Cheney under pressure to quit over false war evidence

[tinnypriv]

Cheney under pressure to quit over false war evidence
* Anger grows on both sides of Atlantic at misleading claims on eve of Iraq conflict *
The Independent, July 15 2003

Dick Cheney, the US Vice-President and the administration's most outspoken hawk over Iraq, faced demands for his resignation last night as he was accused of using false evidence to build the case for war.

He was accused of using his office to insist that a false claim about Iraq's efforts to buy uranium from Africa to restart its nuclear programme be included in George Bush's State of the Union address - overriding the concerns of the CIA director, George Tenet.

Mr Cheney was also accused of knowingly misleading Congress when the administration sought its authorisation for the use of force to oust Saddam Hussein.

The allegations against Mr Cheney have come most vocally from a group of senior former intelligence officials who believe that information from the intelligence community was selectively used to support a war fought for political reasons. In an open letter to President George Bush, the group have asked that he demand Mr Cheney's resignation.

...

As the clamour for a full inquest into the African uranium claims grew on both sides of the Atlantic, Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, was accused by MPs of lacking "credibility" after he admitted knowing a month before the war that documents making the assertion were forgeries. Mr Straw said in a statement he had known that letters given to the UN nuclear agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency, about the Niger claim were fake as early as February.

Mr Straw also claimed that the Government's case for military action was not based on "intelligence reports".

Labour MPs, including Tam Dalyell, the father of the House, asked why Mr Straw had not told MPs that the documents were fake in advance of the vote to approve military action on 18 March. "He now says the Government knew it was a forgery in February. Why didn't he tell us before Parliament voted for war?" he said. "Also if the case for war is not based on intelligence, what is it based on?"

...

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=424786

[mjb4]

1. Is it going as planned--cheney out rice in

is rove that damned smart. how many scenarios do they fo through. you have to stary up all night to come up with some of these scenarios

[proud patriot]

2. Rice is going to be the next one to resign after Cheney

I hold her very responsible .

[LiberalFighter]

42. I want them to be impeached

And for Senator Hillary Clinton to be on the committee like she was during Watergate

[goforit]

45. Arrested first, impeached second!!!!

We have every right to a citizens arrest!!!!

[dArKeR]

53. Civil suits 'Wrongful Deaths' 3rd. Bush is responsible. Don't let the

media whores distract you!

http://www.geocities.com/darkerxdarker

[LynneSin]

57. Um, where's the international courts?

I know they need to be making a stop there too!

[Emillereid]

4. Rice isn't looking good over the Niger flap either --

I think Rove had better dig deeper. Actually he's probably trying to figure out a way to get himself installed as President

[Kahuna]

27. Condi is in ...

deep doo doo. Her performances on Sunday only managed to dig her hole deeper. She had the audacity to claim that although the report was bogus the information was still correct. How stupid does she think we all are?

The media is tired of her superior condescending attitude. She can no longer hide behind her black skin and continue to think that she won't be targeted because Dems and the media fear a backlash. Whatever she gets she has coming to her. I can't wait to see her get it. :puke:

[Cronus Protagonist]

29. Condi's honest, isn't she?

http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=131





http://kucinichforpresident.com - Kucinich Is The One
http://cronus.com/prayer - One of Kucinich's speeches

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13 - cute little buttons
http://bushspeaks.com - sardonic political toons
http://cronus.com - enlightening and educational liberal fun

Conceptual Guerilla

[goforit]

47. So true!....Funny .....yet sad!!!!....Needs Deprogramming therapy!

Psychotherapists across America.......
The WH needs help!!!!

[MurrayDelph]

49. Here's 16 more words they have made go away

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

[caledesi]

74. Good one MD! n/t

[thom1102]

87. It was "I did not have sexual relations with that woman,

Monica Lewinsky," 11 words

[thom1102]

88. just ignore this one

nt

[calimary]

97. She's probably in serious doo-doo now.

And if she isn't, she WILL be when that 9/11 report is released. She blew it there, too.

[goforit]

46. I wonder if Rove has gotten any sleep lately?

LOL!!!

[colorado_ufo]

50. All her education, all her experience, all her political clout,

and I have NEVER seen a woman less able to think for herself in my life. She is a genuine "Daddy's Girl," and * is her Daddy. A real Black American Princess.

[liberalhistorian]

95. Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with you there.

I've noticed that, too, that she looks on Smirk as her "master". And the repukes think they have it made, since anyone who criticizes her at all runs the risk of being called racist. But I think you can disagree with someone's actions and views without their race, religion, etc., coming into play.

[Frances]

6. If Cheney goes,

there's no way Rice can take his place. She is in this up to her neck. AND she's the one who should have prevented 9/11.

[susu369]

12. Rice is incompetent

I agree she is "up to her neck."

[caledesi]

33. Exactly! Condi's days are numbered.

[oasis]

78. Exactly, events of 9/11 was her responsiblity. "traditional hijackings"

She had plenty of information in front of her to "connect the dots".

[caledesi]

32. No, no...Cheney is the first domino (resigning for health reasons)

Then Condi's out
Then Rummy

[Rooktoven]

63. If that scenario happens, who's left to pull the strings?

Pinocchio w/o the wisdom...

[Ouabache]

65. That's not OUR plan though,

I thought our plan was Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld out first, among many of the PNAC persuasion.

Then:
Lugar in as VP and future caretaker.

Chimpy impeached or resigning next.

The 2004 Election of a Democrat.


I think above is a good DU plan. :evilgrin:

[Dover]

3. Quit? How about LOCKED UP !!! This is not a "mistake"...it's a criminal

act! That's why I don't want anyone to settle for impeachment for Bush either. These criminals need to be thrown into the cages at Gitmo.

Democrats who signed on for this war...who are now whining that they were "betrayed", ought to be locked up too for criminal stupidity.
Why they were so easily "fooled" by these thieves after having witnessed so much criminal behavior from them prior to signing off on the war is beyond comprehension. The people and many Democrats (those who rallied to oppose the signing) are smarter than the Dem leadership? Guess so.....

[huckleberry]

14. What Dover said!

I agree 100000%!! How could the dems, especially Senators Kerry and Clinton, go along with this? For this reason, I could NEVER support either one of them! And even if they did believe smirko, why didn't they ask rummy what the post-war plans were? I just can't believe what a mess this is!!!

[Old and In the Way]

26. But what happens when the Exeuctive stonewalls info so that

you can't make an informed decision?

"When Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-California, who sits on the intelligence committee, sent Bush a letter on Sept. 17, 2002, requesting he urge the CIA to produce a National Intelligence Estimate, a report that would have showed exactly how much of a threat Iraq posed, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice said in the post 9–11 world the U.S. cannot wait for intelligence because Iraq is too much of a threat to the U.S."

It was played to force a vote by Congress before the mid-terms. It was a "no-lose" play by this administration.

* Those Democrats that voted against would be crucified by the Republicans in 2002 or 2004.

* Those Democrats who played it safe based on this administrations complete lack of cooperation in supplying information to make an informed choice would be used as cover by Republicans to hide behind and those Dems would be condemned by the anti-war crowd for capitulating on this issue.

Iraq War seemed to address so many opportunities for Republicans-

(1) Distraction from the root cause of the 9/11 terror
(2) Bush's fixiation with bringing Hussein down
(3) Oil and Repair Contracts
(4) Republicans as "warriors"
(5) Execute the PNAC vision and acquire new srategic airbases.
(6) A political issue to cleave the Democrats

Their perfect little war seems to have gone to shit on them...

[Pallas180]

60. OLD - you said it all. and concisely too.

:hi:

[caledesi]

34. Dean in his Blog said basically the same thing and some DUers

here were pissed. Said he shouldn't be picking on "his own" and instead target *, but it's true...I have questioned this over and over when we lost the congressionals...why or why did they say yes to this war.

[juajen]

67. It's really simple

They did not want the tag "wimp" hung around their necks. Too much criticism, unwarranted, of dems not being strong on defense. It's a chess game up there and players take their losses along with wins, and sometimes their strategy is a losing one, like this time; also, the 2002 election. Of course, I think they were aided by some very valuable voting machines. Go Bev!

I, too, was disappointed by the dems that voted for this stupid war and very proud of the opposition. I don't condemn them for these votes. At the time, America was gungho for this war and were running roughshod over all opposition, sorta like all the stupidity after 9/11. Also, don't forget they had all been threatened by the "anthrax" affair. Walk a mile in their shoes, you might not be so brave. Many lives and the destruction of a country later, we are actually getting the truth out. Unfortunately, it's too late for a lot of Americans and many, many Iraqis. But, the fact is, we have to deal with what we have now and continue fighting. I believe it is time to MARCH again.

[CTLawGuy]

80. what if...

Oppostition leaders in Nazi Germany had been strong and stood up for the right thing?

You are entitled to your opinion, but I cannot excuse (at least in the primaries) anyone who voted for this awful travesty of a war. By this invasion, we have damaged the international relations system by defying the UN. Thousands of people are dead becuase of this war. We need people in office who are not driven by raw emotion. One of the logical reasons for a representative government is that representatives will better mentally and emotionallly equipped to handle governmental affairs and crises than the mob. 9/11 is no excuse, our representatives must strive to fulfill the best interests of our people. That means opposing a wrongheaded war-crime of a war. Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt, and Edwards failed to be good governors, and therefore I don't support them in the primary. I will support whichever Dem wins the nomination however, and I STRONGLY encourage everyone else to do so as well.

Dean 2004 - Real, Moral leadership.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

85. Oppose Hitler and you AND your family were imprisoned

or worse. The congressional vote was not the same thing obviously but Old and In the Way's post fairly well summed up the game.

[DeathvadeR]

40. agreed.....

Hang that whole fuqin Klan!!!!

[crissy71]

86. If they're the nominee

you better support them

[hang a left]

93. Agreed

When it's clear someone is pulling way ahead of the pack, jump on his bandwagon, it is the only way!

[Wapsie B]

18. That or.....

take away his fortune. I want to make that asshole destitute.

[DeathvadeR]

41. I want him to go out like OJ

Take his money away and watch him as he gets spit on by people in the street.

[caledesi]

52. Yeah, spit sounds good. I like the humiliation.

These arrogant arrogant bastards. (Esp. Rummy..."Are people gonna die, Yeah, you bet!") Hang him by the you-know-whats.

[rocktivity]

77. Great idea, Bushwentawol--strip them of their assets!

Then the Bush family will have TWO members punished under the Trading With the Enemy Act!

rocknation

[Fridays Child]

20. How could Congressional Dems have been fooled? As a matter of fact...

...they weren't fooled at all. They supported this war in the name of political expediency, and THAT'S what makes them accessories to the bushista crimes--acts which, by the way, rise far above the standard for impeachment and can be fully adjudicated only in a world court.

Bottom line? If we weren't fooled (and we weren't) there exists NO plausible deniability for the members of Congress who supported war against Iraq.

[Kahuna]

30. They absolutely were not fooled. How can they..

on one hand say that bush stole the election. Then on the other hand say they trusted him to do the right thing. Sorry but, that dog just won't hunt. If all of us and the millions of people who emailed them knew better, why didn't they? If they didn't know, they are not leaders. They are followers. And Kerry, Lieberman and Gephardt should drop out of the presidential race right now. And, Tom Daschle should resign as minority leader.

[Pallas180]

61. They wouldn't listen to Senator Byrd. He knew. He told them. they

payed no attention.

[Kahuna]

28. Right, Dover. Impeachment is too good for the bushies...

Besides, they would manage to get pardoned. I say that we make sure that they are kicked out of office in 2004 and then prosecute them for treason.

[caledesi]

51. Agree Dover, they should all be charged as war criminals.

Innocent people died for Christ's sake. Who's going to be held accountable?

[JackSwift]

5. Defrauding the US government is a felony

Time for Gitmo, not mere resignation.

[Dover]

10. I wonder if that would then lead to lawsuits by those who lost loved ones?

If it is established that it was indeed fraud, then it seems that would open them up to all kinds of lawsuits.

[teryang]

11. Don't think so

Sovereign immunity waiver extends only to negligence not intentional acts or policy matters. I think he's immune. Maybe you could pursue some "acting outside the scope of employment" theory and sue him individually. I don't think it would be successful.

[Dover]

13. So this is different than the lawsuits being pursued by victim's families

in the 9/11 deaths? Aren't they trying to prove that they intentionally or negligently failed to protect citizens

Besides, this administration never required any evidence to lock people up, so I think that should apply to them too. We just "think" they might be guilty....and that should be good enough.

[teryang]

70. It is different than 911 suits

...from what I understand, although I have no direct knowlege of those suits. Saudi Arabia and some of its banks are parties. They are not immune, either for intentional acts nor negligence. If the United States is being sued it can only be sued for negligence.

The American government can only be sued for acts of negligence under its waiver of sovereign immunity. Private parties can always sue the US for negligence. Active duty personnel cannot sue the federal government for negligence, it's called the Ferris Doctrine. Causes of action by private parties who are survivors of active duty personnel cannot sue on the basis of death or injury derivative to the service member's injury or death. Claims for injuries of foreign nationals against the US based upon acts during combat operations are not payable either. (Military Claims Act)

[caledesi]

54. I was wondering the same thing.

If my son/daughter got killed, you better believe I would be suing.

[Trek234]

15. Not a felony

If a pardon follows a resignation. Remember the position these people are in. They all stand to gain pardons unless there was a MASSIVE impeachment and removal from office. Just about everyone in line for the presidency would likely pardon those who took the fall.

[asjr]

22. cheney

GW will just pardon himself and go on off to the pig farm to "rest."
Cheney and Rice should never be pardoned by anybody. Now we know what shadow government means--Cheney in his bunker with his walkie-talkie giving GW instructions and Rice making sue he follows orders.

(making sure) edit

[catzies]

55. Or, at least, it used to be a felony.

Now, you get promoted. :nuke:

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. This is the way this needs to be done

It is very probable that we are going to have a regime change, in three major democracies soon, the US, England and Australia. It is important that this is done in a peacefully and orderly fashion.

The US has gone through this before and survived. But surviving the experience will be a lot easier if the VP goes first. That will allow Congress to approve of a suitable VP (not Condi), so that the next stage, can go as smoothly as possible.

[caledesi]

35. Watergate is the model...it will come down the same way.

VP to resign (health reasons)...then the rest of the dominoes fall.

[LiberalFighter]

43. There is a problem...

House and Senate are controlled by scum not Democrats

[Gore1FL]

69. Doesn't matter

any impeachment has to be lead by the part of the president, or it will turn into a partisan fiasco -- (See Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton for references)

Lets face it. Bush was nominated because they needed a front man who they could install in office and control. His only strength was the "electability" factor. If he loses that, the same thing will happen to him as any frontman -- He'll be the sacrificial lamb. They will have no reason to stick with him if the only reason he's there becomes a liability to them rather than an asset.

Dubya is gone as soon as he is recognized by the republicans as the political landmine he has become.

When it is politically expedient to do so, Republicans will impeach a aRepublican.

[aquart]

38. It's how we did it with Nixon.

Worked okay.

[Pallas180]

62. Constitution says third in line is Speaker of House-Dennis Hastert

:crazy:

[VaLabor]

8. hmm

Labour MPs, including Tam Dalyell, the father of the House, asked why Mr Straw had not told MPs that the documents were fake in advance of the vote to approve military action on 18 March. "He now says the Government knew it was a forgery in February. Why didn't he tell us before Parliament voted for war?" he said. "Also if the case for war is not based on intelligence, what is it based on?"

Hmm...if it's not based on intelligence, maybe it was based on...uhh...stupidity?

Wait. We already knew that.

[MaineDem]

17. Wow

This all boggles my little mind!

[Frances]

9. This is great news even if Cheney isn't kicked out

The focus now should be on consequences.

For the first time in their lives, these people should face the consequences of their greed and arrogance and lies.

[bfusco]

16. It's only the begining

The arrogant criminal bastards were riding so high a couple of months ago and appears to all be unravelling. We may actually have a real opposition party and media. We have just seen a drop in the bucket and the stone wall is likely to come crumbling down. These SOB's will not go down easy and we need to continue to hammar, hammar, and hammar. Spread the word, write letters to the paper and bombard your congressional representatives. I agree that this calls for more then resignation/impeechment. Manipulation of intelligence to sell a war on false pretenses is a high crime that makes Watergate and Iran/Contra look like a speeding violation. These bastards should have to look the families of every dead Iraqi/soldier and tell them how their loved ones died for their imperial ambitions.

[diplomats]

19. Naturally, this is in the British press

eom

[indictrichardperle]

21. This Story is Going Everywhere

DU had it first :D, now its in the NY Times, The Independent and ........MSNBC-Keith Olbermann is talking about VIPS right now.......

Bunker Dick and Scooter Libby are going to be impeached


:toast: :bounce: :bounce:

[Emboldened Chimp]

23. Hmm, this story is a little suspect

The reporter says: "The allegations against Mr Cheney have come most vocally from a group of senior former intelligence officials who believe that information from the intelligence community was selectively used to support a war fought for political reasons. In an open letter to President George Bush, the group have asked that he demand Mr Cheney's resignation."

I think they're referring to Ray McGovern and VIPS, who did write a letter to Cheney. But the headline is misleading, because it leads one to assume that Cheney is under pressure from people inside the administration, which probably isn't the case.

[Teacher4dean04]

24. The letter

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0714-01.htm

[lanlady]

25. I totally agree

I was going to post something to that effect. The reporter or headline writer really took some liberties. Unless, of course, the VIPS guys are serving as proxies for current Intel officials.

[caledesi]

37. Maybe, maybe not. "How are you feeling Dick?" Oh, not too well?

Gee, maybe it's time for you to reTIRE?" Ha ha!

[dicknbush]

31. This is a very fine little mental exercise but really:

If you think that Bush Boy is going to throw his VP over board barring some very clear and serious revelations about a crime that Dickhead has committed we are all very much kidding ourselves. Of course who would have predicted that Gerry Ford would become Vice resident two years after the Nixon/Agnew landslide.

Anything is possible I suppose!

[CatWoman]

36. hahahaha

[tonyblurr]

39. Perfect Choice!

There is NO WAY they will lose Tenet.

Tenet is at the CORE of this neoconstipated neoconspiracy.

They NEEDTENET BAD.

Cheney would be the perfect fall guy.



He's scheduled to die..er for retiremet soon anyway.

They'll just recycle him somehow like they did Perle till his ticker kicks in.

Its all in the CardZ.



THE FATHER




THE SON




THE HOLY GHOST




AMEN




AMEN

Which leads us to the questions:

1) If there is a god is he on george bushs side?

2) And if so why is god leading us to a holy war?

3) Or is it what god really wants?

4) did god create george bush crusaderman in his image?

5) is george W bush reenforcement to the proof of darwins theory of evolution?

?


ANSWERS to all of the above qWestions:

george bush is living proof that god does not exist.

repeat.

does not exist.

god bush does not exist.

dont let themm fool you.

bin laden didnt have a clue.

Look else W here.

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BRING 'EM ON?

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Get him out of the White House BEFORE the idiot prince and his deposed father King George I (the Elder) do more DAMMAGE.

[caledesi]

44. I love this line in particular:

"Also if the case for war is not based on intelligence, what is it based on?"

Mr. *? What do you say to that?

[anthony1]

48. same old same old..............

Come on folks.....the American people will still suffer....no matter who you vote in..
The USA is "supposedly" the yardstick for democracy.............
This is a great indication of where the "super power" is headed.
Tell me honestly how can you change it.

[BiggJawn]

58. Hmmmm. Why don't YOU tell US?

Oh one of obviously superior intellect...

"the American people will still suffer....no matter who you vote in.."

So, you're saying we may as well vote for Shrub and be done with it, Mushroom-cloud armageddon and all?

Think carefully er you speak...

[catzies]

59. Welcome to DU! Read up...there are great minds here!

We who choose not to give up that easily are here because we wish to be the change we seek in the world. :bounce:

[LynneSin]

56. Like we didn't see this one coming!

We knew there was no way Bush was going to get re-elected with Cheney on his ticket (then again, I'm going for not getting re-elected). So he's going to try to make himself look "compassionate conservative" by putting another liar on there like Rice or Powell thinking that he is somehow reaching out to the African American community (kinda like when daddy nominated Clarence Thomas).

So not buying it, but if Rice is on the ticket, it could be trouble for us.

[hang a left]

91. african americans

already know she's a sellout

[lfairban]

64. I found this part interesting:

Joseph Wilson, a former US ambassador, said he was asked by the CIA to go to Niger and investigate the claim in a request from the Vice-President's office. Mr Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, has admitted that during a briefing from the CIA "the Vice-President asked a question about the implication of the report".

I thought Condi Rice said that the information from Wilson never made it to the White House.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

79. Technically she's correct.

When did Crashcart ever spend any time at the WH?

[farmboxer]

66. Cheney Wants To Go Back To His Company Halliburton

and collect all the oil money our troops died for.

[T_i_B]

68. Kick

BTW, Why haven't I seen calls for Cheney to go sooner?

[tonyblurr]

72. Buck Fush Chuck Faney

http://cohiba.fork.com/~danh/buckfush.html

Buck Fush

http://www.cafeshops.com/godstuff20.672173?zoom=yes#zoom

People tried TIBritain for the Haliburton deals but Cheney scared them off.

Chuck Faney

[rman]

71. if Cheney is the fall guy and the rest of the hawks remain

then we'r screwed.

[0007]

73. Oh No!

After Cheney the party will start dropping like flies. Much like the Nixon years. It took a while but by the time Nixon left office he was the most hated man on earth. junior is following the same path to a tee.

I've always said that Cheney makes Spiro Agnew look like a sick whore.

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

75. Mary Matalin resigned in December '02

Cheney's mouthpiece, Mary Matalin, quit in late '02, a month or so before the SOTU. Is it possible she actually had scruples about the bending of intelligence "information" she saw going on under her nose? Has she been seen defending the admin. lately?

[JoFerret]

81. Mary Matelin

Hmm...interesting remote possibility. Was she talking in her sleep perhaps? What is she doing these days? (apart from spending more time with her family, naturally.)

[hang a left]

96. Hopefully

she stays healthy

[Nottingham]

76. Enron & the Energy Crisis in Calif & Haliburton & Now this WMD thing

Ya I bet Cheneys Pacemaker is going to need a jump start!

Its amazing he has stayed in this long! :bounce:

[indypaul]

82. We are overlooking one important

aspect of this whole scenario. Where does Collin Powell
fit into the picture? Were he go also for his UN disaster
or does he suddenly become the rising star and replace
Cheney if in fact Cheney goes? The politics of such a
move are earth shaking.

[bushisanidiot]

83. Maybe they'll switch Cheney and Powell

And claim it was a 'brilliant' move. hmmm..

[justicebuilder]

84. Energy Task Force Redux

It's time to revisit the energy task force issue. Who was on the task force? What was discussed? Was war with Iraq advocated by corporate voices close to the vice president? Was it part of the strategy paper produced by the task force?

Cheney's conduct clearly shows he cannot be trusted. These records should be re-subpoenaed. A special prosecutor should be appointed. Let's get to the bottom of this.

Oh wait, I forgot - "the bottom has been gotten to."

:rolleyes:

jb

[RainDog]

98. judicial watch and the Sierra Club are still on it

and I'm glad it's a bipartisan coalition seeking this info, first because it helps me realize not all republicans are total asshole scum like the neocons, and because the thugs can't try to hide behind the charge of dem attack.

david zephyr posted on this subject the other day...saying that this Wilson issue, and the 16 words are a distraction from the Energy Policy Task Force papers issue.

Cheney and the rest of the neocon thugs will not go down without a fight. I wouldn't put it past them to invade another country to save their own asses, even.

which is all the more reason to get rid of these bottom feeders.

[0007]

89. btt

Meaning: " bounce to top"

[tonyblurr]

90. tftu

thanks for telling us

[David Zephyr]

92. Breaking News: Cheney & Bush Seen Dressed As Women in Lifeboats

The rats are jumping ship.

[umcwb]

94. Kick n/t