article saying as much, and I agree with it.

Um, welcome ! Poke around DU, you might could read up on the ongoing death of our rights in this country under the Bush administration's watchful eyes.

[TheWraith]

23. Correct me if I'm wrong, here...

...But isn't "anti-Nazi violence" the GOOD kind? Preferred, at least, over the alternative?

[ErisFiveFingers]

24. It's official.

*uppity nigras" are now *black gangs*

Pathetic.

[badger1080]

33. Mayor Ford hates black people

I would give the mayor the benefit of the doubt. I'm guessing if he said gangs, then he did have intelligence that it was gang members.
Some are too eager to attack the mayor as racist. Especially seeing as how Ford is black, I doubt he thinks all blacks are gang members.

[struggle4progress]

26. Toledo Remains Under Curfew

Police began receiving word midweek that gangs were going to descend on a neighborhood where a riot erupted over a planned march by a white supremacist group, but the resulting disturbance was worse than expected, the police chief said Sunday.

The riot broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park. Rioters threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said. More than 100 people were arrested and one officer was seriously injured.

Officers who work in the area reported that gang members were planning to turn out in force, and authorities made plans to handle any disturbances, Police Chief Mike Navarre said at a news conference Sunday morning. <snip>

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=3985551&nav=ZolHbyvj

[cwydro]

27. i'm sorry

but I do believe the gangs played right into the Nazi's hands on this.

The KKK came to our neighborhood some years ago...we all gathered and peacefully mocked them with signs and silence. They have never come back here since....I think it would be even better to completely ignore them. Look at the publicity they got..and how the gangs made things even worse for themselves...

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[AgadorSparticus]

28. the neonazis picked a predominantly low income black neighborhood

and while the city did not give them permits, the police were there to defend them. :wtf: gee, why would those black people be angry at the PO-LEECE??

i put the blame of the whole situation squarely on the city. the neonazis picked a volatile area knowing full well they were infringing on someone's "turf". and the police enabled them. i'm not surprised it all ended up in absolute chaos.

while those fucktard nazis have every right to preach their hate, i sure as hell wouldn't allow them to do so while bullying other people.

[fleabert]

30. o h i o...

that is all that needs to be said.

I lived there.

[noonwitch]

32. I blame the mayor and city council for letting the nazis march in that

part of town. Of course, the nazis bear responsibility because they are constantly trying to provoke that type of reaction, and the rioters for being stupid enough to fall for that trap and using the hateful speech of the nazis as an excuse to riot.

But the officials should have known better, and given the nazis a permit to do their hate thing on a block of abandoned factories, where there are no residences. Most citizens of all races don't really want to see or hear their bullshit.

If the nazis/kkk had moved their little demonstration about 60 miles north, they would have received an even kinder greeting from the locals, and may not have walked away from it. They should be grateful that the gangs in Toledo do not appear to have access to the same firepower that those in Detroit have.

When I lived in K-zoo in the 80s, the infamous Chicago Nazis ("I hate Illinois Nazis" from "The Blues Brothers") came to protest in front of the library. Everyone ignored them and they never came back.