Startling revelations over possible UK-U.S. conspiracy

[lovuian]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=ce51393d0458f443

Big News Network.com Thursday 12th May, 2005

The U.S. and British governments have been startled by the publication of minutes of a meeting involving the highest levels of government in the U.K. which revealed the two countries were engaged in a virtual conspiracy.

The meeting took place on July 23 2002 and was attended among others by the British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon, MI6 chief Richard Dearlove, and Attorney General Lord Peter Goldsmith.

According to minutes taken by Matthew Rycroft, of the foreign ministry, the attendees of the meeting were briefed on talks between the two governments in Washington where the Bush administration outlined an objective of removing Saddam Hussein, despite him not being a threat nor of having an advanced WMD capability. The British officials were told the U.S. would go to war on the basis of the war on terrorism and WMD, and that the intelligence and facts were "being fixed."

The highly sensitive document was circulated after the meeting to those in attendance with a remark at the top saying 'This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.'

The minutes revealed the NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action, the minutes also disclosed.

The U.S. saw war as inevitable with the main task coming up with the justification. The Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told the UK delegation the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime.

more...

More and more details of the memo are surfacing!!!

I like these paragraphs

"Perhaps it should write too to the proprietors and editors of major U.S. news media to enquire as to whether coverage of certain events is being "fixed around the policy."

In the interests of full disclosure see below the document referred to in this story, in its entirety:"

In other words where are you US News Media wheres the Outrage???

[aquart]

1. "Spikes of activity"

That would include the deliberately provocative flyovers? And the troops massing on the border?

[lovuian]

3. Yep and the propoganda

inciting tensions!!! where there was none!!!

[katty]

43. Startled?! ha! Why?! this was obvious to the rest of the world!

[TacticalPeek]

19. Operation Desert Badger?

Very, very little press about this. The thoroughness of the silence should tell us something.


http://badattitudes.com/MT/archives/001278.html

http://www.opednews.com/kall033104_desert_badger.htm

[insane_cratic_gal]

50. Troops were in the summer of 2002

Unloading crates and crates of sunscreen. My husband who is in the navy asked about this. "We are seeing how quick we can unload these. As a training exericse." It took them 2 days of none stop around the clock unloadind. (Hell alot of sunscreen for say 150K troops who wil be staying awhile)
Except they never timed how long it took to reload the pallets. They were marked and packaged in Yellow which is camo for operations. So the intent for a long stay and troop build up was there in 2002 anyone in the middle east (military) knew it was coming.

[lovuian]

59. Yep but isn't it amazing how the News Media was hush hush!!!

Cheering on the WMD propoganda of Bush and NO OPPOSITION!!!

its like the puppetmasters playing with their puppets!!!

[Occulus]

2. hey, look at this part

They violated the order of the memo's very first lines:

"It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents."

Um, that would be the American and British people, you morons.

I'm starting to think it's not just Dems, or Pubs, or Whathaveyous, but rather politicians in general that are the propblem here...

[lovuian]

4. This is a Major conspiracy involving many people in both

nations!!!

[Lochloosa]

35. Uh...that would be "MORANS"....

[12345]

51. what's up with DU and "morans", especially correcting people

who use "moron"?

mo·ron (môr'ŏn', mōr'-)
n.
A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.


mo·ron'ic (mə-rŏn'ĭk, mô-) adj.
mo·ron'i·cal·ly adv.
mo'ron'ism or mo·ron'i·ty (mə-rŏn'ĭ-tē, mô-) n.



Thesaurus

moron

noun

One deficient in judgment and good sense: ass, fool, idiot, imbecile, jackass, mooncalf, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simple, simpleton, softhead, tomfool. Informal dope, gander, goose. Slang cretin, ding-dong, dip, goof, jerk, nerd, schmo, schmuck, turkey. See ability/inability.



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mo·ron (`mōr-'än)
n.
A moderately or mildly retarded person -- used esp. formerly see also idiot



Medical

mo·ron (môr'ŏn')
n.
A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

mo·ron'ic (mə-rŏn'ĭk, mô-) adj.
mo'ron'ism or mo·ron'i·ty (mə-rŏn'ĭ-tē, mô-)

Look up "moran". It's a last name...

[Guaranteed]

55. Iraq War support demonstration:

[12345]

57. exactly

[antonialee839]

61. That moran never fails to crack me up

[Lochloosa]

86. Sorry BullGooseLoony , should have scrolled down one....

[sweetheart]

65. 678910

It seems that by spelling it like a moron, the word's meaning captures
more emphasis... both pointer and dereferenced in the same variable.

Poetic license is not real-id, and there are no globals.

[Lochloosa]

85. It's an inside joke...would someone w/ the pic please post. Thanks

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. As this comes out, more and more will wonder at the utter silence of MSM

And know the depth of collusion involved.

[IChing]

9. Hopefully yes, but will they care?

Unless they are told to?

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. It may become bad enough that they'll _need_ to care

If that happens, perhaps it will change the country for a long, long time, and set new standards to live by.

[lovuian]

11. Does anybody know if a US paper printed the Memo like this?

or is just the Britain newspapers going to print it!!!

[Roland99]

15. WaPo and LA Times but I don't think they posted the whole memo.

[lovuian]

16. Only certain parts why not the whole memo??? Its obvious!!!

the names in this are very interesting!!!

[antonialee839]

62. I think the Chigago Sun Times had

an article on it too, or maybe I'm thinking of the Tribune.

[IChing]

17. I have hope that their dreamworld will awaken

"Their reality

Hopefully yes, but will they care?

Unless they are told to?"

[lovuian]

18. I think the Apathy is going away!!! Increase Deaths and debt

is taking its toll plus we have lots of old men in high places getting older and older ...

[Dr Fate]

23. Are any of the Democrats on interview shows bringing it up?

Or is Chris Matthews holding a gun under the table in case they do?

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. The famous giraffe neck reluctant bride took all the wind out of this one

last week. Intentional??

[shanti]

7. "need to know basis", huh?

the world needs to know this!!

[lovuian]

8. Did you guys notice in the Memo 72 hour campaign

Boy were they wrong!!!

[PartyPooper]

12. Gee. Who'd have thunk this?

Well, for starters all of us at DU.

[lovuian]

13. Your so right Party Pooper so many here knew 9/11 was the

starting point!!! And after that we all said this was BS!!!

But whats incredible is how two nations could be so controlled by a group of men!!!

It take News Media
Obediant Military

and very rich sponsors!!!

[Toots]

75. I think Cheney's Energy Meetings were the starting point

911 just sort of escalated things for them..

[hootinholler]

80. The publishing of the PNAC statement of principles

In 97 was close to the official start, but, they've been working on this a long time.

They advised Clinton to go into Iraq in 97 too.

-Hoot

[daleo]

14. It looks like kooky conspiracy theory types were right about this.

I wonder what else they have been right about?

[mhr]

20. Why Everything, Of Course

Trusts No One!

[DulceDecorum]

25. Plane registrations, databases, and religion.

And the fact that these people are only intersted in perpetual war.
They WANT high casualty numbers
because something in a cavern
feeds on something that it takes from the dying
and they are its keepers.

Thomas Barnett, Rumsfeld's "strategy guy" keeps saying that the soldiers are never coming back and people don't seem to realize that his plan calls for exactly that.

[al bupp]

36. I thought the soul-eater was kept

in the inner court of the pentagon. In any event, according to Lovecraft, whatever you do, don't speak it's name aloud...

[me b zola]

44. Dark, elegant, & disturbing prose

...disturbing because of the sick truth of which it speaks.

[donkeyotay]

67. Who's wearing the tinfoil hats now?

:tinfoilhat:

All those Murcans who think the right can do no wrong. Maintains their trance.

[thecrow]

21. What I want to know is ....Who is CDS? and C?

Why are these persons names only initials?
i.e:
cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

snip

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.
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I am thinking it was Cheney and I don;t know who else, but that's only my speculation.

[Zan_of_Texas]

26. C is not Cheney.

I read that C was one of the British people, but now I can't find the reference.

[magellan]

27. C is the Chief of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove

Cross reference Blair planned Iraq war from start and The Secret Downing Street Memo.

[ceebs]

28. CDS

Is the Chief of the Defence Staff, the senior General or Admiral.

[DulceDecorum]

58. Welcome

to the Democratic Underground.

[kentuck]

22. Why doesn't CBS send a reporter over there....

to interview Mr. Matthew Rycroft ? Do they not have the funds?

[leftchick]

31. Good question

Perhaps they have given up all investigative reporting now that rove gave them a smackdown.

[d.l.Green]

34. Or they now are looking at all documents as potential "fakes" n/t

[KansDem]

41. I would think CBS already has a reporter over there...

Along with bureaus, bureau chiefs, other reporters, photographers, etc. I would think ALL "news organizations" would have these in place ALL over the world.

Or is CBS, along with the others, merely sitting by a fax machine in DC waiting for Rove to send them what they need to print?

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. Because he'd refuse

He's a civil servant, and wouldn't give interviews on this. Also, he's now moved on to be the ambassador to Bosnia.

[Dr Fate]

24. Where is the outrage on the part of Top Democrats???

That is what I'm still asking.

Why are we expecting the Republican owned media to be outraged?

[PennyLane]

29. Why........

......do I get the feeling that this interesting little tidbit digs deeper than anybody wants to shovel? I'm thinking GOP and Dems alike are afraid this will manifest into a major inquiry. It's beginning to look a lot like conspiracy, everywhere you go........:bounce:

[killbotfactory]

45. Because it would expose what cowards so many of them were.

"No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections."

Coincidence?

[UpInArms]

30. perhaps if enough people sent this

article and memo to all of the reporters and news media outlets that they could, then someone might realize that there were a lot of us that already know what they are not exposing - put enough pressure on enough people and you will surely find a weak link (someone who can't continue to lie, in this case)

here's a list (I'm sure that some of these addresses are no longer good - but it's a start)

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[Disturbed]

32. The smoking gun that the Lamestream Media..

doesn't want to smell?

Two years ago in an interview Wolfowitz stated that the Bush Junta kicked around ideas on how to sell the Iraq Invasion to the public and they agreed that the WMDs angle would sell the best. Rumsfailed started to OSP and Cheney got intell from the CIa and the OSP cherry picked and changed the CIA Intell to fit the scam. Then they got Ahmed to get his con artists to make up stories and off they went to the UN where Powell spun the blatant crap.

[killbotfactory]

46. And don't forget the classic...

"Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out!"

[steve2470]

33. link to entire memo

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

[leftchick]

37. As Dr. Fate suggets this memo should be sent to all of our Reps.

and ask them WTF are they going to do about it! :grr:

[They_LIHOP]

70. I Heard Rep Conyers talking about this ...

On Air America earlier this week, the show they did from Sacramento IIRC. Conyers has gotten 90+ Dem Reps to sign a letter to m.r. bushit asking him, "Hey, Dude? Like, WTF UP widdatt?"

Can you imagine how much the whores would be reporting it if 90 GOP Reps wrote a letter to Clinton back in the day, asking him to explain the existence of INCONTRAVERTIBLE PROOF of some humongous, ongoing LIE he told, one that cost 1600+ American Lives and $200 Billion in Treasure?

The letter, and the evidence, would be the LEAD STORY for at least a solid week on EVERY SINGLE OUTLET of the MSM ...

Clinton would never ever have survived this kinda thing. GOod thing for Shrubbie, he and his buddies are all-out corporate whores, so they have nothing to worry about in terms of the media causing trouble for them.

Not to mention, of course, NINE-ELEVEN, people!!! Never Forget!!! USA USA USA!!!

[lovuian]

38. UK prints the whole memo!!! Not US papers!!!

its pretty obvious!!!

[gulfcoastliberal]

39. This should be on DUs Homepage

Please join me in recommending this thread. We need to keep this alive.

[hnsez]

40. this is an outrage (we already knew this to be true in our guts)

[killbotfactory]

42. This says it all

"There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

They are more corrupt, incompetent, and stupid than I thought.

Everyday paints a worse picture of these idiots. Just when you think they've hit bottom, they dig another hole.

"No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections."

Nice realpolitik. Fucking spineless dems backed down for these assholes in a pathetic attempt to save their careers.

[PassingFair]

48. This is why I've always called this "war"

...the Anglo-American Invasion of Iraq.

[Rex]

49. I ask you, is THIS an impeachable offense?

Or does impeachment only apply to Dems?

[12345]

52. I think it's only impeachable if it involves the Presiden't sex life.

[ebayfool]

84. This DOES involve his sex life! The screwing he's giving everyone is ...

probably the only f*ing he does - impeach away!

[Spinzonner]

54. Conspiracy to wage aggressive war

was the basis of the Nuremberg War Crimes trials

And we can probably find some crimes against humanity there too.

[killbotfactory]

56. No. According to republithink...

If the president lies because he believes he's doing it for your own good, it's okay.

In fact, neoconservate philosophy is partially based on feeding the public lies to make them feel good about doing amoral things, while keeping the real motives at the top. The unfortunate side effect of this is that their ideas and plans don't get reviewed, except by like-minded people, and they convince themselves of pursuing horrible and idiotic policies.

[DulceDecorum]

53. THIS is why they are trying to distract us with George Galloway

and allegations that have been proven false.

(Remember those fake papers "linking " Galloway to Saddam's oil-for-food program? Well they are rehashing them, even though Galloway has sued for libel AND WON MILLIONS against the paper that published that crap.
Now Galloway is supposed to come before the GOP Senate and say what the heck he though he was doing, selling oil for Saddam -- WHICH IS SOMETHING HE NEVER DID. And they KNOW it.)

[shmishmina]

63. galloway?!

You know what they say: "throw enough mud and some of it sticks."

[lovuian]

60. I have been watching the News today and NOTHING!!!

has come up to on of the biggest scandals in England over here in our papers!!!

This is very telling!!!

I want to know if Meet the Press is going to bring this up on Sunday!!!

I'll be watching???

[susu369]

81. Personally, I don't want to Meet the Press

'cause I've met them and they stink and it's a waste of my time. I'll spend my time Meeting the Bloggers.

:-)

[Theduckno2]

64. There may be an additional way to bring this to light.

Those of you DUers that have friends/family in the Coalition of the Willing (read: conned and coerced), should make them aware of the memo. I imagine that Italy may be easiest to convince to bring the troops home early. The MSM does cover some of the troop withdrawals. As soon as Americans realize that they will be carrying ALL the weight in Iraq, for a very long time, the sooner the troops may come home. :)

[Theduckno2]

71. Contents of Tony Blair's red "intel" cases: fish and chips!

This really hurts, not only did they deceive, but they knew they were going to deceive from the onset. History will not be kind to George Bush, Tony Blair and their cast of characters.:grr:

[donkeyotay]

66. Smoking memo

The NYT's had that editorial apologizing for telling 5(?) lies for war, lies that came right from the administration. George denied any responsibility for faking aluminum tubes, yellow cake, etc., and for the bits about mushroom clouds over American cities.

But now we have evidence that the entire thing was reverse-engineered. He lied. He lied about lying, him and all his neocon betrayers of the America people.

If this doesn't get him impeached, our country is lost.

[RaRa]

68. Then we are lost

because this Congress is NOT going to cross King George. Unless there's a video showing him laughing about 9-11, it ain't gonna happen. It makes me physically ill; the state this country is in.

[AmBlue]

73. There IS a video....

You know the one... Where *, at that black tie dinner party, is joking about where the WMDs are, laughing and lifting the white linen table cloth to peer underneath as if he might find them there. I couldn't understand why that stunt didn't have all the branches of our military in a mutinous uproar.

In light of this new information, that "little" prank of his takes on new and much more horrific meaning.

[malaise]

69. MSM has zero credibility

I mean we all knew this didn't we. People should bombard them with email about the cover-up from day one and the pretence at credible news.
Who will bring these criminals to trial?

[donkeyotay]

72. So, actually, Saddam was telling the truth

Our president was lying.

Unbelievable. I wonder if God's Own Party is going to be able to duck this. I wonder if our corporate warmongering media can keep going, "Look over there! Pay no attention to the corrupt little f**k behind the curtain."

[GetTheRightVote]

74. We live in a very sad world right now.

:kick:

[Nancy Waterman]

76. Wash Post carried the story today on page A 18

with a misleading headline about Blair. Total coverup but they can say they covered it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201857.html

British Intelligence Warned of Iraq War
Blair Was Told of White House's Determination to Use Military Against Hussein

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 13, 2005; Page A18

Seven months before the invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that in Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street.

"Military action was now seen as inevitable," said the notes, summarizing a report by Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6, British intelligence, who had just returned from consultations in Washington along with other senior British officials. Dearlove went on, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD . But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

and so on...

[lovuian]

77. Thanks Nancy!!! evidence the News Media is covering up too

This isn't front page news!!!

That we went to War on a conspiracy!!! thats not news!!!

[chlamor]

78. Protest in front of Media outlets

and distribute copies of memo.

[Octafish]

79. The US Media don't work for the Citizens of the nation -- We the People.

They work for the corporations. And who owns them?

[struggle4progress]

82. kick

[yorkiemommie1]

83. We told them so!

and they called us traitors, and haters of America, taunted and ridiculed us.

Where is the anger in the land?