VOINIVICH has FLIPPED!!

[burythehatchet]

Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton for U.N.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8230862&src=rss/topNews

on voting on Bolton....he no longer supports Bolton!!
C-SPAN

R- OHIO

[w13rd0]

1. Flipped parties?

Guess he had enough.

[don954]

60. he might as well now! Delay will prob fund a pupet in his

district now..

[katty]

89. Good news-delay and dump Bolton

[mikelgb]

2. what happened?

[maddezmom]

54. Reuters link: Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton for U.N.

Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton for U.N.
Tue Apr 19, 2005 05:08 PM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee delayed a vote on the nomination of John Bolton as U.N. ambassador after a Republican senator said he was not prepared to vote for him on Tuesday, casting the nomination in doubt.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8230862&src=rss/topNews

[maddezmom]

57. AP link: Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton to U.N.

17 minutes ago Politics - U. S. Congress


By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - Senators agreed to an unexpected delay Tuesday in voting on John Bolton's nomination as ambassador to the United Nations and said they intend to take a close look at fresh allegations against him.


The decision closed a rancorous session in which Republicans first sought to push Bolton through the Foreign Relations Committee and Democrats resisted.


"We'll all have to trust each other," said Sen. Richard Lugar (news, bio, voting record), R-Ind., the committee chairman, in sealing the unanimous agreement.


Republicans hold a 10-8 majority on the panel, and Lugar had sounded confident early in the session that he had the votes to prevail.
~snip~
more: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050419/ap_on_go_co/un_ambassador_31

[calimary]

79. Voinovich needs to be THANKED:

Here's his contact info from DUer K8-EEE:

Honorable George V. Voinovich 524 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 [phone] Fax: [phone] TDD: [phone]

Got this from FR, he's getting Freeped, support Voinovich for doing the decent thing!!

[underthedome]

82. Anyone from ohio planning on going to his office to thank him? I'm in

Just let me know.

[radfringe]

104. I watched it yesterday

to say Voinivich flipped is a bit premature -- he's waffeling

He did say he was prepared to vote for Bolton, but now had concerns after hearing the concerns of other Senators. Voinivich also admitted he wasn't present for much of the hearings, apologized for that, and stated he wanted more time to review things.

so, yes, he's changed his position slightly -- but I wouldn't call it a complete flip

[Mojambo]

3. Sure looks like this fella is going down n/t

[lavenderdiva]

4. flipped on what?

his vote on Bolton?
party affiliation?

please advise. more details please....

[Judi Lynn]

5. Bless your heart, burythehatchet! Wow.

Way to go, George Voinovich.
One good Republican
comes to life.

[AuntiBush]

17. Shew. Our Dem's are Kicking!

Appears maybe another might sway, as well. This is historical and hope our Dem's keep it up. I'm so proud of them right now, but detesting the Repub's that much more.

[0007]

67. Now if Hagel comes around, Bolton is finished.

[Rayjay]

99. Props to another Clevelander

Howard Metzenbaum, then Dennis Kucinich, now former mayor Voinovich--my home town is doing its part.

[ewagner]

6. 9 yes and 9 no?

It's a tie right?

[burythehatchet]

21. correct

that would kill it in committee

[UCLA Dem]

27. Just made my day!!! so proud to be a dem!!!

[Career Prole]

7. WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!

:woohoo: :applause:

[Richardo]

8. link?

Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy....

[CottonBear]

16. DU discussion thread and C-Span2 live stream:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3506143

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[NJGeek]

9. what are you talking about?

[pinto]

10. Beauty. After apologizing for his earlier abscence, says won't vote to

move Bolton nomination out of committee (to Senate floor for debate/vote). V says charges are too serious to move out of committee now.

Luger desperately swimming upstream here trying like hell to get the thing to the Senate tonight.

C-SPAN2.

[autorank]

12. What's happening. Pressure from OH, pictures of Bolton w/a goat?

This is from "left field." Voinivich! E Gads! This guy must be much worse than has been revealed.

[deutsey]

11. If true, this is great news!

[EFerrari]

73. True. I watched it on C-Span. n/t

[ck4829]

13. Voinovich... My Senator

For the first time, I am proud of Voinovich, and I am proud to call him my Senator.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Now call the office and let them know he did the right thing

[tsuki]

68. You know, this is what happened when we had real Republicans

in office, back in my youth. The wingnuts we have now with the hammer is not the Republican Party.

[sickinohio]

85. Voinovich is my senator too - I'm happy about this ONE

Bolton issue with him - but STILL not proud that he is my senator. I wish Ohio would do away with Voinoass, DumbWitt and frickin Blackfu*k!! We'd be a hell of a lot better off without them!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

86. But on this occasion, call him to encourage his continuing nonconformity

You can bet he's getting calls from freepers.

[ck4829]

103. He is

They were talking about 'giving his office an earful'.

Silly Freepers, can't they see that Bolton is bad for America?

[last_texas_dem]

14. That's good

Not knowing much about his (Voinovich's) record, I had always wondered why he had a reputation as a "moderate" Repug. I guess occasional lapses into sanity such as this are the reason why.

[AlCzervik]

15. Voinivich extracting revenge for ads comparing him to saddam Hussain

when he didn't want to give Bush all his tax cuts.

[burythehatchet]

20. goooood call

:thumbsup:

[hecate77]

18. Sorry, he did not flip, he only wants more time in committee

He never said he would vote against Bolton, but only that, given the new information, he was uncomfortable in voting it out of committee without more investigation and discussion. Lugar is trying to force it out of committee, Biden and others are trying to stall it.

Lugar has a smirk on his face, and shows every intent of calling for a vote today. I don't know if Voinivich will actually vote against confirmation, though. He only wanted more time.

[goodhue]

28. indeed

He did not say he would ultimately vote against Bolton. Only that he would not vote for sending out of committee, because wants more time to review.

[spooky3]

101. right--let's not celebrate prematurely

[Blue Belle]

44. I think that when Voinivich spoke up stating he was

uncomfortable with voting at this time, it threw everyone for a loop. Luger was so thrown off... it was almost comical. In my opinion from watching the debate on C-Span, I think Voinivich, and Hagel are on the fence in regard to Bolton. If the Dems can gather the evidence and make a case, I don't think this nomination will make it out of committee.

By the way... does anyone else think that Luger looks like a "Bobble head" doll???

[DoYouEverWonder]

Well there still is a glimer of hope in this world

I hope he gives a few other Repugs the courage to flip.

[ewagner]

19. Call the vote!!!

Call the vote dammit!

The Repubs don't have the votes....force it now before somebody switches!

Bolton's nomination is dead on a 9-9 vote...

CALL FOR THE FIRCKIN VOTE!!!!

[AuntiBush]

23. I'm feeling it too. Come on- VOTE NOW!

:popcorn: and :beer: time now, folks.

[AuntiBush]

22. Sen. Geo Allen R VA is now saying this issue is understandable

after he smirked at Boxer... Allen is asking Luger what a "time vote" would be w/regards to voting (?) maybe against Bolton. Huh... wow.

[dxdem]

24. I'm looking around

to try and confirm this, find some more info, etc. Any links, etc? Or has this just now happened on CSPAN in-hearing? I'll be very interested to see what kind of MSM coverage this gets.

[UCLA Dem]

25. what??? does that make it a 9--9 tie??

[burythehatchet]

29. Yes - yes - yes

light will be shed on the frickin bolton cockaroach

[goodhue]

30. correct

it looks now like vote would come out that way

[burythehatchet]

26. hearings will continue!!

WOW. Our guys finally came through. Kerry was a damn stud

[roguevalley]

31. WRITE HIM AND THANK HIM! DO IT NOW!

[roseBudd]

34. Just did

[Aviation Pro]

93. I notice that each one....

...of these scumbags on the bumper sticker is a fat fuck. No wonder they need blue pills to get it up.

[roseBudd]

94. Actually it is a website and a song, see bushcheated04.com...

and help pass it on.

[calimary]

56. Write him/her/them and thank them! Or PHONE THEM. Or email.

Or fax. ANYTHING. POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING GOOD. Otherwise, How. Will. They. Know. Anyone. CARES?!?!?!? If they think WE don't, then they won't either.

I called Boxer's office to say how proud I was of her, and urged the staffer to pass it on.

[PennyK]

75. I sent mine!

and asked him to look into the national election (in a humorous manner). The Repugs are BIG on mailings...let's do it!

[OzarkDem]

97. Not now

wait and see how it all washes out. You can't trust him.

[ClassWarrior]

32. I love watching rats scurry for cover...

NGU. :patriot:

[The Donkey]

33. Let's hope that this means he won't be voting for Bolton,

rather than meaning he just wants to keep the debate going.

[burythehatchet]

38. I think today's actions prove that there is a smoking gun

that will kill the bolton nomination. They tried hard to push it down our throats today. They lost, and now there are two weeks to get the case against him out in the open. Goodbye bolton you dooshbag

[AlCzervik]

35. Vote Delayed!!!!!! for at least 2 weeks to allow further investigating!!!

[kansasblue]

36. Bolton Nom delayed at least two weeks!

Bolton Nom delayed at least two weeks!

[ewagner]

37. Why ? How? n/t

[burythehatchet]

39. Voinivich said he will not vote to get it out of committee

making it 9 to 9

[mtnester]

41. He must have an appointment somewhere...

he is my senator, he sucks, and you cannot trust him.

I will believe it when I see it.....unless he is scared shitless on his 2006 campaign.

[Blue Belle]

48. That may be the case...

It's amazing how open to debate they become when they're staring re-election in the face.

Although, I'm sure he has no real contest seeing how the election system works in Ohio...

[POAS]

40. Voinovich is after something

He must want to play "Let's Make a Deal".

[The Blue Knight]

43. Yea, Voinivich is a shady guy. He's my Senator.

This guy is nowhere near moderate. This def. came out of left-field. I wonder what game he's playing here.

[POAS]

45. He's my Senator and was

my Mayor when I lived in Cleveland.

At one time he seemed quite moderate, but since he has been in the Senate he has been mister go along with the leadership, always held the party line.

Something is going on behind closed doors, that is for sure.

[Guaranteed]

46. He'll get it, and he'll come back to committee and change his vote

back.

The Dems shoulda gone with the vote and just taken the win.

[EFerrari]

76. At first I was happy it was delayed. Then thought, they need

time to herd their stray cats. Voinovich and Hagel are after something?

[InvisibleTouch]

58. I don't trust him either, but...

...I'm going to write him none the less and thank him. It carries more weight when it comes from a constituent.

[gratuitous]

42. Gee, Sen. Chafee

Feeling a little, I don't know, uh, you know . . . ?

[stevekatz]

49. This is Intentional

The republicans know the democrats will filibuster this, forcing the issue of the nuclear option. Which most republicans don't actually want, because it’s a no-win scenario, so the Republicans are just going to bury Bolton in committee.

Pretty smart politically,
Its not like the next guy will really be all that different

[gratuitous]

53. Well, maybe . . .

But any defeat right now for the corrupt Bush administration looks bad for them -- Lil George squandering his political capital and his man date, you know.

And my comment about Sen. Chafee is that this guy was pulling a Hamlet (to recommend or not to recommend, that is the question) when he knew darned well what kind of a nominee Bolton was. He hid behind "Well, the President's entitled to install his own guys" subterfuge, and now it's just blown up on him, making him look like a prize chump.

I hope the voters of Rhode Island keep this in mind next year when they vote for Senator.

[chicagiana]

80. Amazing the flip because ...

... during the Clinton years, Republicans didn't seem inclined to think that Clinton had a right to nominate whoever he wanted.

No, the constitution is very clear that the Senate must approve of Presidential Appointments. The presumption here is that any qualified and acceptable appointment should be approved.

Bolton has never been a diplomatic. And he is an out of control anger freak. He is neither qualified nor acceptable to carry out the job at the UN.

[BrklynLiberal]

47. Randi Rhodes giving a blow by blow on AAR.

[cal04]

50. Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton for U.N.

The U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee delayed a vote on the nomination of John Bolton as U.N. ambassador after a Republican senator said he was not prepared to vote for him on Tuesday, casting the nomination in doubt.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8230862

Thank you Senator Voinovich

[ewagner]

51. Yeeeehaaaawwww!

I'm still doing my "happy dance".......

[Lucky Luciano]

52. "story not available"

I saw the Bolton thread here on DU and got the punch by punch. Sounded amazing!

[melissinha]

59. Why does whatever Bush wants Bush gets

I jsut can't take this .... when I interview for a job, I am evaluated to see if I am the best for the position. I just can't see why the republicans just go along with every ill-conceived nomination... I mean this guy is a maniac. There are so many more devout, conservative Republicans that actually have an ouce of integrity that would better serve this country. Hope Voinovich's objection is contagious.... Glad to hear about it... hope Bolton's nomination is buried.

[cal04]

62. Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton to U.N.

No date was set for a vote, but a delay of at least two weeks seems likely while the committee looks into fresh allegations, including those of a Dallas businesswoman who says Bolton berated her at an international conference a decade ago. Some Democrats also bluntly questioned Bolton's veracity. The decision to postpone a vote closed a rancorous session in which Republicans first sought to push Bolton through the Foreign Relations Committee and Democrats resisted.

Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) of Delaware, the senior Democrat on the panel, read from what he said was a letter from a U.S. Agency for International Development worker in Kyrgyzstan who alleged Bolton harassed her — not sexually — while he was in private practice representing a company.

"She's prepared to provide an affidavit. The letter she sent in, and I'm going to just take a second here, it says, `When I was dispatching a letter to AID, my hell began. Mr. Bolton proceeded to chase me through the halls of a Russian hotel, throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door, and genuinely behaving like a madman. I eventually retreated to my hotel room and stayed there. Mr. Bolton then routinely visited me to pound on the door and shout threats.'"

"Is the chairman saying it doesn't matter what we know about John Bolton?" asked last year's defeated presidential candidate, John Kerry, D-Mass. "If you don't know some of the allegations that have come across the transom then you are voting in the blind. Maybe you want to vote in the blind."



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050419/ap_on_go_co/un_ambassador_32

[mod mom]

55. UNBELIEVABLY GREAT NEWS FOR OHIOANS!!!!

Let's hope the glimmer of integrity is contagious! Thanks burythehacket!

[joanski01]

63. This hearing will be re-broadcast tonight

on C-Span2 at 8:00 p.m. and on C-Span at 12:00 Midnight. At least, that's what the C-Span schedule says.

I loved how Barbara Boxer got on Chuck Hagel's butt for saying on TV that he wanted to see if any new information came out on Bolton, and now that it has, he wasn't going to vote to delay the vote on the nomination. Hagel explained it away by saying that just because he wanted to vote favorably in Committee didn't necessarily mean he would vote for it on the Senate Floor. Pretty lame, Chuck!

[maddezmom]

66. thanks for that info..I missed the exchange

I'll be tuned in or taping. :D

[olddad56]

64. This smells fishy to me. Two weeks from now, ...

Bolton will get the votes. This is a bogus Nazi ploy.

[babylonsister]

74. Not necessarily. The Dems now have 2 additional

weeks to gather up info and sources against Bolton to do more harm. Seems like the guy made quite a few enemies who are now singing.

[olddad56]

81. and when has the truth or the facts made any difference?

[babylonsister]

84. Where there's life,

there's hope. I refuse to lose what optimism I have as it seems to me it's more useless being a naysayer.

[Number_6]

65. Integrity from Voynivich?

There comes a time in the affairs of men...when pigs will fly again.

[johnnyrocket]

69. VOINIVICH better get out of town and change his name...

...the powers that be don't like disenters, not in this day and age.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

70. Indeed

And no flying home in small planes.

The word's already gone out to the Shame Hannitys of the world.
Get George.

[DrRang]

87. Tried to call; mail box is full

I just tried to call Voinovich and thank him for putting the good of the country above partisan politics, but got the message that his voice mail mailbox is full, goodbye.

[matcom]

71. no he didn't

watched live

he missed a BUNCH of hearings. wants more time. he'll get in line. watch.

this is overblown. he had a somewhat clear head but i would NOT say "he flipped"

wait for it.....

[burythehatchet]

91. 2 things

he flipped on voting bolton out of committee. It was assumed that he would toe the line.

He may get in line but the critical issue is that all the shyte will be exposed in the next 2 weeks. He is toast...trust me

[DoYouEverWonder]

72. Here's a nice pic

of our DEM Senators working together for a change.

[ArnoldLayne]

77. They are going crazy over at Freak Repuklic

over this. They want to hang Voinovich and Hagel over this, boy what a bunch of nutcases over there, I love it!! :dem:

[msanthrope]

78. I'm betting that the Senate does not want another Clarence

Thomas hearing....and that's where this is headed....

[Dover]

83. Just saw the coverage on NBC News

Showed some of the more heated moments...Lugar, Biden, Kerry...and Boxer's voice objecting to the vote.

[Window]

88. YES!!!!!

.

[UpInArms]

90. 4/19 Senate panel postpones vote on U.N. nominee amid new allegations

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/11435746.htm

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - President Bush's choice for United Nations ambassador received a serious setback Tuesday when the Senate Foreign Relations Committee agreed to delay a vote on his nomination to investigate fresh allegations of improper conduct.

<snip>

"I've heard enough today to give me some real concern," Voinovich said. "I don't feel comfortable voting today."

<snip>

It also provided Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., with an opening in which to state his own reservations about a quick vote.

<snip>

In arguing for a delay, the Democrats said they had received new allegations of improper behavior by Bolton since a hearing last week in which a former senior State Department official said Bolton asked him to fire an intelligence analyst who disputed his views on Cuba's biological warfare capabilities.

...more that needs to be read...

[Senior citizen]

92. I'm afraid to be optimistic, but.....

the chimp's poll ratings keep going down, the stock market keeps going down, the price of gas keeps going up, and politicians do like to keep a finger in the wind.....

Having recently watching several of my city council members do a complete flip (you could see their little brains counting votes as they explained OTHER reasons for changing their minds), I know it is possible for public pressure to have an effect. All it takes is for a politician to know that if they follow the party line, they won't get enough votes to even make election fraud look plausible, and they'll reconsider.

At least some pukes are starting to listen, which is a big step in the right direction.

[rucky]

95. Bolton's Standing Outside His Bedroom Window As We Type... n/t

[OzarkDem]

96. Don't trust Voinovich

Watch what he does, not what he says. He's an arch-conservative and highly partisan.

He's a master at appearing to do one thing while actually doing another and at taking credit for things he doesn't actually do.

Very shifty.

[babylonsister]

98. Good advice, but he effectively closed down

a vote today, so that counts for something. I realize it gives the repugs an opportunity to regroup (because of Voinovich), but it also gives us a chance to lay total cards on the table. Could conscience and the public perception overule party?

[OzarkDem]

102. In his case, no

He doesn't do anything without being told. The only time he takes a stand on anything is when it involves money. He still has the first penny he ever earned.

If its not about budget or appropriations, he'll do as he's told, period.

Our usual comment on anything suprising Voinovich does - if he's in favor of it you know its because he knows it won't pass. Conversely, if he's opposing this appointment now, its only because he knows it will end up passing anyway.

[LatePeriduct]

100. Voinovich = a Knights of Malta

George Voinovich has always been a knights of Malta.

He's been a radical, and even agreed with the evil dominionists.

The fact that he thinks Tom Delay has flipped his lid, is very surprising. He has the full power to take down Tom Delay in both government and religion.

Voinovich could be the missing key, a defector to their cult network of fascism which may prove to rustle the in-fighting so bad, many politicians go to jail.

He just can't see putting a nutjob like Bolton on the cut. He's starting to see both sides....

[mtnester]

105. As a lifetime Ohioan

I warn again...you cannot trust Voinovitch....I am sure that even last night, he was in "meetings" or "conference calls" that were designed by his party to give him a way "out" of his mouth moving without thinking.

He will vote Bolton out of committee...he WILL do as he is told on this one. He just wanted some limelight to use for his campaign in 2006... such as:

"I opposed bringing John Bolton out of committee until I was satisified that all doubts about him were resolved to my satisfaction"...which really means...

"I threw this hissing bag of snakes onto the table so that my party can have time for some damage control or time to come up with some distractionary tactic toward the Dems to take the heat off of us.".......period

[LatePeriduct]

106. Either way it makes for good infighting...

http://www.moveamericaforward.com

The fascist dominionists are attacking Voinovich and crucifying him.