Minuteman founder leaving Mexico border

[Rose Siding]

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - The chief organizer of the Minuteman Project, which attracted hundreds of volunteers to watch for illegal immigrants and smugglers along the Mexican border, said Monday he's leaving his post early.

Jim Gilchrist said the watch project has been a success and will continue through the end of the month as planned, but under a different name.

"The operation is continuing, but it's not under the Minuteman Project," Gilchrist said. "There's nothing for us to do here. We're bored to death. But people are staying here."
....
Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame expressed surprise at Monday's announcement. "Gilchrist said it (the project) was going to run for a month. He takes off halfway through and declares victory? Sounds kind of strange," Adame said.

http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/nation/story/2320272p-10537783c.html

[donco6]

1. What a dick.

So where are the hordes of illegals? Is the problem really a manpower issue or not? They should be grilling his ass on his definition of "victory."

[GoldenOldie]

3. Jim Gilchrist got the attention he was looking for

This one time Air Force Officer was not meant for the grunt work of actually having to walk around with a lot of gear.

He had his 2-weeks vacation in Arizona but now that temperatures on the desert are beginning to rise and the media is hot on the trail of Michael Jackson, The Vatican, Tom DeLay, and no longer hauling their satatelite vans to the Arizona Border, Jim don wanna play no more.

Now he can write on his resume that he organized, and trained his littlie militia to protect the United States of America's Borders from terrorist invasions.

To bad our troops in the ME can't do the same thing......Georgie the commander of our US troops said "Mission Accomplished," too.

He proclaimed himself a hero, so now he's going on the road to give speech's of his heroism.........at $25,000 a pop.

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[donco6]

7. Are you serious?

Or just jokin' around?

Cause if you're serious, someone might call you an asshole.

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[donco6]

9. Who said anything about racist?

I just said some people might call you an asshole. Or maybe a self-absorbed asshat. Or a self-righteous know-it-all.

But that's just some people.

[Bridget Burke]

31. But--he's an intellectual radical!

Can't you tell from his user name? Really Far Left!

We need to support the Minutemen to prove we're not elitists. That's the latest message being flogged here.

Let them protest in front of the corporations oppressing workers around the world.

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[Bridget Burke]

39. Yes, your admiration is plain to see.

For the "blue collar freeper types."

[Toots]

53. Same MO here as Bush*..Get bored half way through and quit

Maybe he should run for President now that he has saved American workers so they can pick apples. I'm sure that is where we will meet up. At the next fruit picking job site.:crazy:

[barb162]

14. "nannies and restaurant busboys" and lawn service and

construction and factory work and....

The Bush plan to destroy the American workforce (forcing wages down, reducing benefits, etc) is well in place. He really has no intention of beefing up border patrol (except shifting 500 border police around and minimal hiring) unless it is forced down his stupid throat by Congress.

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[Krupskaya]

49. Stop assuming some of us aren't lower middle class.

Then you might get somewhere. Until then, STFU.

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[bushisanidiot]

51. We ARE the middle and lower middle class. How can we demonize

ourselves??

the cheap labor repukes are the reason illegal aliens are finding work in this country. Wal-Mart isn't a trillion dollar industry because they pay fair wages to american citizens.

you need to take off YOUR blinders..

the repukes are sticking it to american lower and middle class workers.. even those who are stupid enough to vote repuke themselves!

gay marriage!! gay marriage!! keep voting repuke otherwise your gay neighbor will be able to marry his partner of 20 years!! omigod!!!!

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

70. I just LOVE the way this tripe gets tossed around as fact

and yeah...the manner in which people would scapegoat the LEAST of us DOES say a lot about them

[barb162]

81. good points!

[No Exit]

24. I get it

Liberal democrats and "paleocons" are about to start bumping into each other. Why? Because of George W. Bush. (Well... he always said he was a "uniter", not a divider...)

Congrats, George! You've turned THIS republican voter into a republican hater. Fuck the republicans. I'm glad I was never deluded enough to give them money, or to register as one, but I greatly regret ever having voted for them at all.

So the blue collar guys have all decided that they're republicans now? Fine. But as they got deeper into that cesspool of a party, they found they were having to talk to the shiny corporate fancy-suited greedy "pro-business" (that means pro-employer) hypocrites. The blue collar guys feel as uncomfortable as if they'd just been thrown into a debutante tea dance.

This illegal immigration issue is one issue on which Bush's faithful are now refusing to follow King Georgie. That is a good thing. This illegals business is something which is splitting his rotten party down the middle. As you said, divide and conquer! We didn't have to do a thing--Junior did it to himself when he called a bunch of middle-aged people in lawn chairs "vigilantes". Here's to the repuke party splitting open wider than a slammed pinata.

[barb162]

11. I read that Mexican police or army were on the south side of the

border keeping their citizens away from the border in the area the Minutemen were monitoring.

[Zorra]

2. Even with the "Minutemen" there, the Border Patrol still apprehended

almost 2,500 people illegally crossing the border in that one county in 15 days?
:wow:

[barb162]

12. yes, wow, an amazing number coming in illegally

[spartan61]

4. Lou Dobbs talked with Gilchrist today on his program.

Because of the success of the MM program, the other founder will help to get the program started on the borders of other states, including the northern border with Canada. Gilchrist will organize groups to protest in front of companies where illegal aliens have been hired. Dobbs said that at the beginning of the MM project, the two founders were totally stressed because of all the flack they were receiving, but the MM project has been more successful than they could have ever imagined. Good for them because they have shown America that the citizens can take charge and do what is right, even without the help of the government.

[chlamor]

5. If the citizens

were to do what is right they might:

A) Demand a Gov't that didn't execute policies that moved others off their land and stole all their resources;

B) Stop buying stolen goods which come from the South

Whose blood was in your morning coffee?

[w4rma]

16. Canada? Is he going to try to keep Americans out of Canada?

Or apprehend old folks who are crossing the border into Canada to get their prescriptions filled at a much lower price than here in the U.S.?

Because I really don't see any movement from Canada to the U.S., these days.

None the less, on the border between the U.S. and Mexico they've done a good job bringing attention to this issue. That's good.

I hope they don't waste everybody's time with the Canadian boarder tho.

[barb162]

19. I hope he really speaks out in Congress next week at that

committee. Our illustrious Congress (many of whom are probably using illegals as servants) won't do a damned thing about the borders until they realize they may not get re-elected in 2006.

[Bridget Burke]

30. Protesting in front of companies?

That sounds like a good idea.

Where's a link that proves Gilchrist will do it?

[Don Claybrook]

10. Bye, dumbass.

I wonder what modern-day Garden of Eden this nimrod will be returning to, so as to grace the place with his presence. Maybe he can start watching for black UN helicopters instead.

[leesa]

13. They're bored to death? Well, then there is quite obviously no

raging river of illegals pouring across the border, now, is there. They are demonstrating that there is no problem.

[barb162]

15. see the last line of the story?

Over a million illegals a year is a raging river

[MrTriumph]

17. Bush loves open borders- He appreciates the support of confused DUers

Myth: Americans won't take the jobs that illegals will.

Well, not unless the pay is fair and conditions safe. Why is that so unreasonable?

Oh, because most of those jobs are either task oriented labor, back breaking work or a hands-on skill. Sadly, some people are just a little bit arrogant when talking about jobs that aren't like theirs.

[barb162]

18. I know a guy who had a landscaping service that had all

American citizens back when landscaping was a fairly high paying field. He had to go out of business when competitors started hiring illegals. He just wouldn't do it, that is, hire illegals to keep his business (he's a voting democrat by the way). He does landscaping now only for enjoyment in his own back yard and misses it terribly. He loved working outdoors and loved his business. A lot of this is going on in construction and so many other fields these days too. Some people just won't or refuse to get it. I agree with you, friend, Americans did do ALL these jobs before the illegals started getting hired. I think Americans can still and are willing do these jobs at the pay they got before the illegals and the employers drove wages down.

[No Exit]

25. Gilchrist is supposedly off to help organize protests against employers

who hire illegals. This is gonna be great. Construction companies, etc., are going to find little groups of people walking the sidewalk in front of their offices with signs.

And these good republicans--these construction company owners and other business owners--won't be able to dismiss the little sign-holding people by saying "Goddamn liberals!" Oh, no. These protesters will be their own party's "base". Staunch republicans.

It's gonna be fun to watch.

[Bridget Burke]

34. Where can I find out more about his plans.

Protests against employers sound better than interfering with the Border Patrol.

However, I haven't yet seen the link explaining his new plan.

[GoldenOldie]

69. So I was right!

Retired Air Force Officer Jim Gilchrist, gets a lotta media/press attention by calling his organization "The Minitemen," and getting his wannabe warriors to haul their campers/motorhomes, cellphones, side-arms, video cameras, camp chairs, binoculars, sun-block, and their sorry ass's down to the Southeast Arizona Border.....covering all of about a 20-mile open area.

His 2-week vacation was enough to get him a little tan and a whole lot of media attention, as he sat in his campchair, binoculars lifted to eyes so as to view the wide-open expanse of desert around Naco and the Doulas/Agua Prieta vista. Wonder if he took his lunch breaks in Bisbee, at the wonderful historic Copper Queen Hotel. I can imagine warrior Gilchrist sitting around one of the old tables that once served the likes of John Wayne extolling his border adventures.

Mr./LTC, Ret. has turned his 2-week vacation into the expert on illegals entering the US. His expertise will now be used as Congress calls him to testify on border problems and what can be done to stop the illegals. He has already appeared on Lou Dobb's? I missed that. It won't take long for the POTUS Georgie to name him as the new Border Czar for Homeland Security, because his 2-week vacation on the border of Arizona has now made him an expert on the problems.

This guy is good........what a way to make a job for yourself..... He is now ready to go on the speaking tours......big bucks. He is ready and waiting to fill the phoney set-up jobs for Homeland Security, or some CON protection systems group. Somebody's gotta pay for the travel costs for the COL. It's expensive bein a MinuteMan.

[No Exit]

89. There are frequent news stories posted

about Gilchrist and the Minutemen on www.libertypost.org. (Warning: the site contains some really sickening Bush Kool-aid drinkers. But fortunately it also contains some people who regularly smack them down.)

Also, just check on some of the sites that have been forbidden from being posted on stodgy, dishonest, old freerepublic. One of them, I think, is www.alipac.com. (Or their site might be www.alipac.org, I'm not sure.) This alipac group is deep into the borders/illegals issue. Freerepublic hates them because freerepublic knows that issue makes Bush look really bad, and it's hard to polish a turd when people keep saying, "But...but... that's a TURD you're polishing there!"

[earth mom]

44. Agreed. Saying citizens don't want to do those "kind" of jobs is a crock!

For 24 yrs, before he died, my dad was a self employed painting contractor in Southern California who liked working by himself or sometimes with a friend. He took on jobs in his neighborhood-small tract homes which are the norm in many areas there-which usually took him a week to do. Towards the end of his 24 years at this work, it was blatantly obvious that he lost more and more jobs to yes-"undocumented workers"-because they would do the job for WAY less and usually had more guys working so it took half the time.

That's why I'm SO tired of people saying this is a racist issue! :eyes: What it is is EXPLOITATION by business/employers and nothing more. Citizens and undocumented workers alike are getting the shaft over this situation: EVERYONE IS PAID LESS AND SCREWED OVER AS A RESULT. :grr:

[barb162]

78. you got it

[leesa]

36. ?? The last line of the story says nothing like that

"He said that for the first 15 days of April, Border Patrol agents in the Naco area apprehended fewer than 2,500 people. Apprehensions in the area totaled 7,672 for the same period last year."

The bottom line is that these people come because we willingly employ them.

[DulceDecorum]

20. "Illegal" immigrants rebuilt the Pentagon after September 11.

Many of the immigrants rebuilding the Pentagon came to America the hard way, sneaking across the Mexican border. Ortiz sloshed across the Rio Grande 13 years ago. On a recent day, he gazed from a viewing platform at the restored Pentagon's vast gray wall. "Who would have thought, 13 years ago, when I was on my porch in El Salvador, that I'd be standing outside the Pentagon?" marveled the supervisor. Ortiz is among the lucky ones. Like many Salvadorans who arrived in the late 1980s, he quickly got a temporary work permit and eventually became a legal permanent resident. He is the father of three U.S.-born girls and owns a house in Fort Totten. "A few years from now, we're going to try the citizenship," said Ortiz, who works for a Pentagon subcontractor, Potomac Services. Others have fewer guarantees about their future.

Danilo Aleman stripped asbestos for three months in the fall as part of the demolition that began soon after the hijacked American Airlines jet slammed into the Pentagon's western face. Like many workers in the high-risk asbestos-removal field, Aleman travels to projects across the country, jumping into his car when a recruiter calls. At the Pentagon, he worked 12-hour shifts seven days a week, tumbling into bed at night in a cheap hotel room he shared with two other immigrants. For the Honduran immigrant, a fervent patriot who displays the U.S. flag on his car, his bandanna and even his 6-month-old son's clothing, working at the Pentagon was an honor.

"I'd give my life for the United States," said Aleman, 28, a New Orleans resident. He came to this country illegally eight years ago, fleeing poverty, and obtained working papers in 1999. "This is the country that's fed me. I even tell my mother . . . I owe everything I have to this country." But it's not clear whether Aleman will be able to stay here. Like many Honduran and Salvadoran laborers at the Pentagon, he has temporary protected status, which grants them short-term work permits while their countries recover from disasters. The permits for Hondurans expire in July; the U.S. government hasn't said whether it will extend them.
http://www.ailf.org/pubed/pe_911_article_latinomuscle.asp

[BadNews]

21. I'm torn on this one

Do I

A) back the illegal immigrants because I would do the same as them in their situation?

OR

B) fight against big corporations by slowing the flow of illegals to increase wages for blue collar Americans?

I don't know the answer.

[No Exit]

27. Please choose "B"

C'mon, anything that annoys or cuts into big corporations can't be bad!

As for the Mexicans themselves, what needs to be done is that they need a new government, and numerous reforms to THEIR system, which will make them not have to leave home in order to get paid decently.

This might start if they'd quit harassing Lopez-Obrador. Something like 80,000 Mexicans recently demonstrated in order to show support for him, and to protest the treatment of him by Fox and others.

[bunkerbuster1]

32. You can be pro-business and still choose "B."

It's just a matter of sticking up for legal, ethical business practices. Basing your business on illegal labor is neither legal nor ethical. And it should be far, far easier to prosecute, fine and jail those who hire illegals.

[BadNews]

83. I didn't expect this from DU.

I thought that closing the border to illegals was a conservative thing. I thought most here would advocate letting people move freely across nationalist borders.

Like I said, I'm torn. I know that if I lived in Mexico, I would make an attempt or two to get here. The standard of living is so much higher. I don't blame one of them for coming here.

I do however blame our government. The low wage illegals make it impossible for some industries to pay a decent wage and still stay afloat. Mid sized farms in California are a great example. Illegals are fare cheaper to hire for picking grapes than American laborers. For the sake of our own workers, the border should be sealed. I may even advocate putting the national guard along both our northern and southern borders. At least then they would be protecting us rather than the olil in Iraq.

I still don't know the answer. I'm very torn here.

[bunkerbuster1]

86. It'd be way cheaper to crack down on businesses hiring undocu-

mented workers than it would be to "seal up" our borders, which would entail not just actual border fences and guards but much tighter controls at ports.

Face it, this country's ruling class wants the slave labor, just as surely as they want to keep us divided by inflaming us over the social issues.

[No Exit]

88. If I lived in Mexico, and wanted to move here,

I'd try to do so legally.

I wonder if that's possible? Are they sneaking in here because there's no other way to get here? Or are they just being lazy and not bothering to look into legal ways to do it?

They also need to make some changes in their government.

[gtar100]

90. The wait time for legal immigration is 20 to 30 years.

Would you be willing to wait for that long while your family lives in deep poverty?

The INS process has virtually ensured a steady flow of illegal immigration.

[No Exit]

87. That's true

Why should those businesses who don't cheat (don't hire illegals) have to put up with those who do?

We need to reward the ones which follow the law.

[MADem]

22. I can translate Jim Gilchrist's remarks, if anyone is interested!

What he really said is "There are no reporters, TV cameras, interviewers, or anyone slapping my fat face on the tee vee anymore, and no one is writing articles about me, so I'm gonna take my gun and go home. Damn that Pope dying, that Michael Jackson trial and that Tom DeLay getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, anyhow!"

[barb162]

23. I think the article said he was testifying in Congress next week

[Erika]

26. Sean Hannity appeared as a total nincompoop on Fox

As he chose to broadcast from the Arizona/Mexico border. He had a jacket and black shirt on and looked in total distress. You think he might have had some advisors tell him that area temperatures are at at 100 degrees this time of year? What an idiot.

[No Exit]

28. What a revolting turd Hannity is

and his coverage of the Minutemen was said to be halfhearted. This, of course, was because he was probably afraid that Jorge would be displeased.

[tyedyeto]

57. It actually hasn't been that hot here yet...

Last week temps finally hit 90, maybe 91, for a couple of days. And still is in the upper 40's to low 50's at night. It's also been quite windy, typical for this time of year.

I don't watch Faux news so didn't see the segment.
(this is just a weather report from someone living fairly close to the border)

[Voltaire99]

29. How to become a 21st century US media celebrity (in three E-Z steps!)

Step One: Identify a powerless and vulnerable group.

Step Two: Persecute the hell out of them.

Step Three: Lou Dobbs will see you now!

This simple patented formula works equally well for vigilantes, cops, soldiers, pundits, politicians, country and western singers and corporations. Side effects may include reduced integrity, inflation of ego, and in extreme cases loss of your mortal soul. Use only as directed.

[frictionlessO]

35. hehehehehehe... who said that as soon as it got hot that these guys would

leave????

I remember a couple of threads with that conversation in it....

Does this mean that neo-nazis are taking control now???

[DeaconBlues]

40. One man is leaving - the entire group is actually getting larger

They are picking up more volunteers by the day. I guess the heat isn't much of a factor, after all.

[frictionlessO]

71. Yep guess you're right... so happy we have an armed militia

at our border that has some serious racists involved.

Wonder if all those new recruits are being thoroughly backgrounded as well.

In the end though I'm not going to get in another useless argument about this. Some people love this idea and want more of the same some are repulsed and feel the govenment should be pressured into doing its job by other means. For myself I am still fenced over this, racists have rights as well and if they want to join this group they are certainly free to do so.

In the end its just one more thingy to worry over and personally I have so many to worry about this one is smack dab in the deep dark nearly apathetic middle.

[DeaconBlues]

38. Looks like the Minutemen are about to do a bit of expanding

http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203~21481~2824145,00.html


Minutemen shift focus to target employers

A citizens’ group patrolling a 23-mile stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border to keep out illegal immigrants announced Monday that it will shift its focus to employers who hire such immigrants.
Jim Gilchrist, co-founder of the Minuteman Project, announced the expansion of the project’s mission at the Minuteman headquarters in Tombstone. He said that as a result of the group’s success on the border since its project began April 1, its focus now will turn to employers who hire illegal immigrants..... (more)

I've also heard that these citizens groups will be expanding, and will start patroling parts of the Canadian border in places such as Idaho.

Many here at DU have claimed that the Minutemen are only out to harass Mexicans - and those people usually ask something like "Well, why aren't they targeting the employers of illegals?" or "If it wasn't all about targeting Hispanics, why aren't there patrols on the Canadian border?" Well, people, here are your answers to these questions.

[bushisanidiot]

42. They should patrol WAL-MART!!!!!

idiots..

[DeaconBlues]

46. Good idea

Walmart should be protested for a number of things - including it treatment of its workers.

[tyedyeto]

59. Down here in southern AZ....

WalMart, Home Depot and many other big box stores are full of Hispanics. But who knows how many of those people are here illegally.
Just because they are browned skinned and speak Spanish, it doesn't mean they are undocumented. To start harrassing those shopping at these stores would be an injustice.

[bushisanidiot]

63. The illegal immigrants aren't the ones to be harrassed. It's the EMPLOYERS

That need to be harrassed for hiring them.

of course you can't assume anyone with brown skin has gotten here illegally. that's pure racist crap. the EMPLOYERS know who is legal and not legal.. the ones they are paying $2.50 an hour are illegal.. these people are desperate for money and the cheap labor repukes take advantage of them.

i don't blame them for wanting a job or for coming here. but, if you cut off the demand, the supply will naturally shrink. simple logic that the repukes don't get.

[Bridget Burke]

43. Gosh, how inspiring!

However, it's hard to believe they can expand even more....

[DeaconBlues]

48. The first hundred times this picture was posted here at DU to denigrate

the Minutemen it was mildly amusing. Now, eh....

[sadiesworld]

54. Fascinating.

You indicated on your earlier posts to this thread that you would support actions which focus on employers. Yet, when confronted with proof that the minutemen intend to focus some of their energies on employers, you respond with the same tired dig at the fat minuteman (including the requisite photo). :eyes:

What a difference an hour makes, eh?

[Bridget Burke]

60. Sorry. Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

"Just one more thin mint!" A Houstonian took that photo--he did well.

I did see Gilchrist's new plans. How much time will they spend on big-time corporations & how much on day-labor hiring centers? The former need to annoyed, but the latter will have fewer security guards.

[sadiesworld]

64. What does the number of security guards have to do with anything?

BTW, the fat jokes have all been told.

[Bridget Burke]

68. It's easier to pick on centers for day laborers...

UPLAND - Holding signs that read "It's un-American to hire illegals," about 20 protesters on Saturday faced 20 others carrying signs with the words "Immigrants support the U.S. economy."

The four-hour rally, in front of the Day Labor Hiring Center at 8547 Grove Ave., drew protesters who said their demonstration was against employers who hire illegal immigrants and others with opposing views.

As Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the U.S.A." played, many carried American flags and dangled their signs in front of them as cars passed by.

www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203%257E21481%257E2820907,00.html

The companies who hire large numbers of undocumented workers have better security than the hiring centers. They might actually cause some trouble for the Minutemen. Therefore, they're picking the easier targets, as I suspected.

[sadiesworld]

72. A cheap labor conservative is a cheap labor conservative is a...

[Bridget Burke]

73. Does not compute.

Your English needs improvement.

[BadNews]

84. The size of the business involved does not matter.

The fact that they employ people who are in the country illegally because they can pay lower wages is all that matters.

Who do you think employs most of the people here illegally? It is not big businesses. There is a lot more paperwork to be filled out in order to be employed at a major corporation. It is far easier for small companies to pay people under the table. By paying under the table, not only do you pay lower wages, but you do not have to worry about unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, payroll taxes, social security taxes, and many other issues. Small businesses are small potatoes so the Government doesn't focus on them as much. It is very unlikely that they will be caught.

I am very indecisive on what should be done here. Part of me believes people should be free to come to this country and work. I know that if I were a Mexican national and I knew I could better support my family here, I would not hesitate to move. Yet, the other part of me believes we need to focus on increasing the wages of the working class. The later is undermined by illegals.

[bushisanidiot]

58. Hey, it's boil ass Limbaugh!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

if he catches him a wetback he's gonna eat him whole!

[Lerkfish]

76. My question is WHY?

not that they will expand to canada, or employers or whatever.
My question has been, and will remain "why"?

What do they fear from illegals?

Why do they not fear the fascist theocracy?

Which will actually impact their lives more?

[BR_Parkway]

82. Fear - the constant mass control mechanism of this administration

they have been told over and over that these people are "stealing American jobs" without ever looking at how many jobs are being shipped overseas everyday.

they have been told over and over that all the jobs are drying up because of the high cost of union labor

they have been told over and over that gays getting married "will destroy marriage as we know it" without ever asking themselves how it would impact their wedding vows

they have been told over and over that everyone who isn't a white male is some type of special interest group looking for a free ride on the taxpayer dime, that it pushes costs up, drives jobs away and in general is the reason for any failure that this administration has is someone else's fault.

At the same time, the theocracy has the keys to heaven in it's hands (or wants everyone to believe they do), that it's good to do without and suffer in Jeebus name, you'll get your reward later (hmmm, sounds a little like the 19 virgins huh?)

The US economy runs on rampant consumerism - and to keep it going the message is always the same - everyone else has one, you're just not good enough if you don't, you're not special enough if you don't own one of these. So they rush off to the mall, running up credit card debt they can't pay all to make their egos feel better. And since that still doesn't do the trick, they need an enemy, a scapegoat to feel superior to - the black woman, gay guy, illegal alien.

Who gets the blame doesn't matter - as long as there's someone else to be responsible for their own failings.

[bushisanidiot]

41. Pussies! They are giving up because they figured out they don't get

to shoot at the brown skinned people.

All those glocks and nothing to shoot at.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Run back home to your mamma's basements, boys..

[DeaconBlues]

45. Again, no one is leaving except for this Gilchrist guy

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/041805_borderwatch.php

[bushisanidiot]

47. Usually, when the leader gives up and runs home, his followers tend

to give up the fight..

not that these idiots were actually "fighting" as they had hoped. they just spent time jerking eachother off around the campfire.

:)

[DeaconBlues]

52. Sometimes yes, sometimes no

We'll have to see. In the meantime, it appears that they are gaining members.

[bushisanidiot]

55. They claim they are gaining members? I'm sure the KKK does too..

believe them if you want to.. but their gun toting racist motives are quite unpopular nationwide.

[DeaconBlues]

61. I agree that gun toting racism isn't very popular anywhere

At least I hope its not! But I believe you'll find that many, many people realize that serious reform needs to occur to handle the illegal immigration situation.

[bushisanidiot]

62. If cheap labor repukes stop hiring them that will curb illegal immigration

quicker than you can shake a stick.

however, that would hurt the bottom line.. and we know how the Walton family loves having that 2 million dollar mansion bonus every Christmas..

[radwriter0555]

50. Gee, MAYBE the numbers of undocumented workers coming over the border have

been GREATLY EXAGGERATED...?

[DeaconBlues]

56. Or perhaps they have moved on to other parts of the border that are not

being patrolled. A good reason why the government should do its job and start protecting the entire border.

[tyedyeto]

66. According to a Border Patrol person I know.....

that is what has happened. Not necessarily to other parts that are not being patrolled, but just not so intense. It only takes going east or west a few miles from where the 'Minutemen' are to get to an area that is not being 'patrolled' by the 'Minutemen'.

on edit: A link to migrants seeking other paths to get to the US. And a more deadly one at that.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/71143

[radwriter0555]

74. Hey, let's put up a wall along the entire border!

That'll keep em out, YEAH.

Well, except for the other couple thousand that come in through airports...

[BadNews]

85. Wouldn't that be a better employment of our National Guard Forces?

Rather than guarding Iraqi oil?

[SoCalDem]

75. His "job" is done.

He stirred the pot and got the militants to converge. He whipped up a frenzy of xenophobia, got the media attention, and now he's off to the next "mission".. These "organizers" don't like to do the heavy lifting..the dirty work.. They are like the ones who convince OTHERS to strap on the exploding belt.. :puke:

[myrna minx]

79. I guess its "Mission Accomplished!"

Yet another half assed, not thought out conservative "plan."

[Bridget Burke]

80. La Cucaracha sez...