US and Canadian LEOs torture US military Veteran!

[satireV]

http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051013/NEWS06/510130370/1020
U.S. vet's extradition inflames supporters

BY GENE JOHNSON

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE -- A U.S. Army veteran who fled to Canada after he was accused of growing marijuana to help control chronic pain was taken from a hospital by Canadian authorities, driven to the U.S. border with a catheter still attached, and turned over to U.S. officials -- who provided him with no medical treatment for five days, his lawyer said.

Steven William Tuck, 38, was still fitted with the urinary catheter when he shuffled into U.S. District Court for a detention hearing Wednesday, said his lawyer, Douglas Hiatt.

U.S. Magistrate Judge James Donohue ordered Tuck temporarily released so that Hiatt and Sunil Aggarwal, the president of Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility, could take him to Harborview Medical Center for treatment.

"The guy comes into the jail with a catheter sticking out the end of his (penis), you'd think they'd do something about it!" Hiatt said, launching into a profanity-laced tirade after the hearing. "This is totally inhumane. He's been tortured for days for no reason."

However, by the time Donohoe issued his order releasing Tuck, King County Jail officials had received a detainment request from Humboldt County, Calif., officials, so he was not released Wednesday, Hiatt said.

Tuck is a veteran who said he suffered debilitating injuries in the late 1980s, when his parachute failed to open during a jump. He spent a year at Walter Reed Army Medical Center undergoing surgeries to fuse discs in his back, Hiatt said. Over the years, he has had more than a dozen surgeries, his friends said.

satireV

City of Truth

[formercia]

1. More compassionate conservatism in action.

Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

[Lasher]

2. Support our troops! (EOM)

[gulfcoastliberal]

3. Pretty clear Canada is no longer a safe haven for US refugees.

Time to consider options much further away, geographically and ideologically speaking.

[anotherdrew]

5. canada can go fuck itself for this

[anotherdrew]

4. I would love to gret my hands on the sick sunsabitchs behind this

the officials behind this buillshit need to be punished.

[pushycat]

10. Think Dept. of Homeland Security and Mr. Chertoff and his

expertise to help write torture memos.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/03/159203

No way would this have ever happened pre-2000. Treatment like this exceeds NAZI cruelty. unbelievable

[pushycat]

40. More info on who Mr. Chertoff has hired to provide

security for the Homeland: ex-STASI and KBG officials. Maybe that explains this horrid treatment of Americans:

http://proliberty.com/observer/20050216.htm

[Ezlivin]

6. My reich-wing neighbor doesn't think pot users in wheelchairs go to jail

I'm a disabled veteran in a chair who uses a catheter. Oh, and I also inhale. My neighbor thinks that cops don't arrest "crippled" people.

I told him to stop drinking the Koolaid and snap the hell out of it. But he doesn't listen and I keep my ears tuned for the sound of jack boots kicking in my front door.

I love freedom! Can I have just a little more?

[NorthernSpy]

7. why didn't it occur to anyone to just leave the poor man alone?

Who exactly was he hurting?

How did arresting him serve the cause of justice?

[Kailassa]

8. The torture is when , after 5 days or more, that catheter is torn out. n/

[West Coast Democrat]

9. There's also a link at CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/13/national/main940528.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=U.S._940528

[Megahurtz]

11. No medical treatment for five days???????

:wow::wtf:

[Bravo411]

12. Sick F@#%!n Bastards...

That's just inhumane treatment.

[pelagius]

13. CNN: Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge

SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- An Army veteran who fled to Canada to avoid prosecution for growing marijuana to treat his chronic pain was taken from a hospital, driven to the border with a catheter still attached, and turned over to U.S. officials, his lawyer said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/13/patient.arrest.ap/index.html

[xchrom]

14. oh yeah -- that guy was threat

to some plants.

[Book Lover]

15. I'm sure the Founding Fathers would have approved

After all, didn't they revolt so we could be this free?

:sarcasm:

[tanyev]

16. I think they would be mighty puzzled as to why it is illegal to grow hemp.

[KittyWampus]

36. please don't conflate hemp and marijuana.

[tanyev]

38. I do not. However, our government appears to.

Since it is not possible to grow the hemp plant without
being in possession of marijuana, the United States does not
produce any industrial hemp products, and must import them
or, more often, substitute others. (There is a way to grow
hemp legally, but it involves filing an application with the
Drug Enforcement Administration and the DEA very rarely ever
gives its permission.)
http://www.cannabis.com/faqs/hemp1.shtml

I was specifically referring to the mention of the Founding Fathers in the post to which I replied. Hemp would have been a very common and useful crop in colonial America. But our government encourages an evil boogeyman perception of marijuana, even to the extent of discouraging the growth of a plant which is still very useful and versatile today.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. The founding fathers would be doing more than just

talking a little revolution by this stage

[Bravo411]

35. I agree ...

The bullets would be flying by now.

[Fovea]

17. Does anyone remember when SCOTUS

said that the 1000 year old bit of common law called 'medical necessity' defense was invalid in medical MJ cases?

This is why that was such a f'd up decision.

[tsuki]

18. Compassionate Conservatism. We now torture our own. eom

[klook]

19. Either you're with us

or you're with the patients.

:puke:

[Benhurst]

20. This makes me proud to be an American and live in the

U.S.A. NOT!

[Burma Jones]

22. Nasty Little Shits

Fuck them in their eye sockets.

[BiggJawn]

23. Puritanical asswipes.

Turnkey probably said "No, you're NOT gonna get any morphine, you fuckin' Druggie! Jeezush! The fucking NERVE of these burnouts! Gotta keep 'em away from our KIDS!"

[belle]

24. Fuck.

:argh:

[Kailassa]

25. And five days later he still had that catheter in place.

After that length of time, it has attached to the surrounding tissue and removing it will do painful damage.

[mcscajun]

26. This is so inhumane as to nearly defy description.

Word fail me, beyond I'm SO embarrassed that it's our government doing what it does best...persecuting people.

[Megahurtz]

27. Wow, I wonder why he was denied asylum?

:wtf: That was the first wrong move.:(

How cruel can things get?

[pushycat]

28. Congress should investigate this and publicly OUT those

who are responsible for this heinous behaviour. These are not Americans who do this - they are foreign monsters, they have to be...

[rodeodance]

29. agree.

[Kailassa]

32. To most of the world these days,

"foreign monster" means American.

[High Plains]

47. Nah, they're called prison guards...

[rodeodance]

30. Canada involved as they did the arrest.

Tuck checked last Friday into a Vancouver hospital for prostate problems and was arrested there by Canadian authorities.

Richard Cowan, a friend, said he was with Tuck at the hospital when authorities arrested him.

"I would not believe it unless I had seen it," Cowan said. "They sent people in to arrest him while he was on a gurney. They took him out of the hospital in handcuffs, put him in an SUV, and drove him to the border."

Tuck was turned over to Whatcom County Jail officials, who called federal marshals. The marshals took him to the King County Jail in Seattle. .......

[William Bloode]

31. I had wondered what happened too Tuck.

He was fearful of something like this happening. He closed his seed breeding buisness down, and disapeared well over a yr ago.

Damn Steve it's a shame we aint at the cafe smokin' hash again bro.

[ninkasi]

33. This is beyond outrageous...

Personally, I think that marijuana should be legal anyway. Aside from that, though, permitting the medical use of marijuana is the humane thing to do. I can't understand our government's short-sighted policy of denying something to treat intense, chronic pain. As far as the addiction angle is concerned, that's a crock of shit.

Somebody like Rush, who was abusing drugs is one thing...and I notice he didn't spend any time in jail, either. Sometimes, after an accident, or surgery, a patient can become addicted to pain meds beyond the time necessary for controlling pain. That's one thing. For somebody who will be in pain the rest of their lives, it's something else completely different. They can never live a pain free life without having to resort to morphine, oxycontin, marijuana, whatever.

As far as addiction...I've never heard of a patient with diabetes being told that they were "addicted" to insulin, and the doctor was going to have to start cutting down on their doses, because after all, we can't have any drug addicts in the country, can we?Same thing for pain control when a life is ending...why should the government worry that giving dying patients massive doses of morphine to ease their pain is making them addicted? They aren't going to live long enough for it to be an issue.

Treating one of our citizens this way, which WAS torture, only reinforces other countries view of our barbaric behavior in other parts of the world. Why should they disbelieve the stories of torture at Abu Ghraib, or Gitmo, if this is the way we treat an Army veteran suffering from extreme pain? This does NOT portray us as a compassionate country.

[Kailassa]

34. It's all about greed.

The big-pharma are also big Repuglican supporters, and they are working on ways to produce extracts from marijuana that they can patent and make fortunes from. So they pressure the government into making marijuana illegal for those who most need it, because real marijuana works better than any extract they can patent.

They want to rob us of our right to use a herb that the Founding Fathers valued highly, so that people will have no alternative but to submit to their blackmail or suffer.

To anyone who realises who has been behind the long-standing libel of natural remedies, and why, this is neither surprising nor new,

[KittyWampus]

37. They want to rob us of our right to use a herb that the Founding Fathers v

"They want to rob us of our right to use a herb that the Founding Fathers valued highly"

Again, why the heck are you conflating hemp with marijuana? Two different, though botanically closely related, plants that can't be grown near one another and which serve two very distinct purposes.

Hemp production is an issue quite seperate from legalizing marijuana.

[Kailassa]

39. Not so distinct, cryingshame.

The founding fathers used hemp, the word marijuana was unknown to them, as a medicine, as well as a source of fibre.

I don't know what makes you say they cannot be grown together, as the same plant can be used for both. However these days hemp is bred to have low THCs, and marijuana to have high THCs, so you don't want to grow them together and lose their properties by cross-pollination.

George Washington grew it. So did Thomas Jefferson. They both smoked it. George Washington wrote, “Make the most of the hemp seed, sow it everywhere.” Thomas Jefferson wrote in his diaries that he smoked cannabis to relieve his migraine. It was the second most prescribed medicine until the turn of the century. The most prescribed medicine was Hashish. It was given to women for child birth. ... George also wrote, “I missed pulling my male plants by two days, now I must wait another season for my Blossoming hemp.” All the pioneer settlers grew their herbal bush, you know they called it herbal medicine.

http://www.hypervue.com/vuemp3/hooray.html

In 1776, the Declaration of Independence was drafted on hemp paper. Both President George Washington and President Thomas Jefferson were advocates of hemp as a valuable cash crop. Jefferson urged farmers to grow the crop in lieu of tobacco. ...

The 1856 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, in its lengthy entry on hemp, noted that the herb "produces inebriation and delirium of decidedly hilarious character, inducing violent laughter, jumping and dancing."

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/marijuana.jsp

[Nostradamus]

49. They have to persecute the antidote to their lies and violence

Otherwise, the whole shit show will collapse

[tuvor]

41. Recommended. And posting in the Canada forum.

dont want this kind of shit happening at home.

[Kailassa]

42. only 1 more recommendation needed :-)

[Akoto]

43. Gave it the fifth. :)

[Joey Liberal]

44. We are no longer a free country

Even Canada has turned on us. This is sooo fucked up.

[firefox]

45. It is really sad about Steve Tuck

He was an expert in growing cannabis and it was he that gave Health Canada 15,000 seeds of many varieties so that they might start their medical marijuana program. He had just gotten things together and was involved with mining gold outside of Vancouver and was very optimistic about his future.

He used to comment some at CannabisNews.com as Herbdoc 215 and everyone knew his story. He once was in Blunt Brothers in Vancouver sparking his laughing grass when he happened to see the great US drug warrior John Walters of the ONDCP on one of his costly crusades.

Steve Tuck was/is a real national hero. And the drug warriors would not let him escape although nothing is gained by the expense and effort of bringing him back to the US for the purpose of injustice.

It is hard to believe that in the year 2005 that the people in this country are not outraged at the huge fraud of Cannabis Prohibition that is inflicted on them.

Richard Cowan is a past director of NORML that now resides in Vancouver and is probably the most well known critic of the fraud of prohibition that he calls mass murder, as I and others do. He was the public service representative for Steve Tuck's gold mining company and a good friend that knew how great a human being Steve Tuck was. His recent writings at http://www.marijuananews.com/ are all about Steve.

The biggest thing that Cannabis Prohibition teaches us is that the real criminals are in the highest offices of government. And for the people at DU that are ra ra Democrat, your party is corrupted as the Republicans as long as they do not come out and say that prohibition is wrong now and has always been wrong.

This is the thread at Cnews where Steve as Herbdoc 215 tells of the bad news from the Canadian Courts- http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21129.shtml

[shadowlight]

46. I'm so ashamed.

Is this true?
If it is, people will be hearing from me.

[Straight Shooter]

48. So how many of our taxpayer dollars were spent on this arrest and torture?

They wanted to make an example out of him and have ended up making an example of themselves, a very very heinous example.

Yup, I'm soooo proud to be a Murikan. :eyes: