(CBS News) Poll: Bush Ratings Hit New Low (37%)

[deadparrot]

(CBS) This CBS News Poll finds an American public increasingly pessimistic about the economy, the war in Iraq, the overall direction of the country, and the President. Americans' outlook for the economy is the worst it has been in four years. Most expect the price of gas to rise even further in the next few months.

A growing number of Americans want U.S. troops to leave Iraq as soon as possible, rather than stay the course, and the highest percentage ever thinks the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq. When given a set of options for paying for rebuilding the hurricane-racked Gulf Coast, only one — taking money from the Iraq War — gets majority support.

President George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has reached the lowest ever measured in this poll, and evaluations of his handling of Iraq, the economy and even his signature issue, terrorism, are also at all-time lows. More Americans than at any time since he took office think he does not share their priorities.

The public's concerns affect their view of the state of the country. 69 percent of Americans say things in the U.S. are pretty seriously off on the wrong track — the highest number since CBS News started asking the question in 1983. Today, just 26 percent say things are going in the right direction.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/opinion/polls/main924485.shtml

[LittleClarkie]

Do his numbers go down every time he talks?

Just wondering.

[neuvocat]

7. That's my theory too.

Bush has never been popular.

[Lindacooks]

1. WAAAAHHOOOOOOO!!!

Keep dropping like a stone, George!!

[skooooo]

2. wow..

...I thought he'd gotten a "bounce."

:wow:

[wurzel]

8. Sure. A dead cat bounce.

[kestrel91316]

23. Hey, be nice to the dead cats!

[sabra]

3. that's what I am talking about!

[sonias]

4. He's lower that than with me

He's been in negative territory since the theft of the 2000 election.

69% of the country is just catching on. Wish they could have woken up sooner.

Sonia

[MrModerate]

5. I'm curious to see what happens after today's speech.

I read the transcript and it seemed more articulate than one would expect (empty and repetitive, but at least cogent) -- but I didn't see him deliver it. The imagination runs riot.

I've only seen one review of the speech -- from reliably left-hip-centrist Salon -- that called it dismal.

What's everybody else saying -- especially those who don't actually hate the stinking slime dog's guts (i.e., not me, f'rinstance)?

[deadparrot]

13. I think it was pretty divided along party lines.

Predictable, of course.

But considering it was given while most people were at work, and considering that people would have to care enough to watch it, I doubt enough people saw it to give him any real help. People are tired of the war; his groupies are, IMHO, the only ones watching (besies DUers who simply do it for laughs).

[Jack from Charlotte]

66. Also, two things knocked AWOLs Speech off as lead story....

on the TV news. Rove/Grand Jury and NY City Subway Terra.... Heard Brian Williams say that this AM.

From my seeing/hearing news stuff, AWOL/Moron's speech of yesterday should have very little positive effect for his numbers.

[Blaq Dem]

33. Expect to see more terror-grams

Threats from al-qaida are the only thing that can prop oup Bush's ratings. Every once in a while this nation gets a shot of terror from the boogey-man.

[FlaGranny]

47. The words may have

seemed articulate when you read them, but the small part of the speech I saw was just terrible, as usual. He read the words as though he didn't understand what he was saying, with wrong cadence, wrong emphasis, wrong phrasing.

[hang a left]

48. how about the canned applause at the beginning?

It was ridiculous.

[grannylib]

55. It's an embarrassment, isn't it? Even when he has someone writing out

something reasonably coherent (full of lies though it be) he can't even manage to sound intelligent! He sounds like a second-grader, or like someone who is tipsy and by over-e-nun-shi-a-shun, trying to appear sober.
What a fuckwad. What a stupid, lying, sack-of-shit, thieving fuckwad.

[last_texas_dem]

56. Yeah, Bush's presentation

can go quite far in killing a well-written speech. I swear the man cannot say more than three words without pausing. Combine that with the squinting, the smirking, and a good share of verbal screw-ups and that decent speech on paper is a decent speech no longer.

[Raster]

6. Americans of all ages, races, religions and social classes are realizing

WE'VE ALL BEEN HAD!!! bush* and his neocon cabal have been fleecing ALL OF US for the past five years. The negative residual effects of this most disastrous of pResidencies will linger for many many years.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. 69% say that things in the US are seriously off on the wrong track.

That's what's really telling. The vast majority of people now understand that things have got to change.

[Miss Chybil]

10. Wow. nt

[Yavin4]

11. Every Time People Fill Up Their Gas Tanks

Bush's poll numbers drop.

[me b zola]

49. Everytime people talk to their neighbors whose child was killed in Iraq

...bush*s numbers drop.


People are waking up to the fact that they were lied to about *everything*. Anger and resentment are brewing.

[Tight_rope]

70. Ding! Ding! Ding!....We have a win!

I told many people this exact thing when the war first started. Told them that the Iraq war will only end when people stand up to Bushco and say they are tried of their loved ones dying for the lies.:patriot:

[astonamous]

12. Do you t hink that the media is asking tougher questions?

I don't watch a lot of news, but it does seem that lately there has been a little more skepticism in the news. Not a huge change, but a few tougher questions being asked and not so much towing the line.

[slybacon9]

14. You know, I'm starting to think that

Bush isn't a very good president... Anybody agree?








(trying desperately hard to keep straight face)

[Arugula Latte]

72. Now, now. Haven't you heard? God talks to W.

Our is not to question the greatness of this Man of God.










:rofl:

[Rich Hunt]

15. Jesus!

How can a man with a 37% approval rating remain in office?

[tanyev]

25. How'd he win the election in the first place?

I know, that should be "win".

[mom cat]

31. He didn't win it in the first place or the second place

[geniph]

83. Inertia

and a shortage of tumbrils.

[ThoughtCriminal]

16. Look at how "Out of touch" Republicans are?

79% approval. Fortunately, I think fewer people want to be labeled "Republican".

[Tom Joad]

17. Look at how they view Dem vs. Repubs in Congress.

It comes out real close. Don't blame me for this bad news. -- tom


31 percent of Americans now approve of the job Congress is doing, and 57 percent disapprove. Approval of Congress has never been high, but since March it has been especially low, at about a third. And while most Americans view neither the Democrats nor the Republicans positively, Democrats fare slightly better.

Republicans receive more criticism than Democrats when it comes to their ethics. Although a majority of Americans think members of both parties share the honesty and integrity of most people, 37 percent think the Republicans in Congress are less likely to have those qualities, compared to 28 percent who say that about the Democrats. Fewer than one in 10 Americans think members of Congress — of either party — have more honesty than Americans in general.

HONESTY AND INTEGRITY COMPARED TO MOST AMERICANS

Democrats
More
9%
Less
28%
Same
58%

Republicans
More
5%
Less
37%
Same
53%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/opinion/polls/main924485.shtml

[Vox_Reason]

18. If Fitzgerald indicts...

And winter heating bills start to bite at the same time... Look out.

I think there's still a 15% margin here that can be taken.

[jazzjunkysue]

82. First you spread your limbo feet

Then you move to limbo beat
Limbo ankolimboneee,
Bend back like a limbo tree
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock

Limbo lower now
Limbo lower now
How low can you go


Every limbo boy and girl
All around the limbo world
Gonna do the limbo rock
All around the limbo clock
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock

Limbo lower now
Limbo lower now
How low can you go


Don't move that limbo bar
You'll be a limbo star
How low can you go

:dunce:

[geckosfeet]

19. The piece of crap is taking the country down the tubes with him. n/t

[I Have A Dream]

26. I've started to wonder when we'll hit the point of no return.

I have really ambivalent feelings about some of this stuff because I love to see B* and his cabal get their due, but I hate to see this happening to our country. It's so sad to think of the poor children who will have a lesser country because of this regime's disgusting actions.

[Patsy Stone]

20. It is so good to see more people catching on.

How low can it go? I wonder.

[despairing optimist]

21. They ain't seen nothing yet: drive for 3.7% for the Culture of Lifers

as in life without parole, I hope. It's what they want to condemn most of us to, lives without parole or mercy ruled by the law of the jungle. Though the rainforests have shrunk, there's still plenty of room for Bush & Co. Just ask the crocodiles to make room for their family reunion.

[GetTheRightVote]

22. It is about time people in this country see him for who he really is, Yes

:kick:

[LynnTheDem]

24. highest percentage ever thinks the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq.

69 percent of Americans say things in the U.S. are pretty seriously off on the wrong track...just 26 percent say things are going in the right direction.

NO DUH. About bloody time.

[DinahMoeHum]

27. This bears repeating over and over: Worse. Than. Nixon.

:rofl:

and I remember when people DESPISED Richard Nixon.

:evilfrown:

[NYC Liberal]

28. Hey Dubya! Can we have a DAILY "major speech"!?

:evilgrin:

[bluestateguy]

29. That's the worst poll rating for Bush I have ever seen

A low overall approval is one thing--it happens to all presidents--but all of the issue specific questions in the poll are resoundingly bad news for Bush. There aren't even any hopeful signs in there for him at all. I suspect that he lost another point or two with conservatives over the Miers pick.

[IndianaGreen]

30. We must translate those feelings into actual votes at the polls!

We should also redouble our efforts on election reform.

[struggle4progress]

32. Shouldn't the headline read "Bush Approval Soars to 37%"?

That's more in keeping with current interpretative style:

"After a summer of gasoline price increases, President Bush's approval rating is headed back up! 45% of the public now approve of the job he's doing."

"Following some rough post-Katrina days, President Bush's approval ratings are increasing again! 43% of the public now support the President."

"After weeks of revelations that the White House has filled key government positions with a corps of corrupt cronies, President Bush's latest speech appears to halted the recent decline in ratings! Approval of the President's performance is back up to 41%."

"Damaged by speculation that traitors close to the President and Vice-President exposed covert CIA operatives for political gain, George Bush shows signs of successfully reinventing his public image! A recent poll shows that his approval rating has gone back up to 39%."

"Although public suspicions that Harriet Miers' nomination is completely inappropriate seem to have damaged the President's standing yesterday, today's polling shows that the President's courage in pushing Social Security reform continues to win the hearts of an increasing number of Americans! Public approval of Bush has now soared to 37%."

[Art_from_Ark]

42. Will it soon be "soaring" to 0%?

Stay tuned tomorrow-- same bat-time, same bat-channel!

[Geo55]

34. The man is unable to keep the curtain in place

Wait 'til people are freezin' their ass off this winter an' can't afford the OIL bill......the shitstorm is jus' about here.

[Lifelong Protester]

35. this raise in the 'terror alert' in NYC

and having the 'leaked' (I've heard several CNN reporters say that the sources are all over the place on the validity of the threat) source of knowledge be a raid in Iraq... am I the only one cynical enough to wonder if this is all a sham bolstering of W's war in Iraq? Is it a wag the dog type of deal?

[Earth_First]

36. It has been for some time now...

a long time now...

[Lifelong Protester]

37. so do you say you agree with me?

I don't mean to make light of the situation, but I am sure skeptical everytime I hear these types of 'stories'.

[calimary]

73. Olbermann addressed this very question last night. It was GREAT!

He said he and the staff had hunkered down for about an hour, looking up such things as adverse turns of events for the White House and announcements about vague, vaporous, impending terror threats. He said they found THIRTEEN examples of this kind of "coincidence," wink-wink, nudge-nudge, and speculated aloud about whether this could legitimately be coincidence anymore. Along the lines of - gee, isn't it funny that every time something goes awry for the White House, one of these threats is announced - that usually turns out to be bogus. And he posed it as a question to one of his guests later in the program. He kept going back to this and bringing it up again. And several times, in speculating about this fishy-smelling coincidence spree, he repeated how they'd found 13 different examples, and it took 'em all of an hour to even do that. It was INCREDIBLY gratifying to see two and two being put together like that, on the air.


Plus, it was the WAY he kept bringing it up. Olbermann does "wry" and "irony" VERY well in his on-camera delivery and his writing style and word choices. Watch his facial expressions, listen for his vocal inflections, check his posture - the way he tilts his head or leans one way or another - it all telecasts meaning as far as his attitude toward what he's covering or presenting on the air. Check it out sometime by watching the whole show with ALL its subjects, not just the bush-related ones. The WAY he presents a story makes it very clear how he feels about that story. In some cases, he does so deliberately to add emphasis and leaven the meaning, and many of those cases involve poking holes in the facade-du-jour of this White House. And he's getting more blatant about it these days.

It's just GREAT!!!

[blonndee]

40. I think his speech on terra AND the NYC "threat" hurt him, and badly.

I think the sheeple are finally going, STILL with the terrorism? Weren't you supposed to fix this problem?

Their tactics are becoming obvious to more and more, and even to those that buy the spin, it's backfiring on the faux admin.

[Skittles]

46. yup - people are finally start to worrry

and they are probably noticing that all that icompetent piece of shit offers is stupid one-liners in the same old tired, recycled speech.

[BiggJawn]

41. DING! DING! DING! Yas, folks, we have a WINNAH!!!

Bush has a rotten day, so they trot out Tommy Timbertoes' old colour wheel and give it a spin....

But this bunch is so sloppy they'll forget to replace the corn flakes box with a cat in the clip...

[jbnow]

43. Ain't it amazing!

Terror speech, announcing stopped plots in it. Alert comes. From overseas. From raid in Iraq!

oh, bush is a hero, we trust him, they are taking care of us...dudes in Iraq do want to kill us here. Must fight them in Iraq. Or Iran. Must kill them before they kill us.
Or...even here. What if it's here? Must give bush that military power here too.

This isn't wag the dog...it's more like yanking the dragon.

[Nickster]

38. Nixon was at 30% in October of 1973

I keep looking at the Nixon approval ratings to get a gauge of where Dubya is at along the parallel timeline.

[expatriot]

45. I think Nixon's low was 26%. nt

[fujiyama]

80. Wasn't that right before resignation or right at that time?

Even thinking of Bush resigning brings a big smile to my face! :)

[Mabus]

39. How low can he go?

[henslee]

44. I am afraid. If he dips any lower he just wont g ive a fuck and is

capable of anything.

[blonndee]

51. Yeah, maybe. It's really scary. BUT keep in mind that any

"terrorist attack" will now seriously undermine him and his. They've had four fucking years to "right the wrongs" they attribute to Big Dog's lax policy toward terrorism, as they like to characterize it.

Firstly, it's hard for me to believe that Rove et al are stupid enough to stage some "terrorist attack." They have to know how incompetent and useless that would make Bushco look. Rove is a cretin and should burn in hell, but he's not stupid.

Secondly, even if they DO say "fuck it," and the worst-case scenario emerges...well, they really have no idea what will really happen, do they? They're scared, obviously, with all their talk of martial law. But how do they know the NG and the rest of the military will stay on their side? For all the talk of military "brainwashing," there are plenty of so-called "defectors" on this issue (that of bearing arms against fellow citizens). They really can't know whether or for how long they can sustain military domination within the US. And-along those lines, from what I hear, even a substantial number of troops are either questioning or outright pissed off about the whole premise of this war. IMO, this may indicate a reluctance to accept what "authorities" say in the future.

Here's in summary, what one of my oldest friends says about the war(s). He's conservative and wasn't radically so until 9/11, like so many other people. He was deployed to Afghanistan for about a year and then came back for a couple of months and went to Iraq. Here's kind of how his thinking has evolved: So we went to Iraq to find WMDs and liberate Iraq? Ok. But there were no WMDs. And now the Iraqis hate us and are killing us by the dozens. They don't want us here. Oh, and what about Afghanistan? Why aren't we looking for Osama, who * says orchestrated 9/11? And why is the Taliban regaining control of that country? And why are soldiers still getting killed and injured (and underreported, at that) over there?

That's his line of thinking and he's VERY reluctant to "talk bad" about the "president" because he thinks it seems like talking bad about his country.

My point is, they are fucked either way. If they choose the "terra option" they'll take more people down with them, but I personally believe the regime that would follow cannot sustain locally, nationally, or globally. The ONLY way they can recoup is if they suddenly produce OBL. I hope and pray (and I don't pray) that OBL is really dead and that they HAVEN'T been waiting for this day to produce him, kinda like they did Sadaam.

[onehandle]

50. Worst President

Google says so.

Worst President

[goforit]

52. He most certainly earned this number!!!

I certainly hope America wakes up and doesn't march
to his tune any more!!!

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

53. Wow..Isn't this a huge ...MSM Page #1 in all the papers kind of story...

..goes on vacation, numbers go down, comes back, races around the country and makes lots of appearances, numbers go down further.

So what do they do with him now?

[tgnyc]

54. 29% among Independents

[Emillereid]

57. Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!!!

Do I dare believe that the American sheeple are waking up and seeing the sorry naked ass of this emperor wannabe?

[pinniped]

58. Pretty good gas scam they have going on.

I found a receipt from one year ago and it was $1.00 less than what it is now.

[TheDonkey]

59. conservatives are jumping ship. Wish he's #'s were this low in 04

during the election when people weren't in a 9/11 pro war daze.

[donkeyotay]

78. What has happened to This Popular Wartime President????

Was it the lack of WMDs? Faulty intelligence? Lies for war? Poor execution and lack of an exit strategy? Mismanagement of funds? Use of contractors/misuse of service men and women? Torture? Realization that the anti-war movement was right? Realization that people are dying for no good reason? Or was it just that they didn't get the cheap gas Bush promised them? Remember? Bush was going to "make his case for war." That didn't work so we went to mushroom clouds. Then there was the hot weather coming... hurry, hurry. Losing patience. Must invade now. Kick the inspectors out. Urgent. And finally, television told us that is was "too late" to stop it now. Just get the Shock and Awe over with so the price of gas will go down.

People are dying and all this country cares about is gas.

[Demonaut]

60. lol, LOL< LOL I aint laughing with you bush, I'm laughing at YA!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Larkspur]

61. With poll numbers like this, Bush won't be able to pull off a martial law

scam.

Hitler was able to pull off his dictatorship because he was able to appeal to German nationalist pride in the wake of the Germans being continually humiliated by the World War I allies, and Hitler's early military success drove German dissent underground.

Bush is actually a worse manager of PR than Hitler. He squandered 9/11/01 sentiments at home and Katrina is Bush's version of Hitler's "invasion of Russia."

Bush may be itching to declare martial law, especially if there is a flu epidemic, but he won't be able to sustain it. These poll numbers will go lower if Bush declares martial law anywhere in the US.

[gristy]

62. No, that can't be right...

Bush's popularity has rebounded in the past week. They tell me it's at 43% now. That's what they said! THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT! IT CAN'T!!

[beltanefauve]

63. This disturbs me, though

ACCEPTABLE WAYS OF PAYING FOR HURRICANE REBUILDING
Cut spending in Iraq 62%
Reduce highway spending 46%
Increase budget deficit 35%
Raise taxes 31%
Postpone Medicare drug benefits 28%

Why wasn't REPEAL TAX CUTS FOR THE TOP 1% an option???

[Mark E. Smith]

64. Looks like it'll be another Camp David weekend for Georgie

The Secret Service is taking the precaution of putting rubber bumpers on all of the furniture.

[osaMABUSh]

65. What hapened to that "I've been there 7 times" bump?

SNL reference to Bush's POST hurricane trips

"President Bush's job approval rating has fallen to his lowest rating ever. 37 percent now approve of the job he is doing as president, while 58 percent disapprove"

[underpants]

67. Talk about something to scare you!!!!

IT's times like this that bad things seem to happen.

[fjc]

68. Numbers for Dems are even lower

In all this glee, did anyone happen to notice that?

[Tight_rope]

69. 37%?...Damn that's still too high....

This means that 37% of American's are still drinking the spoiled milk. Aren't they sick of the taste yet.:shrug:

[Catfight]

71. I'm sick of his condescending attitude every time he opens his mouth! nt

[savemefromdumbya]

74. cool 37% Mr Torturer!

down but not out yet

[twaddler01]

75. AND it is not just CBS news....

Truely amazing graph...



http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

[Peace Patriot]

76. If you look at the issue polls over the last 2 years, you find the

astonishing information that the great majority of Americans disapprove of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range. The Iraq war. Torture policy. The deficit. Social Security. You name it. Across the board in many polls.

One of the most interesting of these stats regards the Iraq war before the invasion. 58% of Americans opposed the war in Feb. '03. That number dipped only once, in the few weeks of the invasion when U.S. troops were at max risk, then went right back up to nearly 60% where it stayed throughout the election. (It's over 70% today.)

The great majority of Americans never supported this war. Never!

We're not talking sheeple here (stupid, uninformed people). I think what we're looking at is the disempowerment and, above all, DISENFRANCHISEMENT of the great progressive American majority.

Literal disenfranchisement, in my opinion. Bushite corporations gaining control of the vote tabulation with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic voting systems (which the Dem leadership has insanely, corruptly or collusively gone along with).

And that's what we have to change. We have to recover the very mechanism of people power--our vote. We can't do anything about an illegitimate regime appointing Supreme Court justices, or looting us blind, or about the war profiteering corporate news monopolies who support that regime (and who give the rightwing MINORITY a Big Trumpet with which to promulgate their views) until we have restored transparent elections (which I think has to be done state by state, county by county).

(Note: Almost all opinion polls are weighted toward the rightwing, so these amazing numbers are likely even more anti-Bush than they appear. Also, issue polls are a somewhat different matter than polls reflecting approval/disapproval of Bush. This may account for the relatively high Bush approval rating in the early stages of the war--a war that the great majority of Americans disapproved of. People didn't have a choice of leaders in that situation. Bush's approval ratings have actually been mostly dismal, especially leading up to the election--they were so low that Zogby said he couldn't win, and were at an incredible low of 49% on the very day of his inauguration. To me, this is supportive evidence of a stolen election. Combined with the non-transparent, unverifiable election system, and the mountain of evidence of both visible and inferable vote suppression and fiddled numbers, it makes a strong case for illegitimacy of the Bush regime.)

[wryter2000]

77. There it is!

I thought I heard that last night on the news. Wow.

I wonder how low he can go? Some idjits in the country will back him, no matter what. I wonder how many of them there are, really.

[superconnected]

79. My mom recently turned on him.

She started going to a fundy church with her friends a few months ago, so it's nice she turned. She want's everyone out of iraq and so do her old fundy women (I know eww) friends.

[pinkwall]

81. No offense

But duh!

[geniph]

84. So, what do you think will blow up now?

When their poll numbers drop, look for something to suddenly get blown up.

[antonialee839]

85. Excellent!

[Piperay]

86. Wonderful

it's about time!

[progressivepolitics]

87. Bush's poll numbers

It isn't surprising. I am not too sure that it is his speaking abilities or lack thereof, but the fact that he is now pissing off his base. I tend to think it is the fact that he nominated a non-entity to the bench, that and putting Roberts to chief when his base thought that there were more qualified people in Scalia or Thomas.

[Obamarama]

88. If only these assholes would have figured this out 11 MONTHS AGO!!!

NOW they think he's not up to the job? NOW they think we're headed in the wrong direction? He'd fucked us and his country for four years, but it takes 11 additional months for people to see the light, when they had a chance to vote that bastard out into the gutter of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?? OMG, I swear my head is going to explode.

I had better NEVER hear anyone who voted for Bush verbalize that they are now against him. I will quite literally rub their faces in their own fucking ignornace.

[CountAllVotes]

89. real poll #'s will never be known

37% eh? I think it was closer to maybe 25% at best.

:kick: