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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:58 AM
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Libya to put trade embargo on Bulgaria over nurses
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L12235141.htm

TRIPOLI, April 12 (Reuters) - Libya will impose a trade and investment embargo on Bulgaria for what it calls Sofia's failure to take responsibility for the infection of hundreds of Libyan children with HIV, a government official said on Tuesday.

Tripoli blames the infections on five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor, who were convicted last year of deliberately infecting more than 400 children at a hospital in Benghazi.

"Libya will boycott Bulgarian companies and shut the doors of all investment and trade opportunities for Bulgarian companies because the Bulgarian government has ignored demands to take responsibility for the action of its citizens in the HIV case," the official told Reuters.

The official, who did not want to be identified, also cited pressure on authorities from the families of the infected children for Tripoli's move against Sofia. He did not say when the embargo would become effective.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:06 PM
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1. I don't blame Lybia a damn bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eom
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:12 PM
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2. care to ebalorate?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:16 PM
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3. No that Bulgaria will probably care but
"Libya will boycott Bulgarian companies and shut the doors of all investment and trade opportunities for Bulgarian companies because the Bulgarian government has ignored demands to take responsibility for the action of its citizens in the HIV case," the official told Reuters.

If this is true and I suspect it is as I have heard other things on this prior to Libya's call for boycott from a local AIDS clinic, I think it is the right thing to do. I don't think it will help though.

Left of Cool


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:17 PM
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4. The poster seemed pretty concise to me
:shrug:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:20 PM
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5. Would you care to elaborate on your question? The poster's response
seemed pretty straitforward to me.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:28 PM
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6. excuse me but
"I don't blame Lybia a damn bit" ???

You know anytyhing about the case? I think you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't made a comment like that.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:34 PM
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7. Assuming that you read the article re the Bulgarian government's
non-assistance, then how could you blame the Lybian government one bit?
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:44 PM
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9. what assistance are you talking about?
These nurses are scapegoats. They've been tortured to sign documents in arabic.

Tortured in Lybian jail. Abu Ghraib looks like kindergarden...

There are numerous reports from the best AIDS specialists in the world stating this infection began long before these nurses even started working there.

So, before talking about non assistance and blame you might read something about the case.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:37 PM
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8. I have been following this case since it began
These nurses were given a trial to show their innocence and were found guilty of purposely infecting over 400 children in Libya with AIDS. If you aware of something else I don't know about lets hear it.

Don

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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:52 PM
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10. Some of the nurses' testimonies...
The ones they signed in arabic after being tortured...

There they admit infecting the children with AIDS. They also admit they were paid by CIA and Mossad to do so.

How does it sound to you? I see you guys have a great deal of confidence in the Lybian courts but this is insane...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:58 PM
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11. Sounds like you have a lot of confidence in the CIA
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 01:33 PM by NNN0LHI
Did you forget the WMD slam dunk in Iraq already? And the "Winnebago's Of Death"? Or the Scuds? Or Saddam's drone program? I haven't.

Don

On edit: And don't even get me started with Mossad.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:06 PM
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12. Agreeing with Libya's right to boycott...............
does not equal confidence in their courts. This is about 400 infected little children, not about whether or not nurses were told by the CIA to do something. I also know some things about Bulgarian bullshit.

Left of Cool
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:32 PM
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13. I'm skeptical. Why would nurses deliberately infect children?
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:39 PM
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14. I'm with you
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:41 PM by amazona
I was just about to post, "How can this be so?" I feel like all I ever post is, "Well, I'm not so sure that so-and-so is guilty" but for cryin' out loud, I just don't see what motive these health care workers would have for doing such a thing deliberately. If there was sloppiness and re-use of needles that caused the infection, they've already paid a high price for their negligence. Being in a Libyan prison since 1999 cannot have been any picnic.

I would rather see more investigation of re-use of needles in Africa (and elsewhere) than just putting these infections down to a few malicious medics. They may well have been under-supplied and doing the best they could with too little resources. Where medical workers re-use needles, you're going to have AIDS in this time of century. Isn't that what happened in Romania and, I believe, even in France when their health care system got on a cost-cutting kick?

I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around as it is. What a tragedy.

P.S. Having now read the whole thread, I see there is a huge backstory I know nothing about. I never object to being set straight when I am wrong and further information will be appreciated.


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:08 PM
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15. The motive presented at their trial was that it was...
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 07:15 PM by NNN0LHI
...an experiment to find a cure for AIDS.

Don

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