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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:52 AM
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Indonesian maid clinging to life after sponsor's brutal torture (Saudi
Arabia)

Dubai (DPA): An Indonesian maid is fighting for her life after suffering sadistic tortures and rape by her sponsor, the Saudi newspaper Arab News reported Sunday.

Twenty-five-year-old Suniati Binti Nibaran Sujari was in a critical condition in intensive care with burns to more than half of her body and brutal injuries to her genitals, said the paper.

It is the second case of brutal torture of an Indonesian maid reported within the last three weeks in Saudi Arabia. (...)

The Indonesian Embassy in Riyadh is receiving nearly 10 complaints per day from maids, while the Indonesian Consulate in Jeddah has been handling some five to seven complaints a day.

More:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20050410172057&irec=0

Great ally, Saudi Arabia. It's no coincidence, in my opinion, that most of the 9/11 terrorists were products of this sick society.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:56 AM
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1. They (Saudi men) also do that to the Ethopian maids, they rape them
beat them and torture them also. I have an Ethopian friend and she told me some of the stories the girls tell after they come home from Saudi Arabia.

Sounds to me that we need to invade to install a democracy.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:01 AM
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2. But but but
Bushco has many business ties to the Saudis. Remember - America is not about democracy, that's horse shit propaganda. America is about $$$$$- particularly when the Repukes run the show.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:11 AM
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5. I know, just having a little /sarcasm for breakfast n/t
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:20 AM
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8. Can't help it
The hypocrisy of the Bushies makes me wanna puke. I get my blood pressure up just dwelling on it.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:55 AM
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15. I know what you mean. But we need to put our energy to action now.
I like what one guy said on Al Franken's show, we just can't keep saying hypocracy, now we have to do something.

That is the problem with our DEM leadership. What are they doing? Why aren't they screaming?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:45 AM
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11. Ol' Dub overthrowin' cousin Bandar?
That dog won't hunt.

And they Sauds prolly told the Dubster that maid was on her way to an abortion clinic.

Long live "the culture of life."
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:49 AM
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12. I'm sure the Pukes
will understand - after all, there's money to be made in that thar desert. And they can always find a way to blame it on Clinton. Bush supporters are out of touch with reality anyway.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:35 PM
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31. It's that Bush values thing, don't ya know! n/t
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not fooled Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:50 PM
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32. yeah, and I saw a puff piece....
...on the Today show w/Katie Couric over there hangin' out w/Saudis showing us all how kewl their lovely society is. So, I'm not buying that there's anything wrong.

Plus, remember those charming photos of Prince Bandar, stuffed into a pr of jeans (like a sausage into its casing) schmoozing w/chimpy at the Pigfarm? These warm & fuzzy images are all I need to see to know that these fine folks are great friends of 'Murka. :sarcasm:
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:06 AM
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14. Can't do that
the house of saud and the house of bush belong to all the same clubs don't you know.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:05 AM
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3. Over the past few months I have been posting about the tortures, rapes and
cruel treatment of helpless young women brought in from other Asian countries ( India, Bangladesh, Phillippines,Sri Lanka,Indonesia, and Thailand) to serve as domestic servants in households in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,the Emirates and other countries of the Arab world.This mistreatment has been going on for nearly three or more decades without anyone even making an attempt to raise this issue in international forums.

In the mid eighties, when I was on a busines trip to Bombay, India, I learnt in the local Times of India, that a Saudi official threw a prostitute from the twentieth floor of his hotel suite on to the street below and simply walked out of the country a free man.

While we should be rightfully concerned about Abu Ghraib and other tortures of prisoners, I think it is far more important to address the mistreatment of innocent young women at the hands of Arab/Muslim perpetrators.We cannot remain silent about this issue any longer.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:13 AM
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6. I agree it's important
to address it, but it's ultimately something they themselves must address.

Little change can happen from the outside world. Their society must address this problem and get itself to the 21st century.

But I disagree with the almost dismissive tone you have about Abu Ghraib. We, as a supposedly enlightenened developed nation must not put ourselves on the same moral plane as them. Once we are guilty of purpotrating similar crimes such as torture, we have much more difficulty in bringing any serious attention to the crimes that take place there.

Though, I'd say the mindset of our current administration (and those fundamentalists that have a stranglehold on it) have an ideaology and worldview very similar to their Islamic fundamentalist bretheren.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:49 PM
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28. All countries should post travel warnings to their women,
warning them that this is common behavior in Saudi Arabia, and making it clear that for this reason, women may be in danger in Saudi Arabia.

There was a recent article about a Saudi princess in Connecticut(?) who physically abused her servants there, even though it is a violation of American law.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:50 PM
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17. check the state department pages
esp those dealing with American women married to Saudis and the laws. Damn worse than medieval. US offers little assistance in re: to recovering your children and there are many other countries also that have children held illegally in SA. And God forbid YOU go there. I had a friend, married to a Saudi, that got talked into going there. She barely made it out with her life. He took her passport (hubby has to give you permission to leave the country)and she was SOL until she found someone willing to get her out.
My Hubby (an India Native) went to SA to work when he was younger and was severly beaten by his 'employer' and was aided by someone to escape. The person aiding him stated that his employer had beaten to death one man to death and that once you were marked, you were as good as dead. Needless to say, he will never set foot in SA ever. We have traveled to the UAE and loved it there, but SA, not on your life.
Much of the world turns a blind eye to this for reasons such as oil trade, etc and the monarcy's power is absolute. They bring shame to those many Moslems that are decent people. But be warned, if you go there, you are on your own.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:56 PM
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22. After these outrages which have been streaming out of the Arab
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 06:57 PM by KlatooBNikto
countries for many years, and the stories of indentured servitude even within our own borders by Arab households, I have decided to withhold my outrage against Abu Ghraib type of tortures until I see some groundswell of Arab support for these poor innocent women.

In some ways the treatment of these helpless women should be considered more morally repugnant because one could conceivably say our soldiers are in a war situation and can be expected to treat the Arabs as enemies.With these women, the Arab households, both men and women,have a moral duty to provide for their safety when they hire them.The governments involved are even more responsible for bringing their perpetrators to justice.

My support for any Abu Ghraib remedies will be suspended until I see these women treated well.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:02 PM
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23. What is it with the hatred of women in Muslim Countries?
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 07:03 PM by smirkymonkey
Misogyny is everywhere, but in muslim countries it seems to be execptionally brutal.

And before anyone flames me for being "culturally insensitve", let me say that I have no tolerance for ANY culture that tolerates this kind of abuse against women.

"When a man is oppressed, it's a tragedy; when a woman is oppressed, it's tradition." - Bernadette Mosala
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:05 AM
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4. After this
and the earlier story about those that were whipped hundreds of times for "acting like they were women", I have to say this country is stuck atleast a few hundred years in the past. It seems medieval in many ways. I don't care how culturally insensitive it may sound, but it certainly seems like a very backwards society.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:17 AM
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7. Those people
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 07:54 AM by libhill
Almost make Hitler look like a Boy Scout.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:29 AM
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9. Let's indulge in some "cultural insensitivity" - They ARE backwards! nt
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:39 AM
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10. Backwards
Would indicate that they are making progress. They aren't.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:39 AM
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13. One of our best writers, V.S. Naipaul, has alluded to this propensity for
violence toward women, in general, and those who are helpless, in particular, in his classic work, Among the Believers--An Islamic Journey.He states that Islam is a misogynistic religion and what looks like cruel and barbaric treatment of women is treated as something necessary to establish the primacy of the males in those societies. He also correctly predicted, in 1981, any attempt to bring Western mores into these societies would result in violent acts against Westerners.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:53 PM
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19. But aren't the Indonesian maids Muslim as well?
Are all Islamic countries identical?

Besides--when has the US attempted to bring Western mores to Saudi Arabia? These abuses against servants have been known for a long time & I've yet to hear the US government make a sound.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:10 PM
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21. Yes, but Indonesian Muslims are much more laid-back
than Arab Muslims. Most women go around unveiled, for example, and there's a lot of Hindu and Buddhist influence in the culture.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:57 PM
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30. When we traveled
to Dubai, I saw many Indonesian Muslims....their dress was so colourful, like pale Easter eggs. It was in stark contrast to the others in their dark chadors. We can't paint all Muslims with the same brush. Trust me, some of these characters are analgous to our Christian fundamentalists. And in reguards to Abu Graib, it was an insult to humanity, not just Muslims. The fundamentalists on both sides want to keep the pot stirred in order to keep and retain power. The sooner everyone figures it out, the better off we will all be.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:50 AM
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16. And to think we consider these thugs an ally...
Wonder if Bush will say something about these horrific incidents when the Saudi Royal Thug visits him at the pig farm? The thought of any of these bastards stepping foot in our country makes me want to :puke:
Isn't there an old saying about "show me your friends and I'll see you" or something to that effect?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:57 PM
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18. The Bushes and Saudi Royal family have been friends for decades
from what I understand. I've been wondering how often gw bush spent
summers visiting them while he was growing up.
It would help explain some of his sociopathic tendencies.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:09 PM
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20. If you treat woman badly your Society is going to go downhill
its a fact...

Saudia Arabia is going down hill!!!

Its the center of the Muslim world and it reflects TOTAL CORRUPTION!!!

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:05 PM
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24. When the oil runs out, they're toast.
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:16 PM
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26. Saudi Arabia / UAE / Kuwait are racist too
they treat people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh (many of them muslims) like second class citizens. Western (American, European) citizens are treated better.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:42 AM
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33. I live in the UAE, and this is unfortunately very true
I find it very frustrating. The Arabs and the British are so into the class thing I could hardly believe it when I first got here. Since my husband and I believe in equality so strongly, we are enjoying flaunting it. We have Pakistani friends we go out with all the time, and people certainly stare. I've had several gorgeous shalwar kemise made, and I wear them.

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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:53 PM
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29. When the oil runs out......
we're all toast!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:09 PM
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25. IIRC, the Saudis are going to visit bush* at the pig farm....
...this week. I wonder if they are bringing any slave girls with them so little georgie* can get in on the fun?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:21 PM
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27. kick
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:37 AM
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34. You're link doesn't work for me, but it's all over google.
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:12 AM
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35. Thank you. The Jakarta Post doesn't use permanent URLs for news stories,
so the links get outdated after some time.
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