Bush slammed over 'God's war' on Iraq

[sabra]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5044319.html

Bush slammed over 'God's war' on Iraq

AMERICAN President George Bush was under fire today for allegedly claiming God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

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The claims brought an immediate angry reaction from a British Labour-affiliated Christian group - but the allegations were dismissed as "absurd" by the White House.

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But Andrew Blackstock, director of the Christian Socialist Movement, said: "History is littered with examples of people doing the most bizarre and sometimes wicked things on this (religious) basis.
"It is a line of argument that can be used to justify anything without ever being verifiable.

"If Bush really wants to obey God during his time as president he should start with what is blindingly obvious from the Bible rather than perceived supernatural messages. That would lead him to the rather less glamorous business of prioritising the needs of the poor, the downtrodden and the marginalised in his own country and abroad.
"When we see more policies reflecting that, it might be easier to believe he has God on his side. And more likely that God might speak to him."

[kostya]

1. kick n/t

:kick:

[jackthesprat]

2. "absurd"?

What liars say when they know they've been caught. Bush has sad quite similar things in public to the American audience, so it is not "absurd."

[Festivito]

13. "He's never made such comments," from Scotty. They're fighting it.

The actual timing and words are dripping slowly.

I wonder if anyone had a tape recorder during the original statements.

[VegasWolf]

3. Bush had probably been drinking when he said sky people gave him

orders!

:crazy:

[Lilith Velkor]

51. Maybe he was abducted by sky people

and told to destroy the economy and start a world war so the aliens would be greeted as liberators instead of invaders? :tinfoilhat:

[VegasWolf]

63. There you go! But, is * smart enough to execute the plan? nt

[Lilith Velkor]

66. He's doing a heck of a job so far n/t

[AndyTiedye]

4. Kickety Kickety Kick

:kick: :kick: :kick:

Methinks that whatever entity has been talking to ** and claiming to be God is an impostor.

[neweurope]

5. kick

[cliss]

6. Let there be no doubt.

This is the strangest, most twisted, bizarre leadership I have ever witnessed. Idi Amin from Uganda was better than Bush. Why would I say a thing like that? Because Amin didn't have the near-total power that BeelzeBush does.

NEVER in my life could I have imagined this ride in the Haunted House for the past 5 years would turn out like this:smoke:

[Massachusetts]

12. Agreed!

[ninkasi]

25. I also agree...

Not only is the leadership twisted, but I never imagined that my fellow citizens would be so blind to a president's weaknesses. I never thought that people would be willing to surrender so many of their rights, and be swayed by the mumblings of a man who, if he were not protected by wealth and privilege, would be living in a cardboard box under a freeway overpass, scavenging through trash bins for food.

He has used his religious conversion to justify things which would normally have made him unfit to serve in any position of power. I am truly troubled at the grip the Christian fanatics have on government. I am not talking about people of sincere beliefs, like Jimmy Carter, who is a fine man. Nor am I trying to show any disrespect to Christianity as a religion.

He is using what he claims to be his personal beliefs to lead our country down a destructive, frightening path. It's time for the rest of us to take a stand, and stop any more of his delusional policies. This will require our Democratic politicians, and any of the old-fashioned Republicans who still have a shred of humanity left, to oppose him from now on.

[Arianrhod]

55. BeelzeBush! My favorite term for him ever! :) n/t

[BobbyinPortland]

61. BeelzeBush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love it. I'll use it from now on instead of shrub.

Thanks!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

7. Uhhmmmm...

..What about the "Thou Shall Not Kill" part??

[halley]

8. Alice Thru The Looking Glass

n/t

[Arianrhod]

56. As any Fundamentalist who has never studied another language

and has no clue about ancient Hebrew will gladly tell you, the word translated as "kill" in that passage actually means "murder". And since the definition of "murder" is dependent upon human law and societal norms, any court can determine whether or not a Christian is obeying the Commandment--even as s/he puts to death any number of supposed "enemies".

I've heard this argument from distressingly far too many Christians. . . .

[VegasWolf]

9. This God's War is about Oil, the last one was about Spain taking

Mexico's gold. God sure does love his wealth.

[gratuitous]

10. The non-denial denial

Why yes, it would be "absurd" for the president of the United States to say that God had ordered him to murder two countries, no matter how dysfunctional those countries were. But what does that have to do with the actual fact of whether Bush said/believed that very thing?

It's called a non-denial denial, and is used when someone isn't quite sure whether or not there's some indisputable evidence out there that would prove Stupidhead had indeed said the "absurd" thing.

[Nihil]

54. Exactly! The comment that it is "absurd" is not denying he said it!

They are Past Masters at the game of "Emperor's New Clothes" ...

[fshrink]

11. We're talking nuances here.

Whatever your take is on the bible, god or any supernatural beliefs, it needs to stay out of the public hair. This is supposed to be constitutional in this country, although it sure seems that it's not. That some progressive believer group want to mark its difference from the idiot makes sense: he is an embarassment to everybody, except to the 30% of hillbillies that he uses as a stool to reach the shelf of power.

[IntravenousDemilo]

14. Well, yeah...

because goodness knows, we don't want to get stuff in our "public hair". ;)

[swimboy]

18. .

I don't like to see public hair and stool in the same paragraph.

[VegasWolf]

15. Holy Cow!! nt

[Zhade]

16. Here's a Christian who is honest about how religion has caused horrors.

Kudos to the man for having the intellectual honesty to admit that religious fervor have killed many, many people in the past.

The first step to fixing the problem is admitting it exists.

[JackCo]

17. Almighty Dollar

The only God I think Bush worships is the almighty dollar. His policies have nothing to do with real Christianity and I do believe Jesus and God would both be ashamed of all that has been done in their name.

[superconnected]

19. this is written too poorly to take as anything but tabloidism.

Yes I know Bush does believe he's doing Gods work and has said God speaks to him.

But this particular article is using the reasoning that history is littered with people who do this so bush must be doing this. Not good reasoning. Logically it fails.

They should have stuck with the truth and quoted him where he has done this. Since he has.

Edited to add, if you read the british tabloids more frequently when they report american news, and on subject you are not passionate about - ie bush be ousted, you will notice they often intentionally screw up the news. I saw it a lot when katrina was breaking news. They go way out of their way to make america look bad.

We can look bad by honest reporting on our own you know. So i don't know why they bother othen than dishonesty. Liars lie even when they don't have to - such as above when they could have quoted him saying God speaks to him.

And yeah I know, News papers do it here too. it's just there, it's even more blatant - specially when they twist a speech you listen to, or something reported right in US papers that is close to your own home.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. The article gave Bush's exact words

The claims about Mr Bush were made in a BBC programme to be screened next week.

Former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath, now the information minister, described the meeting with Mr Bush.

He said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God.

'God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did. And then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq ... and I did'."

The argument about other leaders having done similar things came from the director of the Christian Socialist Movement, not the paper. And it's that reaction they're reporting - since the orginal claim is over a day old now.

[texpatriot2004]

20. Article posted by Duer in LBN - Scotsman says he did

This article on the subject shows that HE DID INDEED say it.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2051722005

[pinniped]

21. More likely the whiskey bottle told him to invade.

.

[Megahurtz]

23. Words of wisdom from Andrew Blackstock!

:kick:

[goforit]

24. Whoo Hooo...Mr. Blackstock!!!!...DUrs have been screaming this all

the time!!!
Now there is some sort of legitimizing the reality that
God does not talk to Bush!!!

[tuvor]

26. Bush's God controversy stirs press fury

Papers in the Arabic world recoil at remarks attributed to President Bush by a Palestinian official, to the effect that God had told him to invade Iraq.

The White House denied the alleged comments were ever made, and Nabil Shaath, the Palestinian official who said the president had told him he was "driven with a mission from God", later said he never thought that Mr Bush's remarks should be taken literally.

Other papers in the region comment on Mr Bush's assertion, at a speech in Washington, that Islamic radicals were seeking to establish an empire of terror from Spain to Indonesia.

Arab paper editorial samples at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4322228.stm

[Kagemusha]

27. WH will surely simply blame the BBC.

If there is "blame" for making this up it belongs to Mr. Nabil Shaath though.

[Neocondriac]

28. Kind of

...a faith based initiative.

[VegasWolf]

30. Faith Based Murder of innocents! nt

[HereSince1628]

29. Don't worry Hughes will fix it, or not.

One must think any of the surviving career ME diplomats in the State Department are wanting to cut their careers short.

[VegasWolf]

31. Faith Based Shock and Awe!! nt

[FormerOstrich]

32. He has eluded as much many times.....

and the innuendo is worse, along with the creepy worship emails that were getting passed around the fanatics at one time (and probably still are).

I don't know if he really believes it or if it's just a political tool. I'm sure he doesn't mind keeping the "crusades" going for his oily war. Either way, if he said it because he believes or if he says it to keep the fire stroked were still screwed. I tend to believe it's all made up or he'd keep his yap shut...even he has to know the controversial it causes (onward Christian soldiers)

For the whitehouse to deny is just stupid. Too many statements too much alike.

[leftchick]

33. Europe shocked over BBC's revelations( bush's mission from God remark)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1256640.cms

LONDON: An appalled, only marginally amused Britain and much of Europe has reacted with shock to an extraordinary revelation by the BBC, which claims President Bush confessed to senior Palestinian leaders that God told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Late on Friday, the BBC stuck to its original claims, made on video and tape by Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath in the course of an upcoming British TV series to be broadcast from next week, even as the White House dismissed the allegations as "absurd".

Meanwhile, Bush, famously a born-again Christian and infamously pilloried in Europe for likening the so-called war on terror to a latter-day crusade against radical Islamists, was parodied on newspaper frontpages.

The BBC TV series, Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs', contains Shaath's recollections of meeting Bush during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Sharm-al Sheikh summit of June 2003, four months after the Iraqi invasion. Shaath, the Palestinians' senior, seasoned negotiator, recalls "President Bush said to all of us, 'I am driven with a mission from God'.

[NVMojo]

34. the man is an embarassment to this nation ...

[acmavm]

35. And a one-man blight on the planet Earth.

.

[CoffeeCat]

36. It's not just Europe that is shocked...

...we in America are shocked too.

We're also sickened.

We're also fed up.

We're also exhausted.

We're also embarrassed.

We're also worried.

..and we're also hoping that Europe and the rest of the world understands that at least half of the United States believes that this man-clown-ass-monkey-pathological-half-wit-dim-bulbed-screw off DOES NOT SPEAK FOR US!!

[indepat]

40. Yet, idolatrous throngs, in number too large to comprehend, chant: four

more years, four more years.

[fooj]

41. It looks like 70/30 my friend...

Peace.

[CoffeeCat]

43. Hi fooj....

...nice to see you.

Yes, I hear you--are you talking about the Ipsos poll, where only 1/3 of the country believes we are on the "right track."

I love that poll.

[Wilms]

37. snip

snip

"President Bush said to all of us, 'I am driven with a mission from God'.

God would tell me, 'George, go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Shaath added that Bush went on to say, in what was obviously an attempt to reassure Palestinians that the world's only superpower was engaged with their problems, "And now, again, feel God's words coming me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security and get peace in the Middle East'.

snip

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

53. God calls him George?

I'd fall over laughing, but it's just too darn scary.

[melody]

38. Why should they be shocked?

They don't know he's a fruitcake? He took over our country in two illegitimate elections and they're surprised that he's a fundamentalist moron?

This is just another opportunity for the anti-American elements in the European press to indirectly insult Americans. It's as stupid as "freedom fries" and little more than a pissing contest.

I wish some elements beyond the BBC would cover the overthrow of *our* constitutional democracy.

[Arianrhod]

57. The European press is not simply insulting Americans.

By and large, they are accurately reporting the facts of the * administration's war against humanity. It is not "a pissing contest", but a genuine alarm on the part of true Western Civilization--a civilization 50 times older than the USA, and 5 times older than Christianity.

Go talk to some Europeans. The Internet gives you the opportunity. It may open your eyes.

[fooj]

39. Hell. Bob Woodward quotes him in his book as saying that, too.

Haven't we known this for quite some time now?

Peace.

[Robeson]

42. Bush's God is a merciful God......

...he tells Bush to attack a country, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents, and he tells Bush that torture is OK, and to veto any bill which says its not. Yep, Bush's God is a kind and gentle God...

[leftchick]

47. hundreds of thousands of innocents

hundreds of thousands. God is watching too.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

44. So Iraq is God's fault - Bush is never to blame

He is just a pawn, the Messenger, the modern Joan of Arc who hears God's voice and goes to war when it tells him to.

[LibertyorDeath]

45. shocked ! shocked ! shocked !

Well then they haven't been paying enough Fucking attention
shocked !!!

Reality based people all over the planet in their tens of millions
KNOW this born again coke head mama's boy with the fake Texas accent
spoiled petulant attitude and sociopathic smirk is a complete
fucking whackjob and Europe is just now shocked to find out he has
one on ones with the almighty.

Get up to speed already.

What are they going to think of the political advice he gets from
his dog Barney

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,434509,00.jpg

[BonjourUSA]

50. Laughs and sarcasms…

We aren't shocked anymore with any Bush's bullshits for a long time. I didn't see any French people shocked around me, but breaking out in laughter

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. This was the Guardian's Friday front page photo

[leftchick]

49. ...

:puke: :puke: :puke: please let Brits know how so many americans like us are revolted by our UNELECTED leader.

:puke:

[NJCher]

48. he probably thought he'd find a sympathetic audience

Being the mental midget that he is, he probably thought his comments would be well received. I'll bet he even thinks Palestinians think like that.




Cher

[symbolman]

52. Dear Europe

Please come an save us from a fruitcake religious fanatic, and his apostules of Hate.

Signed,

Americans

[MissMarple]

58. He's hearing voices. Oh, joy, what's next?

:eyes:

I wonder if the U.S. press and TV news will pick this up. Maybe Olbermann will.

[politick]

59. Does anyone have

a link to the original quote? I remember hearing abuot it back then, but haven't seen it since...

[Hotep]

60. Any motherfucker claiming to hear voices telling him what to do

is usually placed in the looney bin.

[BobbyinPortland]

62. Now we have confirmation that Shrub thinks Cheney is God!

But we knew it all along.

[hippiegranny]

64. this is beautifully stated:

"If Bush really wants to obey God during his time as president he should start with what is blindingly obvious from the Bible rather than perceived supernatural messages. That would lead him to the rather less glamorous business of prioritising the needs of the poor, the downtrodden and the marginalised in his own country and abroad.

"When we see more policies reflecting that, it might be easier to believe he has God on his side. And more likely that God might speak to him."

Hear! Hear!

[Supersedeas]

65. the poor come last in the Bushist Corporate ethos

[savemefromdumbya]

67. the great oil satan told him

these 'born agains' are rather suspect.