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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:37 AM
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Bush Drops Opposition To Building Of Barrier
OCTOBER 24, 2003

Bush Drops Opposition To Building Of Barrier


Fence Gains Nod As Road Map Dies

By ORI NIR
FORWARD STAFF
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has abandoned its opposition to Israel's construction of a security fence in the West Bank, easing a major point of tension between Washington and Jerusalem in recent months, according to pro-Israel activists in Washington, Palestinian diplomats and sources close to the Bush administration.

Until this summer, the administration had vocally expressed its opposition to the fence, warning that its construction could hinder America's "road map" peace plan. But with last month's resignation of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, the administration now appears to accept not only the idea of the fence, but also its deep penetration into the West Bank.

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http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.10.24/news1.fence.html

If Tony Blair is Bush's Poodle, then Bush is Sharon's Poodle. "I want Israel to pull out immediately, and that means immediately." That was two years ago.

Recently, Bush opposed the building of this "separation wall" (really a prison perimeter it seems to me), and now he reverses course.

Why is that?

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:53 AM
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1. of course
can any one come up with some injustice that he WOULDN'T approve of? This is a guy who gets off on death.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:53 AM
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2. Because he doesn't care if the Palestinians are all killed.
Not a priority to him.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:59 AM
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25. Hey, he DOES care!
He'll be pissed if they're NOT.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:03 AM
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3. I don't know what Bush is thinking
BUT I AM FUCKING PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:09 AM
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5. He's thinking people will forget, that they (we) really just love him
Who are all these a**holes asking questions. Don't they know this is the most awesome p5esident since Washington?! He ain't got to answer to the likes of us!!

He will never escape his own cell.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:03 AM
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4. Israel is not a super-innocent, super-justified nation
It is a nation of people made out of the same stuff we are all made out of. Nothing special, no more so than humanity is special.

Mankind created equal and all.

Except of course for the evil ones...
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Il_Coniglietto Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:27 AM
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6. Will they stop calling it a 'fence'?!?!
That thing is huge! There's no way it could be described as a fence. That makes it seem like some rusty, ivy-covered fence that surrounds a baseball field. But I'm sure they didn't word it that way on purpose :eyes:
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 03:51 AM
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10. Looks like a prison wall to me
bantustans, cantons, prison ....

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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:33 AM
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24. Wow
I didn't know that this 'fence' would completely surround Palestine.

This is disgusting. :puke:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:04 AM
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11. It's an apartheid wall.
NT!

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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:10 AM
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12. it certainly promotes and facilitates segregation
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 04:12 AM by eablair3
and that is the definition of apartheid. BUSH SUPPORTS APARTHEID!!

From dictionary.com:

a·part·heid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pärtht, -ht)
n.

1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:57 AM
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7. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 03:47 AM
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8. Modern day digital clocks just go blank when they stop and are never right
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 03:49 AM
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9. shouldn't agreeing with Bush give you pause?
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 04:13 AM by thebigidea
I mean, when has his idea of what's best for America ever actually coincided with what REALLY would be best?

Bush "ain't nothing but shit."

Shame on you for agreeing with him.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:14 AM
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13. "Good fences make good neighbors." * must like Robert Frost
Mending Wall

SOMETHING there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of outdoor game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
He is all pine and I am apple-orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, "Good fences make good neighbors."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down!" I could say "Elves" to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there,
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:16 AM
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17. Except he didn't actually READ the poem...
The farmer quoted is not the poet himself; read this part again:

--Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.


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Sesquipedalian Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:24 AM
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18. can you see this?


Just give me a shot out if you can actually see this thing. It's not a "fence" it's a prison. A fence is built on your property and it has one side.

Can you see this or is it like Robert Anton Wilson's Fnord's? The map won't eat you, I promise!

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:59 AM
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14. I hope the Dem candidates take a stand on this
And I surely hope the stand doesn't agree with Bush!

This "fence" seems really criminal to me. I can't believe * is in favor of it now. Appalling!!!
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 01:58 PM
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26. Me, too. But never in a million years
Dems will do exactly what AIPAC tells them to do. Haven't you noticed how they jump to attention when the Ariel Sharon Show rolls into DC?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:02 PM
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29. you're kidding, right?
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 04:25 PM by Aidoneus
the only thing they'll do is scold Bush whenever he isn't backing Sharon energetically enough. That's happened already..
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:17 PM
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30. WALL
http://www.4blacksheep.com/photos/separation_wall/pages/DSC03087.htm

Sure as hell aint no fence, it's 25 feet high. Google it and you will get better (worse) shots than tnis
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:16 AM
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15. This proves who is really running the Bush administration...
the same people running the Sharon administration.

American taxpayers should be incensed!!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:19 AM
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16. sharon's puppet dances
again. DISGUSTING!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:23 AM
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19. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence.
It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence. It's a wall not a fence.

I can't say it enough.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:26 AM
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20. Let's Put a Barbed-Wire Fence Around the Crawford Pig Farm
And put Pretzelboy under house arrest.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:27 AM
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21. "Mr Sharon, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL"
Oh wait. Wrong President. Wrong country.
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calkooni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 03:48 PM
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28. Dems will also support building the Wall
I agree with oltaire99, Dems will do exactly what AIPAC tells them to do as well

An oppertunity for us to point a finger at Bush, nevertheless ... Can't hear voices of disgust from the Senators and Reps?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:04 AM
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22. And he can't understand why he is viewed as pro-Israel in their
genocidal war.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:21 AM
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23. If nothing else, this wall convinces me we live in Imperial Times
Reminds me of Hadrian's Wall.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 03:04 PM
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27. Mr. Sharon, tear down that wall!! Oops, wrong president, wrong
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 03:06 PM by ignatius
photo-op. We are living in the Twilight zone for sure. Oops, sorry denverbill, I posted w/o reading the rest.

LOL, great minds and all that jazz.
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