Neil Bush, Ratzinger co-founded Geneva religious board (Newsday)

[JackRiddler]

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wochar214226829apr21,0,2092802,print.story

NEWSDAY, Thursday, April 21, 2005

THE NEW POPE BENEDICT XVI
Neil Bush, Ratzinger co-founders
President's younger brother served with then-cardinal on board of relatively unknown ecumenical foundation

BY KNUT ROYCE AND TOM BRUNE
WASHINGTON BUREAU

April 21, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Neil Bush, the president's controversial younger brother, six years ago joined the cardinal who this week became Pope Benedict XVI as a founding board member of a little known Swiss ecumenical foundation. The charter members of the board were all well-known international religious figures, except for Bush and his close friend and business partner, Jamal Daniel, whose family has extensive holdings in the United States and Switzerland, public records show.

(snip)

Gary Vachicouras, a theologian and foundation official in Geneva, would not explain in a telephone interview yesterday why Bush, who has no clear public connection to religious causes, was on the first board.

(snip)

The foundation, based at the Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Geneva, is listed by Dun & Bradstreet business credit reports as a management trust for purposes other than education, religion, charity or research. But Vachicouras said the designation must be a mistake of translation to English because the foundation is a private nonprofit established under Swiss law. He said the foundation is being "relaunched" on its mission to publish the original text of the Bible's Old Testament in Hebrew, its New Testament in Greek and the Quran in Arabic.

Fatio, who left the board three years ago, said the foundation "never had any money." Vachicouras declined to discuss finances. He said, "We keep a low profile because that makes it easier to get work done."

Copyright � 2005, Newsday, Inc.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wochar214226829apr21,0,2092802,print.story

[PleadTheFirst]

1. So it's official, then ...

the new Pope is a Bush appointee.

Great. :sarcasm:

[Frances]

2. And the Bush family

bought off this pope so that he would essentially endorse Bush for president in 2004.

[EFerrari]

14. I don't think that was Pope Paul, it was this guy all along.

Just a hunch because, Paul was really ill for quite a while before his death. During the run up to the election, Paul was already having trouble.

On the other hand, maybe they did a good cop, bad cop thing?

[Frances]

36. I meant this pope because it was this pope who was on

the committee with Neil Bush the man who slept with Asian prostitutes and then divorced his wife for another woman. And that was after he cost the U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars in the savings loan scandal.

A lovely family, the Bush family.

[EFerrari]

48. Oh, I see now. Yes, our first family. Charmers all. n/t

[piece sine]

62. those Bushes sure do get around

around and around and around.

[havocmom]

101. During the last few days of JPII's life, there was a ticker on MSNBC

saying how many new appointments he had just made and how many resignations he had just accepted.

I said to my self: 'Amazing work load for a man most medical experts suggested was probably nearly comatose!'

Ratzinger made sure the ducks were in line. The cartel wouldn't look good if there was another messy JPI incident.

[glitch]

132. Yep. nt

[Zorra]

35. My gripe with "Pope Neocon I" is that it appears that he deliberately

wrote a very questionably (illogically) reasoned memorandum trashing John Kerry that was distributed to American Catholic Bishops and was made public 2 months before the 2004 election. This action, in reality and practicality, was an action that may have helped a dangerous fascist retain power in the US.

This memorandum was apparently distributed at this time in order to discourage Catholics in the US from voting for John Kerry.

If this memorandum was not a direct attempt to discourage Catholics in the US from voting for John Kerry, than IMO an explanation is in order from the Vatican.

Because the Vatican has a notorious history of not opposing, and actually collaborating, with dangerous fascists:

Seventy years ago a fateful meeting occurred in Rome. The Vatican�s secretary of state, Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pope Pius XII), and Germany�s vice chancellor, Franz von Papen, formally signed a concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich on July 20, 1933. This event ended negotiations that began after Adolf Hitler became Germany�s chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933. Among the witnesses to this event were Msgr. Giovanni Battista Montini (the future Pope Paul VI) and Msgr. Ludwig Kaas, the leader of Germany�s Catholic Center Party. Neither Pope Pius XI nor Hitler attended the meeting; both had already approved of the concordat. The pope ratified the agreement two months later on Sept. 10. The Concordat of 1933 specified the church�s rights in the Third Reich.
snip----
The concordat was also flawed in its timing and implementation. Cardinal Pacelli signed the agreement too early in the regime�s history, for this treaty gave Hitler the international respectability he craved. The signing of the concordat also demoralized German Catholics, who had stood with their bishops in opposing National Socialism from the early 1920�s until March 28, 1933. On that date the bishops, relying on Hitler�s solemn pledge to make �the two churches the cornerstone of our work of national renewal,� rescinded their bans against membership in the Nazi Party. Pius XI and Pacelli may have operated in the best interests of the church as an institution, but they implicitly diminished the church as an advocate of human rights and justice. Here was one of the ill effects of the ecclesiology of perfect society. The metaphor of the church as a medieval castle or a Gothic cathedral so dominated Catholic thought that it lessened the role of the church as a proponent of universal human values as embodied in natural law.
snip-----
The pope and the bishops now have theological resources that call them to promote human rights, even when their efforts jeopardize ecclesiastical structures. Pope John Paul II is conveying this rich ecclesiology in his inspiring statements and actions for the dignity of all people. The bishops are usually doing the same, though some have placed the interests of the institutional church ahead of the well-being of the victims of sexual abuse. If the Holy See and the bishops were facing the Third Reich today, one hopes they would be impelled by Vatican II�s ecclesiology to act differently than Pius XI, Cardinal Pacelli and the German bishops did in 1933.

http://www.americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=3131&issueID=448

Yes, apparently (we hope) the Vatican did not recognize how dangerous Hitler was to the world at the time. Just as they do not seem to recognize how dangerous Bush is to the world at this time.

[Zhade]

67. "In nineteen hundred thirty-three, Hitler collaborated with the Holy See."

I wonder, did the RCC autocracy see Hitler as a way to launch a covert Crusade-by-proxy against the Jewish people?

[seventythree]

96. wow!

[calimary]

39. Dear GOD, these people have tentacles EVERYWHERE.

The world is NOT safe.

[Megahurtz]

146. We're definitely not safe.

:(

[stevedeshazer]

102. Even worse, the Bush ties to the Pope and the Nazis goes way back

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/bush-j05.shtml

[Vitruvius]

149. Yup, Ratz helped re-install Bu$h in '04; see kskiska's thread at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x120742

What I didn't know was that Ratzinger was such an obvious BFEE operative -- that phony BFEE frontorganization is so obvious.

These bums (Bu$h and the Ratz) aren't even subtle...

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Naw, it's just another one of those coincidences that we're supposed to..

ignore.;)

[central scrutinizer]

30. no, they were just comparing notes

on how to cover up pedophilia.

[dchill]

64. funny

That could only be funny if it weren't true...

Nah. It's still funny.

[AuntiBush]

97. Un-Fricked Real...How does this make me feel, well....

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:
:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

Need I say more. Disgusting. Vile. Wicked. Evil.

:banghead:

[Megahurtz]

140. Most likely so.

:(

[ewagner]

3. ???????

Neil doesn't do anything unless it involves money (for Neil) or sex (for Neil) or political advantage for his family (which translates into money, or sex for Neil).

This is somewhat suspicious....but maybe I'm just gunshy about the whole frickin bush family....

[rodeodance]

10. well, you know he jumped into the publishing of school textbooks just

as the NCLB bill was passed. most are not textbooks per say-but books for teachers to help students pass the national tests.
This Swiss thing had the intent to publish--so maybe this is the link.

[ewagner]

12. You may be right

but what bothers me most is that these guys work in an oblique way and we generally don't know how devious they are/were until the plot is well under way.....

[Eloriel]

24. There's a plot there, all right

There's NOTHING that these people have ever done that isn't motivated by greed or politics or both. Nothing. And there never will be. If there ever APPEARS to be, you either have to dig lots deeper, or just scratch the surface because it may be just one of those photo op things meant to enhance reputations, not really get anything good for anyone else accomplished.

[ewagner]

29. See? That's why I hate

the way things are right now....you're absolutely right. You can't trust the Bushies as far as you can throw them so every action, move or effort they make has to be looked upon with GREAT suspicion.

Hence, we are back to KENTUCK'S question earlier today: Where is this all going?

[Megahurtz]

147. Probably to the Bush Klan's

"New World Order"

[reprobate]

112. Yes, and the state of Fla gives Neil $3.00 per student per year.

It's mad Neil $3 Billion so far from what I've read thru google. The entire family has the gonnif gene in them. From both sides of the family.

[delete_bush]

5. Little Fredo Bush

just keeps popping up all over the place.

[Southsideirish]

28. Brilliant!!

[Az_lefty]

6. Oh this smells...

a group that's going to publish the Bible in ancient languages but has no money. Let me guess, Bush and his friend are the money guys.

[Fridays Child]

11. And keeps a low profile to get its "work" done.

Move along. Nothing to see here. Yeah, right.

[Junkdrawer]

73. Pope Oops the First...

Whadda know, the smoke was black after all...What we really meant to say was....

[NYC]

109. Purposes other than religion, education, charity, or research.

...The foundation, based at the Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Geneva, is listed by Dun & Bradstreet business credit reports as a management trust for purposes other than education, religion, charity or research...

Management trust? Managing what?

[LisaM]

7. Geeze.....what's next with this guy?

It's one story after another today.

[whatelseisnew]

8. recommended

[wildmanj]

9. neil bush on board

must have been his personality :hippie:

[understandinglife]

13. Did I hear some one say money and laundry...naw, couldn't be....

....www.missionnotacomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN..........)

[Straight Shooter]

15. Give it a little more time, the new Pope will be nicknamed "The Rat"

:banghead:

[saigon68]

46. He is now being called "Rat Face" or "Rat Man:"

The Norway rats of the world are pissed at being compared to this religious god fearing man </sarcasm>

[mitchum]

75. Or "Ratfucker" in my household

[saigon68]

87. Yikes

But I guess if the show fits :-)

[DemBones DemBones]

120. What a classy household you have.

:eyes:

[mitchum]

141. Thanks!

[mitchum]

145. Well, I'm a sure a few sacred hearts and garish paintings of Mary...

would really class the place up...

[AndyTiedye]

93. Or, More Formally, Pope Maledict I

[Rich Hunt]

107. LOL

That's a good one!

:spray:

[demnan]

16. Interesting

Well, well, well, what busy little bees we have here.

[demo dutch]

17. Yep, the reason why * is the first American president to attend

the pope's funeral

[progressivebydesign]

76. I thought that was really wierd... can't go to military funerals, tho n/t

[Fridays Child]

18. Spin, JP II, spin.

[me b zola]

19. It certainly explains a lot.

The letter from then Cardinal Ratzinger to American Diocese during the '04 elections demanding that they deny Communion to political leaders who support a woman's right to choose was way over the top, and now I understand why.

[ewagner]

32. Damn! good call... n/t

[saigon68]

58. Rat Face is right in the middle of US politics

He only cares about his sordid personal agenda

[Spazito]

20. I am sure it is just because Neil is a pious Catholic

who's only interest is serving the poor and believes in the sanctity of marriage and that sex is only to be performed within the marriage, right? Oh, wait....

from the above article:

"In his highly publicized divorce last year, Bush revealed he and Daniel are co-chairs of Texas-based Crest Investment Co., which pays him $60,000 a year for consulting. Recently, Crest Investment officials used Bush's name as a reference in cutting an exclusive deal with Texas officials on construction of a liquid natural gas storage facility that will guarantee Crest payments of at least $2 million a year, according to the Los Angeles Times.

In the divorce proceedings, Bush also revealed that while he was in a hotel in Asia, women on at least three occasions came into his room and had sex with him. Daniel hosted Bush's second wedding at his home."

Must have been another reason Neil is involved, wonder what it could be?

[DemBones DemBones]

119. Neil Bush is NOT Catholic. JEB Bush is Catholic, converting because he

married a Catholic. The Bush kids were all brought up in the Episcopal Church -- this family's religious affiliations have been reported many times.

As far as piety goes, I'm not sure any of the Bushes have any, though I know nothing about their sister, Dorothy. She's mentioned even less than brother Marvin.

[Spazito]

139. LOL, I was pretty sure he wasn't, I put it in my post

only to point out that Neil is none of the above, including even being a Catholic, with regard to being a partner to the new Pope. In fact, he is the antithesis of what this Pope says we all should be yet he is in partnership with him. Why, one has to wonder?

[demo dutch]

21. We'll then you goota think that JP II was in on it as well, afterall

he "burned" all his papers and apprently had great influence on who was going to be the next Pope. Unless JP was totally out of it (but I don't think so!)

[reality based]

22. CIA?

[warrens]

23. Ever seen those old political cartoons...

That show an evil-looking octopus atop the earth with its tentacles reaching everywhere? Usually, they were labeled "Fascism" or "communism" or "the Jews" or in the National Lampoon's case, "the Dutch."

Time to bring that baby out of retirement and label it "BFEE." Is there ANY evil Nazi these punks AREN'T in bed with? The bin Ladens, the House of Saud, Musharref, the Nazi Pope...it just goes on and on and on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. This is one of those days I am having problems disregarding

the posibility that .... the Illuninati don't exist. Damn this is too good to be true... a link we got it...

So it is time to TAX the Church... they want to play in the public sphere, sure they have to be taxed...

Neil sure gets around, I am starting to think that Neil is the true power behind the bush family power these days, the heir of the Bush Family Power...

[KittyWampus]

85. Neil 'Silverado' Bush & Ratzinger Were Laudering Money For Whom?

who who who???

[havocmom]

99. Neil 'How'd those hookers get in here' Bush and the soon to be Pope?

From the article:
<snip> Fatio, who left the board three years ago, said the foundation "never had any money." Vachicouras declined to discuss finances.

<snip> He said, "We keep a low profile because that makes it easier to get work done." *

*Oh, I would guess so! World domination is something you wanna keep under your miter til it's a done deal

[Megahurtz]

148. Of course they exist!.......

Check out the Bush Klan: (this is not the only site about this)

http://www.trosch.org/msn/mason-graphics.html

[Massachusetts]

26. Whats next?

[Walt Starr]

27. OKAY, THAT'S IT!!! Time to save the children...

[VOX]

31. Well, now, ain't this cozy as hell.

The * family has been likened to the Corleones, and every passing day brings the resemblance into sharper focus.

[Solly Mack]

33. additional links

Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate (note contact info)

http://www.globethics.net/globethics/entreprise/entreprise-view?group_id=8105

About GlobEthics Link:
http://www.globethics.net/about-globethics/

Where they claim they get money from:

Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation
http://web.mit.edu/urbanupgrading/upgrading/resources/organizations/sdc.html

Bread for All
http://www.wsis-online.net/smsi/organization/organization-view?group_id=196996

as well as private donors, etc.

From the main link you will find this group -link- (part of the network of groups found on main page)

Justice, Peace, and Creation

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/jpc/index-e.html

There's a lot more links to follow from the main page of GlobEthics

Globalization seems to be a theme

Info on the :Establishment of the Institute for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-552645_ITM&referid=2090

Prince El Hassan bin Talal, Jordan
http://www.wmdcommission.org/sida.asp?ID=50

[dave29]

40. Chateau de Bossey

Headquarters

1999 October - http://gbgm-umc.org/mission/news/Umns102899lbsc.html

Making a substantial commitment to future ecumenical leadership, the United Methodist Board of Global Ministries is contributing $1.5 million to the World Council of Churches' (WCC) Ecumenical Institute in Bossey, Switzerland.

The money will be used to endow a chair in mission at the institute, which is popularly known as "Bossey" from its location in the historic Chateau de Bossey overlooking Lake Geneva.

---

So,

Neil Bush joins in 1999. A 1.5 million dollar donation comes from the United Methodist Church in 1999. George W. Bush is a United Methodist Church member.

[dave29]

47. More on the WCC

Where have I heard this before???

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/who/index-e.html

What is the World Council of Churches?
The World Council of Churches (WCC) is the broadest and most inclusive among the many organized expressions of the modern ecumenical movement, a movement whose goal is Christian unity.

The WCC brings together more than 340 churches, denominations and church fellowships in over 100 countries and territories throughout the world, representing some 400 million Christians and including most of the world's Orthodox churches, scores of denominations from such historic traditions of the Protestant Reformation as Anglican, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist and Reformed, as well as many united and independent churches. While the bulk of the WCC's founding churches were European and North American, today most are in Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, Latin America, the Middle East and the Pacific.

[dave29]

52. and of course, the WCC asks it's members to donate to these swiss banks

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/membership/accounts.html

Whenever possible, please use the UBS accounts.
Please include in any transfer the reason for payment, together with the reference number of the pledge or invoice.

UNION DE BANQUES SUISSES (UBS)
P.O. Box 2600
CH-1211 Geneva 2
Switzerland
Swift code: UBSWCHZH12A
CHF account: CH37 240-695149.00A
IBAN: CH37 0024 0240 6951 4900 A
EUR account: CH59 240-695149.61D
IBAN: CH59 0024 0240 6951 4961 D
USD account: CH85 240-695149.60X
IBAN: CH85 0024 0240 6951 4960 X
GBP account: CH94 240-695149.75K
IBAN: CH94 0024 0240 6951 4975 K
NOK account: CH40 240-695149.76J
IBAN: CH40 0024 0240 6951 6976 J
SEK account: CH30 240-695149.72H
IBAN: CH30 00240 0240 6951 4972 H
CAD account: CH40 240 695149.74P
IBAN: CH40 0024 0240 6951 4974 P

Swiss francs (CHF)
World Council of Churches
Compte de ch�ques postaux: Gen�ve 12-572-3

Euros (EUR)

UBS Wealth Management AG
Postfach 10 20 42
D-60020 Frankfurt am Main
Germany
Account no: 2061661015
BLZ: 50220085
Swift code: SMHBDEFF
IBAN: DE35 5022 0085 2061 6610 15

ABN-AMRO Bank N.V.
Postbus 407
NL-1000 AK Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Account no: 54 03 55 313
IBAN: NL94 ABNA 0540355 313

Edit to add note on page:

Note: If possible, please use UBS rather than Lloyds, Bankers Trust or TD Canada Trust. Remittances reach the WCC much more quickly through UBS � and there is ample space for accompanying text (name of sender and reason for payment), which is not the case with the other banks.
In the event of using a bank other than UBS, please be sure to send a covering message to the WCC.

[Solly Mack]

54. and we all know the history of UBS and the Bush family

Gawds...figures

[tanyev]

69. Christian "unity"?

I wonder if there are any ties to Rev. Moon also. Wouldn't surprise me. I'll have to do some googling later.

[Huckebein the Raven]

90. That's what I'm wondering

wouldn't suprise me either if there is

[Solly Mack]

50. Good find!

[lonestarnot]

115. OK! Why shouldn't this be enough... any more of the money trail?

[dave29]

34. Jesus Christ.

n/t

[havocmom]

104. Jesus wept (n/t)

[paineinthearse]

37. The Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue

I didn't see the foundation name in the post so got it from the Newsday article.

Googling the name in "news", I found one realted article in the Austin Business Journal. It's basically a summary of the Newday report.

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2005/04/18/daily37.html

LATEST NEWS
Austin Business Journal - 10:47 AM CDT Thursday

Report: Neil Bush served on foundation board with new pope
Neil Bush, president of an Austin company that produces educational software, six years ago joined the cardinal who this week became Pope Benedict XVI as a founding director of a religious foundation in Switzerland, New York's Newsday reported Thursday.

Bush, brother of President Bush and president of Ignite Inc., no longer is on the board of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue, which was organized in 1999, the newspaper says. The foundation promotes ecumenical understanding and publishes religious texts.

Neil Bush and then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger were among the foundation's original board members, Newsday says. All the charter board members were high-profile international religious figures, except for Bush and one of his business partners, Jamal Daniel, the newspaper says.

Gary Vachicouras, a foundation official in Geneva, Switzerland, couldn't explain why Bush, who doesn't have strong public ties to religious causes, sat on the original board. Neither Bush nor Daniel could be reached for comment.

Bravo to Newsday for doing some investagative journalism. Now the question is "will corporate media pick this up"?

[paineinthearse]

43. ...and on the web

Google "Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue":

Home
... Bureau for Humanitarian Issues, and a Founding Member and Vice-Chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue. ...
www.southcentre.org/introduction/hrhprincehassan.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Routes of Faith: International Conference on Interreligious Dialogue
... u Fran�ois Ruegg, Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Switzerland). u Nantasarn Seealab, Secretary-general, ...
www.unesco.org/culture/dialogue/ religion/html_eng/uzbekistan4.shtml - 45k - Cached - Similar pages

Convergences spirituelles et dialogue interculturel
File Format: Microsoft Word 97 - View as HTML
... Hsi Lai University, California, USA (Sri Lanka); Fran�ois Ruegg, Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Switzerland) ...
www.auroville.info/youth/docs/conference%202000.doc - Similar pages

NTI: Board of Directors: HRH Prince El Hassan bin Talal
... Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Geneva) and Member of the Board of Trustees of the International Crisis Group. ...
www.nti.org/b_aboutnti/b1n.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Jordanian prince to discuss future of Middle East
... the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue, Geneva; and president of Jordan�s Higher Council for Science and Technology. ...
www.news.uiuc.edu/news/02/0325princevisit.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

"Jordanian Christians are Fully Integrated" - Middle East ...
... El-Hassan: Sure: The Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Geneva is about to produce the holy books of the three ...
www.meforum.org/article/20 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

Observer Newspaper - News
... In 1999, he helped found and acted as Vice Chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Geneva, ...
www.nd.edu/~observer/04042003/News/5.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

WMDC - The Weapons Of Mass Destruction Commission
... Property Organization, Founding Member, Vice Chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Geneva). ...
www.wmdcommission.org/sida.asp?ID=50 - 37k - Cached - Similar pages

Is King Abdullah the Antichrist? Part I of II
... vice-chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Geneva, a board member of the Council on Foreign Relations ...
jesus-is-the-way.com/Antichrist.html - 218k - Cached - Similar pages

Websites of Inter-religious
... Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Geneva, Switzerland. The Incarnation Monastery ...
www.catholic.org.tw/cirpcu/Eng/web.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

cas : events : millercomm lecture series : spring 2002
... Moderator, World Conference on Religion and Peace; and Vice Chairman, Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Geneva) ...
www.cas.uiuc.edu/MCarchiveSP02.html - 42k - Cached - Similar pages

Der neue Pr�sident des Club of Rome -
... und die UNHCR involviert und bekleidet das Amt des Vizepr�sidenten der Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Genf). ...
www.inter-cultural.de/artikel/artikel02.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages

Universit�t T�bingen - Presse- und �ffentlichkeitsarbeit -
... Gremien wie dem Executive Committee of the Club of Rome und der Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Genf t�tig. ...
www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/qvo/pm/pm431.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

Routes of Faith: International Conference on Interreligious ...
... USA (Sri Lanka). u Fran鏾is Ruegg, Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Switzerland). u Nantasarn ... mirror.eschina.bnu.edu.cn/Mirror2/unesco/ www.unesco.org/culture/dialogue/religion/html_eng/uzbekistan4.html - 45k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

Regione Toscana - Primapagina
... committees and organisations, including the UNHCR, the Club of Rome, the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue, UNESCO, World ... www.regione.toscana.it/primapagina/ pp_agenda.php?CODICE=1735&SOTT_C=31 - 37k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

Jordanian Prince To Discuss Mid East Future
... moderator of the World Conference on Religion and Peace; vice chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue in Geneva ...
www.ichampaign.com/news/printer.cfm/articleID/427561 - 4k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

Prince EL Hassan Bin Talal
... Bureau for Humanitarian Issues; Founding Member and Vice Chairman of the Foundation
for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Geneva); Member ...
www.alhelalat.8m.com/contact.html - 16k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

[paineinthearse]

49. Directors

Biographies of the founding directors.

[paineinthearse]

53. Prince El Hassan bin Talal, Jordan

http://www.wmdcommission.org/sida.asp?ID=50


Prince El Hassan bin Talal, Jordan

Chairman of the Arab Thought Forum, President of the Club of Rome, Moderator of the World Conference for the World Intellectual Property Organization, Founding Member, Vice Chairman of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (Geneva). Member of the Board of Trustees of the International Crisis Group. Co-chair of the Independent Commission on International Humanitarian Issues.

http://www.elhassan.org/main/biography.htm


His Royal Highness Prince El Hassan bin Talal

His Royal Highness Prince El Hassan bin Talal was born in Amman on 20th March 1947, the youngest son of the then Crown Prince Talal bin Abdullah and Princess Zein El Sharaf bint Jamil, later King Talal and Queen Zein El Sharaf. His Royal Highness is the younger brother of His Majesty the late King Hussein. Their branch of the Hashemite family is directly descended from the Prophet Muhammad and is the forty-second generation.


Prince El Hassan had his early schooling in Amman, largely with tutors. He then went to Summer Fields School in England, and later to Harrow, graduating from Christ Church, Oxford University with a BA (Hon) in Oriental Studies, followed by an MA. His Royal Highness has also been awarded the Honorary Degree of Science, Boszi�i University, Turkey (1981); Honorary Degree of Doctor of Civil Law, University of Durham (1990); Honorary Degree of Doctor of Humane Letters, Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies, Chicago, Illinois (1995); Honorary Degree of Doctor of Letters, University of Ulster, Northern Ireland (1996); Honorary Doctorate from Moscow State Institute for International Relations (1997); Doctorate of Laws, University of Birmingham (1999); Honorary Doctorate from Bilkent University, Turkey (1999); Honorary Degree of Doctor of Laws (Hon LLB) from the University of Hertfordshire (2000): an Honorary Doctorate of Theology from the Faculty of Catholic Theology at the Eberhard-Karls-University in T�Eingen, Germany (2001); Honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters, University of Oklahoma (2002); Honorary Doctorate, University of York, (2002) and Honorary Doctorate of Laws, University of Portsmouth (2002). Prince El Hassan received the Abu Bakr Al-Siddique Medal of the Organisation of Arab Red Crescent and Red Cross Societies in September 1996 and the 1995 Science and Society Prize in Madrid in 1997. In April 2001, His Royal Highness received the inaugural Gandhi/King/Ikeda Community Builders Prize at the Martin Luther King, Jr. International Chapel during Morehouse College's International Reconciliation Sunday. His Royal Highness was awarded the Distinguished Foreign Visitor Award at the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation in Boston in April 2002, and in June 2003, His Royal Highness received the 2003 Rabbi Marc H. Tanenbaum Award for the Advancement of Interreligious Understanding.

His Royal Highness was officially invested as Crown Prince to the Hashemite Throne of Jordan in April 1965. Since then, and until the changes in succession brought about by His Majesty the late King Hussein in January 1999, he had served as the King's closest political advisor, confidant and deputy, as well as acting as Regent in the King's absence from the country.

Prince El Hassan initiated, founded and is actively involved in a number of Jordanian and international institutes and committees. In Jordan he chaired the committees overseeing the first development plan 1973-1975, and subsequently the three development plans of 1976-1980, 1981-1985 and 1986-1990. His Royal Highness founded the Royal Scientific Society in 1970; the annual Bilad Al-Sham Conference in 1978; the Al al-Bait Foundation in 1980; the Arab Thought Forum in 1981 and the Jordan Higher Council for Science and Technology in 1987. His Royal Highness established the Islamic Scientific Academy; the Triannual Conferences on the History and Archaeology of Jordan; the Hashemite Aid and Relief Agency; the Centre for Educational Development; the Institute for Diplomacy and the Al al-Bait University in Mafraq.

Always interested in young people, and believing in the importance of their community, His Royal Highness founded the Forum Humanum in 1982 (renamed, in 1988, the Arab Youth Forum); the Crown Prince Award in 1984 (renamed the El Hassan Youth Award in 1999), and its affiliate programme, the Sabilat El Hassan in 1988.

On the international stage, many of Prince El Hassan's ideas and initiatives have acted as a catalyst. Addressing the 36th Session of the United Nations in 1981, His Royal Highness proposed the establishment of the New International Humanitarian Order, which led to a request by the Secretary General to found and co-chair the Independent Commission on International Humanitarian Issues (ICIHI). The final report of the Commission was adopted as a resolution at the 42nd General Assembly.A new initiative, the International Cultures Foundation was established in July 2002 to promote understanding among different cultures and to enhance dialogue between their thinkers and intellectuals. Its functions will be carried out through the Parliament of Cultures, located in Turkey and jointly founded by His Royal Highness and Professor Ihsan Dogramaci, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Bilkent University. The first Assembly of the Parliament of Cultures will take place in December 2003. In July 2003, as a joint initiative with John Marks from Search for Common Ground (SFCG), His Royal Highness launched Partners in Humanity. This project aims to improve understanding, build positive relationships and promote dialogue between the Muslim world and the U.S.

Prince El Hassan chairs and is a member of a number of international committees and organisations. These include: President of the Club of Rome (1999); President of the Board of Directors for the Center for Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution at the University of Oklahoma International Programs Center, USA; Co-Chair of the Independent Bureau for Humanitarian Issues; Member of the International Board of the Council on Foreign Relations; Member of the Board of Directors of the Nuclear Threat Initiative, Washington, DC (2002); Member of the Board of the South Centre (2001) and member of the Committee of Notables of the Institut Catal�Ede la Mediterr�nia (2001). His Royal Highness served as Chairman of the Policy Advisory Commission for the World Intellectual Property Organisation from 1999-2002; was a Member of the Executive Committee of the International Crisis Group; was an Honorary Member of UNESCO World Commission on Culture and Development; was a Member of the Committee of UNESCO International Interreligious Advisory Committee and was a Member of the Informal Advisory Group to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

In the field of religion, His Royal Highness' contacts and meetings have evolved into a systematic interfaith dialogue, primarily consisting of three ongoing consultations with the Orthodox Centre of the Ecumenical Patriarchate at Chambesy, Switzerland; the Pontifical Council for Inter-religious dialogue at the Vatican; and the Independent Commission on Christian-Muslim-Jewish Relations through the aegis of the Deanery of Windsor. In Jordan, His Royal Highness established the Royal Institute for Inter-Faith Studies in 1994 to complement these activities. In November, 1999 at the 7th World Assembly of the World Conference on Religion and Peace (WCRP), held in Amman, Prince El Hassan accepted the position of Moderator of the WCRP.

Decorated by over twenty nations, His Royal Highness is the holder of the Order of Al Hussein bin Ali, Jordan's highest decoration. He also held the rank of Honorary General in the Jordanian Armed Forces.

Prince El Hassan is the author of seven books:

A Study on Jerusalem (1979) (English)
Palestinian Self-Determination (1981) (English; Arabic)
Search for Peace (1984) (English; Arabic)
Christianity in the Arab World (1994) (English; Arabic; French; Greek; Spanish; Russian; German)
Essere Musulmano - Co-author (2001) (Italian; French and Spanish. Soon to be released in English)
Continuity, Innovation and Change: Selected Essays (2001)
In Memory of Faisal I: The Iraqi Question (2003) (Arabic)

His Royal Highness has been a prolific contributor to newspapers, magazines, periodicals as well as publications on regional and international issues.


Fluent in Arabic, English and French, His Royal Highness studied Biblical Hebrew as part of his degree course, and has a working knowledge of German, Spanish and Turkish.

His Royal Highness married Her Royal Highness Princess Sarvath in 1968. Princess Sarvath comes from a distinguished family of the Indian-subcontinent. They are blessed with three daughters: Princesses Rahma, Sumaya and Badiya, and a son, Prince Rashid; and with five grandchildren - Tariq, Zein El Sharaf, Ali, Sukayna and Aisha.

Prince El Hassan has actively promoted sports within the Kingdom. As President of the Federations for Martial Arts, Polo and Squash, His Royal Highness has overseen the development of these three activities to competitive international levels. In addition to holding a 6th Dan Black Belt in tae kwon do and captaining the Royal Jordanian Polo Team, the Prince enjoys scuba diving, swimming, water-skiing, mountaineering, hiking and skiing. He is a qualified helicopter pilot, and has several parachute jumps to his name. Prince El Hassan enjoys reading, Latin American and Flamenco music as well as cinema. However, His Royal Highness derives the most pleasure in spending time with his family.

[MADem]

66. Hassan was originally slated to be successor to Hussein

But the line changed after Gulf War One--King Hussein decided that he wanted his oldest boy to take it directly. Of course, Hussein sided with Iraq during that war, if you remember....

Didn't make elderbush very happy, needless to say.

[OneBlueSky]

72. if memory serves, wasn't this guy royally pissed (no pun intended) . . .

when King Hussein passed him over in favor of his (Hussein's) son for succession to the throne in Jordan? . . .

and the fact that he's president of the Club of Rome is interesting in and of itself . . .

[paineinthearse]

57. Jamal Daniel

http://www.newbridgestrategies.com/bios.asp

Jamal Daniel, Advisory Board Member
Jamal Daniel is a Principal with Crest Investment Company, which invests in a wide-range of business ventures and is based in Houston. Prior to his work with Crest Investment, Jamal was a Director of the Uniteg Investment Company, Inc., providing U.S. and international investors with comprehensive real estate services ranging from acquisition and construction to financing and sales. Additionally, Jamal has extensive experience in structuring investing in energy and oil and gas projects throughout the U.S., Europe and the Middle East.

=============================================================
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pringle_001.htm

Neil Bush & Crest - Another Profiteering Scheme

Neil Bush, has a $60,000-a-year employment contract with a top adviser to a Washington-based consulting firm set up to help companies secure contracts in Iraq, according to the Nov 11, 2004 Financial Times. Neil disclosed this employment during a divorce deposition on March 3, 2003. He testified that he was co-chairman of the Houston-based, Crest Investment Corporation, which invests in energy and other ventures, and said he received $15,000 every three months for a average 3 or 4 hours of work a week doing "miscellaneous consulting services." "Such as?" his ex-wife's Attorney asked, "Such as answering phone calls when Jamal Daniel, the other co-chairman, called and asked for advice," Neil answered. Crest's co-chairman, Daniel, sits on the advisory board of New Bridge Strategies, a firm set up in March 2003, just in time to cash in on the Iraq reconstruction contracts, by a group of businessmen with close ties to the Bush family, and both Bush administrations. The firm's chairman is Joe Allbaugh, who was W's campaign director in the 2000, and who was appointed Director of FEMA once Bush took office. In addition to paying him for "consulting" work, Crest has provided funding for Neil's educational software company Ignite! In fact, Daniel sometimes introduces himself as a founding backer of the company, and has persuaded the families of prominent leaders in the Middle East to invest in Ignite, according to the Dec 11, 2003 Financial Times. Overall, Crest goes to great lengths to show Neil how much it values his membership on the team. For instance, when Neil got remarried in 2004, Daniel held a wedding reception at his home, and Crest arranged a 5-year rent-free cottage for Neil and his new bride in Kennebunkport, Maine, so they could spend time near Mom & Pop Bush whenever they wanted to.

Another Jackpot - Thanks To Brother W

As usual, during his deposition, Neil forgot to mention a few facts about his earnings potential with Crest. First of all, he didn't mention that he attached his signature to letters soliciting business for New Bridge in obtaining contracts in Iraq, and two, that he attached his name as a reference for an extremely lucrative proposal submitted by Crest to obtain a lease on a parcel of property located on the island of Quintana, Texas, that will result in payments of at least $2 million a year to Crest.

When W took office in 2001, he vowed to make it easier for companies to build coastline facilities to store liquefied natural gas (LNG), a cooled and condensed form of natural gas, shipped in from countries around the world. That promise sent US companies scrambling to secure coastline property on which to build the LNG processing facilities. One company looking to enter the market was Crest. Although the firm had no experience whatsoever in LNG processing, it had a very influential asset, a co-chairman by the name of Neil Bush. One property of specific interest was Quintana Island, located in the Texas gulf, because it was accessible to cargo ships. The right to grant a lease to the land belonged to the Brazos River Harbor Navigation District. If it could gain approval, the Crest LNG facility would be the first such facility in Texas, and only one of a few in the entire country. The Harbor Commission was so enthralled with a proposal from Crest, that it offered the company an all-exclusive lease without soliciting for any other bids. The proposal was approved even though ExxonMobil owned the right to a first refusal on that part of the island, under a 1998 agreement, and even though the Commission knew that another company, Cheniere Energy, was interested in building a nearly identical facility on the exact same parcel of land. When asked why the commission chose to grant the initial deal to Crest, Phyllis Saathoff, managing director of the Commission, said, "We worked it out and could accommodate , so we did," according to the LA Times on Oct 29, 2004. To this day, Neil's connection to the firm is not widely known. However, Saathoff said that when Crest approached the commission with the project, it provided Neil's name as a reference.

How Did Crest Pull It Off?

The chronology of events that led to the Commission's approval of the Crest proposal is contained in court documents from a lawsuit filed against Crest, by Cheniere Energy, a firm with experience in LNG
processing. In 2000, Crest and Cheniere began discussing the possibility of a joint venture to build an LNG facility. After W's election, negotiations picked up speed and Cheniere provided a detailed, "confidential" briefing on its plans to Crest, according to court records. In early 2001, Cheniere submitted an initial proposal for the project to the Commission. However, without telling Cheniere, Crest went forward and submitted a similar proposal to the Commission, according to court records. The commission set a date of March 22, 2001, to meet with Cheniere officials about the firm's proposal, but the meeting was abruptly canceled. The very next day, on March 23, 2001, the Commission held an emergency session and met with Crest representatives, and granted the company, with no experience in LNG processing, an exclusive, 3-year lease option on the island property. Cheniere then filed the lawsuit against Crest. But the two companies ended up settling out of court by becoming partners on the project. After other partners were added, the Freeport LNG consortium was created.

Crest To Handle Political Permits

An internal Freeport memo specified that Cheniere would be responsible for operational aspects of the project, and to no one's surprise I'm sure, Neil's company, Crest, was designated to "handle the political permitting side." Crest has supported W in his campaigns and some of the firm's representatives have key Washington connections. According to harbor commission memos, Daniel is friends with Energy Secretary, Spencer Abraham, and Crest executive, Dee Osborne, was a guest of Commerce Secretary, Don Evans, on a 2002 US trade mission to Chile and Peru, the Times reported. In addition to Neil's obvious inside track with W, Crest was able to garner other political support for the project's approval by the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission (FERC). House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX), was one of 4 members of Congress who signed a letter in support of approving the project, and Daniel's buddy, Spencer Abraham, also lent the backing of his office at the Department of Energy. On Dec 12, 2002, the Commission approved the terms of a 30-year lease. However, Texas law required that it solicit for bids on any lease extending beyond 10 years. The Commission claimed it advertised for proposals in late December, 2002, but said no other bids were submitted. The Crest-Quintana project was one of the first to benefit from the Bush administration's changes in regulations that streamlined federal permitting, relaxed financial reviews and made it easier to comply with safety standards. Although the changes in the regulations were made after Freeport filed its initial application, the changes were applied retroactively to the project. In June, 2002, the FERC approved the project and gave the company a 5-year completion date. The final version of the lease was signed on March 28, 2003. An important fact that Neil forgot to mention in his deposition is that once the plant goes into operation, Crest is guaranteed payments of at least $2 million a year from the partnership. However, unless Neil decides to dump his new wife, which might require his participation in another deposition, we will likely never know how much of the $2 million ends up in the Bush trough each year.

James Smith, director of Public Citizen-Texas, a watchdog group focused on energy issues, described the Crest profiteering scheme correctly when he told the LA Times on Oct 29, 2004, that the deal appeared to be "another classic example of Bush family cronyism
paying off."

Evelyn Pringle
[e-mail]
Miamisburg OH

(Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for Independent Media
TV and an investigative journalist focused on exposing
government corruption)

[paineinthearse]

60. Foundation history

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-552645_ITM&referid=2090

Establishment of the Institute for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue.(Ecumenical Events)(initiative undertaken by Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate )(Reprint)
Publication Date: 22-JUN-02
Publication Title: Journal of Ecumenical Studies
Format: HTML

Author: Papademetriou, George C.
Article Price: $9.95
Subscription to Research: $49.95/month (learn more)

Description A new Institute for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue was established in Geneva, Switzerland, in May, 1999. The initiative was taken by the Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Chambesy (Geneva), which in the past has engaged in intra-Christian and interreligious dialogue. It has sponsored Jewish-Christian-Muslim dialogues in Chambesy, Athens, Constantinople, Amman, and Jerusalem. In the contemporary multicultural and global society, the problems of the human person are common among all religious people. Dialogue is edifying and promotes peaceful coexistence among peoples and societies. The Institute seeks to attain this noble goal. Its aspiration is ...

more.......

[understandinglife]

38. It's always about money, money, money,......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3520718


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN...........)

[MGKrebs]

41. They had a top ranked Cardinal of the Catholic Church

on their Board and they had no money??? HAH!

The only way that would happen is if Neil was able to loot it before it ever even hit the bank account!

[derby378]

42. My wife knew the fix was in...

...when she saw * meeting with American cardinals shortly before the voting began.

And any cardinal who discusses the voting process and the horse-trading that led to Ratzinger's election will automatically be excommunicated. How conveeeeeeeenient.

[patcox2]

80. Yes, its so suspicious that the american president would talk to american

cardinals.

Hell, Bush doesn't know any other languages, and he hates foreigners anyway, who else is he going to talk to? You think they were conspiring right then and there, your eagle-eyed wife actually caught bush on camera picking the next Pope?

Tinfoil will protect me from the mindscans, yes, thats it.

[Sanity Claws]

44. Conspiracy, cabal

Use whatever word you want, but that is what's going on.
I hope this brings down the Catholic Church as well as the Bush crime family.
BTW, I'm a former Catholic who did not bear malice toward the Church, until I read this. The Church is just as corrupt as it was in the past.

[tinanator]

45. wow, switzerland, what a coincidence

maybe they were just splitting up some bullion?

[leftofthedial]

51. so the vatican is partnering with the BFEE

Hmmm

the BFEE were partners of Hitler
The vatican were partners of Hitler

world fascism used the cold war (nominally democracy versus Communism, but literally capitalism versus state capitalism) to regenerate

[Shallah Kali]

59. ratzinger's mentor said hitler was "chosen by god"

Pope Benedict: His role in the Nazi years
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=631615

Ratzinger's election will also raise questions about the dubious role played by the Catholic Church during the Nazi era. The extent to which leading Catholics felt obliged to reach compromises with the regime is outlined by the stance taken by Ratzinger's mentor, Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber, one of the Pope's most important early influences.

Documented evidence shows that the cardinal visited Hitler's mountain retreat during the 1930s and was entertained to lunch by the F�hrer in person. During their meeting, Von Faulhaber is on record as telling Hitler that the Church saw him as an "authority chosen by God, to whom we owe respect".

----

iirc von faulhaber is the one who ordained ratzinger.

[Turley]

122. Mentor?

I'm guessing that's a bit of a stretch. Ratzinger was ordained by Faulhaber who was the Cardinal at Munich at the time (Faulhaber died a year later). I don't know that they had any other personal dealings with one another.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Faulhaber was very critical of the Nazi Party in his day. I'm sure we have an historian here who can fill us in with more detail.

[Nothing Without Hope]

55. Ratzinger was the Opus Dei candidate, and IMO they are conspirators

who are trying to seize power all over the world. On the morning before he was elected pope, The LA Times cited the Opus Dei's stake in the papal election and mentioned the fact that he was their candidate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1733188

Opus Dei is also extremely full of money. And wherever conspiracy about power and money are, you'll find a representative of the Bush cartel.

Pretty amazing, considering that Ratzinger was the head of the {renamed} Inquisition,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3504587&mesg_id=3518098
a paragon of enforced doctrinal purity, for over 20 years - talk about strange bedfellows! Until you realize what they have in common - greed for power.

[CentralEuropeanDude]

56. it doesn't make a lot of sense

Brother Bush, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prince Hassan, Aga Khan, Olivier Fatio, Rabbi Rene-Samuel Sirat, Metropolitan Damaskinos and maybe some others are founding board members of an obscure Swiss ecumenical foundation. ecumenical, that's surely a good thing!
7 people, that makes 21 handshakes. which one was the relevant?
is there any information on Brother Bush's religious past.

[seventythree]

68. question

we all heard that an American would not become Pope because of the fear of having one from the most powerful country in the world. Do you all think that the other cardinals were aware of this connection with the Bush family? If not, now what? On the Spirituality forum there is discussion about Nostradamus and thoughts that this Pope will embrace Islam, open dialogue, only to be done in by it -- very coincidental now that I read this. On the one hand, we think the only way we can get along is to open a dialogue, but on the other hand, we fear it. Or could it be that the "powers that be" are just working in consort to bring on Armageddon?

[CentralEuropeanDude]

82. Ratzinger, the american stealth pope?

Is it that, what you imply? Honestly, I think no. i can't imagine that. This is the former cardinal of my diocese Munich/Freising. I am watching, what he is doing for ten years now. He is an ayatollah type of a fundamentalist with ultra strict rules, but i can't see any Armageddon love. This Armageddon thing is a none issue in europe at least. The "Bush - Ratzinger - Some_Others" connection is rather weak. We need more information on this. Can you give me a link to the Spirituality forum thread. thanks.

[seventythree]

95. try this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x6716 you might have to go to the links contained therein on Nostradamus and Hogue, I think it is. There are a couple of threads about the Pope on the Astrology/spirituality forum. I hope I picked the correct one. So do you think the other cardinals knew of this connection?

[CentralEuropeanDude]

121. thanks

> So do you think the other cardinals knew of this connection?

No.

But i am in no way able to measure the significance of this connection. This is one connection out of how many? In how many organizations is each of them active? Even with google this isn't easy to answer.

I didn't find _anything_ about Ratzinger, Hassan, Khan, Fatio, Sirat or Damaskinos at http://www.namebase.org

There is a lot about Neil Bush
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_BUSH_NEIL_MALLON

(even a dim bulb like our local free-market mega asshole OTTO GRAF LAMBSDORFF has a connection to GEORGE H.W. BUSH http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_LAMBSDORFF_OTTO_GRAF)

It's a bit scary to see people (not you) jumping to conclusions based on such thin stories. This is DU not ATS. Time to do some background check on Hassan, Khan, Fatio, Sirat or Damaskinos and Neil Bush. Ratzingers agenda is easy to check. He has written 30 books. He doesn't hide his agenda, like http://www.newamericancentury.org doesn't hide its agenda. But these are two different things.

[seventythree]

125. understand

and I do think there is credibility to the argument that people of power are often interchanged on various boards. I'm just thinking that to have Neil and a member of the preferiti (just learned that Italian word from Brown's book Angels and Demons which I started before the conclave, and, conincidentally, it is about a conclave)on the same board would be what sort of odds? Pretty high, I'd think. I'm also kind of taken that any highly placed member of the church would even serve on a board of directors of a corporation (outside of one incorporated by the church, and I'd guess there are some), especially one which appears to be unclear as to the profit or non-profit status/purpose. I am thinking about how JP required that Father Drinan (sp?) step down from his seat in Congress, or be defrocked. Yes, that is not a straight up comparison but it goes to secular activity/power vs religious calling, I think.

[CentralEuropeanDude]

135. I agree.

It's disturbing to see a Bush family member in such a position.
He does not fit in.

But please have a look at the list of Prince El Hassan bin Talal's involvements
http://www.southcentre.org/introduction/hrhprincehassan.htm
These are a lot of connections.

I try to find something similar for Neil Bush and Ratzinger.

[CentralEuropeanDude]

137. Wow, a WMD connection ;)

via Prince El Hassan bin Talal:
http://www.wmdcommission.org/sida.asp?ID=50

Chaired by Dr Hans Blix
http://www.wmdcommission.org/sida.asp?ID=33

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

61. Golly...a new Pope AND free, unexpected Asian hookers! A dream come true!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/bush.brother.reut/

The Bush divorce, completed in April after 23 years of marriage, was prompted in part by Bush's relationship with another woman. He admitted in the deposition that he previously had sex with several other women while on trips to Thailand and Hong Kong at least five years ago.

The women, he said, simply knocked on the door of his hotel room, entered and had sex with him. He said he did not know if they were prostitutes because they never asked for money and he did not pay them.

"Mr. Bush, you have to admit it's a pretty remarkable thing for a man just to go to a hotel room door and open it and have a woman standing there and have sex with her," Brown said.

"It was very unusual," Bush said.



"Hookers...everybody come and get your FREE ASIAN HOOKERS...and it's on the house, courtesy of ME...your new POPE!"

(Hey...I'm CATHOLIC...I'm more pissed off than YOU are. Unless you're a Catholic too, of course).

:evilgrin:

[OneBlueSky]

77. is it just me, or does Papa Ratzi look really malevolent? . . . n/t

.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

91. He reminds me of Angus Scrimm, "The Tall Man" in "Phantasm."

All that's missing is the silver orb with the spikes sticking out of it.



"BOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYY....."

:evilgrin:

[justsomegirl]

100. not just you....n/t

[Turn CO Blue]

118. His lips are blue...

meaning that his circulation is very poor. Perhaps he isn't long for this world?

Of course, if he passes away in fewer than 33 days (the shortest-term Pope ever) then the Rapture-mythologists will go ballistic, because some believe that a modern-day short-term Pope will be replaced by the anti-Christ... But I say, nah, * can't be Pope!

[young_at_heart]

63. One can only hope that our media will look into this

Why are we just now hearing about this foundation?

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Our media will do the usual great job they do

nothing to see here, move along LOOK JACKO!

[LibertyorDeath]

94. LOL .... Good one

"One can only hope that our media will look into this"

I'm sure Leslie "Wolf" Blitzer is hard at work on it. :)

[0007]

70. The more we learn of Ratz's the more sickening it gets!!

[medeak]

71. RATZINGER DENIED KERRY COMMUNION

sorry if dupe

linkhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=...
<snip>
WASHINGTON (AFP) - German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican theologian who was elected Pope Benedict XVI, intervened in the 2004 US election campaign ordering bishops to deny communion to abortion rights supporters including presidential candidate John Kerry.

In a June 2004 letter to US bishops enunciating principles of worthiness for communion recipients, Ratzinger specified that strong and open supporters of abortion should be denied the Catholic sacrament, for being guilty of a "grave sin."

He specifically mentioned "the case of a Catholic politician consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws," a reference widely understood to mean Democratic candidate Kerry, a Catholic who has defended abortion rights.

The letter said a priest confronted with such a person seeking communion "must refuse to distribute it."

[Dover]

74. More on Bush family business connections....

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/deals2.htm

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f438.html

[mitchum]

78. Where are all of the DU Ratzinger apologists and defenders?

[patcox2]

81. You mean the non-paranoid?

I am here. Go ahead, tell me how I am part of the conspiracy.

[CentralEuropeanDude]

84. this story is a none starter.

What does it tell us?
Seven guys and an ecumenical foundation.
My only question is, what has Neil Bush in common with the other six guys?

(fixed some spelling)
(fixed some more spelling)

[reality based]

88. That's why it's not a non starter

[CentralEuropeanDude]

89. maybe, what's your conclusions?

[chomskysright]

105. the PAPA RATZI.....you mean

[patcox2]

79. Board memberships are so meaningless.

Really, its tinfoil hat territory to draw too much from them. The number of people in the plutocracy who sit on corporate boards, as well as foundation and non-profit boards, is actually suprisingly small, and they all usually sit on several at once. They appoint one-another back and forth in an incestuous log-rolling thing that goes on, Hey, Bob, we need someone for our board, I could put you on if you could get me in that Swiss foundation's board, I love the skiing in the alps (board meetings are nice free vacations).

A president's son, even the retarded one, will get more invitations for this kind of shit than he would know what to do with.

Its also kinda funny that its an ecumenical foundation, yet Ratzinger is fiercely criticized because of the perception that he will set-back ecumenism, which he has criticized in his role as defender of the faith. Of course, in his first sermon as pope he promised to pursue ecumenism. Is that flip flop part of the Bush conspiracy, do you think?

Anyway, the saying is "six degrees of separation," but among the big business set when it comes to interlocking board memberships, its more like two at most.

[reality based]

83. Nothing here, move along

[CentralEuropeanDude]

86. "six degrees of separation", you say it! n/t

[cosmicdot]

142. that power is so concentrated is what makes it meaningful, not meaningless

it's part of the Big Picture problem ... corporate boards affect and influence (if not direct), for example, how American foreign and financial policy is conducted around the globe ... and, such is how our national sovereignty is compromised in the process

imo, it can't be downplayed

what I wish someone had is the full history of this Board and its members ... if it has had 'Neil Bush types' before, it would shed a lot more light than just calling it tinfoilhat ... some facts so that no one perceives curiosity and questioning as Pope bashing when a BFEE is involved

maybe its that Swiss bank connection that makes people wonder

isn't it a bit strange of an appointment????

[Junkdrawer]

92. Maybe Neil was attempting to begin a liaison with Religious Leaders...

to see whom could be "persuaded" to help with his families political ambitions...

And, whadda know, Ratzinger comes through in 2004 with a letter to US Bishops all but naming Kerry as someone who should be denied communion.

[DemBones DemBones]

117. Ratzinger also wrote a letter clarifying that Catholics should

use their knowledge of ALL of a candidate's positions to decide which candidate to vote for, and also stating that it was only a sin for a Catholic to vote for a candidate who supports legalized abortion IF that was the sole reason the Catholic voted for that person.

THAT letter got little media attention.

And my archbishop, who had previously criticized Kerry, subsequently wrote a letter to Catholics in this archdiocese restating what Cardinal Ratzinger said, as per my discussion above.

[Junkdrawer]

124. Interesting that, huh? Why would a man of the obvious intelligence...

of Cardinal Ratzinger issue the original letter, to US Bishops, during an election year when only the Democratic presidential candidate is both Catholic and pro-choice, only to follow it up with a "clarification" after the damage of the original letter had been done?

[flordehinojos]

98. what was neill bush doing serving on an ecumenical board?

and boy, .... what on this earth, don't these bushes have their hands on?

[Joey Liberal]

103. Kneel Bush and the new Pope

No wonder Resident Pansy Bush has been such a big fan of the Catholics and the new Pope.

[blue northern]

106. what?what!

So this is what the other side of the rabbit hole looks like huh?
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Truth is not only stranger than fiction. It is fiction.
*'s lil' bro who loves ho's and Pope Panzer on a religious board?!?!
PNAC is the single greatest threat to the peace and stability of the entire planet.
This is going to be a rough half decade ahead.
Peace

[leesa]

108. So Ratzinger's part of the BFEE...great!

[cosmicdot]

110. money laundering? n/m

[Gyre]

111. Once a nazi, always a nazi

I always say. :)

Gyre

[LeftofU]

113. amen....n/t

[daleo]

114. Neil Bush heard from fundamentalist sources that the "Whore of Babylon"

Would be at this meeting, so naturally he went along, assuming it would be like his Asian business trips. Just a misunderstanding, nothing to get concerned about. Move along now.

[glitch]

136. LOL! And me with my morning tea.

:spray: Thanks!

[lonestarnot]

116. So bushitler helps install nazi pope great....and babybushitler making

money out of the deal and everybody's happy. World dominion in all it's glory.

[Hekate]

123. So the BFEE strikes again?

Honest to god, there are NO coincidences with the Bushes.

Hekate

[Bridget Burke]

126. Yes, it's dreadful that Neilsie was on the board.

What nefarious deeds have been traced to this organization? What actual evil have they done?

[Scurrilous]

127. Apparently...

...they seek to "publish the original text of the Bible's Old Testament in Hebrew, its New Testament in Greek and the Quran in Arabic." Sounds nefarious to me.

[JackRiddler]

129. Actually, they're not on record for having done anything much...

Except to be listed as a management trust by Dun & Broadstreet rather than as a religious or educational org, which they claim is an error.

No doubt they networked. What the org may be a front for is unclear, but those who don't want to examine this further given the criminal history of Neil Bush are simply denying in advance of inquiry.

[daleo]

131. Possibly, an informal way to sound out plans.

Like, how would various religious leaders respond to a fresh "war on terror"?

[Junkdrawer]

128. Just a little "Meet and Greet" between Bush & Co and the world's..

religious leaders.

No harm could come of that, right? :eyes:

[JackRiddler]

130. Part of the problem with some posts here...

is that some people think Ratzinger heads an organization that's fundamentally different from the Rev. Moon's.

If Moon or the head of Scientology had been on this board instead of the Catholic Grand Inquisitor (which is what Ratzinger IS), imagine the outcry.

I cry discrimination!

[JackRiddler]

133. It would also help...

If certain others, who do see this as suspicious, would not reflexively go into the same old rants about Bush & Ratzinger. Mere namecalling is counterproductive if you actually want to nail the facts down. For example, I don't really care what pet nickname you have for Neil B. or Ratzinger, and there's no need to use the emotional tag of Nazi every time one of these guys' names comes up.

It would be great if everyone would always recall this is a public forum and write in a manner accessible and inviting to anyone walking into it, and not just have smarmy exchanges among those in the know using our own esoteric vocabulary.

(I'm talking about the tone here, not the content!)

[Bridget Burke]

134. Yes, but Neil's a dumbass....

That's the word here in Houston, of course.

Sounds like a way for the idiot to pick up some money. But he's hardly capable of ruling the world.

[Junkdrawer]

138. Messenger Boy n/t

[reality based]

143. What a bizarre group of directors

There is a Geneva/French connection for many of them.

The Orthodox prelate Damaskinos apparently is based in Geneva. http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantinople/former/bio_damaskinos_papandreou_metr_adrianoupolis.htm

Sadruddin Aga Khan, Indian father, French mother, lived in Geneva before his death. Distinguished UN official.
http://www.amaana.org/agakhan/sadruddin3.htm

The Jewish director Rene-Samuel Sirat is a former chief rabbi of France. He appeared with "Greek Orthodox ecumenical metropolitan, Patriarch Damaskimos (sic.)" and Cardinal Ratzinger at a Jerusalem speech made by the cardinal in 1994.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1113877274646

Olivier Fatio has been a distinguished professor of religious history at the University of Geneva and is the head of the new Museum of the Reformation in Geneva.

Jaman Daniel is a business associate of Neil Bush whose family lives in Geneva and is apparently Orthodox Christian of Syrian descent. The family is reported to have been involved in founding the Ba'ath party in both Syria and Iraq, and to have had a relationship with former Saddam Hussein's foreign minister Tariq Aziz. Jaman attended Pepperdine University (remember Kenneth Starr?) and the University of Texas at Arlington (hometown of ex Governor Bush's Texas Rangers baseball team).
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/deals2.htm

Prince Hassan of Jordan hangs out in Geneva a lot, often at UN related functions. (Google him.) He also was (is?) a close associate of Ahmad Chalabi, warning Chalabi to leave Jordan when his banking practices came under scrutiny in 1989 (and in the process perhaps losing the Jordanian throne). The Chalabis had also fled Geneva when their banking activities there fell apart. He publicized his involvement with this foundation when it began but didn't mention Neil. His press release does refer to "nine international personalities from the Arab World, Europe and the United States who signed the statutes of the foundation which will operate from Geneva as a non-profit foundation." Note that we know of only eight founding directors.
http://www.jordanembassyus.org/050499005.htm

I have not examined Neil's or Cardinal Ratzinger's other Geneva connections.

[cosmicdot]

144. is the link broken? try this link

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/printedition/world/ny-wochar214226829apr21,0,4189840.story?coll=ny-worldnews-print