Afghanistan woman stoned to death

[lindsayg]

A woman has been stoned to death in Afghanistan, reportedly for committing adultery.
The killing is said to have taken place in the Urgu district of north-eastern Badakhshan province.

A local Afghan government official confirmed the death, and said the government would investigate the case.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4477003.stm

[Midnight Rambler]

1. Freedom is on the march

Yep, sure is.

:patriot:

[Bo]

37. ...and let the Eagle Soar

[Scairp]

55. Afghan Woman Killed for Alleged Adultery

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - An Afghan man killed his daughter for allegedly committing adultery, officials said Sunday, but denied reports that she was stoned to death.

Media reports had said the woman was stoned to death in the Badakhshan province by villagers who caught her in the home of a man other than her husband - a punishment allowed under Islamic law and more commonly reported under the former Taliban government. But police said the reports were mistaken and that Aslam carried out the killing alone on Thursday.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050424%2F0700451717.htm&sc=1104&ewp=ewp_news_0405afghan_women

[BattyDem]

2. I'm so glad we've brought democracy to the Middle East

It's made their lives so much better! :eyes:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

35. Wait a minute-- Didn't we free the oppressed Afghani women?

What happened? (I'd put an eye-roller in here but the smilies menu isn't working on my computer for some reason)

[Erika]

3. Woman stoned to death & the govt will investigate?

Our kids lives and tax $ at work thanks to W.

[barb162]

17. and if the stoners are actually prosecuted, the people there

will probably revolt; attitudes like this really change over night (sarcasm)

[UpInArms]

33. Afghans to use smaller pebbles for stonings

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_482578.html

Afghanistan's new rulers claim they are easing up on punishments for criminals - by stoning people with smaller pebbles.

Publicly hanged criminals will also be cut down from gibbet after 15 minutes rather than four days.

Afghanistan's government says it will still impose Sharia Islamic law but apply it less harshly than under the Taliban.

A senior judge says public executions and amputations will continue, but justice will be applied fairly and with mercy, reports Australia's ABC News Online.

...more...

We have made so much "progress" :sarcasm:

[all.of.me]

38. wow, how thoughtful.

wouldn't it just take longer to achieve the 'desired' results, which means it would be more torturous? good lord......

[barb162]

60. that's what I am thinking. I mean if it were you, wouldn't you like a

big hard rock at the head to knock you unconscious???

[all.of.me]

62. a solid cinder block, right from above. over in a second. hopefully....

[barb162]

65. LOL, but yeah

[barb162]

61. I thought you were posting a joke

I do not know how a country goes from a Sharia government run ala 700 A.D. style to a republic. Personally I don't think it is possible.

[VegasWolf]

4. Religious fanatics everywhere. n/t

[Extend a Hand]

5. What could drive a person

to participate in stoning a fellow human being to death? Are they completely lacking in empathy? It's incomprehensible to me.

[VegasWolf]

7. Easy, Religion. Witch trials, inquisition, crusades, ..., where to stop?n/

[Feli]

9. Hmm...

"During the Taleban's rule, women were regularly stoned to death for adultery."

Does a man receive the same punishment for committing adultery? (This punishment should not be permitted at all, anyway.)

[VegasWolf]

10. Of course men are not stoned. Western religion is a male dominated

hierarchy.

[Djinn]

30. actually men were stoned to death under the Taliban

for adultery, not as often as women but it did happen. Sharia punishes both men and women for sexual crimes, the Taliban were atleast consistent on this unlike our "allies" the Saudi's.

[VegasWolf]

42. Sure, but if you are commiting adultery there, do you want to be a

male or female? Must be hot for women wearing that beekeeper outfit
in order not to offend god.

[barb162]

16. I wonder if the guy committing adultery was one throwing the rocks

[Erika]

12. And our military is dying and our economy drained

for this tyoe of W ----.

[barb162]

15. that ol'time religion

[FizzFuzz]

19. women occupy a place in the social hierarchy

slightly lower than livestock.

Your friendly local fundies would like to emulate that same cultural framework.

Hooray for fundamentalism.

[Maraya1969]

27. We're not much better with the electric chair

[Extend a Hand]

58. ya know, I had to spend some time

thinking about your post before I replied.
what caused me to really recoil is the idea of actively participating in the act of torturing another humam being to death.

but maybe our implementation of the death penalty is worse (it is certainly more hypocritical) since it allows individuals to escape the responsibility for the killing.

At least here, we don't have state sponsored murder for adultery...yet. :scared:

[Tesha]

39. Probably the same thing that drives people to...

> What could drive a person to participate in stoning a fellow human being to death?

Probably the same thing that drives people to:

• Deny that condoms save lives
  
• Believe that if you don't tell them about it, kids will never discover sex
  
• Not be able to recognize that women sometimes choose abortion for good reasons
  
• Support the killing of abortion doctors
  
• Support the killers of abortion doctors
  
• Tolerate paedophile priests in their midsts
  
• Believe that sex is inherently evil
  
• Believe that there's no need to care for the planet because the "end of times" is coming
  
• Believe that it isn't murder if the state is doing the killing
  
• Believe that staving Iraqi kids is a good thing
  
• Believe that starving American kids is a good thing (as long as the kids are brown, etc.)
  
• Support the harassment of gays
  
• Support the subjugation of women
  
• Believe that the Earth was created just a few years ago just for the exclusive use of themselves
  

Shall I go on? Or do you recognize what I'm talking about?

Tesha

[MountainLaurel]

46. They don't consider women to be fully human?

Would be my first guess.

[Unions]

53. Are you pro-death penalty?

If so all you have to do is rationalize it like the pro-death crowd does state side.

[Extend a Hand]

57. no

I am against the death penalty in all cases.

[Cerridwen]

59. Read "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson (link below)

It's online (I didn't read to insure it's the complete text) so here ya go:

http://mbhs.bergtraum.k12.ny.us/cybereng/shorts/lotry.html

Incredible what atrocities we humans can commit.

[Charon]

66. What could drive

1000 years of tradition and custom unimpeded by progress. In remote rural areas of India, widows sometimes throw themselves on the husbands funeral pyre.

[Penguin31]

6. Nothing like a free, liberate society (n/t) *sarcasm*

[Erika]

8. Men can be polygamous in Afghanistan

while women have no rights. You think, Laura, the Stepford wife ever addressed this issue?

[NVMojo]

26. Fuck Laura and her $20 dime store bouffant hairdo & glazed over expression

[eowyn_of_rohan]

34. and her Jackie Kennedy wannabe wardrobe

and her covered-up murder of her boyfriend, and phony Christianity and clandestine smoking.

[aquart]

11. Yes, we've done a lot for those people.

[raysr]

13. If the

fundies have their way it might read "Woman from Alabama stoned to death for going on the 'Jerry Springer Show'".

[Erika]

14. Will this info ever make it to U.S. National News?

The conservatives want to bury anything anti-Bush.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. How long before this happens here?

In Texas? Florida? Montana?

How long before religious intolerance gains a foothold and creates roving bands of moral hit squads?

It sounds barbaric when viewed in a Middle Eastern scenario, but how far is the US from passing anti-dancing laws?

Eric Rudolph is the visible tip of the American Taliban.
In the name of the REAL God, of course.

[Erika]

20. Falwell/Robertson is the tip of the iceberg

Ashcroft felt dancing was evil.

[Wolfman 11]

23. yeah, but he didn't mind

punishing us with his godawful singing. Seriously, though, the fundamentalism in this country is chilling. I live on the front lines. Beware the Megachurches. Scary.

[Tesha]

40. "Honor killings" already *DO* happen here. (NT)

[MountainLaurel]

47. Where was the case

In the U.S. where the mother forced her 13-year-old daughter to drink bleach because the girl had admitted to having sex, while the girl's little brother begged his mother to stop?

[saltpoint]

21. How horrendous this is.

A good Secretary of State would speak harshly against those responsible for the loss of this woman's life and roundly condemn the barbarian attitude that killed her.

It's pre-Old Testament thinking.

Somebody give Condi a call and tell her to get on the stick.

[Erika]

22. You think Condi will acknowledge it?

What's her take going to be? Bushspeak " We are so successful, we've limited womens death so dramatically". We will continue on our successful course so even less women will die. Laura & Babs will be showing up soon offering books. Babs will be wearing sunglasses so she won't waste her beautiful mind on dead Afghani women.

[Wolfman 11]

24. No.

I don't think she really cares about anything but her own pocketbook. If the last 4 years showed me anything, that was a big part of it.

[NVMojo]

25. stone the stoners!!! Jerkholes!

BTW, tell me again why we invaded Afghanistan??? Seems so long ago now and it's all about Iraq, right???

[Erika]

28. We invaded Afghanistan to capture OBL. Remember?

No OBL, and the press is still not picking up on this about the Afghani woman. Iraq? Iraq who?

[VegasWolf]

43. Yes, that was their excuse. But as soon as Karzai, the former oil exec,

was put in place by the Booze cartel, that Caspian Sea Oil pipeline
that the oil companies had tried to put in place for a decade suddenly was completed.

[Tesha]

41. It was for the oil and the opium. (NT)

[Djinn]

29. A friend of mine recently returned

from Afghanistan where he'd been working for an Australian aid agency. He confirmed for me what I'd already gleaned from reading, that outside of Kabul NOTHING has changed in Afghanistan except that now people have to try and protect themselves from harm from the warlords, fundies AND foreign forces.

However he also made it very clear that even in Kabul things have improved little for the Afghan people, particularly for women.

Instead of a muderous theocracy they now have a murderous kleptocracy. The ONLY thing the US invasion achieved was to make the place more amenable for a select group of rich westerners to profit from it. The Taliban may have been "officially" ousted however in reality they control almost as much of Afghanistan as they did before (it's not like they had international recognition before so very little has changed) warlords still rule the areas they previously terrorised, women are STILL chatels, there is no infrastructure, virtually no education system, virtually no working medical system, no employment.

Either the US invasion was a complete and total failure or it's objectives were only ever about money, I tend to think it's the latter.

[Frederik]

50. Wow, thanks

for that report. Sounds like things are even worse than I expected. I can't say I'm surprised though.

[Maat]

68. No doubt in my mind that it was all about money.

I just watched the DVD, "Hijacking Castastrophe." Coincidentally, if you draw a line on a map between our permanent bases - it seems to be right on where they want The Oil Pipeline.

[NNN0LHI]

31. But the new Afghan government did say they would use smaller stones

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=12602

<snip>The details were fleshed out by Judge Ahamat Ullha Zarif, who has told the French news agency Agence France Presse that public executions and amputations will continue, but there will be changes: "For example, the Taliban used to hang the victim's body in public for four days. We will only hang the body for a short time, say 15 minutes."

Kabul's sports stadium, financed by the International Monetary Fund, was where the Taliban used to carry out public executions and amputations every Friday. No longer. "The stadium is for sports. We will find a new place for public executions," he said.

Judge Zarif makes it clear that the ultimate penalty will remain in force for adulterers, both male and female. They would still be stoned to death, Zarif told the French news agency, "but we will use only small stones."

Now there's progress!

[rodeodance]

32. the stoning decree came from the local clergy-is SUSPOSE to go to

the local courts.


This is from the initial post:

...The Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission said the woman had been sentenced to death by a decree from the local religious scholar.

Under Afghan law, cases such as this should go through the local courts.

A reporter for the BBC Pashto service in Afghanistan said the woman's husband recently returned from Iran after five years away.

The wife asked for a separation on the grounds that her husband could not support her.

[smirkymonkey]

36. How civilized.

Well, I guess if it goes through the courts, then it's fine to stone a woman to death.

These people are barbaric. Fuck cultural differences, this is a pointless, disgusting murder and the way they treat women is abomninable.

We were wrong to go in there, but Shaira "law" is not the fault of the US government. (I am not attacking you, but this sickening practice of murdering women for behaving like human beings.)

[daleo]

51. This hardly seems like a mercy - using smaller stones.

Wouldn't it just take longer to be killed? If anything this strikes me (unfortunate pun) as a little extra cruelty.

[VegasWolf]

44. New Religious Decree - All stones must be less than 3 cm in diameter.

[smirkymonkey]

64. "Ehh, all right. Two points, ah, two flats, and a packet of gravel."

[MountainLaurel]

45. Where is Laura Bush now?

:shrug:

[Kerrytravelers]

48. Didn't laura * go over there to save them the other day?

Gave some little nothing speeches in some safe areas, forced a botox smile for the camera and come home to same day?

Yes, the * administration cares about women. If laura didn't toe the line, they'd stone her, too.

[daleo]

49. Stone adulterers...blow up abortion clinics.

It is all on a continuum. In both cases the government "promises to investigate", while courting the very people who implicitly condone these values.

[LiberalFighter]

52. Has Laura *bush committed adultery?

[apple_ridge]

54. Every night just like Jimmy Carter did once.

[LiberalFighter]

63. You mean trying to imagine what it would be like to have real sex

with a real man and actually have sex?

[Triana]

56. How long before ...

...the American Taliban do this to women in the US, too?

[Zerex71]

67. So is half of California.

:)