KFC in Texas Greets PETA With Sprinklers

[seriousstan]

A trio of animal-rights protesters didn't find any welcome mat when they stopped at a KFC, but the restaurant manager did turn on the sprinkler system for them.


Manager John Olivo turned the sprinklers on full blast to soak the protesters from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals who were standing by the curb. They were campaigning for more humane methods of killing.


The protesters, including one in a chicken suit, were followed by a man with a microphone who said he eats beef.


"You're not going to win, not in Brownsville," David Ingersoll shouted through his microphone at the protesters at a busy intersection. His stepchildren passed out anti-PETA pamphlets to stopped drivers
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/04/14/national/a044703D43.DTL

[tuvor]

1. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3478735

[seriousstan]

2. It has not been posted in LBN so it is not a dupe.

[Squatch]

3. Besides, we can't get enough of the man "who eats beef"

:shrug:

[seriousstan]

4. That was my favorite part

[Squatch]

5. Hey, my name is Steve, my friends call me "The Man Who Eats Beef"

:rofl:

[nolabels]

51. There is a war going on out there you know !

[nine30]

134. A poor photoshop job

Even if the photoshopper did everything right (which he didn't) ...

The main light source for the cow's picture was a front flash(the worst position for a flash to be in,in a photograph), as shown by the red eye and a soft shadow behind the cow's right ear. A flash from this position and this close would not cause the kind of deep shadow under the curled fingers of the hand.

I won't even comment on the severed part of the hand, very amateur.

[tuvor]

6. Whatever you say. n/t

[damntexdem]

7. This treatment is way too humane.

No coddling of PETA! They are the enemy!

[neuvocat]

9. ???

[xchrom]

16. your enemy -- not mine

[MeinaShaw]

53. How is Peta the enemy

Pretty harsh words. Personally, I eat meat and don't have a problem with it. But what they do is generally good. Their hearts are in the right place. How can that possibly make them the enemy.

[DeaconBlues]

25. I wonder when people who fight for the more humane treatment of animals

became the enemy.

[livinginphotographs]

28. But large corporations who abuse animals needlessly

and put their employees in unsafe and unsanitary working conditions are our friends.

Yeah, okay. :eyes:

[mhr]

30. Sounds Like They Make You Feel Guilty For Eating Chicken

Sounds like a personal issue on your part.

[Redstone]

8. Good for him. As a franchise owner, he doesn't

have any control over how the chickens are offed. These people were disrupting his business, and deserved what they got.

Redstone

[nine30]

10. "Business"

"Business" ??

The business of feeding mutilated body parts of brutally murdered victims to people ?

[Redstone]

11. Yes, business. The business of feeding

chicken (though not very good chicken) to people who want to eat it.

Redstone

[Dave Reynolds]

18. psssst....

I've tried talking sense to the meatless fundies, they do not want to hear it....just sayin'...



:hi:

[nine30]

38. Nothing wrong with eating meat if ..

..the animal is already dead (but without your or someone else's killing it for the sole purpose), feel free to eat its corpse.

[Redstone]

48. Tibetan Buddhist?

Fine as a belief, but can lead to eating some, shall we say, excessively aged meat unless you keep a real sharp lookout for fresh roadkill.

Redstone

[Lindacooks]

40. And talking sense to the meat eating fundies doesn't work either.

eom

[Redstone]

44. Oh, no. Uh-huh. You can't equate the two.

There are no "meat-eater fundies."

Meat eaters do not lecture vegetarians about how evil they are, and insist that they MUST eat meat.

Y'all, however, never tire of lecturing meat eaters on the evil of their ways.

Q.E.D.

Redstone

[Lindacooks]

56. No. You are wrong.

There are plenty of 'meat eater fundies' who lecture vegetarians about how they can't possibly be healthy, how they can mistreat their children by not feeding them animal protein. It cuts both ways.

I, however, do not lecture either side. I've been a vegetarian and a meat eater, and to each his own. I draw the line at animal cruelty, and that's why I'm boycotting KFC.

[DeaconBlues]

59. Wrong again, as usual, Redstone

If you were a vegetarian, you would know that many people who do not eat meat often get lectured to or teased by family and friends. But keep on painting with those broad strokes, if that's what makes you happy.

[Sterling]

114. You seem to be giving a lecture right now?

And the person who posted the thread in the first place is a bit of a zealot as well.

I eat meat but I don't feel the need to let it make me an asshole.

[Redstone]

116. What, because I point out that vegetarians and

PETA types tend to lecture other people (which is true), that makes me an asshole?

Thank you so much for the unwarranted personal attack. Is there something specific I've done to you in the past that provoked it?

Redstone

[livinginphotographs]

125. Maybe the way you always show up in these threads

Just in time to post "If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat blah blah blah" could be that something specific.

But don't let me get in the way of your meat-eater martyr complex. The vegans have probably done enough horrible horrible things to you, poor thing.

[Redstone]

132. Gee, if I didn't know better,

I'd think you didn't like me! But I know you must, since you apparently enjoy stalking me ("you always show up in these threads...)

Redstone

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

118. Meatless fundies

Very apt description.

Death to all extremists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nine30]

35. "feeding" ?

Sharks relish humans. Why not drop a few close friends/relatives/family into a shark tank ? After all whats more noble than feeding the hungry.

[Redstone]

37. Ohhhhhhhkay.

Gotcha. Uh-huh. Right. Lovely Spring weather we're having, isn't it?

Redstone

[nine30]

39. Yeah,,

..but because of the rains yesterday, today was a little cooler.

[jmowreader]

113. Sharks don't relish humans

Of all the species of sharks, only four--the Great White, Tiger, Hammerhead and Bull--are man-eaters, and any one of the four would much rather have a seal than a human. We don't taste very good.

[Dogmudgeon]

12. What, KFC serves fetuses now?

:evilgrin:

--p!

[seriousstan]

13. I can't wait for you to complain about unemployment next.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

127. Brutally Murdered Victims?

OH DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN! Now I've heard it all.
Duckie

[The Stranger]

14. What franchise owner? Are you making that up?

[DeaconBlues]

24. Yes, he does have control of how chickens are killed

If he really wanted to, he could find a supplier that is more humane. As it is, he has opted for the status quo and therefore supports an inhumane enterprise.

As far as mistreating people who are "disrupting business" is concerned, I guess you believe that major corporations also have the right to abuse civil rights, employment rights, and anti-rights workers who "disrupt business." After all, isn't it the same thing?

[Redstone]

34. Logical fallacies, one by one:

1) No, he doesn't have his choice of chicken suppliers. He has to buy chicken through KFC.

2) Spraying water on protesters in front of your own personal restaurant does not provide prima facie evidence of a belief that "major corporations have the right to abuse yada yada yacketa yacketa..." No, it's not the same thing.

Redstone

Edited for typo.

[DeaconBlues]

58. Only logical fallacies are on your part

1. If he really wanted to be get a more humane supplier, he could. The most extreme option is he could just drop the franchise, and start his own restaurant. There is always a way to be humane, but instead he makes the choice to make more money at the expense of animal rights.

2. You in no way explain how spraying animal-rights activists with water is different from spraying civil rights and anti-war activists with water. Your defense of the mistreatment of people who "disrupt business" in this case shows you would support this type of activity when it comes to any type of protesters. Either that, or you are a hypocrite.

Nice try. Play again.

[northzax]

70. If you are on my property

and you are disrupting my business, I wouldn't spray water on you, I'd have you arrested for tresspassing, press charges and file a civil lawsuit for the damages you caused me. That's the price of civil disobediance.

And yes, an employee who costs me money by objecting to legal practices on ethical grounds? Be prepared to get fired.

I see you are sympathetic to pharmacists who refuse to provide birth control pills, after all, aren't they simply 'disrupting business' based on their ethical beliefs? Please explain your reasoning. There's always an extreme that anyone can point to.

Frankly, I think turning on the sprinklers is a clever way to get people off your property, no one is hurt, nothing is damaged and no one gets arrested. It wasn't a water cannon, it was a sprinkler. Shades of grey.

[Redstone]

85. Why, thank you, northzax.

I was getting a bit tired of arguing with people who just repeat themselves.

You stated it very well.

Redstone

[Redstone]

87. So, he should abandon his business

that he's invested a lot of money in, and start a restaurant that you might approve of, just to meet your standards?

That's pretty presumptious.

You don't like KFC? Don't eat there.

I grow weary of the lecturing.

Redstone

[Jack_DeLeon]

15. Good...

PETA = teh stupid

[xchrom]

17. ''teh stupid''?

hmmmmm.

[livinginphotographs]

29. Teh exactly.

At least he spelled PETA right, though.

[Jack_DeLeon]

31. OH NOESS!!!!

I have been embaressed on teh interWEb.

[lonelysoul2020]

36. PETA = People Eat Tasty Animals

[livinginphotographs]

49. Wow, creative.

You do realize that this exact same thing is posted pretty much five times a day here, and it still doesn't get any wittier.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

54. EYFWTG

eat your friend who tastes good!

[Dave Reynolds]

19. I wonder how much our PETA supporters here

would complain if the soaked protesters were religious fundamentalists as opposed to animalist fundamentalists....

[The Stranger]

20. "I wonder how much [sic] of our PETA bashers here"

would complain about someone protesting for them if they were routinely mutilated, diseased, maimed and burned alive like the animals at issue. . . .

The animals cannot speak for themselves, so someone must speak for them.

Perhaps the incredible ire and vitriol PETA brings out in the PETA Bashers is a direct relation to the level of denial it takes for the PETA Bashers to maintain ignorance of the cruelty.

[Dave Reynolds]

21. I do not exhibit ire or vitriol,

I just think they are idiots.

And I laugh when I say that, because idiots amuse me.

:rofl:

[Jack_DeLeon]

32. mmmmmmmmmmm.....

meat......:droool:

[livinginphotographs]

50. So you think it's okay to torture chickens?

n/t

[Redstone]

45. No, people "bash" PETA because

most people dislike being lectured to and informed that they are evil.

PETA would be much more successful in getting their message across if they just weren't so unceasingly tiresome.

Redstone

[The Stranger]

61. Nonsense. Peope want to exist in a state of denial as to what

they are eating, what happened to it, how it got there, and where it comes from. When confronted, they become angry and indignant in order to avoid having to leave that state of denial.

That is why the PETA threads run hundreds of posts at a time. It is also why it is so common to trash PETA on this, a Progressive web site, when PETA is a Progressive organization.

[nine30]

63. And that is true too..

..living in denial means being happily oblivious to it. There are never any documentaries about this on TV, its never discussed in public, and the slaughterhouses are far away from civilization (like in Garden city, Kansas, a shithole in the middle of nowhere) so nobody even knows they exist. Heck, half the ads on TV are those of juicy steaks, and Hardees burgers, and 100% this or that grade beef or whatever which is what brings in the revenue for those stations. Everyone happily believes meat is plucked from trees like fruit, and life goes on as usual.

[nine30]

62. I agree with that..

..the worst way to persuade someone is to act morally superior and appear to lecture him/her. Have we ever watched a TV ad where the announcer calls us stupid or "immoral" for using one product over another ? That would be the end of the product. I also think dressing up like chickens or other animals outside resturants is just idiotic and moronic. They get laughed at and their message is lost entirely (to most). Ingrid Newkirk may be a saint but she needs to reconsider how her organization operates.


Instead of a bunch of clowns outside a Burger King or whatever lecturing to the customers, consider this :

A giant billboard on the side of a major interstate showing the body of a freshly decapitated cow hanging upside down from one leg, blood dripping onto the floor. On the floor is its severed head, jaw open and tongue hanging out of one side, and its lifeless eyes half open ( Not very different from the Iraq decapitation videos for those who have seen them. www.ogrish.com ). This was a cow that was just a day ago grazing happily in a field somewhere.

The caption below reads,(in dark bold letters) :

" Your Burger. In its early stages "

or

"Pure Angus Beef. For Your pleasure. Only $2.99 "

[livinginphotographs]

68. Maybe you needed a reminder

as to how that hamburger got there.

Good on them for that billboard. There should be more like them. And if you don't like looking at the result of what you're supporting, stop supporting it.

[nine30]

74. you talking to me ? :-)

...Actually there ARE no billboards like that. I just thought it up

[livinginphotographs]

75. Oops. Sorry.

Well, it's a good idea. :)

[Redstone]

108. Not a bad idea, but it wouldn't bother me.

I've seen plenty of dead animals (killed some myself), and am perfectly comfortable with the fact that that's where the meat comes from.

Not that I am an advocate of torturing the critters; we don't buy national-brand meats, or any others that we don't know the source of. Costs us more, but we do our part not to support the large slaughterhouses.

But we're not going vegetarian, and no amount of dead-cow billboards will get us to change our minds. However, you might convert a few with the billboards, so give it a try.

Redstone

[nine30]

111. Fallacy

>But we're not going vegetarian, and no amount of dead-cow billboards >will get us to change our minds. However, you might convert a few with >the billboards, so give it a try.

The sad reality is that we live during ultra materialistic times in an ultra materialistic world where we have become completely desensitized to all but just our own well being. The classic "conservative" theme.


However the purpose of the billboards is NOT to persuade people to change their minds about eating meat. Any time someone becomes aware that he/she is being persuaded to do something whether good or bad, the natural tendency is to resist. The worst line that can be put on such a billboard is "Go Veg/Vegan" or something similar. I know because I hate those bumper stickers myself. "Don't TELL me what to do !!"

The point is to make people aware of the source of their food -- everything that occurs between fully conscious/self-aware creatures grazing in a field, and neatly sliced dead tissue between bread. To hardened/indifferent people such as yourself who are part of the process themselves it will not have an effect at least not right away, but maybe it will get them to think, and *maybe* many years later they will question themselves. I know because when I was very young, I used to relish meat myself.

[Redstone]

112. Well, hell, I was just trying to be agreeable.

I don't have a dog in this fight. People can eat whatever they want to, doesn't matter to me.

Redstone

[pokercat999]

81. You are correct Redstone. Let me

see if I can help PETA out here. It seems most of PETA's "problem" comes because they believe it is wrong to kill and eat animals. Well maybe, I'm not entirely sure, however this I know as a fact.....There is no reason to eat animal flesh other than you like the taste of "meat". As a matter of fact I think it has been proved beyond a doubt that eating meat is detrimental to your health.
If we can agree on that we have a starting point, lets take ethics out of "meat" and necessity out of "meat". What we are left with is meat eaters eat meat because they LIKE THE TASTE. If so, and I believe that to be correct, then what meat they eat is totally irrelevant! Chicken, fish, dog, cat, goat, human it's all the same, enjoy. How they kill that animal or weather they eat it alive is of no concern to me (although PETA does object) if you are eating meat of any kind you are killing "god's" creatures to satisfy your TASTE BUDS! If you can admit that and you are OK with it, so am I. Just please don't try to classify yourself as a human being, homo-sapien, OK, human being? Not on this planet.

lol flame away..... animals.....

[Redstone]

106. Well, if God hadn't wanted us to eat animals,

why did He make them out of meat?

I'm gonna go get a burger. Back later.

Redstone

[retnavyliberal]

115. Well, I am with Petp,

That's is People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants. How do we know that plants enjoy being slaughtered? I know, you are thinking I am a Tin Foil Hatter, but lets think about it. We can all agree on a few basics. Plants have cell structure like animals. They are alive like animals. They grow, reproduce, and to paraphrase you, they are God's creations. Vegetables and nuts are often part of the reproduction cycle of the plant so we have right to life issues there as well.

Ok, sarcasm over, however I think the reason that people object to Peta is that Peta has the reputation of a Radical Organization, not a Progressive one. My example of what I am talking about is throwing red paint on people wearing clothes that Peta finds offensive.

For the record, I do not eat at KFC myself because I think they could do things differently. That is my way of protest. I don't think standing in front of a place of business, yelling at people trying to enter and take advantage of the services the business offers is a productive or appropriate way of doing things. In my minds eye, I can see the protesters yelling at families that they are helping chicken murders. Good thing KFC is not an abortion clinic.

[Prisonerohio]

121. PETA is as annoying as pro-lifers.

I thought we should bash PETA because they support firebombing labs, and
other forms of terrorism.

[Redstone]

52. Read the post again. He didn't say

"how much of," he said "how much they would complain."

His grammar was correct. Your snotty "sic" was incorrect.

Redstone

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

55. PETA=saints

miracles can happen

[xchrom]

22. what a weird question.

it's about how the fucking chickens are killed -- not don't eat chicken or free the chicken.

but find a better way to kill the chicken.

animalist fundamentalist? what the hell is that?

[magnussun]

23. PETA

I agree with animal welfare laws, but these people would harass me for .... fishing. And they oppose pet ownership.

[livinginphotographs]

26. I'm sorry for shouting but

ONCE AGAIN!!! THEY DO NOT OPPOSE PET OWNERSHIP!!!!

Jesus christ, that's practically the third fucking time I've had to say this today.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[The Stranger]

66. DUers parroting Right Wing talking points about PETA --

. . . happens all the time.

[northzax]

71. huh, really?

you sure? cause I was just over at that wignut site www.peta.org. And they sure seem to be working real hard to say they don't oppose it, while advocating positions that would make it impossible to own a pet.

http://www.peta.org/about/faq-comp.asp

“Does PETA believe that people shouldn’t have pets?”
The earliest fossils that resemble the bones of modern dogs are about 12,000 years old, so we know that humans’ fascination with domesticated wolves began at least that long ago. About 5,000 years ago, Egyptians became the first to tame cats, whom they used to control the rodent population. Since then, the breeding and care of cats and dogs has exploded into a love affair, a sport, and a booming business. This international pastime has created an overpopulation crisis, and as a result, every year, millions of unwanted animals suffer at the hands of abusers, languish in shelters, and are euthanized. Adopting a cat or dog from a shelter and providing a loving home is a small but powerful way to prevent some of this suffering. The most important thing that animal guardians can do is to spay or neuter their animals and avoid buying animals from breeders or pet stores, which contribute to the overpopulation crisis.
Read more about ways to provide rich, interesting lives for your domesticated animal companions.

“If I am able to find homes for all the kittens or puppies, why shouldn’t I allow my cat or dog to have a litter?”
While your intentions may be good, there’s no way of knowing what will happen to the animals once they have been adopted. This year, millions of healthy, wonderful animals will go through the front doors of shelters—and go out the back doors in body bags. Many more will be abandoned on the streets. All this misery and death could be prevented through spaying and neutering (surgical sterilization). Every stray cat and neglected dog came from an animal who had not been spayed or neutered.

PETA works hard to educate the public about the importance of spaying and neutering through pamphlets, billboards, letters to editors, ads, public service announcements, articles, and humane-education programs in schools. We also provide spaying and neutering services for the animal companions of low-income families and elderly people
Read more about the dog and cat overpopulation crisis.

so let me get this straight. All pets should be spayed or neutered, none should ever breed. Kinda eliminates the pet population in a generation, doesn't it?

[livinginphotographs]

77. That's why they bring their pets to work.

Because they believe it is such an evil institution. /sarcasm

Getting people to use birth control in Africa to control the spread of AIDS and overpopulation is not an attempt to eradicate an entire population. It recognizes that there's just too many people (as PETA recognizes there are too many pets for society to be able to humanely support them) and makes an attempt to slow the growth of the population.

And if the meat-eaters had their way, there'd be no pets anyway, because humans would be too busy devouring every living creature on this planet, save the ones they considered worthy of saving.

Baseless accusations are fun, aren't they?

[northzax]

82. there is a difference between birth control

and stating that you do not believe that a species should be able to continue breeding at all, don't you think? PETA favours total and complete sterilisation of domestic animals. That is an extinction call, right?

I'm just taking their own words to the plainly logical conclusion of their statement. I didn't write it, I took it, in full context, off the PETA website. You can explain to me all you want that they don't oppose pet ownership, but they are calling for the extinction of those breeds.

Since we're talking rights, please differentiate between these statements:

1: I think it's perfectly ok to have Jews around, as long as they are never allowed to breed.

2: I think it's perfectly ok to have cats around, as long as they are never allowed to breed.

I think the first would be considered as beyond the pale and favouring the extinction of Jews, don't you? So why isn't the latter favouring the extinction of cats? explain.

[livinginphotographs]

83. I explained already.

There's a difference between calling for extermination of a species and trying to control overpopulation. It's simple, really.

[northzax]

88. so when PETA says

not to allow dogs or cats to breed under any circumstances, EVEN if you have homes for them, that's just population control? on the same page, PETA advises against adopting or spaying/neutering feral cats. If we all followed PETA's advice, in 15 years, dogs and cats as we know them would be extinct. yes or no? If house cats are not allowed to breed, by anyone, and we're not allowed to adopt feral cats, where is the next generation of cats coming from? flying saucers? seriously, if no house cats breed, then house cats will become extinct. right?

[livinginphotographs]

91. As of this point, I wouldn't worry about extinction.

The populations are so out of control (thanks to irresponsible humans) that I'm not too worried. I spayed both my cats, and I'm not trying to eradicate the species. Same reason I won't have children of my own: with peak oil and dwindling resources to support civilization, why would I want to thrust a few more mouths out into an already over-burdened world?

Cat populations will never be something PETA can control with the push of a few buttons. There will always been ferals which still manage to breed, and some people will still never spay or neuter their cats. We're not so naive as to think that people will one day become perfect because of the efforts of PETA. So this is kind of a pointless argument.

[northzax]

92. so you don't actually believe in what you're preaching?

you don't actually think that everyone should cease the breeding of domesticated cats and dogs? interesting.

[livinginphotographs]

95. I didn't say that.

Hell, if we're going off of simply how I'd like the world to be, we'd all be anarchists. Unfortunately, I realize there's a serious difference between what I'd like and how things are.

Yes, I believe that everyone should cease the breeding of domesticated cats and dogs UNTIL THE POPULATIONS ARE UNDER CONTROL AND EVERY CAT OR DOG IS WELL-CARED FOR. (sorry for the caps, but I didn't want you to miss my qualifier).

So it's not an issue of what I believe. I'm not sure where you got that from...

[northzax]

96. ok, what does PETA say?

instead of you? what's their opinion on when we can allow the breeding of animals again? cause the website sure implies the answer to that is 'never' and it does not cite the problem of over population, but the one of cruelty. Overpopulation one can cure, but if the very existence is cruel, you're SOL, no?

[livinginphotographs]

98. This is why I hate these threads.

:)

I'm not a member of PETA, and don't particularly like them as an organization because of my own personal dealings with them. This is not to say that I don't think their cause is a good one, but I would choose to align myself with different AR organizations. So I'm going to stop right here as far as outlining their position.

But you can't reasonably expect them to list the exact date that we can start breeding cats and dogs again. There's so many variables (irresponsible humans, whether Fluffy makes it across the road or gets gored by a bus) that I can't sit here behind my computer and predict when the population will be under control.

And the existence of a cat or dog is not cruel. What is cruel is people getting kittens when they're cute, then dumping them somewhere when the now 2-year-old cat keeps pooping on the rug. Every cat or dog that a responsible owner prevents from being born means more room in the shelters for the cat or dog which has been abused and/or abandoned.

[pokercat999]

120. "I'm not a member of PETA, and don't particularly like them as an organiza

There are much better "organizations" like A.L.F. unfortunely I can't tell you the phone number of your local chapter.

[livinginphotographs]

123. You know why you can't give me the phone number?

Because the "ALF" is nothing more than some punk kid blows something up and spraypaints "ALF" on the sidewalk outside.

Hell, I could do all kinds of criminal things and claim I'm from the Democratic Party, but that doesn't mean that I'm actually part of a evil terrorist organization called the Democratic Party.

I think I'm going to put it in my signature line: "Think before you post." Maybe (but I doubt it) this will encourage people to not post uninformed tripe like what you just did.

[The Stranger]

104. Nonsense.

I'm just taking their own words to the plainly logical conclusion of their statement. I didn't write it, I took it, in full context, off the PETA website.

Blah, blah fucking blah.

You can explain to me all you want that they don't oppose pet ownership, but they are calling for the extinction of those breeds.

To assert this is to attempt an escape from reality, and the fact that there are millions of unwanted pets that must be put to death every year because of the lack of reproductive control.

To state that this is opposition to pet ownership would be laughable -- if only it rose to that level.

[The Stranger]

103. Congratulations.

That could be the most ignorant post I've ever read on DU.

All pets should be spayed or neutered, none should ever breed. Kinda eliminates the pet population in a generation, doesn't it?

Please tell me this was meant in jest. (PLEASE).

[livinginphotographs]

27. Mr. Olivo is a prick.

Nuff said.

And beef eating man is not much better.

"Here in good ol' Brownsville, we take prahde in how we tortue chickuns." :spit:

[blue northern]

33. Fast Food is Unhealthy

I'm an omnivore.
Does anyone think supermarket chickens are treated any better?


The Arrogant Worms -
Carrot Juice Is Murder


Listen up brothers and sisters, come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegtables live in oppression, served on our tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream

Chorus:
I've heard the screams of the vegetables(Scream... scream... scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (Having their insides revealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy..(Burning off calories)
How do you think that feels? (That it hurts really bad)
Carrot juice constitutes murder..(And that's a real crime)
greenhouses prisons for slaves (Let my vegetables go!)
It's time to stop all this gardening..(It's dirty as hell)
Let's call a spade a spade. (is a spade is a spade is a)

I saw a man eating celery, so I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I'll bite him clean in two
I'm a political prisoner, trapped in a windowless cage
'Cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips, by killing five men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, "This is my finest hour!
I'd kill those farmers again, just to save one more cauliflower!"

CHORUS

How low as people do we dare to stoop?
Making young broccolis bleed in the soup
Untie your beans! Uncage your tomatoes!
Let potted plants free! Don't mash that potato!! Whoa!... Whoa!... Whoa!...

I've heard the screams of the vegetables(Scream... scream... scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (Into the stirfryer sealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy..(You fat gormet slob)
How do you think that feels? (Leave them out in the field)
Carrot juice constitutes murder..(V-8's genocide)
greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves)
It's time to stop all this gardening..(Take Up macrame)
Let's call a spade a spade. (is a spade is a spade is a)

[Redstone]

41. That's pretty damn funny, and clever as well.

Who wrote it?

Redstone

[blue northern]

42. The Arrogant Worms

They're a Canadian musical group.
Here's a link to their webpage.
http://www.arrogant-worms.com/
They're funny as mel.
(think Capital Steps meets Neil Young meets Red Green)

[Redstone]

46. Thanks for the link,

I'll check them out.

Redstone

[DulceDecorum]

47. Me too.

I like them already.

[Redstone]

43. One of the dingdongs from PETA was wearing a chicken suit,

and it can get durn hot down there in Brownsville...has anybody stopped to consider that the KFC guy might have just felt sorry for that person, and cranked up the sprinklers so he or she could cool down?

We used to run under the lawn sprinkler when we were kids, and it worked great on a hot day.

Redstone

[darkism]

57. I hear chicken suit man got lost on the way to the free republic rally.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3479927&mesg_id=3479976&page=

[FLSurfer]

60. The question of meat eating aside

Don't people have the right to peacefully protest?
I'm curious if these protesters were on the sidewalk
or on private property. The article simply states, standing
by a curb.

[yellowcanine]

65. My question also - Is soaking someone assault? At the least, the

manager is risking a lawsuit if the protesters were on a public sidewalk or street.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

67. Especially if they "slipped" and hurt themselves.

[Lilith Velkor]

64. Bwahahahaha! n/t

[livinginphotographs]

69. Yeah, torturing chickens is hilarious!

You want to see some videos that will make you laugh your ass off!!! Here ya go: http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=kfc_overview&feat=kfc_overview&pos=fp3

or http://www.petatv.com/downloads/kfc_overview.zip

Man, isn't that hilarious!!!! Chickens have their throats slit while still conscious! Chickens starved to death because the antibiotics and hormones they are fed make them too heavy to walk to food!!! Chickens with giant sores all over them!!! Chickens debeaked by hot blades without anesthesia!!!

It's a real laugh riot!!!

:eyes:

But of course, we couldn't let reality get in the way of our endless quest to bash PETA, regardless of the cause.

[northzax]

72. you take this a little seriously, you know what?

the reason it's so fun to joke about PETA is the membership, from Newkirk on down, have a remarkable lack of anything remotely resembling a sense of humor.

[livinginphotographs]

73. Yeah, we get accused of that all the time.

Even though when they jokingly asked a city to rename itself from Hamburg to Veggieburg, everyone got all indignant.

But yeah, it's the vegans with no sense of humor.

And racist jokes may be funny to some, but I take those a bit seriously too. Sorry.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

76. I'm a meat-eater, but I still support PETA

I don't want any cruelty involved. Hope you would still have me.

[livinginphotographs]

78. There are many employees of PETA who are not vegetarian.

Vegans don't bite (unless you're a piece of broccoli, in which case, you'd better watch out).

[Rufus T. Firefly]

79. I've considered going Vegan,

but I'm weak. I love my Big Macs, etc. And no support doesn't help much either.

[livinginphotographs]

80. Going from Big Macs to vegan is a bit of a leap.

Unless you are really determined, it's probably not the best way to do it. You could try easing off meat if you wanted, and see how that works for you.

At least you're conscious of the issues surrounding the eating of meat, though.

[northzax]

84. wel, if you're comparing it to racism

there you go.

I actually have a completely serious question for you, if you wouldn't mind? How far removed from animals before you will use it? I assume, for instance, that you will take penicillin, even though that was tested on animals. But you might not use cosmetics that are tested on animals, s how many generations removed from animal cruelty (however you personally define that) does something have to be before you'll use it, or allow it to be used on you? Seriously, would you consider heart surgery that was perfected on animals? insulin from horses? Medically, where's the line for you? I'm fascinated.

[livinginphotographs]

86. These are just extreme examples....

And I won't take the bait. It's like asking someone between choosing which one of their children they would kill if they absolutely have to.

Besides the fact that I haven't taken penicillin since I was a kid (even before I was vegan, I was incredibly healthy), penicillin was tested on animals, but killed pretty much all animals it was tested on. Shows how useful animal testing is.

(Of course, I've also seen sources showing that penicillin WASN'T tested on animals, so who knows what to believe on the internets these days.)

edit: spelling

[northzax]

90. hmm, for a vegan, you sure throw a lot of ducks around.

Your heart is failing. Do you have surgery, yes or no?

you have strep throat. do you take antibiotics, or not?

you get cancer. chemo or not?

three questions, three answers. All were tested on animals, 1 out of three adults will get strep in their lifetimes, and most people will die from cancer or heart failure. I don't really see how those are farfetched examples.

[livinginphotographs]

93. Do you have kids?

Two or more? If so, and you absolutely had to choose, which one would you kill? Bobby? Little Janie? Sweet sweet little Elijah? Yes or no. Pick one. Right here, right now, for all of DU to see.

Don't have kids? Well, I don't have heart problems, strept throat (never had it at all), or cancer.

[northzax]

94. ahh, big difference

the first requires me to make an active decision to harm another human being. Plus, I have never said that people should not have children.

The second requires you to make a passive decision, in line with your professed views, that harms only yourself.

first person versus third person. see?

[livinginphotographs]

97. No, because my patronizing of an industry which tests on animals

encourages them to continue testing on animals. I don't delude myself into thinking that my actions don't have butterfly effect-style consequences for the rest of the world. So they both harm another creature. Where we disagree is how we value which creatures.

I can't answer yes or no, though. I've never been in that situation, I'd have to know specifics (how serious the conditions were, whether i had six months to live, etc.). Hell, if I had only a month to live, I'd say to hell with the drugs and go on a one-month drug and alcohol binge.

But it's just like the equally ridiculous question of, "If you saw a dog and a human baby drowning, which one would you save?" of course assuming that since vegans hate all humans and only like animals, we'd let the poor wittle baby drown and save the stupid dog.

So which of your kids would you kill?

[northzax]

99. I'm not the one advocating that a choice needs to be made

having never said that people should not have children, I am not in the position of having to make that decision. However, I do know that between my children (when/if I have them) and myself, I would hope I chose to allow myself to die, rather than my child. Obviously, without being there it's a hypothetical.

how's that?

[livinginphotographs]

101. Exactly. It's a hypothetical.

I would never have asked you that if you hadn't posed a similar question to me, because I realize it's impossible to ask people how they would act in extraordinary situations that they have never faced before.

[mmmbeer]

128. This discussion reminds me of one I once saw on TV

involving Rod Liddle, a British political commentator. Liddle's mother had recently died of cancer, and when he said he was against all animal testing, another guest asked him if he would have agreed to such testing if it could have helped develop a cure for her illness. His reply: "If it could have saved my mothers life, I would have to agreed to experimentation on my next door neighbour. But that doesn't make it morally right". That's a response that's really stuck with me.

[Redstone]

107. "heart surgery that was perfected on animals..."

Or a replacement heart valve taken from a pig? Do you suppose they'd consider the pig's "rights" if it was use the valve or die?

Redstone

[The Stranger]

102. So THAT makes torturing chickens hilarious?

If you have a personal problem with the leadership, don't take it out on the organization and so tragically miss the

main point here, which is the ethical treatment of animals.

[Lilith Velkor]

89. So are aborted fetuses and hostage beheadings

But even those ain't half as funny as satisfying the martyr complex of a PETArd. With water and The Man Who Eats Beef, no less.

:rofl:

[livinginphotographs]

100. So you think aborted fetuses and beheadings are funny?

Hmm. Thank you for sharing.

You also managed to mangle the English language with an "ain't" and call someone retarded as an insult. I hope you don't know anyone with real mental retardation, because that would be, well, pretty offensive.

You sure you didn't just get lost at DU and mean to go -----------> that way?

[Lilith Velkor]

105. Of course.

I find them just as funny as Agent Orange and depleted uranium.

Keep digging, dear. You are proving an aforementioned point beautifully.

[BadNews]

109. exactly

For those who don't recognize sarcasm.

I don't get PETA because I see no way to equate animal suffering to human suffering. PETA would be on the fringe in any society, unless you live in in India.

In the natural realm, animals are food for humans. We are a bit more technologically advanced than other predators and as such have expanded across the planet. It does not change the fact that we are carniverous. There are just more of us to feed. Sure, I would rather the animal suffer as little as possible before they reach my plate, but I am not at all disturbed by the processes of modern butchering.

That cow hanging by one leg without a head, is now food. I have hunted many deer and elk. The end result is the same. You hang them to drain the blood before butchering them.

You ask would I like to be in their hooves? It is irrelevant. I am the predator. They are quite tasty.

[crowcalling]

117. Carnivores?

I thought humans were omnivores! I've been a meat eater for many years but now am mostly vegetarian. For health reasons mainly. Has everyone forgotten about the Mad Cow issue? What about bird flu? Hello? .. Figure the appalling and very un-natural conditions these animals are kept in might be breeding a few diseases which are quite deadly to humans. Peta really doesn't have to protest. Nature might just take care of things herself!

Ya'll just keep on eating that there beef and chicken! :) Doesn't bother me one bit.

As far as the franchise owner, the Peta folks should leave him alone. Poor guy.

[livinginphotographs]

124. Humans are nothing but slaves to instinct, didn't you know?

But like Wal-Mart shoppers, don't expect the knee-jerk PETA haters to do anything but make snide comments.

And all of us super-unhealthy vegans will soon be too busy with our anemia/lack or protein/lack of vitamin B12 to worry about the triple bypasses and mad cow infections that are going around. ;)

[Redstone]

110. Forget the chickens for a minute. How about some feelings for

a fellow human being?

Here's this poor bastard Olivo, and his life is managing a Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet.

In Brownsville, Texas, no less.

That's his life.

Hasn't he suffered enough?

Redstone

[Carolab]

119. I met Harlan Sanders when I was 16.

That was about 40 years ago. My father was working for the ad agency, Nobel-Drury, in Nashville, that handled the account. He was an old man and he fell asleep in my dad's friend's living room, in a rocking chair. They took his picture and used it on a "Christmas with Colonel Sanders" album cover. I asked him what the secret recipe was and he laughed. He had worked hard, traveling around in a station wagon, town to town, with a pressure cooker, making chicken using locally raised fowl. He was a nice old guy and I liked him. I ate lots of his chicken in my life, but NO MORE. He would spit on KFC as it is today.

[Redstone]

133. Actually, he did kind of spit on them when he was alive.

I read somewhere that he was very angry when they ditched his original spice recipe and cooking method in favor of the greasy-cardboard-tasting stuff that they now serve. From what I understand, his original chicken was very good and actually HAD "11 herbs and spices" in the coating.

Now it's just salt, pepper, and MSG (as analyzed by William Poundstone in the book "Big Secrets").

Redstone

[davhill]

122. Did PETA ever take a position

On Terri Schavo? Or was she considered a vegtable, not an animal?

[RebelOne]

126. I am sick and tired of all this f**king PETA bashing!!!!

They do more good than harm. At least there is someone fighting for those beings that cannot speak for themselves.

[crowcalling]

129. Having a heart..

I think a lot of people would probably give up at least mass produced chicken and beef if they knew the conditions the animals were forced to live in during their short lives. But it takes a change of heart, it takes compassion. Can't force that on people. Not at all! Do animals have emotions and thoughts and personalities? If you don't know just go out and do some research on current scientific findings regarding animal intelligence and emotion. You know - those things called Scientific Journals?

Oh I forgot, people don't do research in this country any more, we just know what the media and corporations spoon feed us on a daily basis and in addition we only choose to hear what makes us feel good about ourselves.

I'm glad PETA is there. They make me uncomfortable, they make me think. Good.

[shockra]

130. Tells you something about Democrats these days.

These threads remind me of that episode of Roseanne where Darlene (the vegetarian) confronts her mom about opening a diner that sells meat, saying that it's exploiting animals.

Roseanne replies: "We're too low on the food chain to exploit other people. The only thing left IS animals."

[mmmbeer]

131. I have to say I'm surprised at some of the vitriol towards PETA here

I would have fought KFC was a much better target for progressive anger.:shrug: