Schapelle Corby case may go to Supreme Court of Indonesia

[lovuian]

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Big News Network.com Sunday 29th May, 2005

Schapelle Corby spent the weekend in isolation refusing to see visitors after being handed a 20 year prison term Friday.

Defence lawyers though spent the weekend working on an appeal to the High Court in Bali, while Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer hinted if that appeal failed the case could be referred to the Supreme Court of Indonesia. Downer also ruled out military action to 'rescue' Corby from Indonesian authorities.

Speaking to Chris Adams on Brisbane radio station 4BC, Downer said, 'They (the Corby family and defece team) are able to appeal this decision in the High Court in Bali and then beyond that, if that appeal's not successful, to the Supreme Court of Indonesia. So you know, there's a way to go yet in all of this.'

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Military action Whoah!!! this is getting really interesting!!!

[SouthernDem2004]

1. The whole prisoner exchange part is spooky. Stay away from that country!

[MADem]

2. The Aussies do have a bone to pick, here

Those guys who blew up all of those Aussie vacationers got something like thirty months. The Indonesians would be smart to just deport her, or agree to transfer her and let the Aussies do what they will (which is probably release her on probation, or something like that)--it cannot end well, otherwise.

[roguevalley]

3. They didn't take prints. That's a basic thing for a case this serious.

[Cha]

5. Yes, they would "be smart

to just deport her"..

It works out to 2&1/2 days per victim or something like that.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/03/indonesia.crime.bakar

Edit~ Correct that..

"Bali Bombing Mastermind Sentenced to 4.5 days in Jail per Victim
Our allies in the Global War on Terror have finally convicted Abu Bakar Bashir (Ba'asyir), the mastermind of the Bali nightclub bombing, to a lengthy sentence. What does the mass murder of 202 infidels get you in Indonesia? 30 months.

That's 2.5 years.

That's 900 days.

That's 4.5 days per victim."


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/069916.php

[Eureka]

6. Not really

There are a lot of 'odd' things relating to the evidence in the case that would have been unlikely to result in a conviction in Australia, but there is far more misinformation out there about it.

Case in point, the Bali Bombers. The three 'people' who were convicted for it all got the death penalty (not yet carried out, but sentenced). Abu Bakar Bashir, their spiritual leader, got about 30 months for being a radical, but has not been tried in relation to the Bali Bombings.

As for the OPs point about military action, that's a lot of hype from "Aussie Freepers" who think we should send in the SAS to get her out.

The real blame should be apportioned to our government, who like the US Administration, have been spreading propaganda about how secure they have made us, all the while doing nothing in real terms to secure us. The fact that baggage handlers are not screened as thoroughly as passengers, and the fact that they are not under CCTV when handling baggage, might well have had something to do with the drugs appearing in the luggage. But, as our head of aviation security said to the Senate last week, if we fix those things we wont have anything to do if the security threat does actually increase. Gee that makes sense!

Oh, and it's funny that such an outcry about this case has taken place, when we have smugglers of Asian descent (but citizens) incarcerated with hardly a whimper from the public. I guess it helps to be white and, dare I say it, have a nice set of mammaliam protruberences.

</rant off, but hey, it's all we hear about over here at the moment>

[Horse with no Name]

10. I think you are correct

Attractive white women seem to be a more noble cause to champion than a downtrodden non-white.
It sucks.
I don't want to see anyone that is innocent in prison--doesn't matter what color/gender they are.

[ConfuZed]

4. Its amazing the bullshit the media repeats

I heardly believe that she would refuse to see visitors.

[Matilda]

12. it may refer to the fact that the Corby family is under contract

to the Nine Network and 2GB, so they won't talk to any other media
outlets. Since most Australians get their news and opinions from
the Nine News and shock jocks like Alan Jones, it goes a long way
to explaining the enormous interest in this case.

[Matilda]

14. Further to that, it appears she has even refused to see her family.

"Broken Corby shuts out her family and lawyers."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Broken-Corby-shuts-out-her-family-and-lawyers/2005/05/30/1117305562241.html

[Sokrates]

7. Background?

I find it odd that the Indonesians would have just randomly picked her up off the street and framed her.

Given her antics in the courtroom I think she dost protest too much.

In the end she I think she will probably be deported. 20 years in an Indonesian prison would really suck.

[ConfuZed]

8. "Given her antics in the courtroom I think she dost protest too much."

Well what the hell do you expect her to do?

[Sokrates]

9. Well what the hell do you expect her to do?

Having been on the wrong side of a criminal proceeding, and having observed many many more, I can assure you that when you see someone convicted, and then throw a temper tantrum, you can be confident the right verdict was reached. I think it's a function of their sociopathic mindset.

As I said, I don't know the background. But when I saw her performance in court, I was highly skeptikal of her story.

[soaky]

11. The performance you speak of wasn't what I'd describe as a tantrum

Having been subjected to the footage daily since the sentence was handed down, it looked to me more like grief and disbelief, and trying not to throw up. That's pretty much how I'd feel if I was just given a 20 year sentence in a Bali prison.

Perhaps you should look into the background of the case. She wasn't picked up off the street and framed, as you put it, but had just arrived in Bali, walked off the plane, collected her bags and was stopped by customs for a search. She alleges, and there is growing evidence of just such a scam although authorities are at pains to draw disctinctions with corby's case, that the grass was put in her bag by baggage handlers in Australia.

I err on the side of innocence in her case - who in their right mind would import grass into bali for a start?

[Andrushka]

13. What the...

"Downer also ruled out military action to 'rescue' Corby from Indonesian authorities."

Which means that some nutcases actually have been suggesting it (most likely to the talkback radio shows).

Oh yes, we have our fair share of rightwingnuttery in Aus, too folks. :crazy:

[Matilda]

15. The best thing for Corby would be for the media to pull back now,

but that's not going to happen as long as they see any mileage in
the story.

There's a lot of anti-Indonesian feeling here, and there's a risk
of a reaction from Indonesia against Corby that could make her
situation even worse. But the Packers and Joneses of the media
don't really give a stuff about Corby, they only want to increase
their own circulation and ratings, and they'll continue to do
whatever it takes. Of course, the GP can't see that, they never do.

[ConfuZed]

16. I think they should do whatever it takes to get her out of there...

I don't think that makes them "rightwingnuttery" for passing out that option

[noiretextatique]

17. some of the protests have a distinctly anti-indonesian

flavor. there is the distinct possibility that she was guilty, however, the prosecutors have brought deserved criticism on themselves for the way they handled the case.
after reading some pro-corby websites, i am convinced some of her supporters hate indonesians more than they care about her.

[Andrushka]

20. ConFuzed

Including sending in the SAS?

Please... :eyes:

[ConfuZed]

22. Yes whatever it takes but personally I prefer it being peaceful...

If the SAS can do the job I'm all for it if it hurts anyone feelings tough luck they should have thought about it before they gave Abu Bakar Bashir a 30 month sentence and this young lady 20 years.

[Eureka]

23. Ummmmm

Under that pretence we should have invaded the US long ago, since they have held Australians without charge in Cuba for more than three years.

Also, how is Bashir's conviction linked to Corby? It seems all the rage these days to somehow think that "The Bali Bomber only got 30 months" when in fact the three main bombers were given a Death Sentence. Bashir was given his sentence for things other than direct involvement in the Bali bombing.

And, I have a sneaking suspicion that sending the SAS into Bali would do a fair bit more than hurt peoples feelings.

Invading soveriegn nations is pretty stupid, albeit pretty trendy these days (the "leader of the free world" can do it, I suppose we can too if it suits)

[ConfuZed]

24. Mmmmmm

Under that pretence we should have invaded the US long ago, since they have held Australians without charge in Cuba for more than three years.

but for the sake of argument you could have invaded "cuba" or your goverment could have contacted our goverment and demand a release but that never happened.

-Also, how is Bashir's conviction linked to Corby? It seems all the rage these days to somehow think that "The Bali Bomber only got 30 months" when in fact the three main bombers were given a Death Sentence. Bashir was given his sentence for things other than direct involvement in the Bali bombing.-

Bashir did alot more damage than Corby could ever do, c'mon 20 years for weed its beyond harsh.

And, I have a sneaking suspicion that sending the SAS into Bali would do a fair bit more than hurt peoples feelings.

It will probably hurt yours but who cares you're not sitting in a dirty 3rd world prison. ("3rd world" probably hurts your feelings as you read it.)

Invading soveriegn nations is pretty stupid,

They don't have to invade a "country" to "rescue" her.

albeit pretty trendy these days (the "leader of the free world" can do it, I suppose we can too if it suits)

If clinton did it provided it was for the right reasons I would be in full support the fact is Bush lied invading iraq so your "free world" argument to moot IMO.

[Eureka]

25. So you advocate a military response?

Really, how do you suggest the SAS 'rescue' Corby without invading Indonesia? Or would you just parse it, call it an 'incursion' or maybe 'rescue mission'. I'd love to hear your suggestions.

Do you think that any amount of injury and death caused by such an invasion would be only 'hurting feelings'?

What do you think the Indonesians would do about it? Would a nation of 200 million sit back and let a nation of 20 million invade it's soveriegn territory? Lots of 'feelings' might get hurt there, but I guess you'd be OK with that?

And how is Clinton relevant to this? I recall he became a former President in January 2001, so how is he relevant? Should we send the Clenis to rescue her?

[Andrushka]

27. Quite incredible, isn't it?

I thought it was the sort of nutbaggery that is heard on shows like Alan Jones (Sydney talkback host - Rush lite), but here it is, in it's full regalia on DU.

Pfft, send the SAS in to rescue some bogan in a Bali gaol....

Getttouddahere!! :silly:

(tell me you weren't one of those people that supported Howard when he mentioned 'pre-emptive stikes' on neighbouring nations, ConfuZed ...)

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

18. Is it normal

to smuggle weed INTO Indonesia? I would think that being a third-world tropic isle and vacation spot, it would be much more economical to buy one's bud in Bali?

Notice I refrained from a joke about indo-nesia...

[MN ChimpH8R]

19. Spoke with an Aussie friend last night

He said that the its a poorly kept secret that baggage handlers stow dope in bags on the Aussie end and their partners-in-smuggling retrieve it on the destination end in places like Bali and Indonesia.

FWIW, he thinks this gal got caught in the middle when the Indonesian end screwed up and didn't retrieve the pot and that it's likely she will eventually be sent back to Oz for minimal punishment. No fingerprints or any such were put into evidence against her. Never would have resulted in a conviction in Australia, sez my friend.

[anakie]

21. she wont be sent back for 'minimal punishment'

if she is going to be sent back it will be under the auspices of a prisoner exchange agreement which hasnt yet been signed off and is probably a way off being done so.

If and/or when this happens she will be required to serve the sentence imposed upon her by the Indonesian court.

[Matilda]

26. I think your friend is right - the case would have been thrown out in Oz.

I think that's what is pissing people off - we have to be careful
not to rubbish the Indonesian justice system and cause offence to
our neighbour, but not only was the bag of dope not fingerprinted,
it was handled by ungloved Indonesian customs officials. It would
have been considered contaminated in this country, and not admissable
as evidence.

There is also the evidence - which was apparently known in 2003
according to a leaked report - of the smuggling activites of Qantas
baggage handlers, making it ever more likely that Schapelle Corby
really was an innocent victim of circumstance. But under Indonesian
law, the judges said Corby would only be found innocent if she could
prove beyond doubt who had actually placed the dope in her bag - an
obvious impossibility.

There are far too many big question marks over this case for anyone
to fairly judge Corby guilty, and I will say it - the Indonesian
justice system is barbaric and hypocritical in the extreme.