LAT: Third Man Took Part in Oklahoma Bombing, Nichols Says

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-okcbomb4may04,0,7867030.story?coll=la-home-headlines

After a decade of silence, Terry L. Nichols, who was convicted of conspiracy in the Oklahoma City bombing, has accused a third man of being an accomplice who provided some of the explosives used to kill 168 people at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building 10 years ago.

Nichols, in a letter written from his cell at the government's Supermax prison in Colorado, said Arkansas gun collector Roger Moore donated so-called binary explosives, made up of two components, to bomber Timothy J. McVeigh that were used in Oklahoma City, as well as additional bomb components that recently were found in Nichols' former home in Kansas.

The claim that a third man was involved in the plot comes as a California congressman has begun pressing for answers to lingering questions about the worst act of domestic terrorism in the United States.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. , chairman of the investigative arm of the House Committee on International Relations, has been collecting new evidence in the bombing and said he would announce soon whether to open formal hearings into the April 19, 1995, tragedy.

I've always wondered why * and especially Ashcroft were in such an all fire rush to kill McVeigh? And I bet Rohrabacher is going to bring out the Jayna Davis conspiracy theory.

[rwenos]

1. McVeigh Can't Be Defended, Even If * Wanted Him Offed

"I've always wondered why * and especially Ashcroft were in such an all fire rush to kill McVeigh?"

Somes a cigar is just a cigar. McVeigh killed 30 defenseless children and 132 other innocent human beings.

McVeigh was a monster. Don't confuse that with Dana Rohrabacher's opportunism.

[RamboLiberal]

7. Yeah McVeigh was evil incarnate

and deserved death - but I do think others were involved. Over the years he may well have finally decided to talk. Ashcroft couldn't wait to kill him. I still say why the rush - wasn't going to bring back those poor victims! I don't know what conclusions the OKC grandmother who wrote this book will come to, but like the Jersey girls of 9-11 I admire her guts in befriending McNichols and her trying to find out who else was involved.

[amandabeech]

16. I agree. McVeigh might have cracked finally.

Nichols has, at least some. I am not supportive of the death penalty generally, but I can't object too much when the crime is very, very extreme, like McVeigh's, assuming that he was sane. But what was the rush?

[johnfunk]

26. Terrorist McVeigh and Nichols are indefensible -- but just two of them?

McVeigh was a mentally warped racist and zealot, which might explain his silence.

The big questions remains:

• How could just two guys have pulled this off?
• Why didn't Jaaaay-zus John Ashcroft make anything resembling a concerted effort to continue investigating this case that killed kids anf federal employees, including agents sworn to defend you and me?

This is why we need to take back Congress: you'll finally hear Mcveigh and Nichols called what they are, namely terrorists. And you might just see Jaaay-zus John hauled before a committee or two to explain why HIS version of the DoD was soft on terrorism.

This is a crucial element of a Democratic strategy to prove tat it is we, not the GOP, that are the party for robust national security. It is time we start talking about the miserable and potentially catastrophic failures of GOP-controlled executive and legislative branches.{/b]

[CoffeeCat]

2. Does the Jayna Davis theory have legs?

I heard her discussing her theories on a local right-wing radio program. She convinced the right-wing host, and he lends credibility to her theory, quite frequently.

I was only half listening to her pitch, but it was intriguing. She claims that there is an Iraqi connection to the OK bombing, correct?

Is this just a neocon attempt to fan the flames of hate for the Middle East? Or does she have a credible hypothesis?

Anyone know?

[RoyGBiv]

5. No ...

Her hypothesis isn't even new. She's just added new details on top of a "theory" that's been running around since the day after the bombing, back when no one would even consider that an American, least of all a white American, had been responsible for this.

It's actually rather typical. The theory is based on kernels of truth upon which are piled heaps of speculation leading to a predetermined conclusion.

[Julius Civitatus]

13. It doesn't stand on its feet, mostly innuendo

and no evidence at all to support it. Call it "faith-based reporting," since it takes a leap of logic to take her theories at face value. Among her strongest pieces of "evidence", she claims the police sketch of "John Doe #2" looks "arabic." That's all she got.

I strongly this is a great excuse for these right-wingers in denial to divert the idea that a right-wing, waspy white man did it.

[lala_rawraw]

14. If they are legs, they are made out of GOP finances

[Journeyman]

3. That's the first thing I thought of when I read the headline. . .

why were they in such an all-fire rush to off McVeigh? He was convicted, he was sentenced, and so long as Bush had control of pardon possibilities there was no doubt McVeigh would eventually die. So why not keep him around until the close of the third act, let him finger the "butler" if there were one.

There was no 'rush to judgment' -- why such a rush to retribution?

[lovuian]

4. Oh Interesting!!! Why kill McVeigh it did nothing but Hide the

truth!!! We could waited!!!

[rwenos]

6. Not So Interesting, Just Rohrabacher Pandering

Dana Rohrabacher is the worst kind of Orange County conservative. Cocky, arrogant, a virulently-partisan kife-in-the-back Republican prick. If he's into this, he wants to pin something on the Saudi's (of which there are probably three in his OC district), so he can either run for Feinstein's Senate seat next time, or get an Undersecretary post in the State Dept.

Hello! Why is the chairman of the International Relations Committee investigating a domestic terrorist?

Rohrabacher does nothing unless it screws Democrats and makes him look good in the press.

[lala_rawraw]

9. okay, the more I read this crap

the more this sounds like find something to "pin" on Iraq, make it sound like the Bushkies did not want to make "Clinton" look bad or something like that. this is crap, unless the CIA element is exposed.

[rwenos]

12. Bingo -- You Got It!

Right on the Kewpie Doll. Rohrabacher (an ex Reagan speechwriter) used to represent Palos Verdes. His district has moved south. Now it's a few pockets of Long Beach, with the rest in OC.

He's the kind of creep who wanted US forces out of Haiti (at the top of his lungs) when Clinton ordered it, and then apologized for the Bush coup d'etat attempt in Venezuela.

A political boolicker of the first water. And now he's trolling for Arabs to demonize.

I again see the hand of Karl ("Iago") Rove . . .

[lala_rawraw]

10. I say we take a look at the author

Who is either an asset or a moron.

[lala_rawraw]

8. if they were ex-iraqis, then they were working...

then they were cia assets, as all top level immigrants are. and if they were cia assets, then they were working for ....

motive i am still trying to figure out, but to simply say they were Iraqis sounds like planting seeds for something... such high level figures could not take a leak in the states w/o the CIA/SS/Feds standing over their shoulders... don't forget that Sad and his ilk were "hired" to do their jobs in Iraq.

[Julius Civitatus]

11. So much much for the "Iraqi connection" theory of the wingnuts

Remember that one? Yes, that the unsubstantiated theory by "reporter" (scoff) Jayna Davis.

For a decade the most staunch wingnuts (joined by Fox News recently) have defended this silly, unproven, conspiracy theory that Saddam was behind the Oklahoma City bombing.

For these right-wingers, terrists are only brown and foreign. A blue-eyed, blonde-haired, waspy white boy from upper New York could not possibly commit the most devastating domestic terrorist attack in US history. So they hang on to their silly ass theory, concocting new spins on it as the invasion of Iraq approached. Their biggest piece of "evidence" (scoff) was that police sketch of "John Doe #2", the mysterious guy that accompanied McVeigh during the preparations to the massacre (as described by several witnesses).

The wingnuts claimed that "John Doe #2" looked "Arabic', "middle eastern"... even "Iraqi."

Well, John Doe #2 seems like it may be some Arkansas gun nut called Roger Moore.

Surprise, surprise!

[sportndandy]

15. McVeigh? A truck bomb did that damage? Bullshit!

At least four cameras caught the events that occurred that morning. Has anyone seen them?

Do you really believe a truck bomb could have done that kind of damage?

Puh-fucking-lease!

[Celebration]

17. McVeigh in Philippines

If it is true that McVeigh visited the southern (militant) area of the Philippines several times without his wife, then it does make you wonder. Didn't he also make numerous telephone calls to the Philippines, as if asking lots of questions, perhaps about details on making a bomb? If there is a connection, it would be to al Qaeda, not Iraq.

[NNN0LHI]

19. These are home grown American terrorists. Not foreign terrorists

McVeigh was never married. I don't think he even had a girlfriend as far as I know of. I notice every time this case comes up there is someone here who tries to blame it on Arabs. There has never been any evidence of that. Only conjecture.

Don

itsjustme (100 posts) Wed May-04-05 08:40 AM
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17. McVeigh in Philippines


If it is true that McVeigh visited the southern (militant) area of the Philippines several times without his wife, then it does make you wonder. Didn't he also make numerous telephone calls to the Philippines, as if asking lots of questions, perhaps about details on making a bomb? If there is a connection, it would be to al Qaeda, not Iraq.

[Celebration]

21. sorry

I meant Nichols. Nichols went several times to the southern Philippines without his wife (who was from there). Why? I have no idea, but it seems really, really strange. Of course all this is conjecture, but that is what we do here. I think they are home grown terrorists who may have gotten some help from people with similar ultimate goals-- particularly having to do with making bombs. I am not at all convinced that they made a bomb from directions in a library book-- particularly since no such book existed in the library that McVeigh said he got it from.

[NNN0LHI]

31. No need to be sorry

I didn't believe these guys did this by themselves from the beginning I don't think anyone did. The ones pulling the strings are still out there. I have not seen any evidence of anything more than American terrorists being involved though.

I wonder if Nichols and McVeigh were in the army at the same time Eric Rudolph was in the army, and who was trained in using explosives? And whether or not the three of their paths ever crossed? And I have no evidence one way or the other, but it also is something to think about.

Don

[kskiska]

18. I just knew they'd rue the day they killed McVeigh

Ashcroft was in such a big hurry, even when new papers surfaced that his defense needed to go through. McVeigh seemed like a tough nut, but after a long prison stretch he may have had second thoughts on cohorts who escaped doing time.

[NNN0LHI]

20. They don't rue the day they killed McVeigh

McVeigh is Ashcrofts kind. They wanted him dead. Dead men tell no tales.

Don

[NNN0LHI]

22. Terry Nichols Accuses 3rd Man in Oklahoma City Bombing in Letter From Pris

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBJ98ZJB8E.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Saying he wanted to set the record straight, Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols has accused a man never charged in the 1995 attack with providing some of the explosives, according to a letter he wrote from prison.

Nichols claims Arkansas gun collector Roger Moore gave the explosives to Timothy McVeigh and also provided additional bomb components recently found in Nichols' former Kansas home, the Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

Moore could not be immediately reached for comment; he has an unpublished phone number. Moore has denied any involvement in the bombing.

In the early stages of the bombing investigation, the FBI took a hard look at Moore because of his anti-government views and close relationship with McVeigh. He was never charged.

more

[Virginian]

23. Who was John Doe Number 2?

If it wasn't Nichols who was with McVeigh when he rented the truck, then who was he?

Was this Roger Moore = John Doe 2?

[The Stranger]

24. Roger Moore as James Bond 007?

The plot thickens . . .

[johnfunk]

27. The Chimp would believe it

"The guy who sold us the binary explosives? Well, he was tall, brown hair, blue eyes, movie star good looks, had a British accent, and drank martinis - shaken, not stirred."

[BeFree]

25. "Jack Booted Thugs"

Does anyone remember the comments the right-wingers made after the bombing, saying something like the feds deserved what they got? IIRC even b41 was pissed and resigned his NRA membership.

[bunkerbuster1]

28. It was a Puerto Rican guy

He was Puerto Rican height.

[hector459]

29. Always try to protect the NRA. Gun collector?

Wonder how much of the amo was bought from NRA members across the country?

[harpo]

30. Moore "supposedly" is an FBI informant...

Who was helping to setup Nichols et al but screwed up...wouldn't it be a pounding to know the FBI could have stopped this in advance?