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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:16 PM
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Iraqis blame U.S. and Britain over London bombings
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - People in Baghdad, enduring yet another day of bloodshed of their own, condemned last week's London bombings but said U.S. and British policy was to blame.

"I don't justify the attacks in London. But I believe it's a reaction against U.S.-British policy towards our countries in the Third World," said Mawel Ahmed, 38, a computer salesman, as he made his way to work in the capital on Sunday.

"This is all the work of the Freemasons who stand in the face of Islam and stop it through their agents Osama bin Laden and Zarqawi, who claim to speak in the name of Islam."

Many Iraqis have not forgiven the United States and Britain for pressing the United Nations to keep sanctions on Iraq for 12 years, and some say the London blasts were proof that tough economic penalties and the war that followed had backfired.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-07-10T164541Z_01_MOL060135_RTRUKOC_0_SECURITY-BRITAIN-IRAQ.xml
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:18 PM
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:19 PM
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2. Freemasons? That's code, isn't it?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:22 PM
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3. Actually, Sir
That is not an uncommon trope in jihadist literature: "Freemasons" stand for the ultimate in "kafir", or aggressive un-believe and oppositio to Islam. They have, by and large, no better an understanding of our culture and society than we do of their's....
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:29 PM
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7. That is precisely what I meant.
I would say there's a strong anti-semitic undertone to it as well.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:51 PM
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15. No, it does mean Freemasons
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 01:57 PM by Frederik
Linking Freemasonry and al-Qaida shows that he knows a bit of history. Al-Qaida is an extreme offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimoon, a secret society which was formed in 1928 by Egyptian Freemason Hasan al-Banna. The organization was initially supported by British freemasons monetarily and otherwise, while British intelligence cultivated ties to the Ikhwaan through its agent Freya Stark. The Suez Canal Company helped provide funds for the first Ikhwaan mosque. The society was organized much like Masonic fraternities, with lodges and university fraternities (9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta belonged to a Muslim Brotherhood fraternity in Cairo, and his father is also a member of the illegal society), and it has been called "Masonry for Muslims".

Al-Banna was assassinated by the Egyptian government in 1949. By that time they had also become estranged from the British, their paramilitary wing bombed British installations in the 1940s. Nasser banned the Muslim Brotherhood in 1954 and during the following two decades it would undergo a process of radicalization and eventual militarization, which would culminate in 1981 with the assassination of president Sadat by a militant offshoot, al-Jihad al-Islami, led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who would later become Bin Laden's "Cheney". Another Ikhwaan splinter group was led by Sheikh Omar Abdei Rahman, curently serving a life sentence in the US for his involvement in the WTC '93 bombing.

Freemasonry was brought to Egypt by Napoleon and the French general Kleber, who established the Lodge of Isis in Egypt in 1798. Many important Egyptians were masons in the 19th and early 20th centuries, as were the British rulers and aristocrats who occupied the country from 1882. The Egyptian monarchs were all made Honorary Grand Masters at the start of their regimes.

Al-Afghani, the founder of the Pan-Islamism and Salafiyya movements, the tradition Bin Laden and his like belong to, was a Freemason. His friend Mohammed Abduh was made Grand Mufti of Egypt in 1899 and at the same time Grand Master of the United Lodge of Egypt. He was the tutor of the father of Hasan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Robert Dreyfuss wrote the following in 1980:
"The real Muslim Brotherhood is not the fanatical sheikh with his equally fanatical following, nor is it even the top mullahs and ayatollahs who lead entire movements of such madmen; Khomeini, Qaddafi, General Zia are exquisitely fashioned puppets.
The real Muslim Brothers are those whose hands are never dirtied with the business of killing and burning. They are the secretive bankers and financiers who stand behind the curtain, the members of the old Arab, Turkish, or Persian families whose geneology places them in the oligarchical elite, with smooth business and intelligence associations to the European black nobility and, especially, to the British oligarchy.
And the Muslim Brotherhood is money. Together, the Brotherhood probably controls several tens of billions of dollars in immediate liquid assets, and controls billions more in day-to-day business operations in everything from oil trade and banking to drug-running, illegal arms merchandising, and gold and diamond smuggling. By allying with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Anglo-Americans are not merely buying into a terrorists-for-hire racket; they are partners in a powerful and worldwide financial empire that extends from numbered Swiss bank accounts to offshore havens in Dubai, Kuwait and Hong Kong."

The ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and all its various offshoots, based on an aristocratic-feudalistic-nostalgic vision of Muslim society, is diametrically opposed to that of the secular, nationalistic pan-Arabism espoused by Nasser and the Baath parties. "Freemasons" used as a derogatory term by followers of the latter is probably a reflection of this.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:57 PM
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16. I thought it might be code for "Jews"
There are a lot of code words. It's reassuring to be put right.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:19 PM
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17. Thanks for sharing this. It's very enlightening. nt
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:44 AM
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21. Good bit of knowledge
thank you sir!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:50 AM
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23. Very interesting
I'd like to pass it around, and it would be really great if there were some URLs where people could learn more.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:51 PM
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11. I disagree, partially . .
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"They have, by and large, no better an understanding of our culture and society than we do of their's...."

YOU are quite correct that the West does not understand the East.

However, I think the East understands the West very well, Capitalist greed and all it's evils. Heck - even a lot of North Americans are starting to wake up to the evils of Kapitalism , and the shortcomings of "Democracy" - Our democracy says majority rule - so if the majority are stupid and warlike . . . . :shrug:

Attacking defenseless Iraq was the ultimate USA boo-boo - Even many of the USA's allies now shun the US as a result of their illegal war, and the genocide that will result in their overabundant deposits of Depleted Uranium in the Middle East.

Bush's attack on Iraq has convinced the East of the evil of the West, and I for one do not blame them -

I'm sad to say that I have no pride or comfort knowing that the USA is our next door neighbor, and our biggest trading partner - but the trade thing is changing - Canada is successfully wooing other countries to buy our products, as we are no longer confident or comfortable relying on the US to trade fairly with us - many issues have and are still now before the WTO, and even when the WTO sides with Canada, the US ignores it's decisions.

The East has been around for millenniums, the West a few short centuries, and wrought with conflict the world over. Ever since the US found itself to be a "superpower" after WW2 it has interfered in over a hundred countries internal affairs, and still has it's troops in over 100 countries - hmmm, eh?

The East has been watching, now the West is right in it's face - you bet there will be more terrorist acts as long as the US plays the bully

And the US will eventually be in the History books with those infamous nations that history labels "The rise and the Fall of ________"

And well deserved.

:nopity:




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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:10 PM
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24. Well, the guy seems pretty cognizant of reality to me.
If OBL & Zarqawi did not exist (and who really knows if either still do, BTW), other Emmanuel Goldstein stand-ins would have to be invented.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:45 PM
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10. probably why they choose to print it
i'm sure there were plenty of other quotes to choose from - if they venture outside the 'green-zone'.

Iraqis ain't the only ones who blame our OPPRESSION & WARS in the ME for the VIOLENCE on our own shores.

You'd have to be mighty IGNORANT if you didn't see the connection.

peace
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:51 PM
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12. I don't see quite what you're getting at.
Of course our aggression in the Middle East has made us a target.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:58 PM
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13. you get it
"Of course our aggression in the Middle East has made us a target."

also, the Iraqis ain't the only ones who GET IT.

:hi:

peace
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:22 PM
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4. Bunch of bunk

The thing driving the terrorists is the same thing that drives soccer riots, gang warfare, and racial conflicts.

It's the idea that one's self-worth and success is tied to that of the group. An injury to the member of the group is taken as an attack on all members of the group. The only thing that matters is the success of the group. It has nothing to do with who individually is right or who is wrong.




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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:27 PM
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6. You ARE talking about the republican party, aren't you?
What you have described is the republican party to a tee...an attack on Tom DeLay..no matter how corrupt he is is seen as an attack on the reight wing of the republican party..
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:35 PM
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9. I'm talking about nearly everyone

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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:57 PM
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19. Nearly everyone does not include Democrats..see the response to Dean
if he criticizes some repupublican that deserves and the milquetoast are all over him...not the same!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:23 PM
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5. Some may be on to something:
"Many Iraqis, even those glad to be rid of Saddam Hussein, blame the United States for the violence and some harbour suspicions that instability and potential sectarian warfare in Iraq are in fact policy goals for Washington and its allies."

In order to own the countries oil.

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justice4all_1 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:29 PM
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8. "Freemasons"?

Huh?

"This is all the work of the Freemasons who stand in the face of Islam and stop it through their agents Osama bin Laden and Zarqawi, who claim to speak in the name of Islam."
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:25 PM
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18. See my post #15 above n/t
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:49 PM
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14. Stonecutters rule the world!
Who keeps the metric system down?
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brianct Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:21 AM
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20. London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Att
London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 9 2005

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

Click here for a clip of this dialogue. Click here for a longer clip where the comments can be heard in their full context.

The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings is light years beyond a coincidence. Power said the drill focused around 'simultaneous bombings'. At first the bombings were thought to have been spread over an hour, but the BBC reports just today that the bombings were in fact simultaneous.



Mr. Power (pictured above) and Visor Consultants need not have been 'in on the bombing' or anything of that nature for this to be of importance. The British government or one of their private company offshoots could have hired Visor to run the exercise for a number of purposes.

We are not suggesting that Mr. Power had any knowledge of the real purpose of the exercise, and the open shock he exclaims in relating the story underlines this.

The exercise fulfils several different goals. It acts as a cover for the small compartamentalized government terrorists to carry out their operation without the larger security services becoming aware of what they're doing, and, more importantly, if they get caught during the attack or after with any incriminating evidence they can just claim that they were just taking part in the exercise.

This is precisely what happened on the morning of 9/11/2001. The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.

It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.

The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked.

The Anglo-American establishment that controls the military-industrial complex of the West has been caught over a hundred times carrying out bombings and other terrorist attacks around the world to further their corporate aims and to blame their enemies.

The US government has been caught planning to carry out attacks and carrying out attacks. The British government has been caught red-handed as well. Members of Vladimir Putin's FSB were caught planting bombs in a Russian apartment building in 1999 by the Moscow police.

This is not speculation. Kermit Roosevelt admited on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Iran's President, Mossadegh. Do you understand, these people brag about what they do 40 years later?

The London bombings have the same signature as the Madrild bombings of 3/11. Both of these bombings are almost indistinguishable from the Bolognia bombing in 1980 that killed over 80 people.



The bombing in Bolognia was part of a CIA operation code named Gladio, where the US government would pay right-wing terrorists to carry out bombings to be blamed on leftists in Europe. All of this was blown wide open when two of the Bolognia bombers were convited in an Italian court, forcing them to spill their guts admitting that they were neo-fascists contracted by the CIA. Operation Gladio documents have since been declassified.

The London terror alert level was lowered before the bombings took place. This gave the purpotrators extra cover to plan and execute the attack without having to evade the most stringent security.

In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. Click here for an archive of this evidence.

The wider agenda will become clearer when Blair firmly points the finger at the selected patsies designated to take the fall. But for the moment he's happy to grandstand as the courageous leader who immedately returned to London to take control of the chaos.

BBC polls that were showing 80 per cent plus opposed the ID card will now likely flip back in the opposite direction. Support for the European Union and increased globalization through the G8 will rise. Who stands to gain from all this? Who has the motive?

From Putin blowing up his own apartment buildings to Israel being behind Hamas, the evidence is consistently clear that large scale terrorism is always state sponsored.

The Madrid train bombing is another example. The bombers were found to be police informants with close links to the Spanish security services. They had access to the most secure areas of the Madrid train system. The Spanish government initially tried to blaim the Basque group ETA for the blast in the hope that the people would rally behind the government and get them re-elected. After ETA denied involvement and the people started saying the government was involved, the Spanish government had to blame Al-Qaeda and kill some patsies by claiming they blew themselves up during a raid.

The London Underground exercises were used as the fallback cover to carry out the attack. This is the biggest smoking gun yet pointing directly to the most secretive levels of the British establishment itself being behind the attack.

More on this story as and when it develops.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:47 AM
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22. That man speaks a fair bit of sense n/t
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