Bush: Retirement might have to wait (yours, not his)

[doxieone]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/18/news/economy/bush_retirement.reut/index.htm?section=money_latest

COLUMBIA, S.C. (Reuters) - President Bush said Monday that proposals to raise the retirement age for Social Security benefits and restructuring benefits to be more generous to low-income workers are among possibilities for overhauling the country's largest entitlement program.

Bush mentioned the possible ways to preserve Social Security's solvency and called for Congress to come together to make the tough choices in an address before a joint session of South Carolina's Republican-controlled legislature.

At the same time, he painted a dire picture of Social Security's future if nothing is done, saying problems would start in three years when the first baby-boomers retire.

snip

[acmavm]

1. We wouldn't be having any problems if it wasn't for bush** and his

sticky fingered cronies.

[Triana]

7. EXACTLY acmavm!

If the bastards would keep their grimy paws off of it, it'd be fine. Gore's 'lockbox' idea was a great one, as much as they made fun of it.

[Career Prole]

40. It was shrub's lockbox first!

From the January, 2000 Repuke memory hole...the first mention of a lockbox for SS funds goes to...DA CHIMP!!

JIM LEHRER: Yesterday, Governor George W. Bush had a town meeting in Londonderry, New Hampshire.

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH: We're in a tax debate here in this state and around the country. And let me explain my position as clearly as I can. First, unspent surpluses in Washington, D.C. will be spent, you mark my words, you leave money sitting around the table in Washington, Washington politicians will spend it. Now, I believe there's enough money. If you lockbox the payroll taxes, there is $2 trillion to make sure the Social Security system is safe and secure-- $2 trillion.

I intend to lockbox the payroll taxes and spend them only on what they're supposed to be spent on, and that's Social Security. And by the way... (Applause)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june00/gop_stump_1-14.html

The infamous Al Gore lockbox quote didn't occur until nearly 10 months later, in the first debate on October 3rd...

I think we need to put Medicare and Social Security in a lockbox. The governor will not put Medicare in a lockbox. I don't think it should be used as a piggy bank for other programs. I think it needs to be moved out of the budget and protected. I'll veto anything that takes money out of Social Security or Medicare for anything other than Social Security or Medicare. Now, the priorities are just very different. I'll give you a couple of examples. For every new dollar that I propose for spending on health care, Governor Bush spends $3 for a tax cut for the wealthiest 1%. Now, for every dollar that I propose to spend on education, he spends $5 on a tax cut for the wealthiest 1%. Those are very clear differences.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html

Gore was ridiculed by the right for it, after shrub was applauded...but that's not the big difference.

The big difference is that Al Gore meant it.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. Dont forget the ? % of the assholes that elected this idiot, TWICE. I dont

expect much from a third generation, work-fare for the rich, scoundrel.

[Vitruvius]

44. DIEBOLD elected the idiot. Both times.

In 2000, Bu$h lost the popular vote by nearly 600,000, and the Rethugs had to stop the vote count in FL to get him in. In 2004, the polls immediately before the election, the exit polls, and the polls after the election showed Bu$h down by 3 to 5%.

Remember, in America, a voting machine is a machine that votes...

[MADem]

18. Yeah, if the asshole didn't raid Al Gore's LOCKBOX

...there would be NO ISSUE. Instead, while they made the GOP sheepdunces laugh about the use of the word LOCKBOX, they were picking the lock and stealing our cash. Bastards!

[NoPasaran]

2. I'd happily work until I'm 75

If he would retire today.

[marmar]

6. LOL! Isn't that the truth...

:toast:

[Oreo]

3. dumbass... he keeps lying and lying

At the same time, he painted a dire picture of Social Security's future if nothing is done, saying problems would start in three years when the first baby-boomers retire.
"By 2034 the annual shortfall will be more than $300 billion and by the year 2041 the entire system will be bankrupt," he said.
does he think 2034 is in 3 years? I know he's dumb but is it that bad?


"Telling younger workers they have to save money in a 1930s retirement system is like telling them they have to use a cell phone with a rotary dial," Bush said. It works though dumbass!

[MADem]

20. Actually, there is an IDEA in there!

Imagine a cell phone with a rotary dial--the action of dialing recharges the battery, kinda like a hybrid.

We have an emergency radio that you crank for a bit, then it plays for about an hour. When the signal gets weak, you turn the crank again. No battery required. It's also environmentally responsible, but hey, that concept is unknown to Mr. Resource Abuser, I guess!

[Gunit_Sangh]

25. The three years thingy

I think what he's referring to is in 3 years, the excess social security payments will have peaked and will start declining, which means the government can't steal as much from our SS payments and taxes on his wealthy campaign contributors will have to incrase. CAN'T YOU SEE THE CRISIS!!!!!!!!

In 12-13 years the benefits being paid will start to exceed the SS taxes coming in.

I reckon what's he's talking about in 2034 is $300 billion is the amount of T-Bills the SSA will have to cash in to pay benefits and by 2041 the T-Bills will be gone. Instead of being bankrupt, the incoming payments will pay about 70-75% of scheduled benefits.

Liar, liar pants on fire

[Synnical]

34. Liar is right - and Reuters and CNN let him get away with it

The New York Times did not,

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/18/politics/18cnd-bush.html

Social Security trustees project that the system will begin running deficits in 2017, when millions of baby-boomers who are working today will have retired. From 2017 to 2041, the trustees project, full Social Security benefits could still be paid by tapping into the Social Security trust fund. After 2041, benefits would have to be cut by about 27 percent.

Today, Mr. Bush said that in the year 2041, "the entire system will be bankrupt." When he has made similar remarks before, critics of his Social Security proposals have accused him of oversimplification.

Mr. Bush also alluded today to the "so-called security trust," calling it "a bunch of filing cabinets with I.O.U.'s in them" and adding that "it's frankly not a very encouraging sight." In fact, those interest-bearing Treasury securities are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government, which has never defaulted on Treasury securities.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Did he get some hard hitting questions

from the bipartisan audience?

[tanyev]

30. You forgot to put that word in quotes.

Here ya go: "bipartisan"

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. It's a good thing all the manufacturing jobs are leaving then

Can you imagine doing all that manual labor in your late 60's?

[Tyler Durden]

8. Walmart can only hire so many greeters.

I can't get a new job at 52 (guess why).

Who's going to hire a 65+ year old? I'll give you a hint: been to a fast food drive through lately?

[AtLiberty]

22. I've noticed seniors giving out samples in grocery stores lately...

[Vincardog]

9. Right if there are not going to be enough people paying in

Why the Fuck aren't you doing anything about getting MORE JOBS HERE?

[Zorra]

17. Because he is trying to increase labor competition in every way he

possibly can in order to insure permanently lower wages, bust unions, and take economic power away from the majority of Americans so that they will be powerless to challenge the corrupt GOP fascist regime.

[Vincardog]

35. Oh Duh ya think?

[Zorra]

65. Sorry for restating the obvious....

;-)

[lyonn]

45. Is that when we fight the

illegal immigrants for their jobs?

[Fire Walk With Me]

68. Because we'll all be organ farms for the rich folk

Sounded ridiculous not too long ago. Then again, if someone gave me a book covering the last six years, some ten years ago..

[Trillo]

11. "restructuring benefits to be more generous to low-income workers"

He's probably saying the opposite of what he really intends.

[WildClarySage]

64. this is code talk to his racistredneckasshat constituency

that translates to them as "do what I want or them socialists will give YOUR MONEY to them cadillac welfare queens and trailer trash and all them other poor people who don't work and want your hard-earned moolah"

[daleo]

12. Here's a tough choice:

Get rid of the tax cut for the rich and use it to fund social security so that average people can retire at a decent age.

[Brotherjohn]

13. I'd bet if you raise retirement age 1yr, did nothing else (no private...

... accts), the system would be "fixed" (i.e. in the black with a growing surplus indefinitely into the future). Likewise, if you upped the amt. of income subject to SS taxes to $120,000 or so.

I'd also bet that if you did either of these with any form of private accts., the prognosis would be worse.

Hope some dem does these calculations and points this out.

[orpupilofnature57]

15. I wish one( Dem) would point out the small sacrifice of the wealthy, And

how they could pay for the war, get us out of the deficit, not take their SS benefits, and they'd have a better world to still be rich in.

[n2mark]

48. They won't do this

because they are wealthy themselves, no way do they want to make the sacrifice.

[Bridget Burke]

16. Why should anyone work one more year.....

To support tax cuts for those who've never worked a day in their lives.

[Brotherjohn]

29. I agree. I just don't know if repealing the Bush tax cuts would be...

... enough in and of itself to make SS stay in the black indefinitely, although I agree that it should be done as a partial solution to the SS problem as well as many other problems.

My point, though, is that since Bush is now throwing out other things to contribute to "saving" SS, Dems should point out that in any of these suggestions, SS would be better off it they were done WITHOUT private accounts.

This should once and for all blow his privatization scheme out of the water.

[Lisa]

14. I'm not usually in favor of wholesale forced retirements ...

But I'll make an exception for the current administration. Starting right now.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Early Retirement for Bush!

A cause I can support wholeheartedly.

[orpupilofnature57]

26. You got it, lets start with the pretzel incident, or the fact that he has,

Surpassed Hoover in financial stupidity,Nixon in dishonesty, and no matter what bill did with Monica, it doesn't compare to what shrub has done to this country.

[Straight Shooter]

21. Interesting suggestion from someone who vacations one-third of the year.

Condescending prick. Pay lower wages, slash benefits, increase demands for productivity from an already overworked, overstressed population, and then tell us we've got to do it for another year or two on top of the already raised retirement age, just so you and your cronies can sit on fat bundles of cash and plan how you're going to rob us even more.

Condescending prick. Elitist, privileged, spoiled rotten f*ckin' brat. A pox on you and your family. I mean it. A pox on george w. bush and his entire worthless family of parasites.

[CO Liberal]

23. Bush's Retirement Can't Come Soon Enough

Hoepfully, to a cell at SuperMax near The Unabomber and Eric Rudolph.

[bain_sidhe]

24. ...because he gave your money to his rich buddies

I just posted this in the stockmarket thread, but I want to say it here too - The reason the "trust fund" is not there - and all the associated problems Bullshit keeps blathering about, is because he gave it all to his rich buddies. Here's the numbers from an entry I did on my blog several weeks ago:

According to this report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, The estimated cost (by the most conservative estimates) of the Social Security “shortfall” is $3.7 trillion over 75 years. That’s a lot of moola. But the cost of making Bullshit’s tax cuts permanent is $11 trillion over that same 75 years. In fact, just the tax cuts for the top 1% of taxpayers would be $3.4 trillion (which I must point out, is almost as much as the entire Social Security "shortfall").

But that’s only if we make those tax cuts permanent. What’s the bill so far? Well, that’s much better! Lucky us, the cost in 2004 was only $280 Billion! So, if we extend that out for the rest of the term for the tax cut that was enacted in 2001, it’s only $1.5 Trillion. Which just happens to be almost as much as the Social Security Trust Fund currently has in assets. (According to this report from MSNBC, the Social Security Trust Fund has $1.6 Trillion.)

But wait! There’s more! There were other tax cuts in that legislation that haven’t taken effect yet. When you add these in, as Robert McIntyre at Citizens for Tax Justice does here, the cost of Bullshit’s tax cuts is… hey, lookathat! - $1.6 Trillion.

:wow: What a coinkidink!

Like Bullshit keeps saying, it’s our money. And we want it back.

**edit: ACK! Say it with me now... preview is our friend! (also dressed it up in pretty html colors)**

[Kolesar]

32. Great. I had wondered what the details of the numbers was.

As Howard Dean said months ago, the real story is that Bush is taking the SS surplus and giving it to the rich in the form of a tax cut. That is what has to stop. (Snazzy post, bain_sidhe :thumbsup: )

[teryang]

38. The rich and corporations keep theirs while our SS revenue....

...goes to fund the defense contractors and the colossal waste associated with war and the Pentagon.

[Massachusetts]

27. My retirement...Thanks little georgie and fat cats.

[MaineDem]

28. What's with his slurring good ol'boy accent lately?

It seems he's turning on the fake Texas drawl more so in the past few weeks. It's disgusting! Today's speech was terribly "folksy" - dropping all the g's from -ing words and just being a total idiot.

I really despise that man.

[underpants]

31. There is a direct corelation to his "accent" and where he is speaking

Today it was in South Carolina so it was heavy on Southern twang.

someone pointed this out during the campaign.

[Lisa]

37. yes -- even professional actors have found this

Timothy Bottoms, and others who've had dialect training, have noted that Bush's accent is very hard to pin down. This rather goes against Bush's handlers' attempts to construct a credible regional identity for him. Bottoms called him a "chameleon", and one Southerner (Brent Mendenhall) complained that Bush's accent isn't really authentic but is more due to poor enunciation than anything else. That, and a bunch of Hollywood westerns Bush viewed as a youngster, no doubt.

I had the opportunity to talk with a guy who was born and raised in the Midland area (one of the military personnel speaking out against the war), and he didn't sound like Bush to me.

[lyonn]

47. He is the only one in his family that

talks that way. "...but is more due to poor enunciation than anything else." Bush uses slang and quips along with that peculiar accent to hide his ignorance in the spoken word.

[jdj]

33. "entitlement program"..thank goodness CNN isn't biased

except for the fact that they are running an entitlement program for inept journalists.

[Rainbowreflect]

36. I'll wait for my retirement if bush will retire now!

[Generator]

39. You deserve the award for best line of the day

[DFWJock]

41. I know...

maybe if we just cut taxes for the rich again, that'll work.

[damntexdem]

42. Well, I'll certainly support anything that will ...

hurry up his retirement.

[DS1]

43. This is a fallback threat. Let me privatize your stuff and rob you blind,

or you're gonna work till every bone in your body hurts.

[tabasco]

46. Gotta work longer to support those poor starving millionaires.

Working people who vote for these crooks are about as stupid as you can get. I fear for this country because of the huge number of stupid, easily-manipulated people.

[Career Prole]

49. Bush Pitches Social Security in S.C. (check out the criticism!)

COLUMBIA, S.C. - President Bush on Monday made a fresh pitch for his Social Security overhaul in this Republican-friendly state, yet a Republican congressman made clear that Bush still faces resistance within his own party.

<snip>

Rep. Gil Gutknecht, R-Minn., said during an editorial board meeting with the (Rochester) Post-Bulletin that Bush must overcome a "credibility problem" to revamp Social Security.

The congressman said many people think the president underestimated the cost of the Iraqi war, then overestimated the benefits of Medicare's prescription drug plan.

"And now, all the sudden, they wonder why people are a bit skeptical of their ... plan on Social Security," he said. "It's partly a credibility problem."

Gutknecht also rejected the Bush contention that Social Security is in "crisis."

"If I use the word 'bankrupt,' you know, kick me, because I don't think that's a fair term to say about Social Security," the congressman told the newspaper. "It is not in crisis today. I don't use the word 'crisis.'"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20050418/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush


And here I'd focused on it because the headline reminded me of when I "pitched" the English muffins this morning because of the blue spots! :D

[deadparrot]

50. So...will he ever give up?

I'm just wondering, is all.

He's a lunatic, but a spoiled, deranged lunatic.

[FloridaPat]

53. Depends on what's really on the agenda. So far it's been easy to

see why things were done. All this just so Wall Street can get a few billion doesn't make much sense.

[Seabiscuit]

61. He tortured himself over all this SS privatization crap 4 years ago,

and he's doing it to himself all over again.

Doesn't that kind of behavior define insanity? - e.g. continuing to spit into the wind even though you're just getting your face covered with goo?

[Old and In the Way]

51. Damn....

Looks like Bush will need to find another way to paper over his $500BB and growing deficits....

[TahitiNut]

52. "underestimated" - "overestimated" -- new doublespeak for LYING

:shrug: The. Most. Criminal. Presidency. Ever.

[UpInArms]

54. doublespeak only applies to the word "is"

:sarcasm:

[Cha]

55. LOL!

bush will keep pitching this until he's BLUE in the face..he's already red!

[yorkiemommie1]

56. georgie, georgie, georgie

exaggerating again! tsk, tsk, tsk!

edit to add: yay! i love my star! i had to sneak around my freeper husb. to do it! ( didn't want him to go donate to a freeper cause just to get even )

[Toots]

57. WOW great headline Republican Representative questions Credibility of

Administration..and besides that it's all true. Bush* has a Credibility Problem....

[Robbien]

58. I wonder how many fund raising events are also scheduled on this

Bush Bamboozlepalooza tour.

[snippy]

59. Bush has a credibility problem?

Except for the American media the entire world knows that Bush is one of the most compulsive and incessant liar in the history of American politics.

There is no subject so somber, serious, or shallow that Bush will not lie about it. The only other option is not to lie. And that apparently is something Bush can not do.

For example:

Bush says he fell off his bicycle because of the heavy rains and he watched on television on the morning of 9/11 as the first plane hit the first WTC tower and John McCain has an illegitimate Negro daughter and Bush would veto McCain-Feingold and the yawning boy was not there and was not yawning and besides he was standing some place else and Richard Clarke had complete access to Bush and Rice which proves that Clarke was out of the loop which is Clinton's fault but the White House revealed that Clarke briefed the press on background about Bush fighting terrorism which means that unnamed White House sources may not be identified even when Bush wants to and everyone except Bush himself knows where he was during his National Guard service but it was Clinton's fault that Bush did not show up for duty which was after Bush volunteered to go to Viet Nam but before he was no longer required to take a flight physical and about the same time that God ordered him to smite Saddam because the 70 lines of embryonic stem cells and more arsenic in the water and more mercury in the air and the completely safe air in New York City folowing 9/11 prove that republican science is better than sound science and the Bush administration did not illegally conspire to illegally reveal the identity of a covert CIA operative which resulted in 2 million new jobs being created because democrats support terrorism and are not good Americans just as the Jews were not good Germans which is why Bush said he would veto the creation of both the Department of Homeland Security and the 9/11 Commission but now claims credit for their creation and the White House cooperated with the 9/11 Commission which is why the White House withheld documents and called the republicans on the Commission before Clarke testified and why the White House did not coordinate the attacks on the integrity and bipartisanship of the Commission and why Bush and Cheney negotiated with the Commission that the two of them would testfy one time only but never again since the dental xrays prove that Bush spoke with the CIA director everyday and did not ignore either the repeated warnings of the dangers of al Qaeda and Osama or the August 2001 intelligence briefing specifically warning of the upcoming 9/11 attacks because the United States is a nation with a mission and that mission is to bring freedom to every single person in the world which will cut the deficit in half if you do not count those parts of the deficit which will increase under Bush which is Clinton's fault but the boxes from China were labeled "Made in USA" which resulted in 2.6 million new jobs being created even though the $400 billion Medicare prescription drug decorative turkey was not labeled $550 billion and was passed without bribery or criminal deception and was not criminally promoted by the Bush administration using taxpayers' money for propaganda purposes which proves that government spending under Bush has gone down if you do not count the increased government spending under Bush which is Clinton's fault just as acts of terrorism have decreased since 9/11 if you do not count the increase in the number of acts of terrorism and Bush's plane to Baghdad was spotted because before Saddam bought the uranium and became an "urgent" but not an imminent threat which is Clinton's fault Bush had no plans on his desk to invade Iraq since the invasion was not planned before Bush took office even though it was the subject of his first national security council meeting in February 2001 and in December 2001 when plans for the invasion were being finalized Bush said he was focused on the military operations in Afghanistan and then the Carrier Costume Party was too far offshore for the Navy to make a large enough "Mission Accomplished" banner to describe the WMD we have found in Iraq some of which Saddam was giving to Osama for following Saddam's plans and using Iraqi hijackers on 9/11 which is Clinton's fault but everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut which created 3 million new jobs and allowed Iraqi oil revenue to pay for the cost of the reconstruction of Iraq after the invasion by a small number of troops who would be greeted with floral program related activities except for the dead and wounded troops who are being brought home secretly which is Clinton's fault since Bush is the one who hugs the mothers and the widows and the wives and the kids and since Bush does not watch television news he did not know about the republican torture pranks occurring in Iraq until he saw the pictures while watching television news and that is why Bush who will use the jawbone of an ass to force OPEC to open the spigots and who is responsible for good economic numbers but not bad economic numbers which are Clinton's fault wrote the poem that he did not write blaming Laura for dropping the dog.

Ridiculing Bush for his compulsive and incessant lying needs to become common.

FIRE THE LIAR

[Career Prole]

66. I find I have no problem whatsoever with

your "run-on sentence". It's one of my favorites ever, actually! :thumbs-up:
:toast:

[ninkasi]

67. Yes, that does sound like

his version of things. Why reporters never dispute any of the lies, and the twisted things he says, I don't know. I would be ashamed to admit I was a reporter right about now. Transcribing talking points provided by Karl Rove does not count.

[struggle4progress]

60. Protesters And Supporters Voice Opinions From Afar

<snip> Chanting ‘B-U-S-H, we don’t want you in our state! Go home,’ about 100 protesters lined the corner of Gervais and Assembly Streets across from the Statehouse to say the president’s ideas for social security reform were not welcome.

“I've been paying into SS for 20 years now and I do not want my future gambled away,” .. a protester .. said.

While some cheered, others jeered and some even masqueraded as supporters.

“I'm a billionaire for Bush and I came down to support the president and his attempt to divert social security to companies like Charles Schwab,” .. a member of the fictitious group, 'Billionaires for Bush,' said. <snip>

http://www.wltx.com/news/news19.aspx?storyid=26667

[Rose Siding]

69. The NYT article is good- They practically calls him a liar.

snip>
From 2017 to 2041, the trustees project, full Social Security benefits could still be paid by tapping into the Social Security trust fund. After 2041, benefits would have to be cut by about 27 percent.

Today, Mr. Bush said that in the year 2041, "the entire system will be bankrupt." When he has made similar remarks before, critics of his Social Security proposals have accused him of oversimplification.

Mr. Bush also alluded today to the "so-called security trust," calling it "a bunch of filing cabinets with I.O.U.'s in them" and adding that "it's frankly not a very encouraging sight." In fact, those interest-bearing Treasury securities are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government, which has never defaulted on Treasury securities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/18/politics/18cnd-bush.html?ex=1271476800&en=1ed3dfebae8f7763&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

[meo48]

62. I am working very hard to retire Bush in six months

The decision was made the day after the presidential elections.
Worked for 2 months till I published it about a week ago.
I think Bush should go and there is enough evidence that he is a liar.
Check out the article
<http://www.thedemocracyworkshop.com/article01.htm> and if it does not open, you can go to
<http://www.globalecho.org/view_article.php?aid=3731>
Writing it was half the battle.
I am also sending it to as many anti-war movements as I can.
If you think what you are reading is of value, help impeach Bush and email it to as many as you can and ask others to do the same.

[struggle4progress]

63. What people had to say about President Bush's visit ...

... to South Carolina Monday

<snip> "I think Social Security is the one thing that keeps a lot of middle income Americans above the poverty level," said U.S. Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., told protesters as they geared up to march to the Statehouse. "The president needs to tell us, 'What are you going to do for the people who are disabled and currently getting Social Security?' " <snip>

"While we certainly hope President Bush enjoyed his visit to our state, frankly, we are disappointed that he didn't address the extraordinary high price of gasoline. Gas prices are breaking the budgets of working families all over South Carolina," state Democratic Party Chairman Joe Erwin said. "We are very concerned about the president's plan to privatize Social Security. His plan will just make the problem worse and will jeopardize the savings of many hard working Americans." <snip>

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050418/APN/504180891&cachetime=3&template=dateline

[Voltaire99]

70. Arbeit Macht Frei

The words should appear over the entrance to every Wal-Mart and Wendy's.

Such is America, Inc.'s vision for us: minions.

Toiling away until we croak.

As Thomas Frank and others have wisely argued, economic populism must become the central plank of the Democratic Party. Settle for nothing less.

[indepat]

71. The problems cause by massive budget deficits have already started,

yet the Administrations pushes for even more tax cuts for patrons and benefactors. Solving problems is not what these social security scare tactics are all about.

[CBHagman]

72. And we get to pay for the lying hound's pension.

Don't forget that Bush gets TWICE the salary Clinton got (and for a fraction of the work, I might add, given the Chimp's allergy to actual productivity).

We're also going to pay for his deficits, the weak dollar, and a good deal more.