UCI shuts down doughnut sale, free speech imperiled (College Repugs)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-arellano.php
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You could look at Bush and join Arnold for free. But the doughnuts? The GOP students offered them for sale, based on the buyer’s race and gender: white and Asian males were charged a buck, Hispanic hombres had to fork over 75 cents, while Native American females received the best price–a dime.

Designed to dramatize the unfairness of affirmative-action programs, the gimmick was a fiscal failure–according to UCI College Republican president Bryan Zuetel, the club made only $12. But the booth was rockin’ throughout the warm Thursday afternoon. Passing students began haranguing the six College Republicans running the booth, apparently offended by the spoof. Soon, dean of students Sally Peterson swooped in like a health-department worker on a bad burger joint and ordered the doughnut sale stopped. According to Peterson, the sale violated the University of California student code of conduct prohibiting discrimination.

"If they were giving the donuts away for free and left the sign up with the discriminatory prices as a political point, I wouldn’t have had a problem," Peterson says. "But because they were engaged in an act of selling and were making a profit, that made it different."
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The mock bake sale has become a standard of conservative student activism. The first event took place at the University of New Mexico in February 2002. Other campus Republican clubs across the country soon staged similar pastry protests–at UCLA, Stanford, UC Berkeley, even UCI, which held a spring quarter bake sale earlier this year without incident. Vigorous debate greeted each event. The UCLA incident incensed California Democratic Party chairman Art Torres so much that he demanded an apology from the university’s Republican club. He didn’t get his apology, and the sale continued without administrative harassment.
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Just on CNN, the organization of PAID College Repug organizers seems to be a on the same lines as beer commercials: Get 'em young, you got 'em for life. In googling news articles, I found volumes...

Another:
UM Republicans increase numbers, ASUM influence : http://www.kaimin.org/test2.php?ardate=20031016&id=1983

[LisaM]

1. This has happened at at least two universities.

It happened at Washington last week. It's clearly orchestrated.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

4. I didn't realize how serious this situation is until I caught a blurb on

CNN. The ramifications here are serious and frightening. Couple this with idea of polling pofs for political ideaology to assure as many conservative as liberal profs... And all FUNDED BY THE RNC or like minded orgs.

This is a pretty blatant underhanded continuing grab that can only be attributed to a conspiracy of a magnitude I haven't imagined before. Gotta get more tin foil.

[calimary]

16. So WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DEMOCRATS???????

These folks are planting seeds for the future that are very likely to take root. And WHERE are our guys? Asleep at the wheel AGAIN?????? Just how much ground are they okay with losing before they wise up??????? WHO PICKS THESE FUCKERS, ANYWAY???

Sorry for the language, but seeing things like this really steams me. No wonder we're in the clutches of a conservative takeover. They've been working at this for awhile - and our guys have done NOTHING!!!!!!!!


WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS?????????

[veganwitch]

25. my idea

sell some baked good at the designated price and when they purchase it have some corresponding fact or tidbit. throw in some role playing. for the black male price "arrest" half. for hispanics and chicanos demand that "they speak english". for women's price aske them if they are married, pregnant, or planning to get pregnant or their typing speed.

the white male price gets their cookie unharrassed.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

27. No apology needed. I feel the same way.

What do we do? The only thing I can think of is follow the leader at this pint. Like the Repugs, hire a bunch of insoired "healthy" college age girls to canvas college and university campuses nationwide.

It sucks, but the country can't afford not to.

[Flubadubya]

17. Happened at a Texas school...

just a few weeks ago. I think it was Texas Tech, but not real sure. It was a university in Texas though. Sold cookies instead of donuts, same disgusting scheme. Just shows how little imagination Pukes have.

[Ms. Clio]

24. It was Southern Methodist University in Dallas

Held by the "Young Conservatives of Texas." The same outfit that is trying to put together a "campus watch" organization to harass and intimidate professors.

To be fair, the university did shut down the 2 jackasses running their squalid little sale in less than an hour.

[patdem]

2. Rich White Males should have been given donuts for free..or even paid

to eat them...since they could advertise the goodness amoung their compatriots??? Who may or may not pay for those donuts at a latter date?

[atreides1]

3. I Think That....

...maybe some of these young college Republicans should head to their nearest US military recruiting office. Once they get to basic training
they will find that their is no affirmative action, and it gets better when you get sent to a combat zone.

But from what I've seen personally most young college Republicans don't have the guts to enlist in the military. I don't really think that they would actually serve their country, or be willing to make a sacrifice for it. They love the freedom as long as someone else dies to keep them free. Given a choice the ones that I have met would become collaborators if the same thing was happening here in the US that is happening in Iraq.

This of course is from my own personal contacts.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. The Military Option is for the poor unless you already have a Masters and

want to join for political reasons with the assurance that you will never see combat.

(As I see the Republican thought process)

[saigon68]

28. These young white "crackers" will get eaten by the drill sergeant

Oh my God, they'd also have to sleep with a black man in the same room. What would their mothers say</Sarcasm off>

[juancarlos]

6. Whatever you think of their politics...

It is a pretty funny stunt. Hey, I could have gotten a cheap one!

By the way, am I the only minority Democrat who thinks that affirmative action sucks?

[atreides1]

9. No Affirmative Action Might Suck Too

Affirmative action has its merits if employed the way it was intended to be. Without it Clarence Thomas would not be where he is today, okay that was a bad example.

Affirmative action comes in many forms, such as what was being done by the college in Michigan, then there is the legacy form, which allowed a low achiever like Shrub to go to a top level Ivy League college after being rejected by a Texas public university law school.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. What do YOU think of their politics and why do you think affirmative

action sucks? Specifics please.

[Skittles]

12. their stunt is not funny at all

they are whining about the unfairness to white males? What a freaking joke. How about equal pay? How about not charging women and minorities more for, say, cars? How does their stunt account for those facts????

[mbperrin]

19. Exactly! Their stunt has nothing to do with affirmative action!

Minorities and women are not charged less for anything, but many times, due to redlining by realtors and lenders, and geographic price discrimination, pay more!

This isn't affirmative action. What they are doing is lying.
This isn't affirmative action. What they are doing is lying.
This isn't affirmative action. What they are doing is lying.

Just trying to make sure the crybabies get the point!

[DeaconBlues]

14. I am a white southern male

who thinks that centuries of abuse directed at ethnic and racial minorities suck. Affirmative action, if carried out right, is great for minorities and great for America (just look at the military).

[DrWeird]

18. Is that you Carlos?

Trying to start over again?

[donco6]

7. More Nazi Tactics

This reminds me of the warmups to the Nazi purges of the universities back in the 30's. Except this time they're going after "liberal" professors instead of Jews. Or maybe both, actually.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

8. I can't believe that this trend is being virtually ignored

by so many. Is it the fear of being called traitor? This neocon agenda has the potential to turn our Democracy into a corporate fascist state.

[donco6]

15. I only wonder if it's too late.

Really. What would happen if the Congress was overwhelmed by Republican thugs who kicked the opposition out, physically. Anything? It would be the storming of the Reichstag all over again.

[Character Assassin]

35. I take it you're utterly and completely ignorant of the Nazis

This reminds me of the warmups to the Nazi purges of the universities back in the 30's. Except this time they're going after "liberal" professors instead of Jews. Or maybe both, actually.

I'm sorry, I don't know you, but that's about the stupidest thing I've heard all month.

They hold a goddamn bake sale with freaking donuts and it's tantamount to Nazi university purges?

Are you absolutely sure you don't want to reconsider that particularly choice bit of Chicken Little hyperbole?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

37. Hey. It's not about a bake sale.

It's about a funded and well organized effort by th RNC and other RW factions.

Also, there's no need to be so rude by calling someone's post "the stupidest thing I've heard all month." We are all supposed to be on the same side here and antagonistic comments like that certainly don't come across as being on the same side.

Be nice.

[Character Assassin]

42. I call stupid when I see stupid, thanks.

And comparing the truncated donut sales of campus boogeymen to the Nazis is (c'mon, say it with me....) STUPID.

Are we clear on this?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

47. Gee whiz, I guess we should all stand back and bow to your superior

intellect.

Please, enlighten the poor stupid DU'ers whom you suffer so graciously.

Most certainly your mannerisms are so far advanced that I cannot understand them.

And again, the subject is not donut sales but a larger effort on the part of the Republican party to recruit students on a wholesale basis.

[Kucinich04]

53. Apparently you missed the term WARM-UP

The poster did not say it was the same thing as the purges, he said it reminded it reminded him (or her, sorry) of the WARMUPS to the purges. Are you such an expert on the purges that you can unequivocably state that this sort of innocuous appearing act is laughable compared to the way the purges first started?

Perhaps you can enlighten us as to how the very first vestiges of the purges manifested themselves, so we can all laugh at the poster together for his/her stupidity? That would be fun...

[Ms. Clio]

41. talk about dumb ass posts

Since some of the same people holding these bake sales are also attempting to start a Daniel Pipes-esque "Professor Watch" to surveill and intimidate UT professors as detailed here: http://www.dailytexanonline.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=530117. So maybe these aren't Nazi university purges. Yet. They are still part of larger social and political trends that people rightfully find disturbing.

[Character Assassin]

43. Yes, you're right.

If you're talking about dumb-ass posts, your's is right up there with the one I was criticizing.

Congratulations on mistaking possible factors in Information Age macrotrends with...

Unwarranted Chicken Little bullshit. Christ, people, let's all try to remeber what critical thinking is, hmmmmm?

[Ms. Clio]

44. spare me your own hyperbole

You sound suspiciously like Chicken Little yourself.

[Name removed]

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[Ms. Clio]

48. yeah forgive me for worrying about attempts to fuck with academic freedom

Since I hope to finish that PhD in a couple of years. Or did you even bother to read the article about the UT Professor Watch organization? And do you know anything about Campus Watch? Or do you even know about the governor of Colorado's demand for more "conservative" professors?

Par for the course for uninformed fools, but I do try and make an effort, hmmm?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

49. Don't worry about him, virtually all his posts tonight in GD & LBN

He seems to be more concerned with hostility and demeaning others rather than civil conversation.

He's probably had a bad day.

[Ms. Clio]

50. okay, maybe that explains it

Thanks :)

[Skittles]

11. how about the fact that WHITE MEN MAKE MORE MONEY

how does that factor into their disgusting "bake sale"???????????????

[Robb]

13. Shouldn't it be "emperiled"...?

Like insure and ensure? Help me out, pedantics majors... ;)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

29. I Don't have an OED, but my Webster's doesn't have "emperiled."

[Aristus]

20. If they are going to do the bake sale,

they need to do it accurately.

Whites get a break on the price.

Blacks are banned from the sales counter. If blacks approach the sales counter, they will be assaulted with fire hoses and attack dogs. If they persist in their 'uppity' insistence on being served, they will be dragged from their homes in the middle of the night, whipped bloody and then hanged.

Mexican-Americans are in the kitchen, baking the goodies under unsafe conditions, contemptuous employers, and earning 7 cents an hour.

Native Americans had their homes on the site where the kitchen and sales counter now stand. They were shoved off the land by the whites and murdered if they protested. The whites then built the kitchen and sales counter.

Actually, Chinese and Irish-Americans did the building, under miserable, dangerous conditions, poor food, worse pay, and a shallow grave if they died of overwork.

Jewish-Americans were allowed to approach the counter until their big noses and funny accents gave them away, after which they were coldly and rudely refused service. The Jewish-Americans then built their own kitchen and bake sale store, which was promptly vandalized, and then burned to the ground by the white owners of the original bake-sale counter.

Arab-Americans approached the sales counter, looking for some goodies, when they were immediately arrested by forces of John Ashcroft's Ministry of Reich Security. If they were Ay-Rabbs, hanging out at a white establishment, they could only be planning a 'terrist' attack. They were thrown into the concentration camp at Gitmo, and held without charge or advise of counsel.

There. I guess that's the bake-sale the College Repukes really want. It's historically accurate, after all.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

33. Owwwww! OucH! Truth hurts!

[mbperrin]

46. YES! This is the DAMN truth!

See, this is accurate!

Not the lie they're trying to push.

[delete_bush]

21. Why give them the publicity?

Look, they had a total of $12 in income. Hopefully they're not business majors.

There were 150 other student organizations with booths. It makes more sense to counter their bullshit with a booth offering real information about affirmative action.

Let the sun shine on these young repukes and let them bask in their ignorance. This is a college environment, let them work it out. The publicity has the effect of making them even more hard core in their beliefs. I'll bet after being confronted by their peers a few might even see the light.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

30. These kids have the backing of several RW organisations as well

as the RNC and RW talk and news shows.

It's not the stupidity of their analogy that bothers me. It's the fact that they are organised on a national level with funding.

Dems are leaving it up to the individual and waiting for maturity and experience to lead the way to Democratic organizations. If we don't pay attention to this, we're going to go the way of the Do-Do bird.

[delete_bush]

34. Seems much ado about not much...

It's 1 booth out of 150 for one afternoon on several assorted campuses. Of 15 million or so college students, how many non-predisposed minds are swayed by this silly display?

If a stupid bake sale is all it takes for Do-Do-dom then learn to fly 'cause it's already too late. Let the fundors waste their money on this, less to spend elsewhere.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

36. In doing a bit of googeling on "college Repbublicans" I am want

to consider that the group is far more than Bake Sales.

They are attacking campuses like the fundies are. While they aren't getting massive turnouts, they are planting seeds. Personally, I don't think that it's "much ado about nothing."

[tom_paine]

22. Bush Jugend

Get the Brownshirts early. Erase their critical thought capacities with Goebbels v2.0.

Tell them to behave like Nazis or Soviets. They will do so without question nor remorse.

Of course, that particular other shoe has yet to drop.

History says that it will, though.

[arwalden]

23. Clearly Native American Females Have HISTORICALLY

been treated unfairly in donut shops nationwide. So this just makes sense that they should be given a better price.

These clowns just don't get it. Do they? It's all about themselves. Self righteous and sanctimonious bastards! Stealth-bigots.

-- Allen

[hannah]

26. What should we do?

Organize, Unionize, Join , Participate
Yell , Stand your ground. They don't get it, we do.
:hippie: :hippie:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

31. You're right! I remember Billy Jack.... Or was that an ice cream shop?

[Lilith Velkor]

32. Very interesting

I remember a time (the late 80s) when feminist groups did the exact same thing to call attention to the disparity in wages.

And the ones who had no sense of humor about it, even going so far as to make comparisons to Nazis, were...wait for it...Repukes.

Now, don't get me wrong. I have no sympathy for these assholes. They are apparently trying to spin our old tactic into a defense of white male privilege, which makes it doubly contepmtible (sp?). However,
*they are not oppressing anybody by doing this*.

And if we harass and intimidate them for it, we're no better than they are.

So, having just defended the wingnuts' freedom of speech, I will now take a shower. Ta!

[jbm]

38. The Dems...

should set up a table with a 'whites only' aisle that's clear of obstructions and nicely decorated,while other groups can only approach the counter if they navigate through various obstacles..I'm thinking barbed wire and stuff like that.

[BattyDem]

39. Typical ...

When "Conservatives" or "Young Republicans" decide to exercise their right to free speech, they always use that right promote hate, bigotry and the rolling back of civil rights. :mad:

[Nottingham]

40. Our colleges are getting infiltrated with Corruption

:bounce: What happens when everybody acknowledges we are ONE PARTY

[diamond14]

55. why aren't students STANDING UP to this crap....why???

college students themselves are perfectly able to STAND UP to this garbage from racists and bigots...by the time you are 18 years old, you are old enought to be drafted and KILLED for your country....at 18 years old, you are an adult and should act as such.....

today's college students seem to be waiting for someone else to do something...rather than STAND UP and do it themselves...

[WhereIsMyFreedom]

51. I was always a bit confused by these bake sales

If I were going to hold one of my own, I'd give it a similar price structure to illustrate that the white males are priviliged in society and can therefore afford to pay more. The first time I heard about one of these, that was my take on it. How do we know that the real intention isn't to call attention to the class disparity between ethnic groups...by the Campus Republicans. Oh I see, stupid question.

[R Hickey]

52. Cough on their cookies.

I wonder if having a coughing fit and perhaps hacking up a lugie that hits their cookey plate would affect anything. Then make a loud apology and do it again.

[diamond14]

56. sweet!!! I like the apology too...nt

when I was young...NOBODY would even think of putting up such a display of ignorance and racism....not that racism didn't and still does exist, but just that it takes real arrogance to put yourself in peril displaying such racism...even the KKK hide under sheets...

thanks for your BRILLIANT idea...and if today's young students STOOD UP to this crap, and put their minds to creative solutions, then I am certain this could be stopped immediately....the current tolerance for this on our college campuses is very disturbing...us older people cannot help young people, because they must STAND UP and do it themselves....(if that happened at the University of Michigan in 1969, the whole cookie booth would likely go down in flames quick, just like the ROTC building did....young students in those days had no tolerance for this, and FOUGHT to make U of M the proud leader of diversity that it is today...)

[Vogon_Glory]

54. More Successful GOP Outreach

With stunts like the SMU bake sale by the Young Conservatives of Texas and the College Republicans'donut incident at UCI, the gradient for uphill battle for the GOP to expand their voter base from white suburbanites to other parts of the electorate has just gone from twelve percent to at least thirty three.

As a Democratic partisan, all I can say is "Keep up the good work, guys, you're going another Pete Wilson." <g>

[spotbird]

57. How about this,

If you are white and from a good educational background you get one donut for the price of one. If you father attended the school you get two donuts for the price of one. If you attended a prep school and your parent is an alum you get three donuts and a coffee. If you are good at football you can have as many donuts as you want at no charge.

Now if you are African-American and received your primary education at public school don’t even walk up to the table there are no donuts for you. If you are African-American and were fortunate enough to get a good education, you may have your two-for-one donuts under the same system that allowed the legacy kid to get his two-for-one, the difference is it is fair for him to get the extra donut, but not for you, you didn’t “earn it.”