DeLay Asks That Indictments Be Set Aside

[ken_g]

This is scary. Hope it's B.S.

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment>

DeLay's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, alleged in a court motion that Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle unlawfully participated in grand jury deliberations when he went to a second grand jury last week to seek a second indictment against the congressman.

DeGuerin also alleged that Earle "attempted to browbeat and coerce" the second grand jury to change its decision not to indict DeLay so there would be no public record of a rejection

This is the part that worries me...

Two people familiar with the proceedings of the grand jury that "no-billed" DeLay said that Earle tried to persuade the grand jurors that DeLay tacitly approved the scheme and that the prosecutor became angry when they decided against an indictment. The people familiar with the proceeding insisted on anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

[NVMojo]

1. I hope Earle didn't want DeLay so bad he grabbed him with greased hands ..

[buff2]

3. Nah.....

Repukes lie their asses off to get out of a mess they created themselves.I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.

[spanone]

48. Read this Esquire story on Earle from March. I think this man has his man

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2005/050928_mfe_earle_1.html

[leQ]

50. that was a great article! thnx! (eom)

[buff2]

2. I'm not buying that crap

Pure repuke lying BS.

[NMDemDist2]

4. Ding Ding Ding. and of course they asked it to be dismissed. that's the

first thing ANY defense lawyer will do. It's just a part of the dance they do in a courtroom

[goforit]

7. ...And they will dance just like those showmen on Fox News.

[Gman]

55. Don't believe a damn word of it

because there is no way to prove this wrong because of GJ secrecy and they know it! This is an absolute and complete lie.

[Festivito]

5. Prior DU thread link. (without Yahoo link)

DeLay files wrongful prosecution suit against Earle
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1835608

[Hawkeye-X]

6. Denied. Plus, you get a additional 10 years waiting for you for

obstruction of justice.

[karlrschneider]

8. Wait a minute...this part that worries you

Two people familiar with the proceedings of the grand jury that "no-billed" DeLay said that Earle tried to persuade the grand jurors that DeLay tacitly approved the scheme and that the prosecutor became angry when they decided against an indictment. The people familiar with the proceeding insisted on anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.
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This -seems- to say they "no-billed" him (which means no indictment)...is whoever wrote this claiming Earle persuaded them to change it? (Yes, I see it says "tried...) It doesn't make any sense to me. :eyes:

[ken_g]

10. the "no-bill" came from a second GJ.

Apparently he had to go to 3rd to get the 2nd indictments.

[EST]

9. Just part of the game.

What I find distasteful is the performance of a news mouth, today, characterizing it as a bitter personal battle between the two.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. The thing that angers me is that we know that DeLay is guilty of much

worse than campaign finance shenanigans and money laundering, though we know he's guilty of that, for sure. He's guilty of sanctioning sweatshops using slave labor in Saipan. But if this is all we can get him on, so be it. But it's like getting Al Capone on tax evasion... And if he's guilty of all this, we know for sure that he's capable of pretty much anything, and certainly not above lying or doing anything he possibly can to make this go away.:grr:

[jamesinca]

12. DeLay files wrongful prosecution suit against Earle

No link yet, being reported by Ed Schultz via CNN.

On edit: I am seeing that DeLay filled a motion to have the investigation quashed. CNN has nothing says he is filing a wrongful prosecution suit.

[Miss Chybil]

13. ROFLMAO!

Doesn't a defendent have to wait until after a trial finds him innocent before filing for wrongful prosecution?

[ET Awful]

15. I think so.

There actually has to be a prosecution first. There hasn't been one. An indictment is not a prosecution.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. in most states, only AFTER a not guilty verdict at trial.

oh my, this is soooo funny. I suspect that mr. rodent/cockroach demanded that his attorneys do so, despite their best advice, and they complied. I wanna see the releases and agreements he signed with his lawyers BEFORE they took this step.

Of course, Texas law is different from most parts of the country, with only Luey-siana as even stranger. So, ignorance is somewhat bliss.

[damntexdem]

24. This is DeLay. He'd file a wrongful-prosecution law suit ...

after being convicted.

[rexcat]

42. In Ohio...

If you are not guilty it does not matter. The prosecutors are protected and the county prosecutors don't have to pay a time for your legal fees incurred. Nothing like living in a res state.

[ashling]

26. That's the way we did it when I practiced

should be thrown out.

[JohnLocke]

14. LOL. These are the folks that want tort "reform" (nt).

[Lasher]

16. Har de har, good point! (EOM)

[stevedeshazer]

47. No kidding!

This sounds to me like a frivolous lawsuit!

[Vinca]

17. OMG - you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!

:rofl:

[Journeyman]

20. Oh, story lines this whacked "could" be made up. . .

trouble is, publishers would reject them as "too bizarre. . . outside the realm of human probability."

[txaslftist]

19. Oh my does he look desperate.

[Demobrat]

21. Poor Tommy.

Innocent victim of a partisan prosecutor.

Too bad....so sad......

:(

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Hey, give the guy a break. He's just a dumb-shit exterminator

who thinks there's no difference between prosecution and persecution.

Dummy! You are being prosecuted, not persecuted. Persecuted is what you did to Clinton.

[Debi]

23. So, when he's found guilty

Does Earle get to file a defamation of character suit against Delay?

[bluestateguy]

25. What a crybaby

[texastoast]

27. DeLay is being selectively liberal

Just like all the little hypocrites. When their asses are in the fire, they want a little redress of THEIR grievance. When their daughter is found to be gay, they want a little equal rights regardless of sexual orientation. When their old man is suffering from Alzheimers, they want a little stem cell research.

Oh, wahhh, Tom. I doubt you will win. :nopity: Earle wouldn't have come after you if he didn't have the goods, Mr. Sleaze. Sweat it out, hammer man, and we'll soon be sticking a fork in you, bud. :applause:

[HereSince1628]

28. Not surprising, really. DeLay is offensive, why shouldn't his defense be?

[MADem]

29. This is called "throw any old shit up against the wall" time

http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/003676.html

Y'all need to read the link above. It gives us an indication of how desperate he is getting, and predates this latest absurdity.

This latest bit o'nonsense tells us that DeLay in is a PANIC, and desperately trying to divert the issues.

Sorry, Bugboy. You climbed up to heaven, but kicked away your ladder. You have no friends, and people are AVOIDING you. By comparison, Newt was man about town when he fell from grace!

[President Kerry]

54. yup.. setting himself on fire to get rid of the stench.

He's writhing and scrambling for anything that'll stick.. Gawd, I hate him more and more every day. Have a nice ole time in hell Tom!

[kikiek]

30. I wonder if this is what he is talking about....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment;_ylt=Aj8iqHEde1bT_gwEuMYnSvdp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[jamesinca]

38. That may be where this stems from

It sounds plausible. I am still looking for something on the Ed Schultz site and on CNN, not finding anything.

[kikiek]

44. Time for the kingpin to fall. Takes a brave person to take Delay on I give

Earle a lot of credit. You can only imagine the pressure he is under from "outside interests". I heard they are prosecuting the corporations who illegally contributed also. That might be the only way to stop the corporate takeover of our country. Go get em!

[MADem]

59. Earle ain't no kid, I think he can handle this

You get to a point in life when you see where you are, and are at a certain age and stage, and you decide well, I can make a difference, or I can go home and set on the porch.

I think he is an old lion, throwing down, and not backing down...good for Earle!

[kikiek]

61. What would this country be without people like him?

[MADem]

62. China, probably!!!

It's the one thing we have going for ourselves--the Mister Smiths who go to Washington, the ones who stand up for the regular folk...when you see one, you gotta cheer, eh?

[kikiek]

63. Absolutely!

[loudsue]

41. Those grand jury "leakers" are prolly Delay fans, and wouldn't hear

Ronnie Earle's side of it for long.

You notice, in all of this, that the bug man doesn't want to face the actual CHARGES against him, because he knows they're absolutely true. So he & DeGuerlin are going to do their damndest to make sure Delay gets off on a technicality....SOMEWHERE!! They'll be shopping technicalities until they find a right wing judge who will rule in their favor.

:kick::kick::kick:

[kikiek]

43. I suspect they have quite a paper trail against him. He will try anything

to stop the prosecution because he is going down if it goes through.

[LawDem]

31. I bet it's not true

All of the points above are valid, plus most states recognize virtually absolute immunity for public prosecutors. I doubt the story is true, but if it is it was a moronic thing for DeLay to do.

[davidinalameda]

32. I needed a good laugh on a long afternoon

and you just provided it

Tom DeLay is such a moran

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

33. Mister Wizard.

Apparently not the brightest bulb in the pack after all.

Wot a maroon! :rofl:

[benburch]

34. Part of the "Swiftboating" plan!

Pay it no mind.

[NYC Liberal]

35. LOL! There hasn't even been a prosecution yet!

:rofl:

[Cooley Hurd]

36. Desperation has a most foul odor...

...and DeLay's office must STINK to HIGH HEAVEN! :D

[Bluerthanblue]

37. isn't his the party against frivolous litigation?

oh, yeah, it's also the haven of hypocrites.-

[NVMojo]

39. What an asshat! Repugs are ruled by hate and revenge ...

[MidwestTransplant]

40. BFD. All grandstanding.

[Lexingtonian]

45. I wish Texas had a SLAPP-type law.

Then DeLay would get a few extra years for this crap.

But I suppose it's really a sign that he sees he stands to lose everything in high probability anyway, a contempt of court ruling or whatever he gets if this slamming the roulette table fails is probably small compared to what he gets when all the Abramoff and TRMPAC stuff (and whatever else pops up) hits the fan.

Earle is going to have to fight to take this guy's scalp. No surprise there. But the day he does it's gonna be worth it.

[Festivito]

46. More and Yahoo link on new thread. DU-LINK.

DeLay Asks That Indictments Be Set Aside
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1835721&mesg_id=1835721

[stepnw1f]

49. Nice Try (nt)

[MellowOne]

51. yawwwwn

:nopity:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

52. But he's Boss DeLay

You can't indict da boss.

:sarcasm:

[jaysunb]

53. The Rule of Law , Tom. Isn't that what you told Clinton ?

Come on, buck up boy. Take your medicine like a man....you fucking wimp !

[YDogg]

56. Dems Ask That 2000 & 2004 Elections Be Set Aside

See how stupid that sounds, Bugman? I mean what the hell?

[Roland99]

57. NY Times Article: DeLay Team Asks Court to Dismiss Indictments

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/08/politics/08delay.html

WASHINGTON, Oct. 7 - Defense lawyers for Representative Tom DeLay asked a court to dismiss the indictments against him on Friday, claiming that the prosecutor in the Texas case had taken "extraordinarily irregular" steps in trying to bring charges against the former House majority leader.

The two-page motion, filed just before the close of business in district court in Travis County, asserted that Ronnie Earle, the district attorney, had "attempted to browbeat and coerce" jurors into bringing a second indictment against Mr. DeLay after the validity of an earlier indictment was called into question. The motion accused him of prosecutorial misconduct.

"It's one of those things that really needs to be seriously investigated," said Bill White, an Austin lawyer who is participating in Mr. DeLay's defense. "In all fairness, it doesn't sound good, but let's air it out, let's see how serious it is and what's really there. It's certainly confusing."

[ailsagirl]

58. I can appreciate how terribly inconvenient those indictments

are for Delay. Poor baby.

:nopity:

Have the chickens come home to roost yet???

[RSchewe]

60. Haha, you only wish Hot Tub Tom... n/t

[politianskissit]

64. Here's everyone's favorite Tom...

He looks drunk doesn't he?