Chief to probe injuries on alleged RI cop killer: Gruesome suspect held wi

[NNN0LHI]

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=79193

Providence's police chief yesterday pledged to investigate grisly injuries inflicted on an alleged cop killer, but not until Detective Sgt. James Allen is laid to rest.

``There is a time and a place to take a look at all that happened, and that time and place is after Detective Allen is buried,'' said Col. Dean Esserman. snip

Carpio's face was badly swollen and disfigured from bruises as he appeared in court yesterday wearing a white mask that obscured the bottom half of his face.

Relatives wailed at the sight of his bashed-up face and shouted police brutality as they were hustled out of the courtroom. Carpio was ordered held without bail.

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[Bunny]

1. Holy cow - look at his face!

[Straight Shooter]

41. Holy cow! I wonder what the dead officer's body looked like.

As for the creep who shot him :nopity:

[montana_hazeleyes]

59. I understand the emotions,

but why would I have been arrested if I did that to the meth bastard who murdered my friend's 24 year old son? The killer only got 6 years.

Can I go find him and do that to him? Or are police the only ones who are allowed to take out their emotions on someone?

[hector459]

79. You just have to be the victim of police brutality to understand what may

have incited this man to grab a gun and kill the detective.

[Straight Shooter]

85. I admit I'm biased on behalf of the officer.

You're right. OTOH, I have been intimidated by police before, not to the point of brutality, however.

This is quite the emotional issue, and it's hard to separate our personal experiences when we make a judgment in a case like this, without knowing all the facts.

[Straight Shooter]

86. I don't know the laws in your state.

It's tricky. Juries can be quite sympathetic to someone who is under the influence of inflamed emotions, particularly if the object of punishment is a meth bastard, a perpetrator of a great scourge on American society.

6 years for killing a 24-year-old innocent victim is not enough. 60 years is not enough. 600 years of hard labor in hell isn't enough. Your friend has my total sympathy.

[Redstone]

97. Hey, if it were up to me, you'd have been able to do that.

Or maybe not you, but certainly your friend, the son's mother or father.

Redstone

[montana_hazeleyes]

101. I appreciate everyone's

responses. I knew him his whole life. He was like a son to me and a brother to my kids. The guy who killed him knew him and had a grudge of some sort. The killer and his friends had been up for days on meth.

They get him to drive over, thinking things were okay and when the killer answered the door he started stabbing him. He tried running to his car but couldn't make it and died alone on the pavement of a parking lot.

That happened 10 years ago last Oct. 25th. Forever we have to remember his horrible last minutes. So I still have great grief and rage for what happened to him. But I know I'm not allowed to attack his murderer if I see him.

I hate to see an officer or anyone murdered, but I don't understand why their murders are more important than everyday citizens murders. Dougie's murderer would probably have gotten the death penalty if Dougie had been a cop.

[CBGLuthier]

2. The asshole is lucky to be alive, for now at least

In the old days, there wouldn;t even have been a trial.

I am not advocating those methods, but I will not condemn the police for beating the hell out of a guy who obviously is 100% guilty and had just killed a brother officer.

[Bunny]

3. He's "obviously 100% guilty"?

And you know this...how?

[AP]

5. because he was the only person in the room and he jumped out the window.

The scenarios by which he was justified or acting in self-defense are miniscule.

[NNN0LHI]

8. That is what the police say anyway

And we know police never lie.

Don

[AP]

15. This cop was trying to solve the murder of an old woman who was stabbed

and he gets killed in the process.

That kind of sucks.

[NNN0LHI]

17. That is what the police say anyway

And we know police never lie.

Don

[AP]

24. A RI DU'er who watched the press conference said that the police were

really upset, they said the guy was a good cop, and they seemed very sad.

Some bad cops may lie, but I've never seen a cop who was a good actor.

[mountainvue]

54. Is Buddy Cianci still the mayor

of Providence?

[Chemical Bill]

102. No, he's in jail n/t

[saigon68]

53. Yes Don, they won't respect due process

Besides with righteous police there is no need for formal charges, courts, jails, judges etc.

The police just do it all

Such as "KICK TYRONE'S ASS" above.

[okieinpain]

32. and neither do criminals. funny nobody around here believes

ken lay, but have no problem with an idiot like this one.

[NNN0LHI]

That's because no one is considered to be a criminal...

...until after they are convicted of a crime. Its a hell of a concept too. You ought to try it sometime.

Don

[okieinpain]

65. yeah, then why hate ken lay. he hasn't been convicted yet.

[NNN0LHI]

66. Where have I said I hate Ken Lay? Are you hallucinating?

Read post #62 and tell me what you think about that case.

Don

[okieinpain]

82. not hallucinating, just stating a fact. some around here believe

ken lay is guilty, yet he hasn't had his day in court. you say that no one is considered a criminal until they are convicted. we both no that is not true, because we all apply our own prejudices to current events.

your article is a good example of why people dislike the police, I'm not a big fan of them either. but in the case of this post, more then likely this guy is guilty of killing the old lady.

[AngryAmish]

81. False

"presumed innocent" only applies to the judge and jury prior to conviction. Everyone else is an American with a First Amendment right to form their own opinions about innocence or guilt.

That being said, the cops really gave that guy a pumpkin head.

[SouthernDem2004]

47. Um, he was obviously the only Officer in the room or the murderer would

have killed anyone else in the room. He had a gun!

[Bunny]

9. I'll wait until the evidence is presented in a court of law, thanks.

[AP]

13. And you should. All I'm saying is that the possible scenarios whereby

this guy was justified or acting in self defense are incredibly remote.

However, I bet there isn't even a trial (unless RI has the death penalty).

He'll probable plea guilty.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

22. Ditto.

The cops are not legally or constitutionally empowered to mete out punishment. Period. Let that start, and we all run the risk of being punished at someone's whim.

Is that the country we want? Is it?

[Redstone]

98. Much as I want to disagree on the basis of emotion,

I do have to agree with you on the basis of logic and, indeed, patriotism.

You are right. Other arguments against the cops whapping up on this guy may or may not be valid, but yours certainly is.

Well said.

Redstone

[Skeptic_All]

12. Let's see.......being interviewed by the detective from a third floor

interview room. No other suspects with him at the time. Jumps out the third story window after the detective is shot.

Now of course, it's certainly possible the detective shot HIMSELF twice and being startled by the gruesome sight in front of him, our hero JUMPS from the window!

Sounds plausible enough.

I agree with the previous poster. Had this been twenty, thirty years ago, there would have been no arraignment. Until you are in our shoes.......................I'm finished here.

[catnhatnh]

14. YOUR shoes....nah..

an officer of the law would never condone the commission of felonies...

[ret5hd]

16. looks like the cop could have been beating him...

to the point of fearing for his life. if thats the case, would he be justified in defending himself? or are we peons just supposed to take whatever you give...complete subjugation. i know the idea turns some of you on, but...

[Skeptic_All]

18. I know I said I was finished with this, but in your

haste to condemn the police (why doesn't this surprise me!?!), have we all forgotten this brainiak jumped from the third story window. Don't you think it's possible these injuries just might have been received during his rapid deceleration with terra firma? Or is this a possibility we've purposefully avoided considering?

[ret5hd]

19. i was asking a "what if" question...

you're the one pining for the good ol' days of thirty years ago (why doesn't this surprise me!?!).

[Lerkfish]

21. The police are responsible for the safety of a prisoner...

whether that prisoner is guilty or not.

seems like they would do well to remember that, now and then.

this "he's lucky it wasn't twenty years ago when we murdered suspects and called it justice" stuff rather turns my stomach.

[CBGLuthier]

51. Nobody said it was justice

If you are going to quote me, please try to be accurate.

I said (without lookinbg at my post to be exact) that was how it was. It wasn't justice but it sure as hell was how it was.

[Lerkfish]

60. thought it was pretty clear I wasn't quoting anyone specifically.

when you say "statement" followed by the word "stuff" I thought it was easily understood to be a conglomerate statement reflecting an attitude rather than a specific person.
I did'n't attempt to quote you as I didn't backtrack through the whole thread.

I WILL say, however, if you felt pricked in your conscience to reply, I have no control over that.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

25. Quite respectfully...

For I hold no disrespect for good, honest cops: That is a determination to be made by 12 good men and women true.

Police have a right and reason to protect themselves, yes. It's a job that can get real dirty, real quick. That said, they are not the arm of retribution. If that starts to occur, our justice system is gone.

Now, let us go back in time, to something I saw in Providence:

There was this big heavy metal club there that attracted buttheads thirteen to a dozen. Cops would descend on this place at closing time, decked out in their carabinieri uniforms(jodphurs included). They would also descend on the people leaving. It was harassment, pure and simple. Kid leaves, is drunk, gets hassled, gives lip. Two cops take him by the arms and run him repeatedly into a power pole. Leave kid on ground unconscious.

I got the hell away. Fast.

It certainly the prudent thing to do.

Locals told me later that this was a common sort of thing.

The fun things you see when you are touring with a rock band, huh?

[captain crunch]

87. all interigations are video taped.

His bruised face will heal, the cop on the other hand..........

[jayfish]

90. They Are?

Since when?

Jay

[davsand]

92. Depends on your state.

Barack Obama worked on that issue here in Illinois when he was a state Senator. That should come as no real shock since he was a civil rights lawyer and later a Con law Prof for one of the Law Schools...


Laura

[CBGLuthier]

23. I guess the detective just killed himself to frame this guy then.nt

[bigendian]

10. I hear you.

But it shows a lack of discipline. It's just like a fox hunt.
All that adrenaline at the end of the chase and what happens? The pack attacks.
Best to leave these things to the courts to hand out justice.

[atreides1]

11. The Constitution only applies to some???

So then you only believe in the guarantee of Constitutional Rights, for some but not all?

It doesn't matter if he's 100% guilty, or 10% guilty, this could very well result in the charges being tossed out because some punchy cops couldn't show some semblance of self control.

So while they may have gotten their licks in, they may very well have made this case a no starter, and that will result in a cop killer getting set free.

Yeah, the cops were real smart here.

And just for the record I don't regard cops as heroes, to me the true
heroes in the police force, are those that are not afraid to come forward when they see a fellow officer violate the law. Those that put up the "Blue Wall" are just as much part of the crime as the ones who commit them.

In my world the police would be held up to a higher standard. But that's me.

[Tempest]

20. You bring up a very good point

If it is found his civil rights were violated, the case against him will be a non-starter.

He would not only go free, but he could sue the police for abuse and violating his rights.

[petronius]

37. Why would he go free?

He may win a civil suit, but a beating during arrest wouldn't negate any evidence pointing toward his guilt. It's not as if there was a coerced confession or something illegal that would call his guilt into question. It seems to me that there are three possibilities:

1) He murdered the officer to escape, and hurt himself jumping out the window,
2) He murdered the officer to escape, and got beaten on the later arrest,
3) The murdered officer was beating him in the station, and he killed the officer in self defense.

I hope it is #1, but my guess would be a combination of #1 and #2 (#3 seems least likely to me)...

[NNN0LHI]

38. Sometimes people get thrown out of windows too. Just saying n/t

[petronius]

42. Very true...

But in this case, who did the throwing, if the cop was shot?

[NNN0LHI]

43. That is what court trials can determine n/t

[Skeptic_All]

46. Don't ask questions

which require some honest, intellectual thought to answer. There are a few (very few mind you) who are more than willing to give this creep a pass and point fingers at police officers who until now, have not been accused of any wrong doing.

I just love these "little darlings" who pop off about how much they hate cops. A rogue cop around every corner, a conspiracy behind every tree. No small wonder these people drink decaf!

[MARALE]

52. Allright, you are making me upset

Questions like "couldn't he have gotten the smashed in face when he jumped out a window?" is a stupid question. You do not get to look like that by jumping out a window, don't be stupid.

People do not want to give him a pass. I love cops, have friends that are cops. You can not take the law into your own hands when you are a cop. That is what sets you apart, that is what you are trained for. If you can not handle a bad situation like a fellow cop being killed, you should not be a cop. FINAL!

I can not condone what this man seems to have done, but the courts are there to handle it. You seem to forget that the people that are here to protect us CANNOT take the law into their own hands. Why do you want to blame US for saying this. This is not rocket science! This is the way it needs to be for a healthy society!!!!!

[SouthernDem2004]

48. Speaking the rights are not the Police considered innocent until proven

guilty? The guy did jump out of a third story window. That alone will cause injuries.

[NNN0LHI]

64. I even consider the cop in post #62 innocent until found guilty

I will certainly wait for the outcome of his trial before passing any judgment. I will keep you all updated on that case.

Don

[LiberallyInclined]

34. I will. the cops had/have NO RIGHT to brutalize a suspect-

just to get revenge.
there are laws against it, and if the cops did brutalize him, i hope he goes free, and the cops responsible get jail time.

[Not_So_Right_Wing]

58. Are you kidding...?

I could understand you saying that the Cops should be punished but if this creep is found guilty he should go to jail for life, no matter what happened to him after the fact. We don;t put justice on hold just because some rouge cops may have beat him up.

[LiberallyInclined]

75. no- I'm NOT kidding-

IMHO- If the cops did that to the guy unnecessarily and intentionally to cause harm, he should go free, AND sue the state for a healthy settlement ala the taxpayers, and the asshole cops should be sent to prison & locked up- in the general population.

[saigon68]

93. What's a "ROUGE COP"????

Answer-- the one with the pink cheeks.

[ashiebr]

45. "I will not condemn the police ............

.......... for beating the hell out of a guy who obviously is 100% guilty and had just killed a brother officer".

Silly me, I thought this was DU. I seem to have logged-on to some freeper site by accident.

[catnhatnh]

4. Here it comes....

...a thousand excuses for an officer of the law to violate their sworn duty and commit vicious felonies on a prisoner. No excuse will convince me this is acceptable behavior and if you accept this you should examine your commitment to democratic ideals...

[Tempest]

6. Amen

And welcome to DU.

[catnhatnh]

7. Thanks...

...I lurk here a lot but with typing like mine it takes a lot to get me mad enough to write...But this one did

[NYC]

49. Welcome to DU.

I agree that police should never step outside the law.

[catnhatnh]

26. Why does the American public put up...

...with this "cop killer" horseshit???Of course its fed to us in all the "cop" shows, but why the hell is it pefectly acceptable to beat a cop killer suspect nearly to death while all other suspects are expected to be handled properly. The police will say because it was one of their own...horseshit again-every murder victim is one of their own (human being) and also one of OUR own,and we neither expect nor allow the police to extract retribution for killing a "civilian". In point of fact a policeman killed "in the line" is normally a healthy physically fit human being ARMED WITH A GUN!!! Their chances in any confrontation is infinitely better than unarmed seniors and children faced with a violent felon. Sometimes they lose and that is a tradgedy. But it does not confer their "brothers" wuth a supra-constitutional hunting license....

[paula777]

27. He went through a window and jumped 3 stories after he killed the cop

Thats what caused those injuries. Oh, but he'll be recieving more

[reprobate]

28. I'm getting just a little sick of the cop haters scuttling around here.

A bit of perspective is necessary here. May I respectfully suggest that, if your first response is to blame the cop, that you place yourself in his or her shoes for a change. And, while your in the shoes, strap on the rest of the equipment that goes with the job. Sidearm, taser, mace, batton, cuffs, radio,etc, etc,.

The one major necessary characteristic of any LEO is paranoia. You must realize the everyone, EVERYONE, is lying to you. And you must realize that you are the quintessential authority figure, so a good portion of the population will do their best to fuck you up if they get the chance.

As a patrol cop most of the people you see day after day are experiencing the worst day of their lives. They are either victims, or savages, and sometimes both. And it's time to accept the fact that some of our esteemed citizens are savages, not innocents caught in a bad choice, they are people whose world view makes violence on others the one thing in their power, and they will use it in a moment. That's where the paranoia comes in. You must watch them at all moments to protect yourself and others. Lose that concentration for just a moment, like that detective likely did, and you make you wife a widow.

So put yourself in that position and then try to imagine the courage it would take to physically subdue and capture this armed fugitive who just killed your brother and an old lady, and won't hesitate to kill you. It would be so much easier and satisfying to just blow his ass away, but your training and the law require that you capture him, mo matter the danger to yourself or your fellows. And you must do it with minimum damage to this animal ...no, not animal, they have an innocence this one gave up in childhood. This kind have an active hate for anything not themselves. There are no innocents to them.

And here's an easy way to put yourself in the cop's shoes. Call your local police dept. and ask for a "ride along", the opportunity to ride with one of the patrol cops in your city. With luck it may even be in the sector that covers your home. Most of them will be happy to set you up. Oh, and ask for the 8pm to 4am shift. That's where all the action is. It'll give you an entirely new world view. And maybe make a friend or two. After all, it's not a bad thing to know one of the good guys.

[candy]

31. Thanks for your post---too many cop haters around here and they--

would be the first ones to cry "lawsuit" if the police weren't right there when they needed one.

[jayfish]

35. Oh, Cry Me A River.

And your damn right I'd be the first one to cry lawsuit if the police are in the wrong. Whether I hate them or not is immaterial. Whether everyone they deal with hates them is immaterial, Whether their best friend just got killed is immaterial. Whether they have the hardest job in the whole wide world is immaterial. I pay my fucking taxes and when I need them they better be there to do their fucking jobs with a smile. If not, GET OFF THE JOB! Do you think that cops don't know what they are getting into when they sign up? People die on the job every day, do their co-workers get to beat the shit out of those responsible?

Jay

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[BreweryYardRat]

67. (shakes head)

Man, I don't know what your problem is. You know, just because you have the whole "I pay taxes-I'm entitled to perfect civil service!" mentality going on doesn't mean you're right.

Cops are human beings, not machines. They're able to make mistakes, and they have emotions too. They're busy almost all the damn time they're on shift, too. Contrary to popular belief, they don't just sit around and eat donuts. They may not always be able to be there when you need them, because they're busy dealing with something else.
If it is an emergency, they will put aside something minor to come help you.

Now, I'm getting off track here, so let me sum things up for you: COPS ARE NOT PERFECT-DON'T EXPECT THEM TO ACT THAT WAY!!! They may well have succumbed to their emotions briefly and beaten this man. If that happened, they are indeed in the wrong. On the other hand, those injuries could easily have been incurred by jumping out a third-story window. Until we know for sure what the deal is, we can't pass judgement, and we sure as hell can't automatically assume it was the cop's fault.

Clear enough for you?

[jayfish]

74. I Don't Know What Your Talking About.

That was a nice rant but what did it have to do with my point? Let me be more succinct for you.

I have the right to call on the service of law enforcement even though I may not particularly enjoy their company.


Clear enough for you?

Jay

[SouthernDem2004]

72. link:

http://www.nleomf.com/TheMemorial/Facts/daifacts.htm

[jayfish]

76. Not Really The Point Of My Post But...

here are some links for you.

NONFATAL ASSAULTS IN THE WORKPLACE

<SNIP>
Estimated Magnitude of the Problem

A number of recent estimates have been made of the current magnitude of nonfatal assaults in U.S. workplaces. The first comes from the BLS Annual Survey of Occupational Injuries and Illnesses (ASOII). The ASOII is an annual survey of approximately 250,000 private establishments. This survey excludes the self- employed, small farmers, and government workers. These data indicate that 22,400 workplace assaults occurred in 1992; these represented 1% of all cases involving days away from work . Unlike homicides, nonfatal workplace assaults are distributed almost equally between men (44%) and women (56%). The majority of the nonfatal assaults reported in the ASOII occurred in the service (64%) and retail trade (21%) industries. Of those in services, 27% occurred in nursing homes, 13% in social services, and 11% in hospitals. In retail trade, 6% occurred in grocery stores, and another 5% occurred in eating and drinking places (Table 11). The source of injury in 45% of the cases was a health care patient (Figure 3), with another 31% described as other person and 6% as coworker or former coworker. The BLS coding system requires that the object or substance that directly inflicted the injury be coded as the source of the injury; thus 5% of the assaults are coded as structures and surfaces (these are likely events where workers were pushed into walls or to floors), and another 4% are categorized as tools (these include events in which knives or other weapons were used). Nearly half (47%) of the workplace assaults were described as incidents involving hitting, kicking, or beating; there were also cases of squeezing, pinching, scratching, biting, stabbing, and shooting, as well as rapes and threats of violence (Table 12). The median days away from work as the result of an assault was 5, but this figure varied by type of assault (Table 12).

____________________________________________________________________________

Table 11. Violent acts resulting in days away from work in 1992, by industry
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Violent acts resulting in
days away from work
Industry (% of total)
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Services 64
Nursing homes 27
Social services 13
Hospitals 11
Other services 13
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Retail trades 21
Grocery stores 6
Eating and drinking places 5
Other retail 10
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Transportation/communication/
public utilities 4
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Finance/insurance/real estate 4
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Other 4
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Manufacturing 3
____________________________________________________________________________
Source: BLS <1994d>.
</SNIP>




HOMICIDE IN THE WORKPLACE



<SNIP>
Table 8. Workplace homicides in high-risk industries—United States,
1980–89 and 1990–92^*,†
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1980–89 1990–92
Industry Number Rate Number Rate __________________________________________________________________________________

Taxicab services 287 26.9 138 41.4
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Liquor stores 115 8.0 30 7.5
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Gas service stations 304 5.6 68 4.8
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Detective/protective services 152 5.0 86 7.0
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Justice/public order establishments 640 3.4 137 2.2
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Grocery stores 806 3.2 330 3.8
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Jewelry stores 56 3.2 26 4.7
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Hotels/motels 153 1.5 33 0.8
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Barber shops 14 1.5 4 ^‡
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Eating/drinking places 734 1.5 262 1.5
__________________________________________________________________________________
Source: NIOSH <1995> (data for 1980–89 from Castillo and Jenkins <1994>).

^*Data for New York City and Connecticut were not available for 1992.
^†Rates are per 100,000 workers.
^‡Rate was not calculated because of the instability of rates based on small
numbers.
</SNIP>





Jay

[SouthernDem2004]

78. Lobster fishing is the worst and I believe garbagemen are 2nd.

[Redstone]

99. Not lobster fishing, King Crab fishing off Alaska.

Redstone

[rocktivity]

40. I completely understand that he killed an cop AND tried to escape

And I certainly understand that, as a result, the other cops would feel less than lovey-dovey towards him. But unless the perp landed on his face, I will have to be convinced that his injuries were a necessary part of the takedown and NOT the result of cops acting as judge, jury, and attempted executioners. No matter how much someone deserves it, that CANNOT be tolerated in this country whether you carry a badge or not. There were drops of blood on his mask. His wounds did not appear to have been tended to, and he most likely should have been arragined from a hospital bed.

:headbang:
rocknation

[reprobate]

77. Tolerated? Of course not. But you judged the cops guilty without even

...hearing the full story. Have you ever seen someone who has fallen three stories? Even landing in shrubbery he would likely sustain severe facial injuries.

You dont want the cops acting as judge and jury and executioner, yet you are willing to condemn them just on an article in the papers?

And no, I will not say that cops are angels. They are something even more wonderful, people. Just like you and me, trying to do the best they can with what they have. To condemn them out of hand is to condemn ourselves.

[rocktivity]

94. Let's just say I have a reasonable doubt

based on the available (and admittedly circumstantial) evidence. So I don't think I'm "rushing to judgement" any more than the cops might have.


rocknation

[reprobate]

100. Oh, that makes sense. Quite reasonable

[Lerkfish]

61. Sorry, but that's BS. My ex brother in law's a cop...

and I wouldn't trust him to carry my garbage.
Like every profession, there are good and bad.
BUT, knowing cops as I do, I ALSO know there's a little winkwinknudgenudge about roughing up certain suspects, and its practically open season on cop-killers.
For you to think otherwise would be naive.

That doesn't mean I hate cops, and that doesn't mean I think cop-killers are wonderful people, it means there is a reality to the situation that blindly supporting the cops ignores.

[BreweryYardRat]

63. Thank you!

Always nice to see someone supporting our cops here.

[TNOE]

83. Sorry, but your post is reminiscent of Abu Gurab

Just as the supposed innocent until proven guilty "prisioners" at Abu Gurab (know I'm not spelling that correctly) should not have been tortured BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW, neither should policeman be able to circumvent the justice system and blame their "emotions" and BREAK THE LAW. I agree with the above poster who asks why a police life is worth more than any other life. The people pay your salary, the people expect you to do your job for that salary, not to enforce your own system of justice. Police want to pretend to be heros, when they aren't. Sure there are some good cops who have done some good things, but there are some bad cops who have done some horrific things. Believe me, I know.

Police just like soldiers volunteered for their jobs. You are making an assumption that "all" police are lily white and righteous and "all" people with whom police come in contact with are either "victims or savages". Neither is the case. It's not a black and white world, there are lots of shades of gray.

Case in point - the 48 Hours special (I belive that was the show) where a group of girls took the black male dancer to a cops party, and the cops summarily beat the guy within an inch of his life. When other cops were called to "help" the "victim", they proceeded to beat him too. All over a SUPPOSED stolen badge. The badge has never been found.

Children are now risking their lives every day just attending school and I'm sick of these policeman who think because they wear a uniform and badge and legally carry a gun, that justice is their's. It's not, and most of them are not hero's. Alot of them go into police work for the same reason alot of soldiers go into "soldiering" - because they want to kill some "ragheads" or they want to bash some heads, legally. They are not above the law. Period. They should be punished to the full extent of the law if guily, just as the criminal should be, but, at least this criminal may have an excuse, if he is truly retarted. The police have no such excuse.

[jukes]

29. i neither like or trust cops

but we need to wait for the investigation to determine if:

a. its a fair & honest investigation

b. there is any evidence to exonerate or condemn the cops in this case.


just too many variables; too little solid information available yet.

[ugarte]

30. So why is it worse to kill a cop than an average person?

I've never understood this line of reasoning, like saying some lives are worth more. Is it worse to kill a fireman or a cop, or a homeless person? Who should I grieve more?

[Blue Diadem]

33. It's obvious he went through the glass..look at the cuts on his face

and falling 3 stories isn't going to leave him looking normal. We have no idea what he landed on or in when he hit the ground.

[NNN0LHI]

39. Is it obvious if he was thrown out the window or jumped out...

...the window by looking at that photo?

Don

[Blue Diadem]

57. Of course it isn't obvious, but considering his relatives have said

he is mentally ill, I'm voting for him jumping. I'm sure the cops had to get rough too. If the man was willing to kill a cop and jump through a window 3 stories high, I doubt his capture was a cakewalk.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

36. In an interview on the local news last night, his aunt had said

That he was mentally ill, and they had been trying to get him help for a while now. (the suspect).

I don't know enough about the case to form an opinion...

[pie]

50. What if the man is mentally ill?

If this man is mentally ill and he was
in fact beaten to a bloody pulp by cops
I want to see cops going to prison.

I would also want to see every cop involved lose all earthly
possessions in a civil suit.

[jwcomer]

56. What on earth would that solve?

Rather than rage, you should look with compassion at the cops as much as the murderer. Destroying the lives of these men would solve nothing. Better training and counseling would.

[pie]

69. They have been trained

This is the job they do.
Let them pay for what they have done.

[SouthernDem2004]

73. Found them guilty already I see. Yea! Screw the Constitution and the

facts!

[rocktivity]

44. "A Providence cop and an FBI agent...were the first to grab...Carpio

...followed moments later by a pair of Rhode Island state troopers.

'It was not easy for all involved, our officers, the FBI agent, the Rhode Island State Police, all the officers that were there, to actually get the handcuffs on him,' Esserman said.

When asked if he had any reason to believe officers used excessive force collaring Carpio, Esserman paused, his eyes downcast. 'No,' he said after a moment."

The article doesn't say whether the four officers were in the room when Carpio jumped out the window, or happened to be there when he landed and started running. But of course it wasn't easy--how can it possibly be easy to be nice to someone who'd just killed one of your fellow officers? Wanting to administer a little "instant justice" is the most natural reaction in the world. But THAT'S where you're supposed to draw the line--especially if you're in law enforcement!

:headbang:
rocknation

[NNN0LHI]

62. This is the kind of thing that makes people distrust what the police say

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/wptv/article/0,2547,TCP_1213_3711562,00.html

Witnesses challenge Delray officer's account of teen shooting

By John Cote; Sun-Sentinel
April 19, 2005

The Delray Beach police officer who killed Jerrod Miller as the teen drove down a narrow walkway said he aimed for the head and fired because he feared the boy would run down someone at a school dance.

"There were people directly in the path, a large group of people," rookie Officer Darren Cogoni said in a videotaped statement made hours after the shooting and played Monday during an inquest into Miller's death.

"Had I not thought that vehicle was going to strike those people, I would not have fired my weapon," Cogoni said in a separate sworn statement read in court. "I thought that the least amount of harm ... would be to fire my weapon at that point."

Those statements were at odds with other witnesses' accounts, said Rick Caplano, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement special agent who questioned Cogoni and headed the shooting investigation.

Caplano testified he interviewed 33 witnesses in the Feb. 26 shooting at the Delray Full Service Center but could identify no one in the path of the car or in a parking area where it was headed when Miller was killed by a single bullet to the back of his head.

more

[SouthernDem2004]

68. Lol, All you post is negative articles about the Police.

Read the entire article you just posted and you notice some people said they did see people in the path. So what it comes down to is some people saw people in danger and some did not. Fairly normal was witnesses go.

I guess attempting to bash the Police is a hobby of yours. Good luck with that.

[NNN0LHI]

70. Copy and paste the testomomy of the "some" people you speak of n/t

[SouthernDem2004]

71. Lol, read your own link:

"Assistant State Attorney Douglas Fulton said in an opening statement that when the shots were fired "there is great doubt anybody's lives were in danger because we can't put any students there, even though some people said they saw them."



http://www.nleomf.com/TheMemorial/Facts/daifacts.htm

[geek tragedy]

80. Brutality is a breakdown in discipline and unamiguously bad.

At the same time, I have no sympathy for this animal. He probably stabbed that old woman too.

[Massachusetts]

84. The murdered detective was a caring parent to his daughters,

Carprio is a BAD SEED and he is lucky to be alive.IMO

[Lerkfish]

88. so, should a cop killer be given less due process than someone who

would have killed his daughters?

or anyone's daughers? Are police as victims of crime MORE entitled to retribution than any other citizen?

Are the family values of the victim justification for the treatment of the prisoner?

do you have differing standards of who is a BAD SEED? do you think someone who kills a homeless person or a prostitute is as bad as someone who kills a cop?

[jayfish]

91. I Think Another Question...

pops up in all of this. Should LEO's be subject to enhanced penalties for violating laws that they are sworn to enforce?

Jay

[Lerkfish]

95. well, certainly its their job to enforce the laws, so automatically

violating those laws would be reflected on their job performance, in addition to the criminality of it.

In other words, I could (conceivably) be a drug addict AND an actor, and being arrested would NOT inhibit my career. (certainly doesn't seem to the be the case, anyways).
but if I were a drug addict AND a policeman in charge of arresting other drug addicts, then my crimes would be a direct conflict with my job.

[progressivebydesign]

89. Gee.. I feel for him, but I can't quite reach.

I reminds me of those screaming that the lethal injection for the death penalty actually hurts. Gosh.. wonder if it hurts to be murdered?

[Redstone]

96. He killed a fucking cop. There's no question that he did it.

So fuck him. He's lucky they didn't also break both of his kneecaps. I would have, which is a damn good reason why I could never be a cop.

On edit: That said, refer to post #22 for an excellent reason why people, including me, may want to reconsider feeling this way.

Redstone