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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:53 PM
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House Votes to End Federal Estate Taxes
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050413/ap_on_go_co/estate_tax

The House voted Wednesday to eliminate federal estate taxes in 2010 and beyond, a repeal that Republicans hailed but Democrats said would reward the richest families at the steep cost of deeper federal deficits.

House lawmakers voted 272-162 to prevent the tax on inherited estates from reappearing after its one-year disappearance in 2010. The bill would end the tax at a cost of roughly $290 billion over the next decade.

The House has passed bills repealing the tax several times since enacting the 2001 law that lifted the tax for a year. Those bills have languished in the Senate. Supporters hope a bigger Republican majority there could mean the difference this year, but Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., refused to predict the likelihood of success. "We are working to see what the best approach is," he said.

In a statement released after the House vote, President Bush called the elimination "a matter of basic fairness." He said, "The death tax results in the double taxation of many family assets while hurting the source of most new jobs in this country — America's small business and farms."

:puke:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:54 PM
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1. The rich get richer and so do their children!!!
While we go deeper in debt and poor get poorer!!!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:57 PM
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6. Does the Bush family benefit from this bill?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:59 PM
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11. Absolutely! No taxes on his dad's estate not to mention other relatives.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:33 AM
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47. Whew! Good thing they got it passed before old
Pappy took one parachute jump too many.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:00 PM
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12. Yes, in a big way
Bush is worth more than $25 million.

Jeb is worth more than $10 million.

Pappy Bush is worth God knows how much. Well, actually, the Saudi royal family knows.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:30 PM
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42. Of course they do.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:15 PM
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26. Isn't this now the Paris Hilton tax cut?
"This is big news for the Social Security debate. Michael J. Graetz and Ian Shapiro, authors of a new book on the estate tax, "Death by a Thousand Cuts," have referred to its repeal as the "Paris Hilton Benefit Act." To pick up on the metaphor, why should Congress be more concerned about protecting Paris Hilton's inheritance than grandma's Social Security check? How can a member of Congress even think about raising payroll taxes while throwing away so much other revenue?

-snip-
Those who vote to repeal the estate tax this week will be sending a clear message: They see the "crisis" in Social Security as serious enough to justify benefit cuts and private accounts. But it's not serious enough to warrant a minor inconvenience to those who plan to live on their parents' wealth."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45305-2005Apr11.html
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:30 PM
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33. You got it!
The basic philosphy of much of the GOP goes like this: If you get your money and property through being a blood relation or a spouse, you should pay no federal tax on it. If you get your money by working 40, 50, or 60 hours a week, you should pay federal tax on it. The cleaning lady doesn't deserve a tax cut, but Paris Hilton does. Why, please? So that Ms. Hilton can indulge in even more idiotic behavior than she already does?
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 12:05 PM
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50. Tell me again . . .
what is wrong with voluntary private social security accounts?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:56 PM
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2. There goes more money for our social security.
It was suggested that they repeal the tax on estates on anything under 3 million to protect small businesses but they refused to put a cap on it.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:56 PM
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3. Basic fairness?
Anyone got a chart regarding the proportion of this tax cut to the very rich versus the rest of us?

(And W using a phrase like "basic fairness"... The mind boggles. The families of how many dead Iraqi civilians would love to hear about this basic fairness.)
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:03 PM
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15. Two cites
The right-wing leadership in the House has scheduled a vote on the permanent repeal of the estate tax, which was paid last year by just 30,627 of the wealthiest Americans. (That's less than 1 percent of everyone who died.) Under current law, the first $1.5 million of all estates are tax free.

www.progressreport.org


Another cite:
http://snipurl.com/dzv5
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:56 PM
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4. Is the senate going to do the same?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:57 PM
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5. That's right! Paris Hilton deserves every dime
of her parents' estate. Of course, if they really wanted to address the issue they'd just raise the cieling to $10 million: that would protect just about every family farm and small business in the country. But that's not the point--the point is to create a new American aristocracy based on inherited wealth. Exactly what Jefferson said would (and should) bring about the next American revolution.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:57 PM
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7. And just where do they propose to get the $290 billion back?!
That's real money, folks. That's enough to pay for another 3 1/2 years of his illegal, immoral Iraq war at the going rate.

Solution: simple. Don't tax businesses like you do real property or stocks and bonds or whatever. A million dollars worth of business is not necessarily an easily convertible asset like a million dollars worth of Halliburton stock.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:01 PM
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13. The alternative minimum tax on the middle class is one new source
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 05:13 PM by dmordue
He also has to cut Social security and veteran benefits and nearly everything else.

Bush's secret tax on democrats http://slate.msn.com/id/2098757/


As Bill Gale and Leonard Burman of the Brookings Institution warn in this piece:

By 2010, the AMT will affect 33 million taxpayers—about one-third of all tax returns—up from 1 million in 1999. This would make the AMT almost as common as the mortgage interest deduction is today. The AMT will be the de facto tax system for households with income between $100,000 and $500,000, 93 percent of whom will face the tax. It will encroach dramatically on the middle class, affecting 37 percent of households with income between $50,000 and $75,000 and 73 percent of households with income between $75,000 and $100,000 (compared to less than 3 percent for each group in 2002).
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:34 PM
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43. Take a wild guess.
:)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:58 PM
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8. Bastards!
:grr:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:59 PM
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9. Estate Tax Repeal Would Hurt Charitable Giving, New CBO Reports Say
Estate Tax Repeal Would Hurt Charitable Giving, New CBO Reports Say

http://www.faireconomy.org/press/2004/EstateTaxCharitableGiving_pr.html

Two new studies by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) find that a permanent repeal of the federal estate tax would greatly reduce charitable giving. The CBO estimated that overall charitable giving would decline between 6 and 12 percent, and the decline in charitable bequests would range from 20 to 30 percent, if the estate tax were fully repealed.

“The CBO studies confirm results from independent analysts, and show that estate tax repeal would cause charities to lose between $12 and $24 billion in giving per year, ” said John Irons, Senior Economic Policy Analyst at OMB Watch, a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group. Total charitable giving in the United States reached $201 billion in 2003.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:59 PM
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10. pukes claim that this bill will help 70,000 people....whooooptiedo!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:03 PM
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17. All donors to republicans and it hurts all the rest of us
The good news is Donald Trump can pass everything to his kid tax free. And Bush gets Papa Bush's estate tax fee.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:05 PM
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20. Interesting...
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 05:17 PM by punpirate
... that's the wealthiest 0.0237% of the population. So, we favor the interests of the rich in contravention of the interests of the other 295 million of the country's citizens.

Jefferson and Monroe must be apoplectic right now. This helps establish the very aristocracy that they warned would result in the destruction of the nation.

Note, too, from that vote, that there were about forty Democrats who thought this was a good idea, as well....
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:17 PM
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29. Only 1.25% of deaths the previous yr had estates that were taxed
In 2004, the government collected $24.8 billion from the estate tax, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. The number of estates that owed tax in 2003 amounted to 1.25 percent of deaths the previous year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/13/politics/main687878.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=Politics_687878
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:27 PM
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31. So, only 1.25% of Americans...
Part of the trouble is that Congress has slightly different demographics.

Yet another giveaway to their real constituents that the rest of us will have to make up for.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:03 PM
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14. Is there a roll call? nt
nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:03 PM
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16. Fine. They don't want to support the country from which they get rich,...
,...they should go to all congregate to the North freakin' Pole!!!

Greedy, stingy, self-serving crap-buckets!!!
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:03 PM
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18. Disgusting.
:puke:
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:05 PM
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19. A matter of basic greed is more like it. My take on the anti-taxers
Gilding Posterity
The Case for Long-term Tax Relief



The first question that needs to be asked in any serious tax debate is who really needs money more, rich people or poor people? And any right thinking person would have to agree that rich people need money more. After all, anyone with common sense, or children to feed, knows it doesn’t take very much money to be poor.
But being rich is very expensive. At least it is if you’re going to do it right. You have the yachts, you have the limos, you have the mansions to keep up. Nor are country club memberships cheap. Then there are diamonds for the wife, and diamonds for the mistress. (Or, perhaps, a diamond earring for that certain Giorgio.) Lawyers, accountants, private school tuition, bail for your children, and Christmas bonuses to the pilots of your private planes: regardless how much money you’re raking in from governmental contracts or billing from Medicaid, the cost of these necessities keeps adding up. And we haven’t yet mentioned the money needed for campaign contributions to candidates who promise they’ll reduce your taxes so that you will have even more money to donate to candidates who will promise to reduce your taxes.
Karl Marx said it best, “To each according to his needs.” And quite simply the rich have greater needs. And don’t forget that on top of sustaining their individual life styles the rich are also charged with carrying the ambitions of the entire society on their back. For if wealth did not exist, to what would the rest of us aspire? No, being that wealth is the true North of all our compasses, the wealthy must be regarded as the brave explorers who are leading us where we all want to go. And, therefore, it is our obligation as citizens to subsidize their efforts to colonize the Land of Plenty, so that one day we may all live there duty free.
Now, having established the moral basis for reducing the tax burden of the wealthy, there are also pragmatic economic reasons for pursuing such a policy. As you know, the government's budgets are currently in shortfall. While it would be a mistake to think of these shortfalls as deficits – deficits, after all, are when the government, out of desperation, spends more money than it has, as opposed to the present Administration’s fundamentally much more optimistic policy of simply giving away more money than it has (a policy of pre-distributed surpluses rather than true deficits) –one must concede that the government will one day be forced to sell more bonds at inflated rates of interest to cover these shortfalls. But, here again, conservative economic policy displays its prescience. For unlike liberal governments which simply run red ink for red ink’s sake, conservative governments, displaying great economic foresight, dare to run red white, and blue ink, knowing that the same fierce sense of patriotism that inspires the wealthy to selflessly pierce the lapels of $5,000 suits with flag pins, will motivate them, if given the money now, to buy those high yielding bonds, when the government needs investors in the future. Again, we demonstrate how, by providing for the wealthy, we best provide for the future of America.
Which brings us to the Death Tax. Recently, it has come to my attention that certain folks out there are attempting to reposition the Death Tax as some kind of Patriot’s Appreciation Tax. The illiberal logic is something like this: it's the infrastructure of America, as paid for by generations of Americans before them that has created the fertile field in which present day Americans grow their wealth. Because the wealthy have been given great opportunities, paid for by others, they should look at the great wealth they have created as nothing more than the lucky bankings of a grand monopoly game. And therefore, to give others the chance to play the same game, the winners should gladly give a large portion of their winnings back to America to reinvest in the same infrastructures that enabled them to create their own wealth.
Such is the power of sophistry that for a moment one is tempted to subscribe to such a fabulous notion as patriotic altruism. Until one realizes how inherently un-American is the very concept of altruism in the public sphere. Remember, the Founding Fathers did not establish the first government in the world; they established the first self-government. And it is no coincidence that in such a formulation the Self comes before the government. Listen, in a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, the people are the government. Therefore in self-government the needs of the self must always come before the needs of the people. Any rich person could tell you this. Otherwise, there would be absolutely no moral basis for tolerating the inequalities in the social system.
And if we have any doubt that this “expectation of gratitude” in the wealthy is nothing more than a very sophisticated expression of envy, those doubts are dispelled when we realize that one of the most passionate advocates of positioning the Death Tax as a Patriot’s Appreciation Tax turns out to be the father of the very man who put the Bill in Billionaire.
Thanks Grandpa.
As if Senior is the one who is going to be doing the inheriting when Junior’s own window, “version three score and ten” is finally closed. Even though, by that time he’ll be so rich he’ll probably already have his name on Heaven’s Gates.
No, that the Inheritance Tax is nothing more than a discriminatory Death Tax becomes very clear when one considers the simple fact that it prevents the rich from burying all their wealth with them. But it’s their money, and who is the government to say they can’t take it with them? In fact, I feel so strongly about this point that I would lift my objection to any Patriot’s Appreciation Tax, as long as all the wealth that went into the ground with the deceased was exempted from taxation. Then, if people were misguided enough to leave their money to the living, well, the government might have a moral basis for reabsorbing a portion of their estates. In such a case, a refusal to inter might rightly be regarded as a de facto quit claim; an admission by the dead that they really don’t need the money anymore.
But given a tax incentive to inter, I am sure most wealthy Americans would gladly bury all their accumulations with them. For, upon consideration, it would occur to them that nothing would speak about the greatness of America to the people of the future more than how much wealth its citizens could afford to bury with them in the past.
Yes, the model is Egypt. And weren’t the Pharaohs wise to see how much glory a national policy of Asset Internment would bring to their civilization in the distant future. I mean, without the pyramids all we would know of Egypt is that the people never had to go hungry for all the sand which is there. But because the rulers didn’t worry about the needs of the living, they insured themselves, and their civilization, the bright luminance of a gilded posterity.
So, it can be with America. So what if our society doesn’t have enough money to educate a child today. If in 2,000 years a child has learned from our burial vaults what a great people we were, what great possessions we had, we have not only educated a child (and probably a child from our own class) but have educated the entire Future to the essence of American wealth.
And that, as I said before, is the purpose of wealth: to maintain itself in such a fashion that inspires us all to be wealthy. So to all wealthy Americans, I plea: if you truly want the glory of America to live forever, then urge your personal lobbyist to pass the appropriate tax legislation that will enable you to bury all your wealth with you. For having had everything in this life, it is vitally important that you let the Future know that in America, the people were every bit the equal of the ancient Egyptians, and the rich as free, and as foresightful, as the wise and mighty Pharos.
And may God Bless America. As he has blessed the memory of the Land of Cleopatra and the legend of her truly magnificent Tuts.

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:03 PM
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39. I have to say I have not yet read half your post....
....and it easily is the finest and most cogent satire I've seen on this site....You're a Mark Twain fan, ain'tcha??? At least I treasure it-Congrats on great writing!!!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:05 PM
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21. Roll call of House vote...
The 272-162 roll call Wednesday by which the House voted for a permanent repeal of the estate tax.

A yes vote is a vote to pass the legislation.

Voting yes were 42 Democrats and 230 Republicans.

Voting no were 160 Democrats, one Republican and one independent.

(Roll call at link)



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050413/ap_on_go_co/house_rollcall_estate_tax&e=1
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:34 PM
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34. bob filner voted yes..
unbelievable. That guy is (was) one of my favorite congress critters.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:07 PM
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22. Now that they've taken care of the top 2%
Anyone taking odds of them tackling the Alternative Minimum Tax?


(Didn't Bush just say in civilized society the strong take care of the weak?)

At least my Congressman voted against the repeal
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:15 PM
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27. They need the revenue from the AMT to pay the top 2% off.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:08 PM
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23. If I remember correctly there is no estate tax on the first 2 or 3 million
I could be wrong but we've been trying to figure out my mother-in-law's tax status and I remember the accountant telling us that.

So, obviously, this new tax break does NOT benefit the average American only those above average financially. ANother one for the BFEE!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:09 PM
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24. The answer, Sen. Kyl, is to eliminate all taxes on the affluent and let
their wealth trickle down.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:11 PM
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25. is anyone else pissed off that 42 dems voted for this?
Every Dem should be screaming that Bush and the GOP want to cut Social Security benefits for the vast majority of Americans but want to give a huge tax benefit to a privileged few.

onenote
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:17 PM
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28. Absolutely
42 Dems got it wrong and one independent and one republican got it right.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:51 PM
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35. spineless 'tards
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:30 PM
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32. Yes.
They've just shat upon working Americans to fete the idle rich.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:30 PM
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45. You bet I am pissed that 42 dems voted for this.
This is a complete "up yours" to the working class while rewarding the privileged few to the tune of 290 billion freaking dollars.

Bastards!!!

:grr:
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:24 PM
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30. By and large I don't feel an estate tax should be in effect
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 05:25 PM by LdyGuique
I do agree that everything that someone has managed to accumulate has already been taxed and taxed and taxed -- UNLESS one is of the 27,000 individuals who have been exempted from all taxation.

Stroke the rich
IRS has become a subsidy system for super-wealthy Americans IRS winks at rich deadbeats

David Cay Johnston

Sunday, April 11, 2004

The federal tax system that millions of Americans are forced to deal with before April 15 is not at all what you think it is. Congress has changed it in recent decades from a progressive system in which the more one earns the more one pays in income taxes. It has become a subsidy system for the super rich.

Through explicit policies, as well as tax laws never reported in the news, Congress now literally takes money from those making $30,000 to $500,000 per year and funnels it in subtle ways to the super rich -- the top 1/100th of 1 percent of Americans.

Continued . . .
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:58 PM
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36. By in large
the bulk of assets subject to estate tax are
generally real estate or capital assets that
have gained increased value over long terms
and NOT subject to any previous tax other than
those fund used for the initial investment.
There are current provision to use "special
valuations of a farm or real property of a
closely held (small) business. The action
taken by the administration and congress is
nothing more than an appeal to the greed of
a small minority of the population through
the use of pure B.S.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:47 AM
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48. Thank you, indypaul, for setting that matter straight.
Sad how well republican propoganda has been accepted.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:59 PM
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37. Can the estate tax be reintroduced...
in the future?

If so, I suggest the hiltons and waltons take advantage of this break now. (hehehehe)

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:00 PM
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38. Walden, that worthless patronizing piece of crap from Oregon
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 06:01 PM by Straight Shooter
He voted yes. I wish these articles would indicate how much money these self-serving Repubs (and Dems) will personally save in taxes not paid, or how much of their supporter base taxes it will save.

These people have my everlasting contempt.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:35 PM
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40. Amerika has been an Oligarchy for many years.
Most of the folk in Congress are millionaires. Most people in high level Govt. position are millionaires. The rich and powerful protect their own.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:11 PM
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41. This is an INCREASE in taxes for everyone else
Has anyone heard of the term "step up in basis"? Basis is the amount of money that was used as capital to purchase an investment. Step up in basis is the IRS loophole that allows a person to pass on their property (usually a house) to their kids, and the basis becomes that which existed at the time of death. So for example, if your dad bought a house for 20,000 and it was worth $200,000 at the time of his death, and he passed it to you, then you would have 180,000 worth of taxable gain, taxed at a capital gain rate if you sold it upon inheriting it. Under the step up in basis, the house's basis is now 200,000, so there would be no taxable gain if you sold it at the time you inherited the house. Most rich people's wealth was never taxed. Like Bill Gates, they have millions (in his case billions) of stock and other investments that have been gaining wealth over the years and were never liquidated and thus never taxed. If Bill Gates' kids inherited his wealth at the time of death, with the step up in basis, they would have 40 billion dollars of stock increases that were never taxed. Under the "repeal" of estate taxes, the step up in basis is eliminated. So effectively the rich a-holes are simply exchanging one "tax" (at the estate tax rate of 50% or so) for another (capital gain tax rate of 15%). But a bunch of new revenue will be generated by all the low-middle-upper middle class kids who inherit their parent's house and now have to pay 15% on the total increase in capital gains the house earned over their parents' lifetimes. Instead of the revenue being generated by the richest .002% of the country, it will be generated by every single kid who inherits the family house.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:56 PM
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44. Didn't Republicans used to believe people should work for a living?
Now we'll have a hereditary class of leeches ...
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:26 AM
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46. kick
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 12:05 PM
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49. the Kings get relief and the serfs keep on toiling for their Masters
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 12:44 PM
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51. I am OUTRAGED.
Where are all these "fiscal conservatives" that were oh-so-vocal during the Clinton years?

I'm going to start calling this the "Paris Hilton Tax" because that's exactly what it is.
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