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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:01 PM
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Economists Tell Bush US Poised For Strong Growth
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)


A group of economists who met with President George W. Bush Wednesday told the president that the U.S. is poised for a period of strong growth and they credited in part the president's tax policies even though they have generated deficit spending.

"The deficits are having a positive impact" on the economy and the tax cuts are a "key driver" of the recovery, said Martin Feldstein, a professor at Harvard University.

"There was unanimous agreement that the aggressive stimulus policies the president is pursuing is exactly what we need," said Burton Malkiel, a professor at Princeton University.

"If there is any time to have deficits, it is during a recession," he added. " This is the right medicine for the economy."

John Lipsky, the chief economist at JP Morgan Chase, said he expects to see the U.S. economy expand by 4% over the next 12 months. ---

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:05 PM
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1. Several of them were from the firm....
Yessmenn Arrus, a full-service consultancy.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:11 PM
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2. Bush forgot to tell everyone
that he was asleep when they were talking to him
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:14 PM
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3. yes I noticed the same thing
From reading the chicken bones and coffee grounds this morning. What a fucking bunch of losers, geee mr prez them there soup lines just goes to show what good shape we are in. Unemployment always indicates job growth yessirree gosh darn it.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:23 PM
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6. Chicken bones and coffee grounds?
That's no way to predict what the market will do.....I just do what the trees tell me....of course I lost a fortune on Iraqi rose futures (I listened to W on that one)

LOL you post killed me.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:24 PM
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7. Is this some kind of joke?
"The deficits are having a positive impact on the economy"? Talk about spin. Not only does Bush cherry-pick intelligence to suit his purposes, he cherry-picks supply-side economists to endorse his reckless economic policies.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:34 PM
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11. Exactly! He hears what he wants to hear ONLY
All opposing ideas are kept in Free Speech Zones outside his line-of-sight.
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pw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:20 PM
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4. Disgusting
Some of these guys used to have reputations as more or less honest, intelligent people.

Of course the White House's own people have cut back their growth estimates to just over 2%, so go figure...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:51 PM
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16. OMB 2nd year growth (beginning 1/01/04) is 3.7%
but that may be just a "wish"
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:22 PM
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5. If there is any time to have deficits, it is during a recession,"

Are we in a recession? Is that the White House's position?

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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:17 PM
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17. Haha
Good point!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 08:46 AM
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34. So, they see a 5-year recession?
Figures. :eyes:
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:24 PM
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8. How many of these economists
were part of the group of "economic experts" that met with * in Crawford a couple of years back? If it's the same group, then I expect the same result... more unemployment, more "recession" (or is that depression?) and more shrinkage in the economy.

Ah, yes, the incredible invisible turnaround...
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:26 PM
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9. That group of economists also reported that the Kool-Aid tasted great ....
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:32 PM
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10. I hope...
... these guys are right but I have my doubts.

Had they raised the deficit by putting money in the pockets of consumers, or creating public works jobs - I could agree.

Since they did it by giving money to people who don't need it, I'm doubtful.

But hey, I'm no economist :)
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:37 PM
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12. the real war
is on the people. Good bye blue skies.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:38 PM
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13. Note again, please
the justaposition of "Bush" with "poised". That's, as usual, the core of the message. The economy has strictly nothing to do with it. The whole establishment holds by the paint and this paint is the illusion that the country is led by a capable and "poised" individual.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:41 PM
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14. They also said they weren't wearing any underware ...
and had to get home for "Judge Wapnar".
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:44 PM
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15. Did they come to that conclusions by themselves?
Or did they read a report that the Bush admninistration planted, based their conclusions on that falsified report, and then told Bush, based on that report, the economy is going to turn around? Now Bush says, the economy is going to turn around based on these economists and when it doesn't... it will be their fault.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:25 PM
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18. Again this is technicaly correct-Nowhere to go but UP
The bottom you see means that you are "poised for growth".
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Chicagonian Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 03:16 PM
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20. wanna bet?
the bottom? we're nowhere near "the bottom"

watch a documentary about Bombay...or even Mexico City- when New York, Houston and Chicago more closely resemble those places, then you'll know that we're getting closer to "the bottom"...

There's still plenty of freefall left in the economy of The Junta.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:27 PM
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19. Prosperity is just around the corner.
nm
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 03:27 PM
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21. Interesting phenomena
What's interesting is what the author is not telling the reader -- basically that these same economists have been consistently forecasting growth in the 2-4% range for the past 2 years. And they've consistently been WRONG. It's just more "pie in the sky" reporting from our lazy and inept media.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 04:50 PM
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23. Bingo!
That's what a member of the Senate Banking Committee pointed out to Alan Greenspan today: that they keep having to readjust their forecasts...because their forecasts are OFF.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 04:46 PM
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22. "Economists Tell Bush Exactly What He Paid Them To Tell Him"
...anyone surprised???
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:08 PM
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24. Baloney. Over the past 3 years, how many economists have
said that there was going to be a recovery the 2nd half of the year or the recovery is just around the corner. Conditions are not right for a recovery anytime soon. Deficits do not have a good impact on the economy. These guys are professional liars. One of these days (years) JPM will experience a massive derivatives implosion.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:22 PM
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25. sounds phoney
.
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 08:28 AM
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31. You sound like someone ...
who actually knows something about investments!
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:46 PM
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26. excuse me?
How does a tax cut that costs $500,000 per job raise the economy? Would not the $500,000 be better used hiring say 10 teachers?

The stock market is recovering due to Bush's tax cut. We are in effect reinstalling the bubble. The money to do this comes directly out of the bond market. Less money in the bond market means higher interest rates on long term loans, like mortgages. This is one of the reasons that mortgage rate have climbed the last three weeks straight. Much more of that and the housing sector will crumble. Housing has been one of the few things keeping the wheels from totally falling off of the cart.

Maybe if we hired those teachers we could teach a few more people common sense and we would never elect morons like these again.

:kick:
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akitamata Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 08:45 AM
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32. "...we would never elect..."
actually, based on the Bev Harris electronic voting analysis/hypothesis, "we" didn't elect this bunch of lying and mismanaging nationrapists. Bring the troops home America, don't believe the Liars in Chief...it's ALL ABOUT OIL!
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:52 PM
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27. When CBS radio reported this...
...they referred to the economists as "hand-picked."

Why am I not surprised?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:08 AM
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28. I guess this could be seen
as good news. Once again a handpicked group telling the regime what they want to hear instead of the TRUTH. These guys don't get it and are clueless, they are going down in 2004 (provided the electronic voting machines are dealt with).
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ward919 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:10 AM
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29. "poised for a period of strong growth" = we are in the bowels of a recessi
recession and can't get much lower.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:24 AM
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30. Yep US poised for strong growth
Websters Definition

Main Entry: 2poise
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): poised; pois·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to weigh, ponder, from Middle French pois-, stem of peser, from Latin pensare -- more at PENSIVE
Date: 1598
transitive senses
1 a : BALANCE; especially : to hold or carry in equilibrium <carried a water jar poised on her head> b : to hold supported or suspended without motion in a steady position <poised her fork and gave her guest a knowing look -- Louis Bromfield>
2 : to hold or carry (the head) in a particular way
3 : to put into readiness : BRACE
intransitive senses
1 : to become drawn up into readiness
2 : HOVER

So what they are saying is what? Sounds like pretty much nothing at all, to me.

RC

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 08:45 AM
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33. just one question
Mr. pResident, all this may be fine and good but:


WHERE ARE THE JOBS???????????????
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 08:51 AM
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35. Yup! Turning a corner!
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