Starving North Korea kills 'foreign' babies

[T_i_B]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/23/wkor23.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/10/23/ixportal.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=12010

Pregnant North Korean refugees repatriated after being rounded up in China have their babies forcibly aborted or killed after birth, according to a report that adds more horror to what is known of the Stalinist state's gulags.

Evidence from a number of women who have escaped from the prison camps of the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong-il, reveals a pattern of infanticide, principally due to concern that babies conceived outside the country might not be "ethnically pure".

The report, by the United States Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, a cross-party monitoring group, cites evidence from eight former inmates.

One described how a guard took a baby away from a woman married to a Chinese and put him in a box nearby. A doctor then explained that since the country was short of food, it should not have to feed the children of foreign fathers. When the box was full of babies, it was taken away and buried, she said. It was not clear whether they were alive or dead at the time.

[brainshrub]

1. If you were president of the US, what would you do?

As much as I despise B*$h Co., I don't blame them for having problems w/ N. Korea.
It is one fucked-up nation.

If you were president, what would you do?

[mrbill]

2. tell north korea to stop grinding up babies and using them for food.

got a problems with the dog eating issue too.

but then again being a believer in the soveringty (sp?) of nations would consult advisors before any action.

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. Flood them with stuff

If the US can bomb, and specialforce and rentakurd and sanction for years, for even less money they can just flood them with stuff.

Let food and medicine and Britney and Dell computers and Nikes and fiberoptic cable do it. If the US has to hegemonize, let it be cultural hegemony imposed on a well-fed, informed populace.

[Superfly]

5. Fuck 'em

and pull out of every other foreign nation. I am tired of the US being the police force for the entire planet. We need to start taking care of our own.

[fujiyama]

20. I agree with you...

that NK is one of the creepiest places on earth and kim jong ill is a loony, but this admin. has proven itself to be incompetent when it comes to NK.

Basically we went ahead and attacked another nation, which almost definetely had no WMDs, but here we have a case where a nut either has nukes, or is on the verge of creating them, has starved millions of people to death (responsible for probably as many deaths, if not more than Saddam), has tested missiles threatening allies (Japan and SK), and we then put up some sort of half assed diplomacy, relying on China of all nations, to bring them in.

Meanwhile, they may have missile capability to hit Hawaii, and possibly the west coast of the US.

I don't think they have a clue what they're doing.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

4. Something beeped in my head

Stories about mass killing of babies are the hallmark of fabricated over-the-top propaganda. You'll notice they stopped short of saying they were being eaten, but you see the words "food" and "babies" dancing around in a way that made already one poster here think they were being eaten.

BIG FAT DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT DEFENDING KIM JONG IL'S REGIME. I KNOW HOW EVIL THEY ARE! It's just this story raised the skeptic alarm in me. I am also not saying I'm 100% sure it's false.

[rooboy]

6. Whilst I don't doubt the evil that lurks in the NK regime...

the timing of this story does make me feel like my chain's being yanked again.

[fla nocount]

7. Go for the gusto.

I never bought into the human lampshades and soap stories at the gulags either.

[htuttle]

8. I got the same feeling from the article

For the same reason. After reading a few paragraphs into the story, I was half expecting it to say they were making the babies into matzos.

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. Well, naturally if Israel did it, it would be understandable and US funded

Although there would be some lively debate over whether the CNN cameras should actually show it...

[Cassandra]

12. Well, naturally, only you would bring Israel into this...

and I know you would dearly love to find and show evidence of something like this if you could. Your eagerness to speculate about something you know is not true is really disgusting.

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. I don't know if Israel is doing it, my point is that many things NK does

are decried as atrocities by the US, while writing a check to Israel to do the same thing.

They extend the same courtesy to Uzbekistan, where they boil people, as well as to Jordan and Egypt, whom they pay to torture people while making lofty speeches about brutal Saddam's torture chambers, and since you mention it, Israel is rather proud to be one of the few nations in the world where torture is legal.

Humankind has made little progress over the millennia, one of the greatest changes is that where people used to torture in the public square, they now go behind closed doors.

[kodi]

13. indeed , i thought of the incubator baby death propaganda in kuwait in '91

it is sad when such type stories are fabricated for propaganda purposes, so that when things like this do happen people are inclined to disbelieve it.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

15. And the World War I stories

about the Kaiser's troops eating Belgian babies for breakfast.

[radwriter0555]

16. Kinda like the babies tossed out of incubators lies that fueled the bush

regime lies and horrification of iraq???

Yeah. I picked up on that too.

[ikojo]

22. You are right JCCyC...remember back in 1990 when

Bush the First was gearing up to attack Iraq? The government of Kuwait hired a PR firm to propagandize the American people in order to drum up support for the war...a 12 year old girl spoke before the Senate (I think it was the Senate) and relayed a story of evil Iraqis going into the hospital and killing babies...oh it was graphic...

Only later did it come out that this 12 year old girl who claimed to have seen these crimes was the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat and lived in Washington DC.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Excellent reference material here

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html

In war, some facts less factual

<snip>More recently, in the fall of 1990, members of Congress and the American public were swayed by the tearful testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only as Nayirah.

In the girl's testimony before a congressional caucus, well-documented in MacArthur's book "Second Front" and elsewhere, she described how, as a volunteer in a Kuwait maternity ward, she had seen Iraqi troops storm her hospital, steal the incubators, and leave 312 babies "on the cold floor to die."

Seven US Senators later referred to the story during debate; the motion for war passed by just five votes. In the weeks after Nayirah spoke, President Bush senior invoked the incident five times, saying that such "ghastly atrocities" were like "Hitler revisited."

But just weeks before the US bombing campaign began in January, a few press reports began to raise questions about the validity of the incubator tale.

Later, it was learned that Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Washington and had no connection to the Kuwait hospital.

She had been coached – along with the handful of others who would "corroborate" the story – by senior executives of Hill and Knowlton in Washington, the biggest global PR firm at the time, which had a contract worth more than $10 million with the Kuwaitis to make the case for war.

"We didn't know it wasn't true at the time," Brent Scowcroft, Bush's national security adviser, said of the incubator story in a 1995 interview with the London-based Guardian newspaper. He acknowledged "it was useful in mobilizing public opinion."

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. Fool me once, etc...

* may not know the saying, but I do.

[T_i_B]

17. A useful site

http://www.soonoklee.com.

A website highlighting North Korea's problems by one of the lucky few who have escaped. Plenty of good info to get you lot started here.

[KFC]

18. A Stalinist Paradise

Good to know that these fucking savage freaks have nukes, or will in the near future.

[arcane1]

19. thank god we got rid of that Saddam feller!

now the world is such a rosy place....

:puke:

[FlemingsGhost]

21. Noooo.. not the babies! Oh, the horror!

I'm sorry, but considering the slew of lies and transparent manipulation coming from the U.S. government these days, I am suspect of a report submitted by the "United States Committee for Human Rights in North Korea." It could very well be the truth, for all I know. But that's what you get when you abandon credibility for greed.

Shall we discuss the fact that thousands of U.S. babies die each year because they and their mothers do not have adequate health care?

Nah... let's point our fingers, instead.