Tech jobs leave U.S. for India, Russia

[Nambe]

SAN JOSE, California (AP)

Like many unemployed programmers, Kerrigan blames the sour labor market on offshore outsourcing -- the migration of tech jobs to relatively low-paid contractors or locally hired employees in India, China, Russia and other developing countries.

The hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of technology jobs in recent years to cheaper workers abroad is already a fact of life -- as inevitable, U.S. executives say, as the 1980s migration of Rust Belt manufacturing jobs to Southeast Asia and Latin America.

But a new wave of technology outsourcing -- involving tasks that involve greater skills -- could be cutting to the industry's bone, threatening to prolong the three-year U.S. economic downturn. ---

Ride Don’t Drive It’s Global Cool

[NYC]

1. What are they going to do when ALL of us are unemployed?

?

[alaine]

3. Hmm...there's slavery, prostitution, indentured servitude

Actually I think they will do what they did at a textill mill in my town, (Not to mention the airline industry). Bargain down workers wages and benefits to equal third world country sweat shop levels. Of course then the economy will collapse cause there won't be any consumers that can afford to consume. But they are not thinking that far ahead, I guess...(??)

[oneighty]

9. Bargain down

The New World Order: Homogenize the workers of the world,

all workers will recieve a weekly wage regardless of time invested,

energy or skills.

Remember May Day! Workers of the world unite!

Just my opinion.

Ed

[ramapo]

21. Work in Retail

That's where the jobs are. Here in NJ they just keep building stores, giant stores. Plenty of good retail jobs. Soon we'll all work in retail for $7-8/hr. That'll be ok right? Keeps the unemployment number low.

Not long ago there was a TV Wal-mart ad from some recent college grad with two degrees or a masters or some such thing. She "decided" to go to work for Wal-Mart, helping customers. Says it all, doesn't it?

Build stores, work at building them, work in them, build more stores, etc. until there's no more space for them. Sort of like a bubble.

[paper chase guy]

2. f it...

I'm just gonna learn how to play cricket and move to india.

[classics]

4. cost of living in the us is approaching insanity

An apartment for one without rats is generally $1500-$2000 US a month in any city where a lot of tech employment is available.

How can the US ever hope to compete with places like India where someone can make $500 US a month and support a family well?

And the strangest thing is, as tech jobs flee.. the prices dont go down?!

[Systematic Chaos]

5. But rats are so fuzzy and warm and sociable!

I always thought they were a highly sought option in large cities.

:evilgrin:

[JCMach1]

6. The company I am working for --

'FOR THE MOMENT' has openened centers in Manilla and in Bangalore, India during the past year.

[Virginian]

7. I thought that working for a group that was moved to homeland security

would make my job safe. Nope. An H1-b dependent company now helps the Coast Guard keep track of their assets.

Will any of the Democrat candidates put a limit on "guest workers" who come in and take American jobs away from Americans?

[JoeMemphis]

8. Attn: DNC -- this is an issue you can divide the GOP with

If the DNC or any of the Democratic Presidential candidates do not address, I'll have to question their competency to run campaigns. This is the ultimate wedge issue to split the GOP and get an easy Dem win.

[reprobate]

11. You forget something:

The dem congresscritters are owned by the same corporations that own the repug congresscritters. Why would they voluntarilly bite the hand that feeds them.

Corporations uber alles.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. Yes, but too many Democrats agree

So I'm not looking to the leadership to do much about it. My only hope is for Gephardt or Kucinich to win, or Clark or Edwards to come out strongly for American jobs.

But you are right, this issue would drive a stake right through the heart of the Republicans.

[Neutrino]

10. Our Great Patriot and Humanitarian, Bill Gates--

led the charge to India and his hiring there continues. Well,
shoot, if Bill Gates dows it, all Corporations are at least
gonna consider it. So let's all just go to India. not.

[geebensis]

12. Anyone see Greenspan's response to this issue?

When asked today what sorts of wonderful new jobs are going to replace the ones moving offshore he said (and I paraphrase) -- no one can predict technology. Something will come up...

Maybe all those unemployed tech workers can just write a little note on their unpaid bills when they send them in: "Sorry, I'm not sending the mortgage payment this month. No one can predict technology. I'm sure you understand."

[moondust]

14. We appear to be in sync, geebensis.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[moondust]

13. Greenspan doesn't think it matters.

He was asked about it today by Reps. (Bernie Sanders was pissed!) Greenspan says it has always been the case that jobs go abroad and new jobs come along to replace them. He says you can't predict where the new jobs will be so he can't really say where that is happening now. (Not much consolation to people losing their income.)

The problem with his theory as I see it is that it will take entire new industries to replace all the jobs going abroad and I don't see even the embryonic development of entire new industries cropping up anywhere. I do recall the early development of the PC industry but there's nothing like that happening today that I know of. So we are to anticipate millions and millions of what? Geneticists? Ha!

[geebensis]

15. Geneticists and Nanotechnology Experts

What scares me is the thought that this isn't going to stop with programmers, DBA's, and tech support.

The move offshore has already begun with accounting, finance, and every kind of engineering. The whole "back office"...

Guess all we need in the US is retail sales, marketing, car mechanics, housekeepers, and a few executives.

mm

ps: thanks for the welcome. Been meaning to sign up for months now.

[cap]

16. even geneticists and nanotech experts aren't safe...

china does research in these fields too. China cracked the rice genome; not the US.

There are some cases of companies offshoring the R&D here in this country to China in these fields as well. You need a lot of labor to crunch through the tedium of bringing these technologies to fruition.

[Lucille]

17. Of course, it's not tech jobs that are outsourced

I e-mail the following to friends and family.

Until Bush cut death benefits for active duty military, I thought the fact that the GOP sent its telemarketing jobs to India said everything about this party's contempt for America and Americans, and said it in a way that everyone can understand.


http://www.business-standard.com/archives/2003/jan/50310103.016.asp
Bush’s party to raise funds via Noida, Gurgaon
Bipin Chandran in New Delhi
Business Standard, January 31, 2003

The US Republican Party now has a band of young and enthusiastic fund-raisers in Noida and Gurgaon.



HCL eServe, the business process outsourcing arm of the Shiv Nadar-promoted HCL Technologies, has bagged a project to undertake a fund-raising campaign for the US Republican Party over the telephone.



This is the first time such a project has been handed out to a company outside the US. The market research and public relations companies engaged by the party usually undertake such projects.



HCL eServe has put in place a team of 75 people to work on the project out of its call centres in Noida and Gurgaon. According to industry sources, the number of seats could be ramped up depending on the success of the campaign. These operators are required to call up people in the US seeking their support for President George W Bush and a donation for the Republican cause.

---snip

[discordian]

18. ok, now I'm going to be ill

This sucks, I want out of this country.

[geebensis]

19. Chin Up

Where are you going to go? There aren't a whole lot of countries out there bending over backwards to let foriegn nationals in to take high paying jobs away from citizens.

Most countries aren't that dumb.

You're better off sticking it out here and trying to get things changed.

mm